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(Future Structure)   In this episode of Things That Are Totally Doable But Will Never Happen: Citywide personal rapid transit maglev pods   (futurestructure.com) divider line 23
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2014-07-24 12:14:36 PM  
Rube Goldberg solution. We already have the tech to do something similar without much of an infrastructure update: self driving cars. It would be orders of magnitude cheaper to just have a bunch of robo-taxis.

Might be fun somewhere small and expensive, like Disney Land, but that's about it.
 
2014-07-24 12:25:47 PM  
et3
 
2014-07-24 01:22:46 PM  
The project would cost 20 billion dollars for a 50 mile run of rail:
- 3 billion for acquiring property rights
- 2 billion for the maglev track
- 2 billion for the pods
- 1 billion for transit facilities and HQ
- 2 billion for lawyers
- 10 billion for political bribes and corruption

It would take 20 years to complete the initial 5 mile run of tracks.
 
2014-07-24 02:58:55 PM  
The problem with any non-personal transportation solution is that it only gets you close to where you want to be. It doesn't actually get you there. Cars, walking and bicycling actually get you exactly where you want to be.
 
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2014-07-24 03:00:42 PM  
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2014-07-24 03:58:00 PM  

altside: et3


ET3 is a big nothingburger. They've gotten a bit of momentum by pretending to be associated with Musk's Hyperloop concept (even though he explicitly cited them as a bad idea) but at the end of the day they still have the same broken idea they have had for twenty years.

Just to give you an idea of how dumb the guys pushing it are, they think that the "no funding for infrastructure ever" libertarians opposing the California "high speed" rail effort are good allies.
 
2014-07-24 04:07:16 PM  

doglover: Rube Goldberg solution. We already have the tech to do something similar without much of an infrastructure update: self driving cars. It would be orders of magnitude cheaper to just have a bunch of robo-taxis.

Might be fun somewhere small and expensive, like Disney Land, but that's about it.


Yeah, until it explodes just because you didn't pay your fare.

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2014-07-24 04:14:32 PM  
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R.I.P. P.O.D.
 
2014-07-24 04:16:09 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: Yeah, until it explodes just because you didn't pay your fare.


Hell of a day, isn't it?
 
2014-07-24 04:21:57 PM  

doglover: Rube Goldberg solution. We already have the tech to do something similar without much of an infrastructure update: self driving cars. It would be orders of magnitude cheaper to just have a bunch of robo-taxis.

Might be fun somewhere small and expensive, like Disney Land, but that's about it.


I think the future of self driving cars will be one or two standardized wheel bases, and then highways and major streets that look more like train tracks with grass and/or solar cells between the "tracks". A BOTEC I did a long time ago shows that at today's efficiencies, an enormous amount of solar power is available from the land in the West dedicated to the Interstate system. (Sans distribution issues).

But I also see self-driving cars turning into self-assembling trains which would make for more efficient and safe driving over long distances (think I-5 in California) or when going over regional hills (think the 405 in LA from Ventura Blvd to Westlake)
 
2014-07-24 04:43:12 PM  
Oct 21 2015 is just over a year away.
 
2014-07-24 04:57:25 PM  
So say we decided to build these person pod transport things, what advantage does using maglev offer over a simple rail system? I mean it's cool but it seems like a maglev pod system system would have more points for failure and be more expensive than a series of self propelled electric motor pods on metal rails.
 
2014-07-24 05:02:03 PM  
It could happen but: Infrastructure costs money.
There needs to be a shift in priorities for things like this to happen.
 
2014-07-24 05:04:45 PM  

Russ1642: Oct 21 2015 is just over a year away.


Tomorrow is only a day awaaay.
 
2014-07-24 05:11:15 PM  

way south: It could happen but: Infrastructure costs money.
There needs to be a shift in priorities for things like this to happen.


Two shifts, unfortunately, are needed. First, we have to decide that spending on infrastructure at all is a worthy endeavor. We used yo be there, but aren't there any more. Second, we have to decide that some of that spending should go to legitimately new stuff, rather than patching and expanding our 150 year old system.

Since the US is the most conservative (and therefore change averse) of the big rich developed countries, we'll probably never to wait for someone else to do it first. Can't be European countries though, since we are instinctively opposed to anything they do.
 
2014-07-24 05:14:20 PM  
Ooh, is it "things that are technically feasible but not even remotely cost effective compared to comparable solutions" time again?
 
2014-07-24 05:28:41 PM  
Who's gonna ride it? They built a light rail in Norfolk and I hardly ever see anyone in the thing! And now they are talking about having one go through Virginia Beach. I'd love to be able to just get on a train and take it all the way to the ocean front, but I know that from where I live it will take twice as long to get there than if I drive. So driving it is.
 
2014-07-24 05:32:26 PM  
The Simpsons need to do The Maglev Man. A very close remake of that monorail man episode with a load of "I somehow feel we've done this before" from Lisa, and everyone is like "You keep talking like you're 30".
 
2014-07-24 05:49:25 PM  

Richard_The_Clown: Who's gonna ride it? They built a light rail in Norfolk and I hardly ever see anyone in the thing! And now they are talking about having one go through Virginia Beach. I'd love to be able to just get on a train and take it all the way to the ocean front, but I know that from where I live it will take twice as long to get there than if I drive. So driving it is.


I think you answered your own question. If it isn't slow, people will use it. Also this looks like private pods, so people could use it without coming in contact with people who are "smelly" or "weird" (suburbanite code words for poor people and minorities).
 
2014-07-24 07:47:09 PM  

Hollie Maea: way south: It could happen but: Infrastructure costs money.
There needs to be a shift in priorities for things like this to happen.

Two shifts, unfortunately, are needed. First, we have to decide that spending on infrastructure at all is a worthy endeavor. We used yo be there, but aren't there any more. Second, we have to decide that some of that spending should go to legitimately new stuff, rather than patching and expanding our 150 year old system.

Since the US is the most conservative (and therefore change averse) of the big rich developed countries, we'll probably never to wait for someone else to do it first. Can't be European countries though, since we are instinctively opposed to anything they do.


I think its just one shift.

We do spend on infrastructure (or, at least, we used to). The problem is convincing people that a rail system, which stops at select places, is a better use of everyones money than a road, which goes to all places. Many US cities were built around the cars flexibility and people would rather see the money spent upgrading the current system.
Our priority has to shift to dealing with growth before digging for votes, so that fewer cars will be needed and cities can be better planned around their own transportation network.
 
2014-07-24 08:16:44 PM  

bdub77: The project would cost 20 billion dollars for a 50 mile run of rail:
- 3 billion for acquiring property rights
- 2 billion for the maglev track
- 2 billion for the pods
- 1 billion for transit facilities and HQ
- 2 billion for lawyers
- 10 billion for political bribes and corruption

It would take 20 years to complete the initial 5 mile run of tracks.


Unless it was done in Boston, in which case you can expect $97 billion as 53 years, as well some collapses, crashes, deaths, and arrests.
 
2014-07-25 12:23:18 AM  
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2014-07-25 05:10:17 AM  
I should invent an ultra high proximity electromagnetic repulsion machine utilizing a rotationally symmetrical geometry... you know, a wheel on the ground.
 
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