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(Slate)   Linguistic Insecurity: or, why graduates of elite colleges tell people they "went to school in Boston," while graduates of lesser schools insist on saying "THE Ohio State University"   (slate.com) divider line 73
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2014-07-24 12:07:27 PM  
The Harvard grads you hang with are a significantly different type than all that I've met, evidently.  They're like vegans or bisexuals in that you never have to ask, they'll tell you really quickly all about it.
 
2014-07-24 12:38:17 PM  
There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton is better than any of the schools in Boston.
 
2014-07-24 12:57:40 PM  

what_now: There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton is better than any of the schools in Boston.


Berklee.

Hahvahd Med School and several of its teaching hospitals.
 
2014-07-24 01:13:16 PM  
Once or twice years ago I tried responding to "where did you go to college" with "I went to college in <<cityname>>" rather than "I went to <<prestigiousuniversityname>>".  IIRC it did not go over too well.  If anything had in mind to try not to intimidate the person with credentials, but it just sounds evasive or confusing.
 
2014-07-24 01:31:29 PM  

what_now: There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton Chestnut Hill is better than any of the schools in Boston.


FTFY.

Oh, and...

borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-24 01:58:33 PM  
THE Alan Freed...?
 
2014-07-24 02:36:30 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: what_now: There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton Chestnut Hill is better than any of the schools in Boston.

FTFY.

Oh, and...

[borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-24 03:25:18 PM  

what_now: OtherLittleGuy: what_now: There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton Chestnut Hill is better than any of the schools in Boston.

FTFY.

Oh, and...

[borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 183x183]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ArP3D_LX5w

That was my second choice school.
 
2014-07-24 03:25:29 PM  
I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed
 
2014-07-24 03:25:56 PM  
I always figured that OSU grads wanted everyone to know that they had finally learned the difference between an indefinite article and a definite article.
 
2014-07-24 03:28:10 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed


Trivia fact: New Jersey is the only state in the US that does not have a university named "University of _____".

/Graduated from Trenton State College
//Which is now "The College of New Jersey"
///Which is an idiotic name
////And also the original name of Princeton
 
2014-07-24 03:31:29 PM  
OSU Grad.  Will never hear me say THE Ohio State University, and I cringe every time I hear somebody else say it like that.

/usually just says Ohio State
//GO BUCKS!
 
2014-07-24 03:32:23 PM  
Leon is a wanker.
 
2014-07-24 03:34:23 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed


Purdue also is a state university with it's own name.  Rutgers and Purdue were both land-grant universities and decided to stay public because of that status.
 
2014-07-24 03:35:01 PM  

Cybernetic: DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed

Trivia fact: New Jersey is the only state in the US that does not have a university named "University of _____".

/Graduated from Trenton State College
//Which is now "The College of New Jersey"
///Which is an idiotic name
////And also the original name of Princeton


Ohio does not
 
2014-07-24 03:36:08 PM  

what_now: There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton is better than any of the schools in Boston.


Having just visited some friends at Tufts a few weeks ago, I think you can consider Cambridge part of the Boston area, since you can get there on the T.
 
2014-07-24 03:50:55 PM  

senorpogo: Cybernetic: DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed

Trivia fact: New Jersey is the only state in the US that does not have a university named "University of _____".

/Graduated from Trenton State College
//Which is now "The College of New Jersey"
///Which is an idiotic name
////And also the original name of Princeton

Ohio does not


"University of ___" or "____ University," then.

/oddly, some old books at the U. of Michigan library are bound saying "Michigan University."
 
2014-07-24 03:55:21 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: Once or twice years ago I tried responding to "where did you go to college" with "I went to college in <<cityname>>" rather than "I went to <<prestigiousuniversityname>>".  IIRC it did not go over too well.  If anything had in mind to try not to intimidate the person with credentials, but it just sounds evasive or confusing.


Yeah it just sounds weird, and most of the people I know who went to that kind of school were more than happy to let me know where they went (Harvard, Yale, UVA, Vanderbilt, etc). The closes that I would understand would be something like "I went to Cal", but that's probably because I think of it as Berkeley.

/took me an embarrassingly long time to realize the PAC-10 'Cal' was Berkeley
 
2014-07-24 03:55:48 PM  
Graduate of the University of Ottawa say they went to the University of Ottawa (or UofO).  Carleton grads say they went to school in Ottawa.

/and it's UofO, dammit, not Ottawa U.
//the second one is some podunk school in Ohio
 
2014-07-24 03:57:52 PM  
The test was whether Harvard kids used the august phrase "Ivy League" more or less frequently than the Penn kids, given Harvard's reputation as the quintessential Ivy League college and Penn's as the league's red-headed stepchild. Consistent with the other studies, the Penn students were much more likely to invoke that hallowed circle of institutions than their Harvard peers.

HAHAHAHA! This Columbia University graduate says SUCK IT, UPENN!

/hates UPenn
/hates Harvard
/hates Yale
/hates Princeton
/hates Cornell
/hates Brown
/Dartmouth is OK, they drink a lot.
 
2014-07-24 04:05:26 PM  

Cybernetic: DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed

Trivia fact: New Jersey is the only state in the US that does not have a university named "University of _____".

/Graduated from Trenton State College
//Which is now "The College of New Jersey"
///Which is an idiotic name
////And also the original name of Princeton


Ohio?  There is Ohio University and Tosu, but no University of Ohio that I am aware of.
 
2014-07-24 04:06:05 PM  

Arkanaut: what_now: There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton is better than any of the schools in Boston.

Having just visited some friends at Tufts a few weeks ago, I think you can consider Cambridge part of the Boston area, since you can get there on the T.


Boston is a weird geographic thing.  The city itself is pretty small (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Boston,+MA­/­[nospam-﹫-backwards]24­*3133734,-71.0571571 ,1 2z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x89e3652d0d3d311b:0x787cbf240162e8a0 ), and to locals the other towns and cities around it are separate entities even though most rational outside observers would have no problem lumping them together into the label "Boston" or "Boston area"/"Boston metro" etc.  I even know people that would argue that Jamaica Plain and Roxbury shouldn't be within the borders of that map (although they'd be wrong).

Then on the other side of it is the weird obsession with association with Boston, like the airport in Manchester NH being "Manchester Boston Regional Airport", never mind that Manchester is an hour and change on a good day from Boston proper.
 
2014-07-24 04:08:25 PM  
Boston University
College of Arts and Sciences
 
2014-07-24 04:10:57 PM  

Burr: OSU Grad.  Will never hear me say THE Ohio State University, and I cringe every time I hear somebody else say it like that.

/usually just says Ohio State
//GO BUCKS!


Lately,every time I hear about the entity formerly known as ISIS, I try to figure out a joke about someone bragging about their years at THE Islamic State Madrassa and their undying hatred for the U of M Mujahedeens.

Haven't come up with a good one, yet.
 
2014-07-24 04:12:46 PM  

Cybernetic: Trivia fact: New Jersey is the only state in the US that does not have a university named "University of _____".


There are:
The College of New Jersey
Jersey College
University of Northern New Jersey
 
2014-07-24 04:14:02 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: senorpogo: Cybernetic: DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed

Trivia fact: New Jersey is the only state in the US that does not have a university named "University of _____".

/Graduated from Trenton State College
//Which is now "The College of New Jersey"
///Which is an idiotic name
////And also the original name of Princeton

Ohio does not

"University of ___" or "____ University," then.

/oddly, some old books at the U. of Michigan library are bound saying "Michigan University."


That's correct; my original statement was slightly inaccurate. New Jersey has neither a "New Jersey Univeristy" nor a "University of New Jersey". Every other state in the country has one or the other.
 
2014-07-24 04:14:28 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Lately,every time I hear about the entity formerly known as ISIS


Lana, Lana, LANA!
treasure.diylol.com
 
2014-07-24 04:17:35 PM  

Phelyx: DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed

Purdue also is a state university with it's own name.  Rutgers and Purdue were both land-grant universities and decided to stay public because of that status.


Miami University, 10th oldest public university in the USA.

It's the most expensive 4-year public university in the USA.

Citation:  http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/07/01/education-department-up d ates-its-rankings-most-costly-colleges#sthash.BYbXkcNv.dpbs

They must have a kick-ass gym.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-07-24 04:22:07 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: I went to Rutgers, the only state university that has its own name.

A few years ago, they floated the idea of changing it to "New Jersey State".  It didn't go very far, since
most people screamed


The full name of the University is Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey
 
2014-07-24 04:22:40 PM  
I'm not sure why you'd need to ask as (IME) folks who went to prestigious schools in the US seem intent on wearing clothing emblazoned with their school logo for an absurdly long time after graduation, and in case you missed the logo on their sweater they festoon their cars with plates and decals bearing their school's logo.
 
2014-07-24 04:25:17 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Burr: OSU Grad.  Will never hear me say THE Ohio State University, and I cringe every time I hear somebody else say it like that.

/usually just says Ohio State
//GO BUCKS!

Lately,every time I hear about the entity formerly known as ISIS, I try to figure out a joke about someone bragging about their years at THE Islamic State Madrassa and their undying hatred for the U of M Mujahedeens.

Haven't come up with a good one, yet.


www.austinchronicle.com
 
2014-07-24 04:29:25 PM  
In job interviews, I usually say that the four years I spent at college laid the foundation, but what you're really interested in is what I built on that foundation.
 
kth
2014-07-24 04:34:46 PM  
JohnAnnArbor:

/oddly, some old books at the U. of Michigan library are bound saying "Michigan University."


Sounds like KU. We are technically University of Kansas, but are referred to as KU.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU!
 
2014-07-24 04:36:48 PM  

redmid17: 4tehsnowflakes: Once or twice years ago I tried responding to "where did you go to college" with "I went to college in <<cityname>>" rather than "I went to <<prestigiousuniversityname>>".  IIRC it did not go over too well.  If anything had in mind to try not to intimidate the person with credentials, but it just sounds evasive or confusing.

Yeah it just sounds weird, and most of the people I know who went to that kind of school were more than happy to let me know where they went (Harvard, Yale, UVA, Vanderbilt, etc). The closes that I would understand would be something like "I went to Cal", but that's probably because I think of it as Berkeley.

/took me an embarrassingly long time to realize the PAC-10 'Cal' was Berkeley


FWIW it's only kinda, sorta Berkeley. It's really The University of California. Hence Cal. It was ages before Univ of Cal created a Southern Extension that eventually seceded and became UCLA, creating the UC system and necessitating Cal becoming UCB. They stole our mascot, colors and song. those southern buggers.
 
2014-07-24 05:00:11 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Miami University, 10th oldest public university in the USA.

It's the most expensive 4-year public university in the USA.

Citation:  http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/07/01/education-department-up d ates-its-rankings-most-costly-colleges#sthash.BYbXkcNv.dpbs

They must have a kick-ass gym.


What's weird about Miami University is that it's so expensive but it's not very good.  It's the second best university in its state behind the school that the Fark headline is mocking, but by god will you pay through the nose to attend.

Also, maybe everyone who says that they graduated "from a university in Boston" are hoping you don't realize they went to Northeastern and not Harvard?
 
2014-07-24 05:05:13 PM  

Clash City Farker: Boston University
College of Arts and Sciences


I don't know how we turned this into a BU thread (probably the same way we make everything else Terrier related - we outnumber everyone else but the Ohio State crowd) but...

Boston University
College of Optional Math

Went early decision.  Fark you, every college that didn't offer a major in writing for television!

Also an Ohioan.  I can't believe there isn't an image from Toy Story of the astronaut saying "Buckeye fans... Buckeye fans EVERYWHERE," as that's what my family reunions tend to look like.
 
2014-07-24 05:14:37 PM  
Ah. So that's why UVa grads can tell everyone they went to "The University," as if there is any other.
 
2014-07-24 05:14:38 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Miami University, 10th oldest public university in the USA.


Yeah, there are numerous examples.  Rutgers isn't even close to the "only" one.

mjbok: The full name of the University is Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey


And yeah, it's not even one of the examples of this naming phenomenon itself.  Lots of places are referred to by just the city or other local name, if "popularly known as" counts.
 
2014-07-24 05:20:10 PM  

mainstreet62: The test was whether Harvard kids used the august phrase "Ivy League" more or less frequently than the Penn kids, given Harvard's reputation as the quintessential Ivy League college and Penn's as the league's red-headed stepchild. Consistent with the other studies, the Penn students were much more likely to invoke that hallowed circle of institutions than their Harvard peers.

HAHAHAHA! This Columbia University graduate says SUCK IT, UPENN!

/hates UPenn
/hates Harvard
/hates Yale
/hates Princeton
/hates Cornell
/hates Brown
/Dartmouth is OK, they drink a lot.


Also a CU grad, and I enjoyed that line...(class '06, were you '04?)

I'm definitely guilty of having said I went to school in New York.
 
2014-07-24 05:21:11 PM  

llortcM_yllort: Parthenogenetic: Miami University, 10th oldest public university in the USA.

It's the most expensive 4-year public university in the USA.

Citation:  http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/07/01/education-department-up d ates-its-rankings-most-costly-colleges#sthash.BYbXkcNv.dpbs

They must have a kick-ass gym.

What's weird about Miami University is that it's so expensive but it's not very good.  It's the second best university in its state behind the school that the Fark headline is mocking, but by god will you pay through the nose to attend.


There was an article posted on here a while back about just that, when Scott Walker was the derp du jour.  Said that essentially, MUOH is a school that is quite attractive to conservative upper-middle and rich families (particularly, but not necessarily, from the more conservative southwest corner of Ohio) because they send their children there without having to worry about them coming away with too much exposure to "dangerous" liberal ideas that might induce them to rebel against authority.

And FWIW, on average they're way, way more touchy and obnoxious about being confused with a certain large university in southern Florida than I've ever seen OSU students/alums/fans get about including "The."
 
2014-07-24 05:23:45 PM  
I was chatting with a guy from Australia about his University days and he told me about picking on the Canadians. "You could always tell which ones were Canadian because all their shiat had maple leafs on it."
 
2014-07-24 05:24:49 PM  
FTA: "Yet the researchers' interpretation of their findings feels at least partially correct to me."

...because as we all know, feelings are the best way to evaluate the interpretation of a set of data.
 
2014-07-24 05:27:25 PM  
Because graduates of elite colleges don't want people to expect them to do any actual professional-level accomplishments because they cruised by classes on Daddy's money and connections, while the people who went to "lesser" colleges can actually be proud that they had to earn their way to graduation through actual study and effort?
 
2014-07-24 05:47:29 PM  

Target Builder: I'm not sure why you'd need to ask as (IME) folks who went to prestigious schools in the US seem intent on wearing clothing emblazoned with their school logo for an absurdly long time after graduation, and in case you missed the logo on their sweater they festoon their cars with plates and decals bearing their school's logo.


Depends.  If you are in Columbus you can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone or something Buckeye related.  If you're in Columbus and wearing U of M stuff, that is completely different.  There's nothing wrong with having pride in where you went to school.

//Buckeye fans are brutal to people wearing attire of other Big Ten schools in town.
 
2014-07-24 05:49:12 PM  

4tehsnowflakes: Once or twice years ago I tried responding to "where did you go to college" with "I went to college in <<cityname>>" rather than "I went to <<prestigiousuniversityname>>".  IIRC it did not go over too well.  If anything had in mind to try not to intimidate the person with credentials, but it just sounds evasive or confusing.


mostly people don't even follow up when I say I went to a small technical school in Atlanta.
 
2014-07-24 05:56:17 PM  

Dhusk: Because graduates of elite colleges don't want people to expect them to do any actual professional-level accomplishments because they cruised by classes on Daddy's money and connections, while the people who went to "lesser" colleges can actually be proud that they had to earn their way to graduation through actual study and effort?


As someone who graduated from the "lesser" college listed in the headline, I can tell you that you overestimate the effort needed to get that diploma
 
2014-07-24 05:57:14 PM  

That_Dude: Dhusk: Because graduates of elite colleges don't want people to expect them to do any actual professional-level accomplishments because they cruised by classes on Daddy's money and connections, while the people who went to "lesser" colleges can actually be proud that they had to earn their way to graduation through actual study and effort?

As someone who graduated from the "lesser" college listed in the headline, I can tell you that you overestimate the effort needed to get that diploma


Getting through undergrad aint tough anywhere.
 
2014-07-24 06:03:32 PM  

mjbok: That_Dude: Dhusk: Because graduates of elite colleges don't want people to expect them to do any actual professional-level accomplishments because they cruised by classes on Daddy's money and connections, while the people who went to "lesser" colleges can actually be proud that they had to earn their way to graduation through actual study and effort?

As someone who graduated from the "lesser" college listed in the headline, I can tell you that you overestimate the effort needed to get that diploma

Getting through undergrad aint tough anywhere.


I've heard otherwise about getting an EE at MIT. Don't know personally though.
 
2014-07-24 06:06:00 PM  

mjbok: Target Builder: I'm not sure why you'd need to ask as (IME) folks who went to prestigious schools in the US seem intent on wearing clothing emblazoned with their school logo for an absurdly long time after graduation, and in case you missed the logo on their sweater they festoon their cars with plates and decals bearing their school's logo.

Depends.  If you are in Columbus you can't swing a dead cat without hitting someone or something Buckeye related.  If you're in Columbus and wearing U of M stuff, that is completely different.  There's nothing wrong with having pride in where you went to school.

//Buckeye fans are brutal to people wearing attire of other Big Ten schools in town.


I have a few hoodies and some t-shirts with the logo, but that is about it.  Yeah, I am proud of my school, but I show it by hanging my diploma on the wall. I don't feel the need to advertise it everywhere.  Hell, I know people who have never set foot on campus that have more Buckeye gear then me.

I root for the team, but I don't get too invested in it.
 
2014-07-24 06:16:26 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: what_now: There aren't that many elite colleges in Boston. There's BU and Northeastern, but the best schools in Massachusetts are in Cambridge.

I hate to admit this, but even that shiatty Jesuit school in Newton Chestnut Hill is better than any of the schools in Boston.

FTFY.

Oh, and...

[borgdotcom.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]


Um, hate to break it to you, but Chestnut Hill is,legally speaking, a neighborhood within the City of Newton.  At least, like 2/3 of the campus is in Newton.  The athletics facilities and some other buildings are in Boston.

\but to the more important point, yes, BU sucks
\\at least the man I refer to as the Coach K of College Hockey no longer sucks referees off on the bench
\\\how'd last season feel, BU? :P
 
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