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2014-07-24 02:00:25 PM  
Lightning in a bottle says what?
 
2014-07-24 02:21:10 PM  
And for that matter, shouldn't anyone who truly had the message of that book(movie)resonate with them have turned off the various electronic devices and stepped back into the communities around them face-to-face like? Worked to get themselves out of debt? Stop being selfish and give yourself to those around you?
 
2014-07-24 02:34:08 PM  
Palahniuk says readers will have an idea of Tyler's [played by Brad Pitt in the film] true origins. "Tyler is something that maybe has been around for centuries and is not just this aberration that's popped into his mind."

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2014-07-24 03:19:03 PM  
So he is giving Fight Club a Dexter(the books, not the show) treatment? Those books were awful and just got worse when that storyline got injected in there
 
2014-07-24 03:19:15 PM  
And let me be the first to say that Fight Club 2 'never happened'. Much like most other horrific sequels.
 
2014-07-24 03:19:33 PM  
 
2014-07-24 03:37:53 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: So he is giving Fight Club a Dexter(the books, not the show) treatment? Those books were awful and just got worse when that storyline got injected in there


What the hell? Did the author go crazy himself? That's terrible. How did the editor let that go through?
 
2014-07-24 03:40:21 PM  

Shostie: Palahniuk says readers will have an idea of Tyler's [played by Brad Pitt in the film] true origins. "Tyler is something that maybe has been around for centuries and is not just this aberration that's popped into his mind."

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Yeah, this. Seriously farking this.

I guess he's just having trouble coming up with new ideas, and so he's desperately trying to mine a popular old property.


Nadie_AZ: And let me be the first to say that Fight Club 2 'never happened'. Much like most other horrific sequels.


And also that.

I agree with you, and will pretend this is just as non-existent as the Highlander sequel that never happened. It's kind of new to be doing that before a thing isn't released, but I think it's more than justified in this case. Starting...............

NOW!
 
2014-07-24 03:46:00 PM  

Decillion: What the hell? Did the author go crazy himself? That's terrible. How did the editor let that go through?


Jeff Lindsey was never a good author, or particularly sane he just got lucky as hell that a showrunner with some clout saw potential in the character and ran with it. The editor okayed it because it was a brand that was printing money and it was technically new content.
 
2014-07-24 04:03:44 PM  
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This is horrible, this idea.
 
2014-07-24 04:14:33 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: And for that matter, shouldn't anyone who truly had the message of that book(movie)resonate with them have turned off the various electronic devices and stepped back into the communities around them face-to-face like? Worked to get themselves out of debt? Stop being selfish and give yourself to those around you?


I'll admit I've only seen the movie, but isn't the point that both perspectives are completely farked?  The narrator is a lifeless, soul drained consumer at the beginning. He embraces the ideas of Tyler, and becomes an anarchist psychopath when he swings too far the other way.

The movie gives no lip service to an optimal route or a way you should be.  Only that the narrator went from one extreme to the other, and both were destructive.
 
2014-07-24 04:17:19 PM  
Fight Club 3 is about an author named 'Chuck Palahniuk' whose need for more cash money has been maybe implanted in his head by a force much older than time itself.  Wooo-oooooo!  Scary.
 
2014-07-24 04:19:56 PM  

Shostie: Palahniuk says readers will have an idea of Tyler's [played by Brad Pitt in the film] true origins. "Tyler is something that maybe has been around for centuries and is not just this aberration that's popped into his mind."


So Palaniuk has either gone full Stephen King, or full George Lucas.
 
2014-07-24 04:22:55 PM  

Khellendros: Only that the narrator went from one extreme to the other, and both were destructive.


Entropy demands that a moderate position will eventually be achieved and peace will be known.
 
2014-07-24 04:31:39 PM  

Shostie: Palahniuk says readers will have an idea of Tyler's [played by Brad Pitt in the film] true origins. "Tyler is something that maybe has been around for centuries and is not just this aberration that's popped into his mind."

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Maybe I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here, but this story will allegedly be told from Tyler's voice, waiting dormant inside the oblivious narrator. Maybe "something that has been around for centuries" is more about Tyler's idea of himself (or the narrator's idea of Tyler's idea of himself).

Or... maybe he's a Chaos Demon.
 
2014-07-24 04:40:04 PM  

Khellendros: InterruptingQuirk: And for that matter, shouldn't anyone who truly had the message of that book(movie)resonate with them have turned off the various electronic devices and stepped back into the communities around them face-to-face like? Worked to get themselves out of debt? Stop being selfish and give yourself to those around you?

I'll admit I've only seen the movie, but isn't the point that both perspectives are completely farked?  The narrator is a lifeless, soul drained consumer at the beginning. He embraces the ideas of Tyler, and becomes an anarchist psychopath when he swings too far the other way.

The movie gives no lip service to an optimal route or a way you should be.  Only that the narrator went from one extreme to the other, and both were destructive.


That's a fair interpretation - at the end of the movie he embraces being both. However, the movie is so punk in tone that it would also be fair to say that there really isn't an overall message.

The book is pretty different. Chuck started the whole thing by writing the rules for Fight Club, and expanded the rest of the book both ways from there. His original idea was that there were all these books with social mechanisms for women: Ya-Ya Sisterhood, Traveling Pants, whatever, but men didn't have anything like that. So he envisioned a place where you can walk up to a guy and ask for a fight they way you might ask a woman for a dance. It was about men being men and reclaiming masculinity in the face of modern day submissive consumer behavior.
 
2014-07-24 04:44:37 PM  

Orgasmatron138: The book is pretty different. Chuck started the whole thing by writing the rules for Fight Club, and expanded the rest of the book both ways from there. His original idea was that there were all these books with social mechanisms for women: Ya-Ya Sisterhood, Traveling Pants, whatever, but men didn't have anything like that. So he envisioned a place where you can walk up to a guy and ask for a fight they way you might ask a woman for a dance. It was about men being men and reclaiming masculinity in the face of modern day submissive consumer behavior.


It was also a book written by an inexperienced writer who had not yet found his voice and how to convey his thoughts as clearly as he would in later books, so some of this was a bit muddled in the execution.
 
2014-07-24 04:53:23 PM  

flux: Shostie: Palahniuk says readers will have an idea of Tyler's [played by Brad Pitt in the film] true origins. "Tyler is something that maybe has been around for centuries and is not just this aberration that's popped into his mind."

[i.imgur.com image 245x200]

Maybe I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt here, but this story will allegedly be told from Tyler's voice, waiting dormant inside the oblivious narrator. Maybe "something that has been around for centuries" is more about Tyler's idea of himself (or the narrator's idea of Tyler's idea of himself).

Or... maybe he's a Chaos Demon.


Maybe he's just a stuffed tiger that has been passed down through the Narrator's family.
 
2014-07-24 04:54:19 PM  
Palahniuk injects mysticism/magic in several of his books. This is nothing new and he will probably pull it off pretty well. Outragers gonna outrage, I guess.

Disclaimer: I have only read Survivor, Lullaby, Diary, and Rant.
 
2014-07-24 05:21:31 PM  
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Haunted was a book that farked with my brain more than any form of media ever.  There were multiple times I slammed the book shut and was just filled with rage at it.  A book.  I hesitate to recommend it to anyone because it's so farked and it will stab you in the brain more than a few times but I have a ton of respect for him as a writer and observer of human behavior because of it.
 
2014-07-24 05:43:31 PM  

elguerodiablo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 400x585]

Haunted was a book that farked with my brain more than any form of media ever.  There were multiple times I slammed the book shut and was just filled with rage at it.  A book.  I hesitate to recommend it to anyone because it's so farked and it will stab you in the brain more than a few times but I have a ton of respect for him as a writer and observer of human behavior because of it.


Haunted is one of my favorite books by him, and one I often recommend, pretty much for that reason. It's brutally vivid and farked up at points. It sticks with you for a while afterward. Rant, while not nearly as messed up, is another one that it seems most people didn't care for that I really enjoyed.
Not sure where I sit on the Fight Club 2 thing, but here's hoping it's not some forced cash in.

/Lullaby, Survivor, and Invisible Monsters are also quite good IMO
//yay overly long slashie.
 
2014-07-24 06:06:14 PM  
Damned is the only book of his that I've read, and I was kind of disappointed. It wasn't terrible, but I just didn't feel it lived up to its potential.

Would you guys say Haunted is better? Also, what about FC? Any other of his books you guys recommend?
 
2014-07-24 06:17:37 PM  

iron_city_ap: Damned is the only book of his that I've read, and I was kind of disappointed. It wasn't terrible, but I just didn't feel it lived up to its potential.

Would you guys say Haunted is better? Also, what about FC? Any other of his books you guys recommend?


I really liked Haunted and Fight Club which is an opinion many share.  I also loved Invisible Monsters, but don't think I'm in the majority on that one.
 
2014-07-24 06:42:54 PM  
"Maxi-series"? fark you, article.

Just call it a graphic novel series. fark's sake.
 
2014-07-24 06:46:05 PM  

John Nash: iron_city_ap: Damned is the only book of his that I've read, and I was kind of disappointed. It wasn't terrible, but I just didn't feel it lived up to its potential.

Would you guys say Haunted is better? Also, what about FC? Any other of his books you guys recommend?

I really liked Haunted and Fight Club which is an opinion many share.  I also loved Invisible Monsters, but don't think I'm in the majority on that one.


Thanks
 
2014-07-24 06:46:09 PM  

iron_city_ap: Damned is the only book of his that I've read, and I was kind of disappointed. It wasn't terrible, but I just didn't feel it lived up to its potential.

Would you guys say Haunted is better? Also, what about FC? Any other of his books you guys recommend?


I've read a good half dozen of his (Lullaby, Choke, FC, Damned, Diary, and probably a couple others), and my general impression is that he has a good style and comes up with interesting ideas, but loses steam about halfway through each one, and the narratives tend to fizzle out right when things need to start coming together. They make for great half-books, and if you never get around to finishing them, that's usually ok.

That being said, I thought FC was probably the most "complete" book, although the ending on that one kind of wimps out, too. Even Palahniuk says he liked the movie's ending better.
 
2014-07-24 06:52:24 PM  

Uzzah: iron_city_ap: Damned is the only book of his that I've read, and I was kind of disappointed. It wasn't terrible, but I just didn't feel it lived up to its potential.

Would you guys say Haunted is better? Also, what about FC? Any other of his books you guys recommend?

I've read a good half dozen of his (Lullaby, Choke, FC, Damned, Diary, and probably a couple others), and my general impression is that he has a good style and comes up with interesting ideas, but loses steam about halfway through each one, and the narratives tend to fizzle out right when things need to start coming together. They make for great half-books, and if you never get around to finishing them, that's usually ok.

That being said, I thought FC was probably the most "complete" book, although the ending on that one kind of wimps out, too. Even Palahniuk says he liked the movie's ending better.


That really summarizes how I feel damned panned out.
 
2014-07-24 06:58:57 PM  
I thought Damned was allright but I liked it more after Doomed. It started to get pretty funny. Very disgusting and odd also but pretty damned funny
 
2014-07-24 08:18:02 PM  

mongbiohazard: Yeah, this. Seriously farking this.I guess he's just having trouble coming up with new ideas, and so he's desperately trying to mine a popular old property.


Yeah, he is writing a comic book. He could make hundreds, possibly tens of hundreds of dollars from this.
 
2014-07-24 08:25:25 PM  
I agree that Fight Club should be left the way it is. As I'm not a graphics fan, I won't read Part II anyway ... but would probably watch a film based on the expanded idea. With that said, does anyone else have to be in a 'mood' to enjoy CP's work? I loved FC, Choke, Diary, and, somewhat, Lullaby. Looking back -- especially with Choke -- why I liked them so much. His dark sense of humor is just what I need some times and other times I'm a little ashamed I liked it so much. I really did like Choke. Not the movie though. It was crap.
 
2014-07-24 08:26:31 PM  

Orgasmatron138: The book is pretty different. Chuck started the whole thing by writing the rules for Fight Club, and expanded the rest of the book both ways from there. His original idea was that there were all these books with social mechanisms for women: Ya-Ya Sisterhood, Traveling Pants, whatever, but men didn't have anything like that. So he envisioned a place where you can walk up to a guy and ask for a fight they way you might ask a woman for a dance. It was about men being men and reclaiming masculinity in the face of modern day submissive consumer behavior.


I don't know Palahniuk's motivations for Fight Club, but I had always read it as an indictment of that hyper-masculinist bullshiat, not just a what-if. Hmm.
 
2014-07-24 09:29:50 PM  

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: Decillion: What the hell? Did the author go crazy himself? That's terrible. How did the editor let that go through?

Jeff Lindsey was never a good author, or particularly sane he just got lucky as hell that a showrunner with some clout saw potential in the character and ran with it. The editor okayed it because it was a brand that was printing money and it was technically new content.


The first couple books were good, but after the 'ancient evil' bullsh't, he never recovered, agreed.

The last one I read was 300 pages of Dexter acting like an idiot and missing obvious cues in his environment because he was f*cking an actress. Then 20 pages of story that ends on a (sh'tty, forced) cliffhanger. Lindsey's 'Misery'? Too soon to tell...
 
2014-07-24 09:31:47 PM  

elguerodiablo: Haunted was a book that farked with my brain more than any form of media ever.  There were multiple times I slammed the book shut and was just filled with rage at it.  A book.  I hesitate to recommend it to anyone because it's so farked and it will stab you in the brain more than a few times but I have a ton of respect for him as a writer and observer of human behavior because of it.


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2014-07-24 09:43:25 PM  

iron_city_ap: Damned is the only book of his that I've read, and I was kind of disappointed. It wasn't terrible, but I just didn't feel it lived up to its potential.

Would you guys say Haunted is better? Also, what about FC? Any other of his books you guys recommend?


My faves were Snuff, Survivor, Invisible Monsters and Haunted. About Haunted: some of the stories were kinda dull but the ones that weren't will burn a damn hole in your brain.

Guts
Hot Springs
 
2014-07-24 10:43:23 PM  
Loved Fight Club (book and movie), really loved Survivor and would like to see it in a movie.

Fight Club needs left alone Chuck.
 
2014-07-24 10:45:54 PM  
This isn't some other writer or film maker adding to the story. It's the guy who made these characters. Sorry haters...it's gonna be canon.
 
2014-07-24 10:47:39 PM  

stuhayes2010: Loved Fight Club (book and movie), really loved Survivor and would like to see it in a movie.

Fight Club needs left alone Chuck.


Disagree on Fight Club. Could be interesting.

Agree wholeheartedly with regards to a Survivor film. That would be amazing. And Fincher would be perfect for it.
 
2014-07-24 10:50:09 PM  

elguerodiablo: Haunted was a book that farked with my brain more than any form of media ever.  There were multiple times I slammed the book shut and was just filled with rage at it.  A book.  I hesitate to recommend it to anyone because it's so farked and it will stab you in the brain more than a few times but I have a ton of respect for him as a writer and observer of human behavior because of it.


Do you like calamari?
 
2014-07-24 11:24:17 PM  
Jesus farking Christ.  The guy who rants about commercialism and sell out culture is gonna cash in.  I expected better of you.

Fight Club is Epic! Choke is a phenomenal book.  Lullaby is ok.

Everything since I've not enjoyed.  Not sure if it's because it just seems intended to shock or what but from my view everything since is crap.
 
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2014-07-25 10:10:04 AM  

John Nash: I also loved Invisible Monsters, but don't think I'm in the majority on that one.


I really liked Invisible Monsters, too.  The only one that I really did not care alot for is the one about the porn stars (I cannot for the life of me remember it's name).  For some reason, that book just got on my nerves.  I have wanted to read Haunted for awhile but have never gotten around to it yet.
 
2014-07-25 10:11:43 AM  

doomjesse: The guy who rants about commercialism and sell out culture is gonna cash in.


I used to feel this way about Kevin Smith.  I got increasingly annoyed with his movies after "Clerks", since the message was something like "oh, get over yourself, you're not that important".  And then proceeded to make several more movies about those kind of people as if they weren't as insignificant as his breakthrough work suggested.

Then I was all like: it's fiction.  You're allowed to write against your own type if you really want to.  It's kind of unfair to say you can't write that simply because you have a previous work that contradicts it unless you claim you're writing something "true", and even then, if it's about your personal feelings, even if they're regressive, should show some change, or else all writers are never allowed to write anything new again.

That said, I still don't like Kevin Smith after "Clerks", and there's a difference between writing against type and retconning yourself.  I suspect the latter is at play with Palahniuk, and while I got tired of him after reading a few of his books, this sort of thing still disappoints me.
 
2014-07-25 11:41:13 AM  

obamadidcoke: Mediocre writer with one good idea now going back to the well. I'm not surprised.


Huh? The guy has written several very successful and highly regarded novels. The fact that you only know of the one from which a film was made is telling.
 
2014-07-25 01:22:54 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Lightning in a bottle says what?


Be interesting to see how a Fight Club sequel plays out in this economy & society.

As somebody on here pointed out years ago, Fight Club, The Matrix, Office Space & American Beauty came out in 1999 and all featured guys complaining about jobs they'd kill to have today.
 
2014-07-25 01:41:02 PM  

doomjesse: Jesus farking Christ.  The guy who rants about commercialism and sell out culture is gonna cash in.  I expected better of you.

Fight Club is Epic! Choke is a phenomenal book.  Lullaby is ok.

Everything since I've not enjoyed.  Not sure if it's because it just seems intended to shock or what but from my view everything since is crap.


This is how I've felt. Though, I'm not sure if it was Lullaby or Rant that I couldn't make it past the Sex Tornado (not because I was offended at all, but because in my mind I was like "We went from Fight Club and Choke, to this infantile shiat that doesn't seem to have any purpose other than to be 'gross for edgy-ness'?").
 
2014-07-25 02:03:18 PM  

Uptown Hipster Doofus: they'd kill to have today.


What is an expense account?
 
2014-07-25 03:26:53 PM  

Uptown Hipster Doofus: As somebody on here pointed out years ago, Fight Club, The Matrix, Office Space & American Beauty came out in 1999 and all featured guys complaining about jobs they'd kill to have today.


Yes and no.  Neo (Mr. Anderson) could have had a lucrative job working for any DoD based cyber contractor, and make a TON of money, even today.  They are in such high demand, and there simply aren't enough of them.  He was ambitious and had options, just not desire chase any of them.  Paranoia, insecurity, and his desire to alienate himself were destroying his life.  But it's a movie, so they made those feelings justified and turned him into a hero.

The others were mediocre employees with no ambition working the jobs they earned in their 20s.  Sure, they were beaten down quite a bit, but they never tried to better their situation.  They got to a certain point and just stopped.  Some time passed (before the movie began) and then they panicked when they realized life was passing them by and they had wasted their time.
 
2014-07-25 03:51:44 PM  

elguerodiablo: [upload.wikimedia.org image 400x585]

Haunted was a book that farked with my brain more than any form of media ever.  There were multiple times I slammed the book shut and was just filled with rage at it.  A book.  I hesitate to recommend it to anyone because it's so farked and it will stab you in the brain more than a few times but I have a ton of respect for him as a writer and observer of human behavior because of it.


Especially reading it at night, getting freaked out, shutting off the light only to realize then that that horrible face on the cover is glow in the dark.
 
2014-07-25 04:36:23 PM  

Khellendros: Uptown Hipster Doofus: As somebody on here pointed out years ago, Fight Club, The Matrix, Office Space & American Beauty came out in 1999 and all featured guys complaining about jobs they'd kill to have today.

Yes and no.  Neo (Mr. Anderson) could have had a lucrative job working for any DoD based cyber contractor, and make a TON of money, even today.  They are in such high demand, and there simply aren't enough of them.  He was ambitious and had options, just not desire chase any of them.  Paranoia, insecurity, and his desire to alienate himself were destroying his life.  But it's a movie, so they made those feelings justified and turned him into a hero.

The others were mediocre employees with no ambition working the jobs they earned in their 20s.  Sure, they were beaten down quite a bit, but they never tried to better their situation.  They got to a certain point and just stopped.  Some time passed (before the movie began)

and then they panicked when they realized life was passing them by and they had wasted their time.


When did this happen?
 
2014-07-25 08:00:56 PM  

One of them Tuckjobs: When did this happen?


With the exception of The Matrix, that's the central plot of the rest of the movies - they reach a point, snap, and freak out while overhauling their lives.
 
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