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(Talking Points Memo)   "Boehner gives Obama ultimatum over border" You know who else gave an ultimatum over a border?   ( talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line
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2014-07-24 07:31:05 AM  
The President shouldn't negotiate with terrorists.
 
2014-07-24 07:33:06 AM  

ManateeGag: The President shouldn't negotiate with terrorists.

 
2014-07-24 07:49:15 AM  
James Monroe?
 
2014-07-24 08:01:47 AM  
One in done.
 
2014-07-24 08:31:05 AM  
Over the Mexican border?

I don't think I'll ever be over the Mexican border.
 
2014-07-24 08:34:54 AM  
Pedro. Pedro gives ultimatums all up and down I-95 in North and South Carolina.

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2014-07-24 08:35:35 AM  
In theory, I agree with Boehner. Treating the symptoms isn't going to solve the problem, you have to address the root cause. In practice, I expect they'll have some completely idiotic, potato-level assessment of what the root cause is and demand some completely farktarded "solution" that will be in direct opposition to America's core values of liberty, equality, and justice, and when Obama doesn't go for it, they'll use that as an excuse to do something stupid and make the problem worse.
 
2014-07-24 08:44:12 AM  
Boehner's not going to give Obama anything he wants anyway, so why should the President bother?
 
2014-07-24 08:44:39 AM  

incendi: In theory, I agree with Boehner. Treating the symptoms isn't going to solve the problem, you have to address the root cause. In practice, I expect they'll have some completely idiotic, potato-level assessment of what the root cause is and demand some completely farktarded "solution" that will be in direct opposition to America's core values of liberty, equality, and justice, and when Obama doesn't go for it, they'll use that as an excuse to do something stupid and make the problem worse.


Well, if we have to be grown-ups, I have to say I agree with much of that. I think, though, if you put Boehner and Obama in a room off the record, they would probably agree with each other on a lot of immigration policy issues, but the damned tea party zealots have created a huge rift in the Republican party over immigration. That rift, of course, is one area where Boehner's leadership failures are apparent. There are a number of Republicans with rational, pragmatic views of immigration, but they tend to get "primaried" these days, see, e.g. Eric Cantor. Absent the tea party, I think Obama and Boehner would probably work out something, not without some of the usual partisan difficulty, but nothing on the order of what we are seeing.
 
2014-07-24 08:55:10 AM  
So Boehner's pro human trafficking of children.  Good to know.
 
2014-07-24 08:58:25 AM  

Nabb1: incendi: In theory, I agree with Boehner. Treating the symptoms isn't going to solve the problem, you have to address the root cause. In practice, I expect they'll have some completely idiotic, potato-level assessment of what the root cause is and demand some completely farktarded "solution" that will be in direct opposition to America's core values of liberty, equality, and justice, and when Obama doesn't go for it, they'll use that as an excuse to do something stupid and make the problem worse.

Well, if we have to be grown-ups, I have to say I agree with much of that. I think, though, if you put Boehner and Obama in a room off the record, they would probably agree with each other on a lot of immigration policy issues, but the damned tea party zealots have created a huge rift in the Republican party over immigration. That rift, of course, is one area where Boehner's leadership failures are apparent. There are a number of Republicans with rational, pragmatic views of immigration, but they tend to get "primaried" these days, see, e.g. Eric Cantor. Absent the tea party, I think Obama and Boehner would probably work out something, not without some of the usual partisan difficulty, but nothing on the order of what we are seeing.


I'm not so sure there's really a rift in the GOP over immigration. As part of a larger riff about why the term "moderate" is counterproductive, Ezra Klein highlighted a survey into people's general policy positions of Americans on thirteen different issues. One issue the survey asked about was immigration. The option supported by a plurality of the survey takers was to deport every single undocumented immigrant immediately and shut the borders to even legal immigration until the border is as secure as the Korean DMZ.

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293/l ets-stop-using-the-word-moderate
 
2014-07-24 09:03:43 AM  
If we are being "invaded" as a lot of congresscritters have claimed, they could (try to) do something their constitution fetish explicitly allows them to. And if iirc, there is nothing the president can do about it.

/but laugh
 
2014-07-24 09:06:41 AM  

Serious Black: The option supported by a plurality of the survey takers was to deport every single undocumented immigrant immediately and shut the borders to even legal immigration until the border is as secure as the Korean DMZ.


See this is what I don't understand about them. We spent 50 years "fighting" a country who did exactly this, why the f*ck do we want to emulate them and that *this* is the lesson we learn from them, how to better keep people both in and out of the country

Do you assholes not remember all the bloviating you did when the Soviets put up the Berlin Wall? And then when they fortified the Berlin Wall? Goddamn, it wasn't *that* long ago in our history. Hell, your favorite farking president's most famous speech is about tearing down the f*cking wall.

I don't care that you want to secure our borders or enact some horribly awful measures to keep the nation pure or whatever, but come on! At least put rub two braincells together and try to remember that you fought the Soviets, not wanted to be them!
 
2014-07-24 09:12:57 AM  

somedude210: At least put rub two braincells together and try to remember that you fought the Soviets, not wanted to be them!


It was Soviet philosophies that they disagreed with, not their tactics, it seems.
 
2014-07-24 09:13:20 AM  
If only Boehner wasn't so impotent when it comes to things like passing a law to amend the immigration policy he wouldn't have to go crying to Obama.
 
2014-07-24 09:13:42 AM  
You know who else gave me a boner?
 
2014-07-24 09:14:41 AM  
Please proceed...
 
2014-07-24 09:15:25 AM  
All the border stuff lately is obviously about working up the GOP base but the demographics are getting to the point where that could backfire by getting a bunch of Hispanic voters pissed off over all the extremist and racist rhetoric.
 
2014-07-24 09:15:36 AM  

PreMortem: If we are being "invaded" as a lot of congresscritters have claimed, they could (try to) do something their constitution fetish explicitly allows them to. And if iirc, there is nothing the president can do about it.

/but laugh


Eh, most of the "Patriots" raising alarms about "invasions" probably want military action.
 
2014-07-24 09:15:56 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Boehner's not going to give Obama anything he wants anyway, so why should the President bother?


This!

If Obama found a cure for cancer and went to congress to get funding to make the cure available to the public they would turn him down and say the impact on Oncologists needs to be studied.
 
2014-07-24 09:16:38 AM  
If you change that law that W signed to make it mean that we can use refugee Latin children in place of clay traps at the shootin' club, we totes promise to give you some money to aid Latin refugee children.

We really mean it this time. We're totally arguing in good faith. Promise
 
2014-07-24 09:17:14 AM  

Headso: All the border stuff lately is obviously about working up the GOP base but the demographics are getting to the point where that could backfire by getting a bunch of Hispanic voters pissed off over all the extremist and racist rhetoric.


There's a distinct possibility this will work out as well as the government shutdown did for the GOP.
 
2014-07-24 09:17:53 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It was Soviet philosophies that they disagreed with, not their tactics, it seems.


but they're goddamn patron saint of awesome made his most famous speech telling them to tear down the f*cking wall!!! What the hell kind of cognitive dissonance is this? Can they not see that by agreeing to this, they are no worse than the damn communists they rail against?

/for f*ck's sake, liberals aren't the enemy of freedom
//the assholes advocating for a border wall are
 
2014-07-24 09:18:23 AM  

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2014-07-24 09:18:32 AM  

Nabb1: incendi: In theory, I agree with Boehner. Treating the symptoms isn't going to solve the problem, you have to address the root cause. In practice, I expect they'll have some completely idiotic, potato-level assessment of what the root cause is and demand some completely farktarded "solution" that will be in direct opposition to America's core values of liberty, equality, and justice, and when Obama doesn't go for it, they'll use that as an excuse to do something stupid and make the problem worse.

Well, if we have to be grown-ups, I have to say I agree with much of that. I think, though, if you put Boehner and Obama in a room off the record, they would probably agree with each other on a lot of immigration policy issues, but the damned tea party zealots have created a huge rift in the Republican party over immigration. That rift, of course, is one area where Boehner's leadership failures are apparent. There are a number of Republicans with rational, pragmatic views of immigration, but they tend to get "primaried" these days, see, e.g. Eric Cantor. Absent the tea party, I think Obama and Boehner would probably work out something, not without some of the usual partisan difficulty, but nothing on the order of what we are seeing.


I'm still waiting for somebody in the "moderate" GOP camp to grow a pair and stand up to the tea partiers once and for all.  Until they do, I'm not sure whether it's cowardice or tacit agreement with tea party policies that's keeping the "moderate" GOPers quiet on immigration.
 
2014-07-24 09:20:24 AM  

Headso: All the border stuff lately is obviously about working up the GOP base but the demographics are getting to the point where that could backfire by getting a bunch of Hispanic voters pissed off over all the extremist and racist rhetoric.


Like they were going to vote Republitard in the first place.
 
2014-07-24 09:21:39 AM  

Nabb1: incendi: In theory, I agree with Boehner. Treating the symptoms isn't going to solve the problem, you have to address the root cause. In practice, I expect they'll have some completely idiotic, potato-level assessment of what the root cause is and demand some completely farktarded "solution" that will be in direct opposition to America's core values of liberty, equality, and justice, and when Obama doesn't go for it, they'll use that as an excuse to do something stupid and make the problem worse.

Well, if we have to be grown-ups, I have to say I agree with much of that. I think, though, if you put Boehner and Obama in a room off the record, they would probably agree with each other on a lot of immigration policy issues, but the damned tea party zealots have created a huge rift in the Republican party over immigration. That rift, of course, is one area where Boehner's leadership failures are apparent. There are a number of Republicans with rational, pragmatic views of immigration, but they tend to get "primaried" these days, see, e.g. Eric Cantor. Absent the tea party, I think Obama and Boehner would probably work out something, not without some of the usual partisan difficulty, but nothing on the order of what we are seeing.


funny stuff, here in TN the political commercials have all been 100% nonstop "i'm more conservative than that asshole!" "no, i'm more conservative than that other asshole!" "oh yeah? well i'm the most conserving conservationist conservative in the history of mankind!", and now sarah palin has gotten involved, oh and did i mention victoria jackson wants power here? i feel like i'm on the titanic
 
2014-07-24 09:21:46 AM  

Serious Black: I'm not so sure there's really a rift in the GOP over immigration. As part of a larger riff about why the term "moderate" is counterproductive, Ezra Klein highlighted a survey into people's general policy positions of Americans on thirteen different issues. One issue the survey asked about was immigration. The option supported by a plurality of the survey takers was to deport every single undocumented immigrant immediately and shut the borders to even legal immigration until the border is as secure as the Korean DMZ.

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/8/5878293/l ets-stop-using-the-word-moderate


I guess I should have said "a rift in the GOP in the House." Sad that most people hold a hard line position on immigration. I've given up on Washington doing anything. To much rhetoric and politicking.
 
2014-07-24 09:21:58 AM  

somedude210: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: It was Soviet philosophies that they disagreed with, not their tactics, it seems.

but they're goddamn patron saint of awesome made his most famous speech telling them to tear down the f*cking wall!!! What the hell kind of cognitive dissonance is this? Can they not see that by agreeing to this, they are no worse than the damn communists they rail against?

/for f*ck's sake, liberals aren't the enemy of freedom
//the assholes advocating for a border wall are


No, they can't. They don't see immigration as an issue of liberty (or free markets) even though locking up the borders and throwing away the key is one of the most oppressive government regulations of a market I can think of.
 
2014-07-24 09:25:44 AM  
The $2.6 billion house immigration bill includes $300 million to investigate possible wrongdoing by the Obama administration, $2 billion in corporate tax cuts to offset possible negative effects of the immigration problem and the balance goes directly to Greyhound for one way tickets.

Seriously, an eight year old doesn't decide to walk across Central America without a good reason.
 
2014-07-24 09:25:57 AM  

Serious Black: No, they can't. They don't see immigration as an issue of liberty (or free markets) even though locking up the borders and throwing away the key is one of the most oppressive government regulations of a market I can think of.


is there a moderate/liberal GOP senator/congresscritter that we could get to do an improvised version of Reagan's "tear down this wall" speech on the floor of the Senate/House?

CSPAN will get the best ratings in years....

AdamK: i feel like i'm on the titanic


come join us in MA, or anywhere in New England
/mind you, we do have an opioid epidemic
 
2014-07-24 09:26:02 AM  
 But Boehner was cagey about which, if any, proposals would come up for a House vote in the 6 remaining working days before Congress adjourns for a five-week summer recess.

So he's demanding the president take up proposals that even he's not sure he wants to support.

This is Charlie Brown with a football nonsense. He wants Obama to agree to these things so they he can then say no to all of them.
 
2014-07-24 09:27:00 AM  

Cheron: The $2.6 billion house immigration bill includes $300 million to investigate possible wrongdoing by the Obama administration, $2 billion in corporate tax cuts to offset possible negative effects of the immigration problem and the balance goes directly to Greyhound for one way tickets.

Seriously, an eight year old doesn't decide to walk across Central America without a good reason.


$300 million would not be nearly enough to get all of the undocumented immigrants in this country out.
 
2014-07-24 09:28:38 AM  
fark these assholes.  The 2008 bill that Boehner wants to change was passed in 2008 unanimously in the House and Senate, when him and McTurtle were there to vote.  If they didn't like it, they should have objected to it then.
 
2014-07-24 09:28:45 AM  
I am certain, based upon past history, that the President, with Senate Democrats, will be able to engage in a meaningful, calm and rational discussion with House Republicans and that, through that dialog, a meaningful and good-faith compromise deal can be negotiated which, while not perfect, will be satisfactory to members of both parties and thus will easily pass through both houses of Congress.
 
2014-07-24 09:29:15 AM  

monoski: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Boehner's not going to give Obama anything he wants anyway, so why should the President bother?

This!

If Obama found a cure for cancer and went to congress to get funding to make the cure available to the public they would turn him down and say the impact on Oncologists needs to be studied.


Hell, if Obama increased the number of drone strikes against terrorists in the Middle East, conservatives would still claim that he was betraying Israel and favoring his Muslin brothers.

/Hypothetically, of course. . .
 
2014-07-24 09:31:07 AM  
 You know who else gave an ultimatum over a border?

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2014-07-24 09:31:24 AM  

Dimensio: I am certain, based upon past history, that the President, with Senate Democrats, will be able to engage in a meaningful, calm and rational discussion with House Republicans and that, through that dialog, a meaningful and good-faith compromise deal can be negotiated which, while not perfect, will be satisfactory to members of both parties and thus will easily pass through both houses of Congress.


I am certain that you are high on some ridiculously awesome drugs and that I want to know who your dealer is so I can get my hands on some of that powerful shiat myself.
 
2014-07-24 09:31:50 AM  
Facing a divided House Republican conference and no clear path forward on legislation to address the border crisis, Speaker John Boehner is giving President Barack Obama an ultimatum: support reforms to toughen up border controls or we won't give you any money to deal with the humanitarian crisis involving child migrants from Central America.


Basically Boner is telling Obama, "Unless you do my job I won't give you the money you need to do your job."
 
2014-07-24 09:32:10 AM  
If only there were some person in the House who was responsible for getting legislation passed. This would clearly be an important role that requires a competent and capable individual who is able to garner respect from Representatives in both parties to do their job, so they should probably be selected by some sort of election in the House.
 
2014-07-24 09:32:13 AM  

somedude210: Can they not see that by agreeing to this, they are no worse than the damn communists they rail against?


No, because Freedom.
 
2014-07-24 09:33:15 AM  

stpauler: If only Boehner wasn't so impotent when it comes to things like passing a law to amend the immigration policy he wouldn't have to go crying to Obama.


I think it's a fair criticism that Reid's opposition To changing the 2008 law does result in trying to fix this being much harder. However, I'd love to see if Boehner could pass a bill funding expedited processing in exchange for rolling back the individual hearing clause going forward. I really doubt House Republicans would pass something like that unless it also included a clause requiring building a damn fence or includes the standard demand that all funds are on hold until the Administration can prove illegal immigration has been handled (apparently a ~50% reduction in recent years does not meet their definition of "handled").
 
2014-07-24 09:33:18 AM  
I think the answer is obvious: Obama should impose a $15/hour minimum wage on all of Central and South America. When even the poorest of them make $30K a year, they won't have to smuggle drugs, the drug gangs and their violence will disappear, people won't have to break in to the US for economic opportunity, and all will be well. I don't know why he hasn't thought of this before. Must be too busy attending fundraisers.
 
2014-07-24 09:34:10 AM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Boehner's not going to give Obama anything he wants anyway, so why should the President bother?


Really. Not much of a threat. For a Boehner, he's pretty impotent.
 
2014-07-24 09:34:51 AM  

JusticeandIndependence: You know who else gave me a boner?


RON PAUL!
 
2014-07-24 09:35:17 AM  

KingKauff: Headso: All the border stuff lately is obviously about working up the GOP base but the demographics are getting to the point where that could backfire by getting a bunch of Hispanic voters pissed off over all the extremist and racist rhetoric.

Like they were going to vote Republitard in the first place.


There's plenty of Latin conservatives, Cubans in particular. It wouldn't be hard to imagine even first gen immigrants who got here "the right way" that resent the influx of illegals and voting R in turn.

Not saying I agree with that assessment, mind you. Just not hard to imagine it.
 
2014-07-24 09:35:38 AM  

Cheron: The $2.6 billion house immigration bill includes $300 million to investigate possible wrongdoing by the Obama administration


Didn't the Starr Commission that investigated Clinton only cost $30 million?
 
2014-07-24 09:36:18 AM  

ManateeGag: The President shouldn't negotiate with terrorists.

 
2014-07-24 09:37:04 AM  

jjorsett: I think the answer is obvious: Obama should impose a $15/hour minimum wage on all of Central and South America. When even the poorest of them make $30K a year, they won't have to smuggle drugs, the drug gangs and their violence will disappear, people won't have to break in to the US for economic opportunity, and all will be well. I don't know why he hasn't thought of this before. Must be too busy attending fundraisers.


I think the answer is obvious: Obama should use his magical time machine to go back to when your mom was pregnant with you and Falcon Punch her right in the gut.
 
2014-07-24 09:38:37 AM  
FTFA: "Frankly, it is difficult to see how we can make progress on this issue without strong, public support from the White House for much-needed reforms, including changes to the 2008 law," the Ohio Republican wrote in a letter to the president on Wednesday afternoon. He signaled the House "will not support providing additional money unless you work with both parties to address the causes of this tragedy."

This is all just paper waving on Boner's part. He CLAIMS that he wants to work in a bipartisan manner to address this "tragedy", but what he really means is that if the President refuses gut the 2008 law, Boner gets to wave the paper in front of the cameras and loudly claim the President REFUSES to help those poor, lonely children at the border.

If the President DOES agree to gut the 2008 law, the GOP gets to claim victory.

Heads I win; tails you lose. Ta da.
 
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