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2014-07-24 10:34:35 AM  
Is president an elected position? If Ingold was that big of a jerk, couldn't they just replace him?
 
2014-07-24 11:09:52 AM  
Can we sell their assets for less than cost?
 
2014-07-24 11:12:00 AM  
Redundant subby is redundant.
 
2014-07-24 11:13:09 AM  
My friends condo association recently sent him a letter saying that they exceeded their annual budget this year for snow plow removal, and charged everyone an extra $200.

Not mentioned in said notice was how the previous two years of NO SNOWFALL, no refund was given for an underused snow removal budget.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
 
2014-07-24 11:13:31 AM  
How can someone that has lived someplace for 20 years not come up with a loan to cover a $5000 judgement? Surely he has at least that much in equity, right?
 
2014-07-24 11:13:54 AM  
Condo hate thread!  Let's get a few out of the way:

This is what you get for living at a place with a homeowner's association.
Ah, condos: all of the liability of a house but the experience of apartment living.
Why would you throw money away every month on condo fees?
If you can't afford to buy a single family home in (location), then you should either rent or find a different area to live.
Cool story bro: one of my friends lived at a condo, and... (insert nightmare story)
 
2014-07-24 11:15:13 AM  

handslikeguns: My friends condo association recently sent him a letter saying that they exceeded their annual budget this year for snow plow removal, and charged everyone an extra $200.

Not mentioned in said notice was how the previous two years of NO SNOWFALL, no refund was given for an underused snow removal budget.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


Oh, thanks - I missed one:

All condo boards are a bunch of unethical control freaks bent on stealing your money and making your life miserable.
 
2014-07-24 11:15:26 AM  
Just BURN THE FARKING PLACE DOWN.

/and done.
 
2014-07-24 11:16:07 AM  

EvilEgg: Is president an elected position? If Ingold was that big of a jerk, couldn't they just replace him her?


FTA: Finally, in June 2013, Levin ... and Ingold were both fired. Ingold was replaced as president and suspended as property manager.

Apparently they finally came to realize that she was going to be a very expensive jerk.
 
2014-07-24 11:16:24 AM  
Every time I mention crazy HOA and condo board stories to people who live under them they always say, "well 'Jim' is a great president. He'd never allow that kind of stuff." They fail to realize that Jim isn't President and Emperor For Life. So what happens when Jim's successor comes in and makes your life hell? What's your plan?
 
2014-07-24 11:17:19 AM  

ChipNASA: Just BURN THE FARKING PLACE DOWN.

/and done.


msnbcmedia1.msn.com
 
2014-07-24 11:20:08 AM  

valkore: Condo hate thread!  Let's get a few out of the way:

This is what you get for living at a place with a homeowner's association.
Ah, condos: all of the liability of a house but the experience of apartment living.
Why would you throw money away every month on condo fees?
If you can't afford to buy a single family home in (location), then you should either rent or find a different area to live.
Cool story bro: one of my friends lived at a condo, and... (insert nightmare story)


Don't forget the:

"A rotting corpse was in the unit next to mine..."
Or
"I commit all my murders in the abandon brothel unit..."

/wait, what?
 
2014-07-24 11:21:48 AM  
I've owned my townhouse for a few years now and the condo board has been great. Not all HOAs suck.
 
2014-07-24 11:22:34 AM  
Condo association sued for million bucks for being, well, a condo association.
 
2014-07-24 11:25:33 AM  
You can't sue people for being assholes...can you?
 
2014-07-24 11:25:36 AM  

handslikeguns: My friends condo association recently sent him a letter saying that they exceeded their annual budget this year for snow plow removal, and charged everyone an extra $200.

Not mentioned in said notice was how the previous two years of NO SNOWFALL, no refund was given for an underused snow removal budget.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM



If there's an association for your property, attend the meetings or sit on the board to keep the craziez in line.

Or, keep the lube handy.
 
2014-07-24 11:26:04 AM  

kmt11: I've owned my townhouse for a few years now and the condo board has been great. Not all HOAs suck.


I'll repeat myself. What is your plan when the condo board does suck? They aren't static. In a few years when Dipshiat McPowertrip gets on the board with a few of his friends are you going to move?
 
2014-07-24 11:26:19 AM  

debug: How can someone that has lived someplace for 20 years not come up with a loan to cover a $5000 judgement? Surely he has at least that much in equity, right?


Likely he said, "None of these are valid fines, fark this biatch" and refused to pay anything.
 
2014-07-24 11:26:26 AM  
err... crazies
 
2014-07-24 11:27:15 AM  

kmt11: I've owned my townhouse for a few years now and the condo board has been great. Not all HOAs suck.


You just have to have the right people on the board
 
2014-07-24 11:27:17 AM  

handslikeguns: My friends condo association recently sent him a letter saying that they exceeded their annual budget this year for snow plow removal, and charged everyone an extra $200.

Not mentioned in said notice was how the previous two years of NO SNOWFALL, no refund was given for an underused snow removal budget.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM



Unbridled Capitalism doing what it does best.
 
2014-07-24 11:27:43 AM  
Unfortunately Condo associations are a necessary evil, mine is OK not great but I deal with it to avoid all exterior maintenance.

/They hired a cut rate landscaping company who killed most of the bushes in the neighborhood, us homeowners are responsible for replacing them, oh well minor thing.
 
2014-07-24 11:28:33 AM  
If you move into a building or a community that has some hive mind pack of wannabe bureaucrats who can jerk you around, they will.
 
2014-07-24 11:28:52 AM  

EvilEgg: Is president an elected position? If Ingold was that big of a jerk, couldn't they just replace him?


It can be hard to do. I've seen friend's HOA where the voting is by proxy. Once the person notes they are President, they get most of the people who pay no attention/don't want to go to the meetings to give them or someone else who will vote for same President a proxy vote.
 
2014-07-24 11:29:02 AM  

ChipNASA: Just BURN THE FARKING PLACE DOWN.

/and done.



yea, so the Owner can get a nice windfall check from his insurance company.  he'll come out ahead.
 
2014-07-24 11:29:18 AM  

Russ1642: Every time I mention crazy HOA and condo board stories to people who live under them they always say, "well 'Jim' is a great president. He'd never allow that kind of stuff." They fail to realize that Jim isn't President and Emperor For Life. So what happens when Jim's successor comes in and makes your life hell? What's your plan?


Making "your life hell" is the plan for every property management scam....errrrr.....board everywhere. What started as a method of protecting property values has almost universally evolved into the bastion of control freaks and authority whores whose only purpose in life is achieve some measure of power over a portion of the populace and infringe upon their basic property owning rights in every way imaginable. Anyone who defends what has become of the property management process is either a deluded individual who has never found themselves at the mercy of these merciless "lords" and "ladies" or are an active part of the problem.

The entire process needs a major reboot in the form of a social upper-colonic irrigation.
 
2014-07-24 11:32:02 AM  
I think most people really don't understand how condo boards/fees work. It isn't money you are just throwing away -- you are getting a service for it. These services vary from condo to condo, but most offer cleaning services (for the common areas), landscaping, snow removal (as mentioned elsewhere), pest control, trash removal, property insurance, and more. Many also offer hot water, gas/heat, electricity, etc. so that you don't have a utility bill for that. Any many communities offer a pool, tennis courts, etc.

Not to mention the most important part: the condo fee feeds a reserve fund (a savings account), so that in the event of an emergency, you have ample funds to fix the issue. This fund is essentially your own equity. If the fund gets too large, the board is taking too much, and they can make disbursements to the owners; if it's too small, sometimes they need to make a correction and increase fees slightly. Generally it should only raise slightly in line with inflation, or after a large cost (like replacing a roof). Either way, when you go to sell your property, realtors look into the "health" of the condo association when making offers...a condo association with a poorly managed reserve fund is going to depreciate your value, just as having a house with a bad roof would bring down the property value.

In a house, you are free to pay all of these expenses yourself and take care of your property on your own. But there are costs associated with them. And if you're an idiot and didn't save enough over the years, have fun in the winter time when your furnace goes out. Or when a tree falls through your roof during a rainy season and your insurance doesn't cover enough.

At the end of the day, if you don't like the way your condo association is run and think things cost too much -- then get off your lazy ass and join the board.
 
2014-07-24 11:32:07 AM  
For five years, Ingold was also the building's property manager...

Yeah, there's your problem, right there.
 
2014-07-24 11:34:15 AM  

dhkjhgjaih: This fund is essentially your own equity


Except you can't move it, spend it or use it to leverage other assets.
 
2014-07-24 11:34:38 AM  

macross87: valkore: Condo hate thread!  Let's get a few out of the way:

This is what you get for living at a place with a homeowner's association.
Ah, condos: all of the liability of a house but the experience of apartment living.
Why would you throw money away every month on condo fees?
If you can't afford to buy a single family home in (location), then you should either rent or find a different area to live.
Cool story bro: one of my friends lived at a condo, and... (insert nightmare story)

Don't forget the:

"A rotting corpse was in the unit next to mine..."
Or
"I commit all my murders in the abandon brothel unit..."

/wait, what?


That's the American Psycho package.
 
2014-07-24 11:35:36 AM  

valkore: Condo hate thread!  Let's get a few out of the way:

This is what you get for living at a place with a homeowner's association.
Ah, condos: all of the liability of a house but the experience of apartment living.
Why would you throw money away every month on condo fees?
If you can't afford to buy a single family home in (location), then you should either rent or find a different area to live.
Cool story bro: one of my friends lived at a condo, and... (insert nightmare story)


You forgot the one where someone whines about being in a condo hate thread and listing examples of comments.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-24 11:36:00 AM  
handslikeguns

Cities in my area budget for nearly snowless winters and ask for supplemental appropriations in the spring to cover "unexpected" snow costs. One winter it was practically snowless. They still blew their snow budgets. They were hiding ordinary expenses in the snow budget. One city was scheduling snow-related overtime shifts months in advance.
 
2014-07-24 11:41:05 AM  

valkore: Condo hate thread!  Let's get a few out of the way:

This is what you get for living at a place with a homeowner's association.
Ah, condos: all of the liability of a house but the experience of apartment living.
Why would you throw money away every month on condo fees?
If you can't afford to buy a single family home in (location), then you should either rent or find a different area to live.
Cool story bro: one of my friends lived at a condo, and... (insert nightmare story)


One more cliche` and I have a bingo!
 
2014-07-24 11:42:41 AM  

handslikeguns: My friends condo association recently sent him a letter saying that they exceeded their annual budget this year for snow plow removal,


Geez.  How many snow plows had to be removed?
 
2014-07-24 11:42:51 AM  
I'm on my condo's board.  Running a building is expensive.  And we're not paid.  What I do is on a volunteer basis.  So the haters can suck it.
 
2014-07-24 11:44:37 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I'm on my condo's board.  Running a building is expensive.  And we're not paid.  What I do is on a volunteer basis.  So the haters can suck it.


So, martyrdom for the greater good?
 
M-G
2014-07-24 11:47:48 AM  

handslikeguns: My friends condo association recently sent him a letter saying that they exceeded their annual budget this year for snow plow removal, and charged everyone an extra $200.

Not mentioned in said notice was how the previous two years of NO SNOWFALL, no refund was given for an underused snow removal budget.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


They likely have an annual maintenance contract with a snow removal company that covers up to a certain number of events, inches, etc.  A bad winter might exceed that and result in extra charges.
 
2014-07-24 11:47:55 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I'm on my condo's board.  Running a building is expensive.  And we're not paid.  What I do is on a volunteer basis.  So the haters can suck it.


Poor you.
 
2014-07-24 11:50:58 AM  
As someone who is dealing with a Condo Assoc Horror Story right now, I can sympathize.

Place going on market, in negotiations for 3 BR home that will be mine, ALL MINE!!

/And if I want to paint my door purple and put up a flag pole, by God I can paint my door purple and put up a flag pole :)
 
2014-07-24 11:51:10 AM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I'm on my condo's board.  Running a building is expensive.  And we're not paid.  What I do is on a volunteer basis.  So the haters can suck it.


Really? It's nice you guys are honest but  my mom's condo president makes sure that his business is used for all repairs to the place so please don't tell me he isn't getting paid one way or another (and by the way, it isn't even a repair business-he hires the repair business through his company and "manages" the repairs through his company)

//some of the residents are taking him to court for fraud
//too many problems with the place to list here-don't ever buy into a self-run condo
 
2014-07-24 11:55:17 AM  

The Ice Queen: As someone who is dealing with a Condo Assoc Horror Story right now, I can sympathize.

Place going on market, in negotiations for 3 BR home that will be mine, ALL MINE!!

/And if I want to paint my door purple and put up a flag pole, by God I can paint my door purple and put up a flag pole :)


The promise of the "own your own home" chapter of the American dream isn't so much a roof of your own, but autonomy within the black letter of the law.  It's not living in a working simulation of the proverbial mom's basement with her pissing and moaning about you not mowing the lawn every three days or leaving the garage door open.  It's being able to scratch your balls when they itch without somebody taking notes.
 
2014-07-24 11:55:34 AM  

dhkjhgjaih: I think most people really don't understand how condo boards/fees work. It isn't money you are just throwing away -- you are getting a service for it. These services vary from condo to condo, but most offer cleaning services (for the common areas), landscaping, snow removal (as mentioned elsewhere), pest control, trash removal, property insurance, and more. Many also offer hot water, gas/heat, electricity, etc. so that you don't have a utility bill for that. Any many communities offer a pool, tennis courts, etc.

Not to mention the most important part: the condo fee feeds a reserve fund (a savings account), so that in the event of an emergency, you have ample funds to fix the issue. This fund is essentially your own equity. If the fund gets too large, the board is taking too much, and they can make disbursements to the owners; if it's too small, sometimes they need to make a correction and increase fees slightly. Generally it should only raise slightly in line with inflation, or after a large cost (like replacing a roof). Either way, when you go to sell your property, realtors look into the "health" of the condo association when making offers...a condo association with a poorly managed reserve fund is going to depreciate your value, just as having a house with a bad roof would bring down the property value.

In a house, you are free to pay all of these expenses yourself and take care of your property on your own. But there are costs associated with them. And if you're an idiot and didn't save enough over the years, have fun in the winter time when your furnace goes out. Or when a tree falls through your roof during a rainy season and your insurance doesn't cover enough.

At the end of the day, if you don't like the way your condo association is run and think things cost too much -- then get off your lazy ass and join the board.


No farking shiat, sherlock.  No one is disputing any of that.  You did a good job of answering a question no one asked.

The article is about (and people are talking about) condo/housing/etc boards that abuse their purpose and are taken over by power mad assholes.
 
2014-07-24 11:57:58 AM  

Linux_Yes: handslikeguns: My friends condo association recently sent him a letter saying that they exceeded their annual budget this year for snow plow removal, and charged everyone an extra $200.

Not mentioned in said notice was how the previous two years of NO SNOWFALL, no refund was given for an underused snow removal budget.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


Unbridled Capitalism doing what it does best.


Yes, because a group of people who have a common ownership and means of upkeep to the place they live is the perfect example for capitalism.
 
2014-07-24 12:03:04 PM  
Everyone understood that article.  Well written and clear?  The caption by the photo made sense? So I'm the only one who didn't get it and thought the reporter was in middle school at best?  OK Fark.
 
2014-07-24 12:05:44 PM  

wearetheworld: Everyone understood that article.  Well written and clear?  The caption by the photo made sense? So I'm the only one who didn't get it and thought the reporter was in middle school at best?  OK Fark.


Journalism is largely crowd sourced these days, afaict, and by people who got the job because "they know how the internet works".
 
SH
2014-07-24 12:15:59 PM  
Wow.

Pretty desperate attempt to get the monthly Fark "bash the crappy HOA" thread on the air. Come on guys, you can do better than that.
 
2014-07-24 12:16:08 PM  

wearetheworld: Everyone understood that article.  Well written and clear?  The caption by the photo made sense? So I'm the only one who didn't get it and thought the reporter was in middle school at best?  OK Fark.


Well...I understood what I pieced together from this thread.  For some reason, that site is blocked by my company filter....
 
2014-07-24 12:17:14 PM  

The Ice Queen: As someone who is dealing with a Condo Assoc Horror Story right now, I can sympathize.

Place going on market, in negotiations for 3 BR home that will be mine, ALL MINE!!

/And if I want to paint my door purple and put up a flag pole, by God I can paint my door purple and put up a flag pole :)


Well...not quite.  Check to see if the neighborhood into which you are moving has restrictive covenants. Normally not as bad as condo HOAs, but still can cover basic essentials such as who can rent their homes, and provisions on keeping up property values (ie, a purple door may be okay, but maybe not an entire purple house...)
 
2014-07-24 12:17:49 PM  

RumsfeldsReplacement: I'm on my condo's board.  Running a building is expensive.  And we're not paid.  What I do is on a volunteer basis.  So the haters can suck it.


Well, your screen name is appropriate.
 
2014-07-24 12:26:00 PM  

PrincessZorra: The Ice Queen: As someone who is dealing with a Condo Assoc Horror Story right now, I can sympathize.

Place going on market, in negotiations for 3 BR home that will be mine, ALL MINE!!

/And if I want to paint my door purple and put up a flag pole, by God I can paint my door purple and put up a flag pole :)

Well...not quite.  Check to see if the neighborhood into which you are moving has restrictive covenants. Normally not as bad as condo HOAs, but still can cover basic essentials such as who can rent their homes, and provisions on keeping up property values (ie, a purple door may be okay, but maybe not an entire purple house...)


My grandfather had to sign a codicil when he bought his house in La Jolla back in 1955 stating that he wasn't Jewish. That covenant still exists, but is unenforceable.
 
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