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(Slate)   The Methodist church may split in the middle because of homosexuality   (slate.com) divider line 172
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2014-07-24 09:08:03 AM  
You think a church founded by a cross dresser would be more open.
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2014-07-24 09:34:23 AM  
I'm sure this thread will be a beacon of reasoned discussion grounded in a thorough reading of the relevant theological and biblical scholarship, and in no way will end up stinking of emotional hyperbole, vitriolic hatred, shallow posturing, and unthinking recitation of talking points.

/popcorn
 
2014-07-24 09:53:55 AM  
God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

/did I get that right?
 
2014-07-24 09:58:03 AM  
FTA: "I'm 31," he said. "My generation of pastors is almost unanimous in its support of gay marriage. ... We're one generation, one group of retirements away from changing it."

Cool.

Megachurches want to continue to be megachurches, and part of that means being tied to this conservative, evangelical mindset.

Not cool.

There's a madness to that kind of Methodism.

Son of Thunder: I'm sure this thread will be a beacon of reasoned discussion grounded in a thorough reading of the relevant theological and biblical scholarship, and in no way will end up stinking of emotional hyperbole, vitriolic hatred, shallow posturing, and unthinking recitation of talking points.


I too look forward to a thoughtful, well reasoned debate with enlightened responses, trenchant observations, logical assertions and above all an air of civility and graciousness from all participating parties.

/popcorn.

/Gonna need more butter.
 
2014-07-24 10:03:23 AM  
I'm a Methodist and I think this divide is stupid
 
2014-07-24 10:12:41 AM  
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
 
2014-07-24 10:14:07 AM  

texdent: I'm a Methodist and I think this divide is stupid


I am, and I do too. But over the last 20 years or so, the church has pulled in more and more folks who just aren't interested in what the church teaches. I'm not even talking about being on board with our calls for social justice, or equality, or other high-minded concepts that take some understanding in the Methodist and Wesleyan context,

Scholarship, humility, small-group study. These are pretty cornerstone to Methodism. We got a lot of folks into the church that want permanent ministers, mega-churche building campaigns, and are hostile to the entire idea they could learn more about their, and other, religions. These folks never touch the Discipline and love to get involved in church decisions.

I think it's stupid too, but two decades of trying to reach all the ones at the church I grew up in, I had to leave. But hey, that's the history of Methodism, "We're tired of your crap, we're going across the street and making our own Methodist church. You're welcome to come along, just bring a covered dish."
 
2014-07-24 10:17:06 AM  

texdent: I'm a Methodist and I think this divide is stupid


I've been hanging with the Anglicans lately, and given the situation with the Anglicans/Episcopalians in the US and Canada, I think a Methodist divide is a sad inevitability.
 
2014-07-24 10:31:00 AM  
So this will make what, 30,001 Christian denominations?
 
2014-07-24 10:44:34 AM  
The issue will be put to rest when the African delegations get a proportionate number of representatives to the 2016 conference which they were denied at the 2012 conference. The African delegations are all consistently more conservative/traditional than their American counterparts. The Western conferences of the U.S. which is where much of the push for change is coming from is also the fastest declining part of the church. Numbers always win out in the end. The democratic mob rule says so. If it works one way, it can work the other.
 
2014-07-24 10:45:35 AM  
"Hey remember when southern baptists split off to endorse slavery?"
"Yeah."
"We need something like that so that people can identify us as intolerably evil people for a few generations"
"kay."
 
2014-07-24 10:45:55 AM  

texdent: I'm a Methodist and I think this divide is stupid


My Grandmother turned Methodist, and the folks at those churches were some of the kindest, most giving, most generous folks I've ever seen. Most of my Bible Study was done in Methodist churches and programs, and I think I got lucky in that.

palladiate: I think it's stupid too, but two decades of trying to reach all the ones at the church I grew up in, I had to leave. But hey, that's the history of Methodism, "We're tired of your crap, we're going across the street and making our own Methodist church. You're welcome to come along, just bring a covered dish."


And this is pretty much the issue with a lot of Protestant churches. There are divisions all the time. Massachusetts if filled with Congregational churches founded by splits, and it spread this sort of thing across New England. The Methodists will survive, and that's part of the issue that I have with folks who speak on the issue as a matter of religious freedom--the idea that folks have to tolerate their bigotry, because it's their faith--when in fact there are a LOT of folks of faith who aren't on that side of the fence. The faithful aren't in lockstep. There are ministers and pastors and congregations where homosexuals are welcome and part of their community. The UUs have made acceptance and welcoming folks as a part of their doctrine, and simply because one has faith, doesn't mean that they despise certain folks. For every pastor and congregation that uses their pulpit to preach on exclusion and holding onto their values there are others who use it to preach on inclusion and acceptance and compassion and holding on these these values. It's not a monolithic bloc, where persons of faith all hate the same things, and all love the same things. That's part of why we have this pesky freedom of religion, so that folks can exercise their faith freely. All the different stripes and colors and flavors.

I support folks who don't want to perform weddings in their own churches. I support pastors who won't perform such ceremonies, because they don't believe it's right. That's their faith, and while I don't agree with their train of thought, it's not up to me to tell them what to do in their own church. The other side of the coin, is that I don't think that they have any right to tell any other church what to do in their's. Or what those who hold to another faith, or even those who don't have any. Tend to your own flock, and let others tend to their's. Disagreements occur, on interpretation, in matters of doctrine, and we can all live together if we respect one another enough to let folks disagree and still recognize that even with these disagreements, we are still a nation together of disparate and variegated peoples.
 
2014-07-24 10:45:59 AM  
"Die, Heretic!" (tosses him off the bridge)

/took care of that joke...
 
2014-07-24 10:46:30 AM  
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2014-07-24 10:46:42 AM  
Divide and conquer!
 
2014-07-24 10:49:37 AM  
Isn't this the history of the entire Christian every religion?

"You guys are doing it wrong! I'm gonna build my own church/temple/whatever, and it's gonna be way cooler than yours!"

FTFM
 
2014-07-24 10:50:08 AM  
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2014-07-24 10:50:14 AM  
You know what else is split in the middle?

A butt.
 
2014-07-24 10:51:49 AM  
Let's get this out right now:
www.austinchronicle.com
 
2014-07-24 10:52:21 AM  
And then the two factions will scissor each other?
 
2014-07-24 10:52:57 AM  
LOL Protestants.

Truth doesn't arise by democratic vote, guys.
 
2014-07-24 10:52:59 AM  
Isn't one of the Methodist church's big advertising points that they're welcome to all people and no perfect people are allowed? I've seen TV ads to that effect. There's a methodist church down the street that flies a rainbow flag in June for the "Pride" events, too.
 
2014-07-24 10:53:01 AM  

Badgers: You know what else is split in the middle?

A butt.


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2014-07-24 10:53:11 AM  

stpauler: You think a church founded by a cross dresser would be more open.
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His motto was "Keep the Cross in cross-dressing!"
 
2014-07-24 10:53:59 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


redqueencoder.com
 
2014-07-24 10:54:51 AM  
Our small country UM church (on average about 20 people attend Sunday services) has an old gay lady as one of the members.  She even goes to conferences on behalf of the church.

I don't think I have ever heard any message other then the general "live like Jesus" and love everybody teachings.  Our interim preacher is an English teacher at the local High School and sneaked in a few Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy references into his last sermon.

/would never go to a Megachurch
 
2014-07-24 10:55:42 AM  

Son of Thunder: I'm sure this thread will be a beacon of reasoned discussion grounded in a thorough reading of the relevant theological and biblical scholarship, and in no way will end up stinking of emotional hyperbole, vitriolic hatred, shallow posturing, and unthinking recitation of talking points.

/popcorn


I don't give a fark what the bible says, when it promotes something as immoral as descriminating based on sexuality.  Same goes for theological and biblical scholarship.  I get my morality from my common sense, and this rule.  "Does this behavior promote harm or well being, or is it neutrual.
 
2014-07-24 10:56:26 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


The part of the church that wants to stone homosexuals is the same one that has a problem with one man's stones touching another man.
 
2014-07-24 10:56:46 AM  
Catching not Pitching?
 
2014-07-24 10:56:54 AM  

Son of Thunder: texdent: I'm a Methodist and I think this divide is stupid

I've been hanging with the Anglicans lately, and given the situation with the Anglicans/Episcopalians in the US and Canada, I think a Methodist divide is a sad inevitability.


Regrettable, but maybe not the worst thing.  I was raised Methodist, and some of it stuck.  The church I grew up in was very inclusive, and I am kind of shocked that there is a section of the faith that is THAT dug in on this key issue.  I don't think it will be as severe as you might think, since the divide is kind of an America/Africa thing.  The groups don't interact THAT much anyway.
 
2014-07-24 10:56:56 AM  

shanrick: God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

/did I get that right?


Yup, Adam and Eve. And they had two boys. Cain and Able, but Cain was a bit of a bad ass and killed Able. Then they populated the earth.
 
2014-07-24 10:57:46 AM  

StRalphTheLiar: Marcus Aurelius: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


Can I have some pebbles, mum?
 
2014-07-24 10:58:40 AM  
This is just all part of the Zionists master plan.
 
2014-07-24 11:01:10 AM  
I do have a test today, that wasn't bullshiat. It's on European socialism. I mean, really, what's the point? I'm not European. I don't plan on being European. So who gives a crap if they're socialists? They could be fascist anarchists, it still doesn't change the fact that I don't own a car.
 
2014-07-24 11:01:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


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Got him!
 
2014-07-24 11:03:59 AM  

Unoriginal_Username: shanrick: God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

/did I get that right?

Yup, Adam and Eve. And they had two boys. Cain and Able, but Cain was a bit of a bad ass and killed Able. Then they populated the earth.


You forgot Seth.

// who apparently had 33 sons and 23 daughters
// and lived to age 912, probably to pay off all those college loans
 
2014-07-24 11:04:20 AM  
Monetary offerings to the church do not care who you bang.
 
2014-07-24 11:04:29 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


You won't catch anything if you cast a stone.  I like using worms and frogs.  The bass go nuts for frogs.  Stones, not so much
 
2014-07-24 11:05:02 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.


If homosexual conduct is a sin because of a ban in Leviticus, then so is eating shellfish and wearing polyester-cotton blends.

/It's not a sin
//Still waiting for an explanation as to how the Epistles of Paul are supposed to be some sort of divine rules a la the Ten Commandments. Paul was also against marriage, except as a last resort to avoid adultery.
 
2014-07-24 11:06:29 AM  
It's one thing to be a grown-ass adult with an imaginary friend, but do you really have to report, as news, the internal political struggles of your imaginary friend's fan club?
 
2014-07-24 11:06:40 AM  
It looks like homosexuality become a new battleground inside churches.
 
2014-07-24 11:06:49 AM  
I think subbs meant spread, not split, like how spreadable subbs mom is.
/jk, split works, good headline.
 
2014-07-24 11:06:56 AM  

hubiestubert: texdent: I'm a Methodist and I think this divide is stupid

My Grandmother turned Methodist, and the folks at those churches were some of the kindest, most giving, most generous folks I've ever seen. Most of my Bible Study was done in Methodist churches and programs, and I think I got lucky in that.

palladiate: I think it's stupid too, but two decades of trying to reach all the ones at the church I grew up in, I had to leave. But hey, that's the history of Methodism, "We're tired of your crap, we're going across the street and making our own Methodist church. You're welcome to come along, just bring a covered dish."

And this is pretty much the issue with a lot of Protestant churches. There are divisions all the time. Massachusetts if filled with Congregational churches founded by splits, and it spread this sort of thing across New England. The Methodists will survive, and that's part of the issue that I have with folks who speak on the issue as a matter of religious freedom--the idea that folks have to tolerate their bigotry, because it's their faith--when in fact there are a LOT of folks of faith who aren't on that side of the fence. The faithful aren't in lockstep. There are ministers and pastors and congregations where homosexuals are welcome and part of their community. The UUs have made acceptance and welcoming folks as a part of their doctrine, and simply because one has faith, doesn't mean that they despise certain folks. For every pastor and congregation that uses their pulpit to preach on exclusion and holding onto their values there are others who use it to preach on inclusion and acceptance and compassion and holding on these these values. It's not a monolithic bloc, where persons of faith all hate the same things, and all love the same things. That's part of why we have this pesky freedom of religion, so that folks can exercise their faith freely. All the different stripes and colors and flavors.

I support folks who don't want to perform weddings in t ...


All those people are going to Hell. Only this one particular group is right.
 
2014-07-24 11:07:01 AM  
Well that's gay.
 
2014-07-24 11:07:49 AM  

Chach: LOL Protestants.

Truth doesn't arise by democratic vote, guys.


So, it comes from an old guy in a dress?
 
2014-07-24 11:08:55 AM  
Suck it, Jesus!
 
2014-07-24 11:11:38 AM  

LazyMedia: Chach: LOL Protestants.

Truth doesn't arise by democratic vote, guys.

So, it comes from an old guy in a dress?


At least they're not bowing to the boy touchers in funny hats...
 
2014-07-24 11:12:56 AM  

Son of Thunder: I'm sure this thread will be a beacon of reasoned discussion grounded in a thorough reading of the relevant theological and biblical scholarship, and in no way will end up stinking of emotional hyperbole, vitriolic hatred, shallow posturing, and unthinking recitation of talking points.

/popcorn


Yes, because there are so many reason-based justifications for being a bigot.

*sarcasm detector: On*
 
2014-07-24 11:13:48 AM  
(gay) love will tear us apart
 
2014-07-24 11:16:31 AM  
The challenge is that while this seems simple, it is a very complex issue.  Especially the marriages, ceremonies, clergy question(s).  This is not black and white but infinite shades of grey

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