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(Think Progress)   While the 1% are going broke paying for ObamaCare's death panels, the layabout masses have saved $2 billion in premiums. Thanks, Obama?   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 87
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2014-07-24 12:09:30 PM
That's 2 billion dollars that did not go to the insurance companies. The insurance companies would have used that money to make our economy better, but no. Now that money is just sitting in the hands of the insurance buyers, doing nothing. Thanks, Obama, for destroying our economy.
 
2014-07-24 12:15:13 PM
I was told it would cost $2 billion
 
2014-07-24 12:20:48 PM
This headline. It is yes.

Thank you, Subby. You might have just made my summer.
 
2014-07-24 02:24:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I was told it would cost $2 billion


It was actual more like 2 potato.
 
2014-07-24 02:51:31 PM
In headlines from tomorrow, deductibles cost $4 billion more.
 
2014-07-24 02:56:18 PM

SauronWasFramed: In headlines from tomorrow, deductibles cost $4 billion more.


After accounting for the fact that approximately ten million previously uninsured Americans now have insurance, that would suggest that the average deductible per beneficiary has declined by about $500.
 
2014-07-24 02:57:00 PM
...while prescription and office visit co-pays have doubled. You pretty much break even at best.
 
2014-07-24 03:03:29 PM

SauronWasFramed: In headlines from tomorrow, deductibles cost $4 billion more.


Reducing deductibles or premiums on average was never a goal of Obamacare.  The goal was to make insurance more affordable/available to more Americans and ensure various consumer protections and that is exactly what it is doing.
 
2014-07-24 03:12:00 PM
And how many jobs aren't being created thanks to taking that money away from the job creators?
 
2014-07-24 03:14:31 PM
Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?


Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.
 
2014-07-24 03:15:54 PM

nmrsnr: And how many jobs aren't being created thanks to taking that money away from the job creators?


Obamacare is a failure.  It was supposed to kill jobs, create death panels and send doctors running to the hills.  Obama betrayed the GOP yet again.
 
2014-07-24 03:20:31 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?


Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.


Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.
 
2014-07-24 03:23:44 PM

Serious Black: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?


Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.

Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.


and that is why it is some how a bad idea to raise the Federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.
 
2014-07-24 03:28:23 PM

Serious Black: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?


Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.

Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.


I have yet to see good math come from anyone opposed to the ACA, why not just go nuts?
 
2014-07-24 03:31:12 PM
Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.

Never mind, he's on a roll.

mrshowrules: nmrsnr: And how many jobs aren't being created thanks to taking that money away from the job creators?

Obamacare is a failure.  It was supposed to kill jobs, create death panels and send doctors running to the hills.  Obama betrayed the GOP yet again.


Plus, like Boehner said, since 2 appellate courts disagreed on what subsidies only being valid for exchanges set up "by the states" means it proves Obamacare is totally unworkable and needs to be scrapped entirely.
 
2014-07-24 03:31:15 PM
I just want to know where my million buck payout is.
 
2014-07-24 03:32:12 PM

Serious Black: Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.


Raise your hand if you failed the math test..


*raises hand*
 
2014-07-24 03:33:11 PM

make me some tea: I just want to know where my million buck payout is.


Here ya go:

www.alaska-in-pictures.com

Shipping and handling is on you, though.
 
2014-07-24 03:33:24 PM

nmrsnr: And how many jobs aren't being created thanks to taking that money away from the job creators?


You stole my joke.
 
2014-07-24 03:34:05 PM

Serious Black: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?

Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.

Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.


You missed some zeroes.  Giving everyone in America (~3x10^8) one million dollars (1x10^6) would cost a mere $300 trillion (3x10^14), or ~20 years of US GDP.

Now, we know everything The Stealth Hippopotamus writes is dumb and wrong.  There's no need to exaggerate how stupid it is, because the original statement is so comically wrong to begin with.
 
2014-07-24 03:34:26 PM

RobertBruce: ...while prescription and office visit co-pays have doubled. You pretty much break even at best.


I know you literally understand how nothing works, but I can tell you that my script still costs the same as it did last year and my co pay is still the same. I went to my same Doctor as I always have and he does the same shiat he always did, except apparently under the ACA I am allowed a covered STI screening.  Otherwise my employer-provided health insurance is behaving exactly as it always has.
 
2014-07-24 03:34:47 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?


Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.


80 bucks and health insurance many didn't have before. That is good.
 
2014-07-24 03:35:03 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.


Or we could have saved a bunch of money by not bloating the project, and having the states set up their exchanges like they were originally supposed to. But hey that would require GoP governors to govern and no one wants that.
 
2014-07-24 03:35:13 PM

Serious Black: SauronWasFramed: In headlines from tomorrow, deductibles cost $4 billion more.

After accounting for the fact that approximately ten million previously uninsured Americans now have insurance, that would suggest that the average deductible per beneficiary has declined by about $500.


lol. My quoted deductible was $12,600 for family coverage with no co pay.  Of course, I could have added 200 a month to the nearly $1000 a month premium to halve the deductible.

I guess it was $13,100 if you are to be believed.
 
2014-07-24 03:35:19 PM

make me some tea: I just want to know where my million buck payout is.


It went to Obamaphones that blacks can use to call their Obamadoctors about Obamacare.
 
2014-07-24 03:37:19 PM

chimp_ninja: Serious Black: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?

Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.

Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.

You missed some zeroes.  Giving everyone in America (~3x10^8) one million dollars (1x10^6) would cost a mere $300 trillion (3x10^14), or ~20 years of US GDP.

Now, we know everything The Stealth Hippopotamus writes is dumb and wrong.  There's no need to exaggerate how stupid it is, because the original statement is so comically wrong to begin with.


Damnit. You're right. I shall flog myself with a cat-o-nine-tails as punishment for my transgressions.

Still, 1.5 times the combined wealth of everyone on Earth is ridiculous.
 
2014-07-24 03:37:40 PM

BSABSVR: RobertBruce: ...while prescription and office visit co-pays have doubled. You pretty much break even at best.

I know you literally understand how nothing works, but I can tell you that my script still costs the same as it did last year and my co pay is still the same. I went to my same Doctor as I always have and he does the same shiat he always did, except apparently under the ACA I am allowed a covered STI screening.  Otherwise my employer-provided health insurance is behaving exactly as it always has.


Same here. I think Mr Bruce is full of sh*te.
 
2014-07-24 03:40:08 PM

chimp_ninja: You missed some zeroes. Giving everyone in America (~3x10^8) one million dollars (1x10^6) would cost a mere $300 trillion (3x10^14), or ~20 years of US GDP.

Now, we know everything The Stealth Hippopotamus writes is dumb and wrong. There's no need to exaggerate how stupid it is, because the original statement is so comically wrong to begin with.


So, basically, everyone in the US winds up a millionaire and doesn't have to work all for a mere pittance?

What are we waiting for?

/Spare me your bookish economics.
 
2014-07-24 03:41:52 PM
I see all our little potatoes that cried wolf are already here to explain how this is really a bad thing...
 
2014-07-24 03:42:01 PM

RobertBruce: ...while prescription and office visit co-pays have doubled. You pretty much break even at best.


My co-pay for office visits is $25. Prescription are $35, $15, or free. I am not seeing a huge increase here.
 
2014-07-24 03:43:26 PM

SauronWasFramed: Serious Black: SauronWasFramed: In headlines from tomorrow, deductibles cost $4 billion more.

After accounting for the fact that approximately ten million previously uninsured Americans now have insurance, that would suggest that the average deductible per beneficiary has declined by about $500.

lol. My quoted deductible was $12,600 for family coverage with no co pay.  Of course, I could have added 200 a month to the nearly $1000 a month premium to halve the deductible.

I guess it was $13,100 if you are to be believed.


Aren't you the guy that keeps claiming this outrageous plan only to be debunked then claim the exact same in future threads? You may need a new shtick.
 
2014-07-24 03:43:30 PM

nmrsnr: Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.

Never mind, he's on a roll.

mrshowrules: nmrsnr: And how many jobs aren't being created thanks to taking that money away from the job creators?

Obamacare is a failure.  It was supposed to kill jobs, create death panels and send doctors running to the hills.  Obama betrayed the GOP yet again.

Plus, like Boehner said, since 2 appellate courts disagreed on what subsidies only being valid for exchanges set up "by the states" means it proves Obamacare is totally unworkable and needs to be scrapped entirely.


It is chaos.  That is the Fox war drum beat now.  People getting insurance through expanded Medicaid, because of subsidies, employer mandated insurance, through their parents plan, Federal exchange, State exchanges.  Chaos I tells you.

All this votes to repeal.  All the attempts to kill it in the courts.  It is almost impossible to keep track of all the attempts to derail it.  Chaos.

Before you had private insurance for everyone but 30 million Americans.  Now its chaos.  You apparently need something simple but not as simple as single-payer.
 
2014-07-24 03:45:05 PM

SauronWasFramed: Serious Black: SauronWasFramed: In headlines from tomorrow, deductibles cost $4 billion more.

After accounting for the fact that approximately ten million previously uninsured Americans now have insurance, that would suggest that the average deductible per beneficiary has declined by about $500.

lol. My quoted deductible was $12,600 for family coverage with no co pay.  Of course, I could have added 200 a month to the nearly $1000 a month premium to halve the deductible.

I guess it was $13,100 if you are to be believed.


Shop around.  Why do you hate the free-market?
 
2014-07-24 03:45:41 PM
My premium doubled, my deductible quardupled and my copay is the soul of my first-born son.  Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-07-24 03:47:19 PM

DeaH: RobertBruce: ...while prescription and office visit co-pays have doubled. You pretty much break even at best.

My co-pay for office visits is $25. Prescription are $35, $15, or free. I am not seeing a huge increase here.


Some of my prescriptions went down this year... Not sure why, but the stuff I take for my blood pressure went down almost $4 and my pro-air went down about $5.

Of course, I'm still paying more than I was a year and a half ago as I now have a full-time job with benefits. When I was on MAHealth, I had no copay for Dr.'s visits and prescriptions were $7 for brand name and $3 for generics.

Some people are just going biatch and moan regardless of facts, apparently...
 
2014-07-24 03:47:31 PM

DeaH: RobertBruce: ...while prescription and office visit co-pays have doubled. You pretty much break even at best.

My co-pay for office visits is $25. Prescription are $35, $15, or free. I am not seeing a huge increase here.


Same here and I even have no co-pay on urgent care visits.
 
2014-07-24 03:48:08 PM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Spent billions setting up the system, spent millions in subsidies going directly the the insurance companies and we get on average 80 bucks....

thanks?


Of course if the goal was to get money into the pockets of Americans we could have given everyone in America a million dollars instead of building the ACA website.
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=active&client=firefox- a &hs=BW5&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&q=current+us+populat ion&spell=1&sa=X&ei=JlrRU_KxDsqVyASa_IGQAg&ved=0CBwQvwUoAA&biw=1022&bi h=594

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/10/24/how-mu c h-did-healthcare-gov-cost/

But I guess 80 bucks is good.

Giving every person in America $1 million would cost somewhere north of $300 quadrillion dollars. That's more than 1,500 times the combined wealth of every person alive today on the planet.

and that is why it is some how a bad idea to raise the Federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour.


He only meant the white people.
 
2014-07-24 03:48:25 PM

mrshowrules: Shop around. Why do you hate the free-market?


He could be from one of those complete shiat states like Mississippi or Alabamba where the insurance companies aren't putting in a strong presence because the overall health sucks, the economy blows, and there was no state exchange set up.
 
2014-07-24 03:48:53 PM
But I was told Obamacare was the instrument through which Satan himself would rise from hell and destroy America and offer to house-sit for me and then let my dog shiat on my carpet without even cleaning up after him
 
2014-07-24 03:50:18 PM
Yeah subby, I'm saving a ton in premiums. its too bad my deductible is $33,750 now.
 
2014-07-24 03:52:17 PM

Madewithrealbitsofpanther: mrshowrules: Shop around. Why do you hate the free-market?

He could be from one of those complete shiat states like Mississippi or Alabamba where the insurance companies aren't putting in a strong presence because the overall health sucks, the economy blows, and there was no state exchange set up.


so Libertarian paradise in other words.
 
2014-07-24 03:52:26 PM

CPennypacker: Yeah subby, I'm saving a ton in premiums. its too bad my deductible is $33,750 now.


Jesus Christ, I would switch insurers. That's your own damn fault.
 
2014-07-24 03:53:00 PM

mrshowrules: Shop around.  Why do you hate the free-market?


He is, he pops into nearly every thread like this trying to find someone that'll buy into his bullshiat.
 
2014-07-24 03:54:31 PM

Wyalt Derp: My premium doubled, my deductible quardupled and my copay is the soul of my first-born son.  Thanks, Obama.


Shop around.  Conservatives wanted reform that preserved private insurance.  If you think health insurance is an entitlement, push for single-payer.
 
2014-07-24 03:55:51 PM
The premiums aren't the hard part to swallow. The deductible and co-payment are what kill me.

"Okay, you pay us $300 per month for insurance, then you pay the first $6000 of expenses, and we'll cover 80% of the next $30,000 in expenses after that." Ugh.
 
2014-07-24 03:55:58 PM

mrshowrules: so Libertarian paradise in other words.



Add in a very shiatty education system so not too many people have the intellectual gravitas to understand the bullshiat logical leaps in their theories, and yeah pretty much.
 
2014-07-24 03:57:33 PM

RobertBruce: ...while prescription and office visit co-pays have doubled. You pretty much break even at best.


My wife's drug copays are 1/3, OV copays are 1/2 what she was paying before, her premium is about $130 less than her previous, and no subsidy because we make too much $$.
 
2014-07-24 03:57:39 PM

CPennypacker: Yeah subby, I'm saving a ton in premiums. its too bad my deductible is $33,750 now.


If that were really your deductible, you could sue your insurance company for violating the law on what out-of-pocket maximums they can offer.
 
2014-07-24 03:58:17 PM

incendi: mrshowrules: Shop around.  Why do you hate the free-market?

He is, he pops into nearly every thread like this trying to find someone that'll buy into his bullshiat.


Almost every single one of these ACA threads, too... I can only assume he thinks he's the only permanent member of Fark, or he's just a disingenuous twat... maybe both. : )
 
2014-07-24 04:03:50 PM

SauronWasFramed: Serious Black: SauronWasFramed: In headlines from tomorrow, deductibles cost $4 billion more.

After accounting for the fact that approximately ten million previously uninsured Americans now have insurance, that would suggest that the average deductible per beneficiary has declined by about $500.

lol. My quoted deductible was $12,600 for family coverage with no co pay.  Of course, I could have added 200 a month to the nearly $1000 a month premium to halve the deductible.

I guess it was $13,100 if you are to be believed.


dude that's nothin'

This one time, my deductible was 3 million dollars!!
Then I went to the doctor but they said I could only see a nurse and she was outside behind the building and she wasn't really a nurse and I saw an alligator too.
 
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