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2014-07-24 11:32:45 AM  
Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk has announced his resignation following turmoil in government.

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2014-07-24 12:57:33 PM  
About a year ago we were planning a trip and were going to go to visit Kiev. We ended up getting better ticket prices to Ireland, so we skipped that. Hotwire remembers that I wanted to go to Kiev so for the last year, the emails offering hotel deals have gotten increasingly cheaper. I think the last one was something like $9 a night at a 3 star.

/Curious how many molotov cocktails that includes.
 
2014-07-24 01:07:25 PM  
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RIP Ukraine
 
2014-07-24 01:31:09 PM  
Soooo...can we blame this on Putin, too?
 
2014-07-24 01:52:58 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Soooo...can we blame this on Putin, too?


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I'm kind of spreading the blame out  out these days
 
2014-07-24 01:58:49 PM  

SecretAgentWoman: Soooo...can we blame this on Putin, too?


No. Well, yeah, if not for the war, they would not be in such a desperate situation, obviously. But other than that, the Parliament also have failed to produce any sort of meaningful reform, especially an unpopular one.

Add to that the fact that Svoboda are the real, bona fide fascists/nazi: they don't believe in the freedom of, say, press, and are perfectly happy to establish tight censorship and physically force journalists to follow "proper behavior". They also have a platform of "nonviolent ethnic cleansings", whatever that shiat is. Plus, they are simply, plainly, mostly stupid people. Nothing good will ever come out of that party.

UDAR is a lot more normal, with reasonably mild platform, but unfortunately its leader, Klitschko, is not a particularly clever person. He can ever only be someone's marionette, and I'm a bit wary about who's the puppeteer.

Yatsenyuk is the most normal, intelligent or knowledgeable of them all, but he failed.
 
2014-07-24 02:02:39 PM  
After reading the article, I can only assume that the subby has no idea how a parliamentarian system of government works. . . This is basically a call for a new round of elections for parliament.  As far as I know, the Ukraine has not had an election parliamentarian election since the overthrow of the last president.  Only a presidential one.
 
2014-07-24 02:08:04 PM  

Kaeishiwaza: After reading the article, I can only assume that the subby has no idea how a parliamentarian system of government works. . . This is basically a call for a new round of elections for parliament.  As far as I know, the Ukraine has not had an election parliamentarian election since the overthrow of the last president.  Only a presidential one.


Oh, yeah, the dissolution of coalitions means that the parliament will have to be newly elected. Which is a _good_ thing.

Kaeishiwaza: As far as I know, the Ukraine has not had an election parliamentarian election since the overthrow of the last president.


Yep, and the people in the parliament are the same bunch of thieves, morons and oligarchs who robbed Ukraine for the last 20 years. They want to move towards Europe, yes, but it doesn't mean that they are able to change their corrupt ways. Yatsenyuk was very clear about it when he offered his resignation.

The problem, of course, that there aren't really many new faces in Ukraine's politics. Same people probably would be re-elected, since they are either representing moneyed interests or are moneyed interests themselves. Which is not exactly a good thing.

Still, if even 20% of the most corrupt, stupid and greedy will be removed, it's still a move forward. I am, however, afraid of possible increasing influence of Svoboda. It's my firm believe that this party is a poison, that can destroy Ukraine from inside.
 
2014-07-24 02:42:00 PM  

echomike23: SecretAgentWoman: Soooo...can we blame this on Putin, too?

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I'm kind of spreading the blame out  out these days


Plenty to go around

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2014-07-24 02:47:20 PM  

Kaeishiwaza: After reading the article, I can only assume that the subby has no idea how a parliamentarian system of government works. . . This is basically a call for a new round of elections for parliament.  As far as I know, the Ukraine has not had an election parliamentarian election since the overthrow of the last president.  Only a presidential one.


Yeah the whole acticle is about how this is a deliberate move to reflect the new electorate - this guy is pro-ties with Europe and I can only imagine that is how the elections will go.  This is anything but desperate
 
2014-07-24 02:47:30 PM  
The way I read this is that his resignation and the 2 parties pulling out of the coalition are being done to push for elections.  Current Parliament is what it was under Yanukovych and everyone knew that Parliamentary elections were coming, this is a way of forcing them early because with the coalitions broken, Parliament won't be able to do anything (wonder if anyone would notice).  I just can't see how they'll hold another round of elections under the current conditions.  The stuff I'm hearing from friends and family there is absolutely nuts.  (recalling military service for males up to 60 years old is just the start)
 
2014-07-24 02:52:42 PM  

Kaeishiwaza: After reading the article, I can only assume that the subby has no idea how a parliamentarian system of government works. . . This is basically a call for a new round of elections for parliament.  As far as I know, the Ukraine has not had an election parliamentarian election since the overthrow of the last president.  Only a presidential one.


This...

Subby is an idiot.
 
2014-07-24 02:59:17 PM  
Poroshenko's calls for political renewal suggests the resignation and new elections are the result of planning and political maneuvering, not chaos.

Yup.

Kaeishiwaza: After reading the article, I can only assume that the subby has no idea how a parliamentarian system of government works. . . This is basically a call for a new round of elections for parliament.  As far as I know, the Ukraine has not had an election parliamentarian election since the overthrow of the last president.  Only a presidential one.


Yup.
 
2014-07-24 03:42:31 PM  

danzak: The stuff I'm hearing from friends and family there is absolutely nuts.  (recalling military service for males up to 60 years old is just the start)


Hey, it's not as if it's obligatory! Military service is strictly for volunteers, if you refuse or just don't go to recruitment office nobody is going to look for you or to punish you.

People just don't want to fight, especially young people. "Military service for males up to 60 years old" simply means that older guys, who would want to volunteer, especially for all kind of garrison duty, now can.

Considering that vast majority of separatists are 40 or older (young people don't want to fight, as I've said already), it's kind of a war of old men. :)

Not that 40 is old. Not that there is anything wrong with being mature anyway...
 
2014-07-24 05:34:56 PM  

Grahor: SecretAgentWoman: Soooo...can we blame this on Putin, too?

No. Well, yeah, if not for the war, they would not be in such a desperate situation, obviously. But other than that, the Parliament also have failed to produce any sort of meaningful reform, especially an unpopular one.

Add to that the fact that Svoboda are the real, bona fide fascists/nazi: they don't believe in the freedom of, say, press, and are perfectly happy to establish tight censorship and physically force journalists to follow "proper behavior". They also have a platform of "nonviolent ethnic cleansings", whatever that shiat is. Plus, they are simply, plainly, mostly stupid people. Nothing good will ever come out of that party.

UDAR is a lot more normal, with reasonably mild platform, but unfortunately its leader, Klitschko, is not a particularly clever person. He can ever only be someone's marionette, and I'm a bit wary about who's the puppeteer.

Yatsenyuk is the most normal, intelligent or knowledgeable of them all, but he failed.


Oh, to me it seems pretty clear cut, that a reelection will mean that the pro-Russian parliament members will lose their seats (seeing as eastern-Ukraine won't be participating in the election, unless something changes). So this is a calculated move to remove them from influence.

But yeah, Svoboda are farking for real nazis.

Try googling McCain + Svoboda. That toolhead actually travelled to Ukraine and met up with the Nazis. :P
 
2014-07-24 05:36:44 PM  

robv83: Kaeishiwaza: After reading the article, I can only assume that the subby has no idea how a parliamentarian system of government works. . . This is basically a call for a new round of elections for parliament.  As far as I know, the Ukraine has not had an election parliamentarian election since the overthrow of the last president.  Only a presidential one.

This...

Subby is an idiot.


Indeed. What they're doing is effectively removing the pro-russians from the parliament.

A calculated move. That probably won't bring the parties closer together however.
 
2014-07-24 07:58:02 PM  

Grahor: danzak: The stuff I'm hearing from friends and family there is absolutely nuts.  (recalling military service for males up to 60 years old is just the start)

Hey, it's not as if it's obligatory! Military service is strictly for volunteers, if you refuse or just don't go to recruitment office nobody is going to look for you or to punish you.

People just don't want to fight, especially young people. "Military service for males up to 60 years old" simply means that older guys, who would want to volunteer, especially for all kind of garrison duty, now can.

Considering that vast majority of separatists are 40 or older (young people don't want to fight, as I've said already), it's kind of a war of old men. :)

Not that 40 is old. Not that there is anything wrong with being mature anyway...


Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but they are reportedly being almost drafted. I've heard from friends that recruiters show up at your house if you've been "picked", given 30 minutes to get your stuff together and away you go. This may be for guys that have already served, like a recall instead of a draft, but many are going against their will. And they're threatened as deserters if they refuse. And the age is up to 60 now.
 
2014-07-24 10:34:25 PM  

stpauler: About a year ago we were planning a trip and were going to go to visit Kiev. We ended up getting better ticket prices to Ireland, so we skipped that. Hotwire remembers that I wanted to go to Kiev so for the last year, the emails offering hotel deals have gotten increasingly cheaper. I think the last one was something like $9 a night at a 3 star.

/Curious how many molotov cocktails that includes.


I'm no expert but I think the fighting is away from Kiev. You might want to take them up on that.
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2014-07-25 06:07:46 AM  
 
2014-07-25 10:23:51 AM  

danzak: Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but they are reportedly being almost drafted. I've heard from friends that recruiters show up at your house if you've been "picked", given 30 minutes to get your stuff together and away you go. This may be for guys that have already served, like a recall instead of a draft, but many are going against their will. And they're threatened as deserters if they refuse. And the age is up to 60 now.


There is a number of different "drafts" in Ukraine, apparently. "Obligatory" service is mostly for former military, especially officers. Those are drafted if they want it or not, although older people/officers are not used for actual fighting. Everyone else (those who are not "in reserve") can refuse/easily evade the draft.

At least that's what I've got from my own friends in Ukraine. They all are of military age (28-38), but aren't worried that they will be drafted.
 
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