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2014-07-24 09:58:44 AM  
"You know that's called false valor? It is a federal crime for you to be wearing that uniform," one of the Marines tells the alleged impersonator, unintentionally revealing that the Marine hasn't read the Constitution or heard of US v. Alvarez.
 
2014-07-24 10:12:53 AM  
I found that painful to watch. The bullshiat from the fake SNCO was embarrassing.
 
2014-07-24 10:25:28 AM  
I wonder how they would have reacted if he just admitted it?
 
2014-07-24 10:36:19 AM  
It pains me that "core" couldn't have been worked into this headline.
 
2014-07-24 10:39:04 AM  
  I actually feel bad for a lot of these stolen valor people.  It's pretty clear that many of them have mental issues.
 
2014-07-24 10:47:02 AM  
Well all I know is, when I flew AC-130 gunships in the Core we wouldn't have stood for that.  We were proud soldiers and we would have drug his ass before Captain's Mass.
 
2014-07-24 10:50:17 AM  
that uniform didn't even really fit the guy
 
2014-07-24 10:58:22 AM  
I haven't been able to wear MY uniform since since the war. Even if I could, no one would hire me because of my war record. I know you think I'm the only one keeping that alive and for everyone else, its ancient history. But do you expect me to believe that?

Sure, you can tell me its the truth...that what's hurt me the most is my record since the war. Different cities, different jobs and not one of them shows I can accept any real responsibility.

Face it, I haven't been the same since I flew that last mission!!
 
2014-07-24 11:00:58 AM  
Who the fark impersonates a marine? That's a good way to get dead.
 
2014-07-24 11:06:00 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Who the fark impersonates a marine? That's a good way to get dead.


What would have been funny if it was a real sgt maj that just happened to get a little drunk before the service and lit the other two up.
 
2014-07-24 11:08:06 AM  

Crewmannumber6: Who the fark impersonates a marine? That's a good way to get dead.


As was mentioned before, someone with some mental issues. If found this video to just be sad.
 
2014-07-24 11:08:25 AM  
Wow.  Did that guy just go into an Army-Navy store and buy everything that looked good?  He looked like he put the full-size medals on randomly.

It's one thing to try to pass, but at least get yourself a copy of AR 670-1 if you want to be convincing.  ESPECIALLY if you want to pass as a sergeant major.
 
2014-07-24 11:12:43 AM  
Theatetus:
"You know that's called false valor? It is a federal crime for you to be wearing that uniform," one of the Marines tells the alleged impersonator, unintentionally revealing that the Marine hasn't read the Constitution or heard of US v. Alvarez.

...and you're apparently unfamiliar with the OTHER laws that cover wearing a military uniform or decorations when you've never served.

The original Stolen Valor was overturned, but the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 was passed - and signed by President Obama. It was only about claiming medals and decorations that you were not entitled to wear, anyway.

Title 10 U.S. Code § 771 still stands in either case. That's the one about wearing the uniform, and has never been overturned.
 
2014-07-24 11:13:47 AM  
I feel bad for the rest of the attendees of the funeral. There to say goodbye to their friend, and they have to put up with this shiat-show over a damn costume.
 
2014-07-24 11:20:12 AM  

MAJ Ethanolic: I actually feel bad for a lot of these stolen valor people.  It's pretty clear that many of them have mental issues.


Sergeant Major Manfrenjensenden may never get over Macho Grande.
 
2014-07-24 11:27:08 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I feel bad for the rest of the attendees of the funeral. There to say goodbye to their friend, and they have to put up with this shiat-show over a damn costume.


shiat-show? It's a couple of guys talking at a normal conversational level in the parking lot after the service. I doubt many of the other attendees even noticed.
 
2014-07-24 11:38:49 AM  
Heh remember that guy who pulled this on Fark?
 
2014-07-24 11:42:53 AM  
Now, how about the rest of us confront these idiots about their vertically shot video?
 
2014-07-24 11:54:34 AM  
I've gotten burned by a fake on the internet before, in the context of gaming groups.  Study enough Wikipedia pages and you can fool a lot of people.  It all fell apart for him when he said he was getting deployed, disappeared for a few months, and then said he had been wounded in Afghanistan.  There were enough real military in the group to spot the holes in the story and when confronted we never saw him again.

My point is, I'm not surprised.  People get off on this.
 
2014-07-24 11:57:42 AM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Well all I know is, when I flew AC-130 gunships in the Core we wouldn't have stood for that.  We were proud soldiers and we would have drug his ass before Captain's Mass.


/golfclap
 
2014-07-24 12:02:31 PM  
You mean I can't wear the Medal of Honor I bought at a garage sale? That's un-American.

/I was a 12 star general in the Coast Guard!
 
2014-07-24 12:18:19 PM  

cirby: Theatetus:
"You know that's called false valor? It is a federal crime for you to be wearing that uniform," one of the Marines tells the alleged impersonator, unintentionally revealing that the Marine hasn't read the Constitution or heard of US v. Alvarez.

...and you're apparently unfamiliar with the OTHER laws that cover wearing a military uniform or decorations when you've never served.

The original Stolen Valor was overturned, but the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 was passed - and signed by President Obama. It was only about claiming medals and decorations that you were not entitled to wear, anyway.


... if you bothered to read the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 before you rushed in to proudly show your ignorance, you'd see that it was about wearing medals "with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit".

Title 10 U.S. Code § 771 still stands in either case. That's the one about wearing the uniform, and has never been overturned.

It also has no criminal penalties, and has about as much force as 4 USC §8 - the regulation that says you can't wear the flag. So, Semper Fib, soldier!
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2014-07-24 12:27:44 PM  

buntz: Face it, I haven't been the same since I flew that last mission!!


Over Macho Grande?
 
2014-07-24 12:29:19 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Sergeant Major Manfrenjensenden may never get over Macho Grande.


damn it... I hadn't seen your post >_<
 
2014-07-24 12:30:30 PM  

cirby: Theatetus:
"You know that's called false valor? It is a federal crime for you to be wearing that uniform," one of the Marines tells the alleged impersonator, unintentionally revealing that the Marine hasn't read the Constitution or heard of US v. Alvarez.

...and you're apparently unfamiliar with the OTHER laws that cover wearing a military uniform or decorations when you've never served.

The original Stolen Valor was overturned, but the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 was passed - and signed by President Obama. It was only about claiming medals and decorations that you were not entitled to wear, anyway.

Title 10 U.S. Code § 771 still stands in either case. That's the one about wearing the uniform, and has never been overturned.


came to post this.
 
2014-07-24 12:33:01 PM  
The federal government can't charge you, but that doesn't mean you're immune to ass beatings by people who actually earned the uniform.
 
2014-07-24 12:33:24 PM  

unchellmatt: buntz: Face it, I haven't been the same since I flew that last mission!!

Over Macho Grande?


No I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande
 
2014-07-24 12:35:37 PM  
Many former Marines are LEOs (for good or ill) and they have this guy's tag.  Wouldn't be difficult to get a name and an address.
 
2014-07-24 12:38:35 PM  

RoxtarRyan: The federal government can't charge you, but that doesn't mean you're immune to ass beatings by people who actually earned the uniform.


Mind you, it'd be more than a wee bit hypocritical for someone who "fought for our freedoms" to beat someone up for exercising their freedom of speech.
 
2014-07-24 12:45:53 PM  
Now lets see them confront the people who lied them into Wars for Profit.
 
2014-07-24 12:50:48 PM  
Did he crash that funeral?

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2014-07-24 12:50:59 PM  

2wolves: Many former Marines are LEOs (for good or ill) and they have this guy's tag.  Wouldn't be difficult to get a name and an address.


And?

Is it worth your future to track down some asshole in a jacket and beat him up? Hell, even tracking him down just to talk could be actionable.
 
2014-07-24 12:56:45 PM  

doglover: Is it worth your future


They are LEO's...
/when you got nothing to lose....
 
2014-07-24 01:15:06 PM  

buntz: I haven't been able to wear MY uniform since since the war. Even if I could, no one would hire me because of my war record. I know you think I'm the only one keeping that alive and for everyone else, its ancient history. But do you expect me to believe that?

Sure, you can tell me its the truth...that what's hurt me the most is my record since the war. Different cities, different jobs and not one of them shows I can accept any real responsibility.

Face it, I haven't been the same since I flew that last mission!!


When you bombed the storage Depots at Daquiri at 1800 hours, coming in from the north, below their radar?

I wondered when you would be back.
 
2014-07-24 01:22:06 PM  
Theaetetus:
... if you bothered to read the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 before you rushed in to proudly show your ignorance, you'd see that it was about wearing medals "with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit".

...and when one of these morons pulls a stunt like this, they almost always manage to pull the "tangible benefit" lever. Like trying to get a job, run for political office, or cadge drinks from actual servicemen.

The criminal penalty for the uniform itself comes in under Title 18, USC 702.

"Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."
 
2014-07-24 02:00:32 PM  

cirby: Theaetetus:
... if you bothered to read the Stolen Valor Act of 2013 before you rushed in to proudly show your ignorance, you'd see that it was about wearing medals "with intent to obtain money, property, or other tangible benefit".

...and when one of these morons pulls a stunt like this, they almost always manage to pull the "tangible benefit" lever. Like trying to get a job, run for political office, or cadge drinks from actual servicemen.


Here, he was at a funeral. No job offer, no campaigning, and not even an open bar, much less a closed one.

The criminal penalty for the uniform itself comes in under Title 18, USC 702.

"Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both."


That's likely no longer good law, under Alvarez. Only Alito's dissent mentions it, and it's a miscite. He says "Although this Court has never opined on the constitutionality of that particular provision, we have said that § 702, which makes it a crime to wear a United States military uniform without authorization, is "a valid statute on its face." Schacht v. United States, 398 U. S. 58, 61 (1970)."
So, you go to Schacht, which indeed says "Our previous cases would seem to make it clear that 18 U.S.C. 702, making it an offense to wear our military uniforms without authority is, standing alone, a valid statute on its face. See, e. g., United States v. O'Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968)."
But then you go O'Brien and it says nothing of the sort: it doesn't mention 702, it doesn't use the word "uniform" even once, and it was actually about burning draft cards.

As I said, I don't think anyone is going to be facing criminal penalties for wearing a uniform any more than they're going to do so for wearing a flag.
 
2014-07-24 03:22:10 PM  

buntz: I haven't been able to wear MY uniform since since the war.


I haven't been able to wear my uniform since I got old and fat.
 
2014-07-24 03:34:35 PM  
I wore my dad's field jacket when I was younger because it was warm, windproof and waterproof.

It had the Rangers' screaming eagle on the shoulder and no one cared, even then, my dad trained with them from what I remember.  It also had the standard US ARMY and our last name on the front.  Then I got a little too big to wear it.

I switched to one my dad got from a friend, a butterbar lieutenant in artillery(? black diamond).  That one I removed the rank, name and insignia, on the sole reasoning that I had no problem wearing my pop's stripes, but no one else's.
 
2014-07-24 03:56:56 PM  
Maybe he is related to his guy ...

sheikyermami.com

... and its a inherited mental disorder?
 
2014-07-24 04:21:43 PM  
Theaetetus:

As I said, I don't think anyone is going to be facing criminal penalties for wearing a uniform any more than they're going to do so for wearing a flag.


So what you're saying is that it's a federal crime, but that it's unlikely to be enforced (or perhaps even enforceable).  In other words, the marine in the video who said it was a federal crime was correct.  Thanks doing the legal legwork to clear all that up for us.
 
2014-07-24 04:51:05 PM  

muwaryer: Theaetetus:

As I said, I don't think anyone is going to be facing criminal penalties for wearing a uniform any more than they're going to do so for wearing a flag.

So what you're saying is that it's a federal crime, but that it's unlikely to be enforced (or perhaps even enforceable).  In other words, the marine in the video who said it was a federal crime was correct.  Thanks doing the legal legwork to clear all that up for us.


Except that if it's unenforceable because it's unconstitutional, then it's not a crime. It'd be like if I passed a law making it a crime for you to use the handle muwaryer on Fark. Clearly unconstitutional, right? So it'd be a bit silly for me to say you were committing a federal crime, no?
 
2014-07-24 04:58:51 PM  
I knew a guy who claimed he was a Catholic Monk.  Over the course a few months, I would try to find out who his Provincial (regional boss) was, but he was always evasive.  When you asked him about his theology, he would use a lot of words in a way that didn't make sense.  I found myself arguing for Catholic principals and he was against them.  I'm not even Catholic.

He claimed to be a trained counselor, but I caught him giving really bald advice and not seeming to know how to handle situations with really distraught or mentally ill people.  Whenever you asked him about people he worked with, you always got the name of someone that had appeared in the news.

He got a lot of people kicked out of the city mission by starting arguments and reporting them for being in arguments.  He would get agitated when you pressed him about what path he had followed to become a monk.

He also claimed to have been an air force equivalent of an MP and claimed to have experience in a lot of different disciplines.  I caught him in several pointless lies.  One of the big suspicions was that if he was Catholic, why didn't he spend any time at Catholic organizations or churches?

Eventually, he got arrested for fighting.  I called the local diocese and they immediately said, "You're being taken advantage of.  If he was really a monk, his provincial would be calling us."  We started calling the places he claimed to be associated with (so that they could bail him out) and they either never heard of him or would tell us that his garments were not correct when we explained them.  Last we saw of him.

A few months later on facebook, he was claiming to be a counter terrorism expert and had removed any indication of having been a monk.
 
2014-07-24 05:06:30 PM  
Theaetetus:
Except that if it's unenforceable because it's unconstitutional, then it's not a crime. It'd be like if I passed a law making it a crime for you to use the handle muwaryer on Fark. Clearly unconstitutional, right? So it'd be a bit silly for me to say you were committing a federal crime, no?

You forgot the part where the new (2013) version of Stolen Valor has NOT been ruled unconstitutional. Besides the part where you sorta kinda think a different law might be unconstitutional since, um, reasons.
 
2014-07-24 05:41:26 PM  
From another article

"The Army said a Cornelius Davis hadn't served in the Army since 1999 - but in the video, Davis claimed he "just got home."
 
2014-07-24 05:48:44 PM  

Theaetetus: muwaryer: Theaetetus:

As I said, I don't think anyone is going to be facing criminal penalties for wearing a uniform any more than they're going to do so for wearing a flag.

So what you're saying is that it's a federal crime, but that it's unlikely to be enforced (or perhaps even enforceable).  In other words, the marine in the video who said it was a federal crime was correct.  Thanks doing the legal legwork to clear all that up for us.

Except that if it's unenforceable because it's unconstitutional, then it's not a crime. It'd be like if I passed a law making it a crime for you to use the handle muwaryer on Fark. Clearly unconstitutional, right? So it'd be a bit silly for me to say you were committing a federal crime, no?


Silly?  Perhaps.  Accurate?  I think probably.  If there is a federal law that says something is a crime, I don't think it's inaccurate to say that someone violating that law is committing a federal crime.  The marine, while arguably silly, is not the Supreme Court.  The Supreme Court will decide whether or not the law is unconstitutional.  I'm not going to fault an angry marine for not usurping the Court's authority on that one.

Also...are there any other issues raised by the fact that he also claimed to be a military police officer.  I have no idea if that's a federal crime, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 
2014-07-24 06:16:32 PM  
I like how they said that a real Ranger wouldn't walk away...
 
2014-07-24 06:37:57 PM  

MAJ Ethanolic: I actually feel bad for a lot of these stolen valor people.  It's pretty clear that many of them have mental issues.


So do actual veterans, especially those who have served in combat.  NTTAWWT
 
2014-07-24 06:38:39 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Who the fark impersonates a marine? That's a good way to get dead.


He was impersonating an army guy. Marines questioned him
 
2014-07-24 06:40:46 PM  

Felix_T_Cat: I knew a guy who claimed he was a Catholic Monk.  Over the course a few months, I would try to find out who his Provincial (regional boss) was, but he was always evasive.  When you asked him about his theology, he would use a lot of words in a way that didn't make sense.  I found myself arguing for Catholic principals and he was against them.  I'm not even Catholic.

He claimed to be a trained counselor, but I caught him giving really bald advice and not seeming to know how to handle situations with really distraught or mentally ill people.  Whenever you asked him about people he worked with, you always got the name of someone that had appeared in the news.

He got a lot of people kicked out of the city mission by starting arguments and reporting them for being in arguments.  He would get agitated when you pressed him about what path he had followed to become a monk.

He also claimed to have been an air force equivalent of an MP and claimed to have experience in a lot of different disciplines.  I caught him in several pointless lies.  One of the big suspicions was that if he was Catholic, why didn't he spend any time at Catholic organizations or churches?

Eventually, he got arrested for fighting.  I called the local diocese and they immediately said, "You're being taken advantage of.  If he was really a monk, his provincial would be calling us."  We started calling the places he claimed to be associated with (so that they could bail him out) and they either never heard of him or would tell us that his garments were not correct when we explained them.  Last we saw of him.

A few months later on facebook, he was claiming to be a counter terrorism expert and had removed any indication of having been a monk.


Because you blew his cover...way to go asshole
 
2014-07-24 07:49:34 PM  
I don't get why someone would bother to fake something like that, is he trying to get laid at a funeral?

Also.. Airborne huh?
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