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2014-07-24 09:35:41 AM  
You didn't move left.

The country lurched right and where you were standing is now left.

As has been noted every couple of minutes or so on Fark for the last few years the right moving right after Clinton moved to the center in the 90 shifted the Overton window to such a degree that positions were once held by mainstream Republicans are now held by Dems. The onslaught of the Tea Partiers in 2010 moved the GOP even further right a trend that continues to this day.

That all noted, what specific reasons would a former WSJ reporter and writer of books about the military have for identifying with the left?

*clicks link*

The Iraq war fiasco? The torture scandal? The use of lawless mercenaries? Intelligence officials run amok? Growing income equality?

Yeah, those are some pretty good reasons.
 
2014-07-24 09:54:38 AM  
But... if your left leg worked "better" than the right one, you'd be making right turns.
 
2014-07-24 10:36:43 AM  

the_rev: But... if your left leg worked "better" than the right one, you'd be making right turns.


I was thinking of more power to the left leg, not necessarily a stopped tank track analogy. but thanks for ruining my headline, jerk :D
 
2014-07-24 10:42:18 AM  
I wasn't a liberal until the Fark Independents™ convinced me I was one
 
2014-07-24 10:46:39 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wasn't a liberal until the Fark Independents™ convinced me I was one


I wasn't a liberal until the Fark Independents convinced me to take a look at their policy suggestions :D
 
2014-07-24 10:47:57 AM  
Nascar drivers. smh.
 
2014-07-24 11:04:00 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I wasn't a liberal until the Fark Independents™ convinced me I was one


#yesallleftists
 
2014-07-24 11:23:58 AM  
I didn't move left or right. The left and right went authoritarian.

It doesn't help that I live in New York where choosing between left and right is like choosing between Mos Eisley and Detroit.
 
2014-07-24 12:34:06 PM  
The guy spent 25 years covering the military and politics, and he never figured out that it's just one party pretending to be two parties, or that its goal is total control? He doesn't know that torture has been official US policy (at least) since the creation of the OSS (later the CIA), which smuggled some of the most vile Nazis (see: Klaus Barbie) out of Germany after WW2 so that we could learn the science of torture from them, or that we even continued some of their most evil research (mkultra, mkdelta, artichoke, etc.) and applied it (phoenix, etc.)? And, yet, the guy made enough money in journalism to afford a summer house in Maine.

America... what a country!
 
2014-07-24 02:35:18 PM  

quatchi: You didn't move left.

The country lurched right and where you were standing is now left.


I wouldn't even say that the country moved as much as the voice of the country moved. It really isn't a big crowd over on what used to be the extreme right. They just got really loud.
 
2014-07-24 03:54:09 PM  
My grandparents were upset that Social Security and Medicare were now being considered 'entitlements'. They would defend the programs all while denouncing Obama and the liberal media and the evil liberals in Congress. With a straight face.
 
2014-07-24 03:54:09 PM  

quatchi: You didn't move left.

The country lurched right and where you were standing is now left.


i guess you could say he...

...got left behind

yeaaaaaaa
 
2014-07-24 03:56:13 PM  
Maybe you're not an ambi-turner?
 
2014-07-24 03:57:40 PM  

Gulper Eel: I didn't move left or right. The left and right went authoritarian.

It doesn't help that I live in New York where choosing between left and right is like choosing between Mos Eisley and Detroit.


Where we on the left have NYC and Chicago as examples of the left gone stupid.  The right have places like Louisiana and Oklahoma.

Difference is we on the left realize the stupid being done by our brethren and point it out.  The right are seemingly afraid to do so, lest they be ostracized.
 
2014-07-24 03:58:42 PM  

somedude210: I was thinking of more power to the left leg, not necessarily a stopped tank track analogy


if your left leg was more powerful than your right leg you would still turn to the right

i hope this helps
 
2014-07-24 03:59:17 PM  
the fact that these are seen as Right-vs-Left issues depresses me profoundly.

they're Right-Wrong issues, as in "torture is wrong.  full stop."
 
2014-07-24 03:59:30 PM  

Gulper Eel: The left and right went authoritarian.


Seriously, what is it about the need to make "both sides" judgments in lieu of attacking the real problem--social conservatism?

No, "the left" did not go "authoritarian." "The left" have little if any power in this country.

Dishonesty is a key component with this fallacy. It deflects any criticism of the ideology you embrace and points fingers and lays blame to people who aren't part of the problem.
 
2014-07-24 03:59:45 PM  
Uh huh. That's what happened. Last I checked, if you don't whip out your John Birch Society membership card as soon as somebody yells, "SEGGERGAYSHUN NAH-OWWWW SEGGERGAYSHUN FOH-EVUH!!!!', you're "THE LEFT."
 
2014-07-24 04:01:39 PM  

skyotter: the fact that these are seen as Right-vs-Left issues depresses me profoundly.

they're Right-Wrong issues, as in "torture is wrong.  full stop."


Well, blame the right for that.  Whenever you're against something they support, they see you as being on the left and therefore "wrong".

Granted, some of the left do that as well; hell, I've done it on occasion and had to check myself realizing that the person opposing the viewpoint I support wasn't someone on the right, but on the left as well.
 
2014-07-24 04:01:40 PM  
"I support the existence of the free market, so weird and wacky that I am also becoming more liberal!"
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-07-24 04:02:36 PM  
Wait, this isn't a NASCAR thread?
 
2014-07-24 04:03:02 PM  
the sad part is, we see all these mistakes being made but nothing being done to correct them and roughly half our population is fighting to keep the status quo.

were screwed until something unforeseen and out of the ordinary occurs.

/alien invasion?
//not those aliens either.
 
2014-07-24 04:03:44 PM  
<<<<In my late 50s, at a time of life when most people are supposed to be drifting into a cautious conservatism >>>>>

Urban Legend. People actually become more liberal as they age.
http://news.discovery.com/human/psychology/voter-conservative-aging- li beral-120119.htm
 
2014-07-24 04:04:28 PM  

Jackson Herring: "I support the existence of the free market, so weird and wacky that I am also becoming more liberal!"


But all it would take is a discussion on govt regulation of big business and the old talking points would come back, to great lulz. Also, progressive taxation. Always a hoot.
 
2014-07-24 04:05:29 PM  
Sounds like my wife.  One leg is just a hair longer than the other so she invariably walks in an arc.  Cannot for the life of her walk a straight line.

/dont ask her about he lazy left eye.
 
2014-07-24 04:06:26 PM  

Isitoveryet: the sad part is, we see all these mistakes being made but nothing being done to correct them and roughly half our population is fighting to keep the status quo.

were screwed until something unforeseen and out of the ordinary occurs.

/alien invasion?
//not those aliens either.


We are the aliens. And we've invaded ourselves.
 
2014-07-24 04:06:45 PM  
i don't support murdering all white christians, yet I found myself drifting leftwards
 
2014-07-24 04:06:47 PM  

EyeballKid: SEGGERGAYSHUN NAH-OWWWW SEGGERGAYSHUN FOH-EVUH!!!!


Y'all forgot SEGGERGAYSHUN TUHMORRUH!!!

i2.cdn.turner.com

 
2014-07-24 04:07:08 PM  
I didn't realize Rip Van Winkle was still writing.
 
2014-07-24 04:07:22 PM  
The older I become the more liberal I get as I realize much of the conservative fearmongering is just so much BS.
 
2014-07-24 04:11:53 PM  
Not really moving Left or Right here. Its more moving away.
 
2014-07-24 04:12:07 PM  
I don't know much about politics, that's why I got this song
One of my legs is shorter than the other and both of my feet's too long.

/got nuthin
 
2014-07-24 04:15:39 PM  

whidbey: Gulper Eel: The left and right went authoritarian.

Seriously, what is it about the need to make "both sides" judgments in lieu of attacking the real problem--social conservatism?

No, "the left" did not go "authoritarian." "The left" have little if any power in this country.

Dishonesty is a key component with this fallacy. It deflects any criticism of the ideology you embrace and points fingers and lays blame to people who aren't part of the problem.


That way, they can feel better that they voted Republican...because, you know, limosine liberals and such.
 
2014-07-24 04:18:24 PM  

Nadie_AZ: My grandparents were upset that Social Security and Medicare were now being considered 'entitlements'. They would defend the programs all while denouncing Obama and the liberal media and the evil liberals in Congress. With a straight face.


But that's what entitlements always have been.  You've paid into them and you're entitled to the benefit...*scratchy head*  I've never understood why people consider 'entitlements' a bad thing.
 
2014-07-24 04:20:02 PM  

phlegmmo: EyeballKid: SEGGERGAYSHUN NAH-OWWWW SEGGERGAYSHUN FOH-EVUH!!!!

Y'all forgot SEGGERGAYSHUN TUHMORRUH!!![i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]


Well, what did you expect? I  am with "THE LEFT."
 
2014-07-24 04:21:00 PM  
Let's not sit here and pretend the democratic party is a leftist party.  More left than republicans, sure, but by no means a leftist party.
 
2014-07-24 04:21:02 PM  

quatchi: The Iraq war fiasco? The torture scandal? The use of lawless mercenaries? Intelligence officials run amok? Growing income equality?

Yeah, those are some pretty good reasons.


Too bad he wasn't more vocal about them when they happened.

Better late than never, I guess. Even if the horse is long gone, it's kinda silly to keep the barn door swinging in the wind.
 
2014-07-24 04:21:16 PM  

Combustion: whidbey: Gulper Eel: The left and right went authoritarian.

Seriously, what is it about the need to make "both sides" judgments in lieu of attacking the real problem--social conservatism?

No, "the left" did not go "authoritarian." "The left" have little if any power in this country.

Dishonesty is a key component with this fallacy. It deflects any criticism of the ideology you embrace and points fingers and lays blame to people who aren't part of the problem.

That way, they can feel better that they voted Republican...because, you know, limosine liberals and such.


Al Gore. I hear he has Chilean sea bass quite regularly.
 
2014-07-24 04:21:53 PM  

gadian: But that's what entitlements always have been. You've paid into them and you're entitled to the benefit...*scratchy head* I've never understood why people consider 'entitlements' a bad thing.


Because Uppity People might think they're entitled to things. Society will just fall apart then.
 
2014-07-24 04:22:29 PM  

FarkedOver: Let's not sit here and pretend the democratic party is a leftist party.  More left than republicans, sure, but by no means a leftist party.


Well no, not like it was in the late 70s/early 80s.  It's more moderate than left.
 
2014-07-24 04:23:48 PM  

Gulper Eel: I didn't move left or right. The left and right went authoritarian.

It doesn't help that I live in New York where choosing between left and right is like choosing between Mos Eisley and Detroit.


I know you're disillusioned and all, but New York is doing a little better than Detroit. Visit sometime; you probably won't get mugged :)

That said, with New York being the biggest center of finance in the Western Hemisphere, it's not really that liberal on a lot of things, especially with Bloomberg's crypto-neo-liberal legacy.
 
2014-07-24 04:24:41 PM  

quatchi: That all noted, what specific reasons would a former WSJ reporter and writer of books about the military have for identifying with the left?

*clicks link*

The Iraq war fiasco? The torture scandal? The use of lawless mercenaries? Intelligence officials run amok? Growing income equality?

Yeah, those are some pretty good reasons.



Rupert Murdoch buying out the WSJ and turning it into Fox News for the rich?  Also a good reason.
 
2014-07-24 04:24:49 PM  

FarkedOver: Let's not sit here and pretend the democratic party is a leftist party.  More left than republicans, sure, but by no means a leftist party.


You would deny this dichotomy to the 24 hour televised news stations?  You, sir, are a radical.
 
2014-07-24 04:26:00 PM  

whidbey: No, "the left" did not go "authoritarian." "The left" have little if any power in this country.


While the whole "both parties are the same" and "we only really have one party" talk is BS, there is a little validity to what he said in that many of Democrats at the top of the food chain are authoritarians and/or are more than happy to sell out the interests of the people in favor of corporate interests.

On average Democrats are demonstrably better for this country, but it doesn't help to pretend that we don't have any house cleaning to do.
 
2014-07-24 04:27:09 PM  

quatchi: You didn't move left.

The country lurched right and where you were standing is now left.

As has been noted every couple of minutes or so on Fark for the last few years the right moving right after Clinton moved to the center in the 90 shifted the Overton window to such a degree that positions were once held by mainstream Republicans are now held by Dems. The onslaught of the Tea Partiers in 2010 moved the GOP even further right a trend that continues to this day.

That all noted, what specific reasons would a former WSJ reporter and writer of books about the military have for identifying with the left?

*clicks link*

The Iraq war fiasco? The torture scandal? The use of lawless mercenaries? Intelligence officials run amok? Growing income equality?

Yeah, those are some pretty good reasons.


This. For the last 30-40 years, Republicans have defined the political center as wherever they're standing at any particular time. And for at least the last 20 years, they've been moving further to the right, always demanding that the Democrats meet them in the middle, except that's no longer the middle.

By pandering to the radical right, the Republicans normalized the radicals and radicalized the normals. Thus, the simplest, most sensible solutions like universal healthcare and alternative energy become "too extreme" for the nation.

In the 60s and 70s, protecting and preserving the environment was something everybody agreed on. Now, it's a "far left" idea. The slogan "Don't mess with Texas" referred to this environmental movement.
 
2014-07-24 04:27:29 PM  
In 1976, disgusted with The Movement, and the New Left, I joined the seminal Libertarian Party. I stopped donating to the party in 88, when they nominated RON PAUL!!, and left the party and registered unaffiliated in 2006.
Now, I find myself voting almost entirely for Democrats, with an occasional exception.
I don't think I've changed my views that much. The aging of the boomers, and their predominance at the polls has moved this country far, far to the right. We are into bad, dangerous, Weimar Republic territory.
So, people are starting to push back, and the pendulum will swing - that's how political history is written.
 
2014-07-24 04:28:15 PM  

FarkedOver: Let's not sit here and pretend the democratic party is a leftist party.  More left than republicans, sure, but by no means a leftist party.


No person with an ounce of perspective could argue against that statement.
 
2014-07-24 04:28:20 PM  

Rwa2play: FarkedOver: Let's not sit here and pretend the democratic party is a leftist party.  More left than republicans, sure, but by no means a leftist party.

Well no, not like it was in the late 70s/early 80s.  It's more moderate than left.


The Democratic Party had the same problems they have now: sucking up to the military industrial complex and big business.

I don't know if I'd call that "moderate."
 
2014-07-24 04:31:22 PM  

gadian: Nadie_AZ: My grandparents were upset that Social Security and Medicare were now being considered 'entitlements'. They would defend the programs all while denouncing Obama and the liberal media and the evil liberals in Congress. With a straight face.

But that's what entitlements always have been.  You've paid into them and you're entitled to the benefit...*scratchy head*  I've never understood why people consider 'entitlements' a bad thing.


Because they're scared that someone else might get the big piece of chicken or two scoops of ice cream to their one.
 
2014-07-24 04:31:46 PM  

Arkanaut: Gulper Eel: I didn't move left or right. The left and right went authoritarian.

It doesn't help that I live in New York where choosing between left and right is like choosing between Mos Eisley and Detroit.

I know you're disillusioned and all, but New York is doing a little better than Detroit. Visit sometime; you probably won't get mugged :)

That said, with New York being the biggest center of finance in the Western Hemisphere, it's not really that liberal on a lot of things, especially with Bloomberg's crypto-neo-liberal legacy.


That much is true.
 
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