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2014-07-23 08:25:37 PM
Wood was sentenced to death for killing Debra Dietz and her father, Eugene Dietz, in 1989 at the family's automotive shop in Tucson.
Wood and Dietz had a tumultuous relationship in which he periodically assaulted her. Dietz tried to end their relationship and got an order of protection against Wood.
On the day of the shooting, Wood went to the auto shop and waited for Dietz's father, who disapproved of his daughter's relationship with Wood, to get off the phone. Once the father hung up, Wood pulled out a revolver, shot him in the chest and then smiled.
Wood then turned his attention toward Debra Dietz, who was trying to telephone for help. Wood grabbed her by the neck and put his gun to her chest. She pleaded with him to spare her life. An employee heard Wood say, "I told you I was going to do it, I have to kill you." He then called her an expletive and fired two shots in her chest.

Although I totally agree this should never happen, I do NOT feel sorry for this asshat at all.
 
2014-07-23 09:07:22 PM

knbber2: Although I totally agree this should never happen, I do NOT feel sorry for this asshat at all.


Then why post that shiat?
 
2014-07-23 09:10:37 PM

doyner: knbber2: Although I totally agree this should never happen, I do NOT feel sorry for this asshat at all.

Then why post that shiat?


How on earth can anyone think this is acceptable?
 
2014-07-23 09:36:25 PM

ginandbacon: doyner: knbber2: Although I totally agree this should never happen, I do NOT feel sorry for this asshat at all.

Then why post that shiat?

How on earth can anyone think this is acceptable?


I did not say it was acceptable, I said it should never happen, basically the opposite. The process needs to be reviewed and changed to make sure it does not occur another time.  But I have no sympathy for the double murderer.
 
2014-07-23 09:39:53 PM

knbber2: ginandbacon: doyner: knbber2: Although I totally agree this should never happen, I do NOT feel sorry for this asshat at all.

Then why post that shiat?

How on earth can anyone think this is acceptable?

I did not say it was acceptable, I said it should never happen, basically the opposite. The process needs to be reviewed and changed to make sure it does not occur another time.  But I have no sympathy for the double murderer.


Then why conflate these things?
 
2014-07-23 09:49:09 PM
I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.
 
2014-07-23 09:52:34 PM

doyner: Then why conflate these things?


Because Fark is where people comment on issues and express their opinions, amongst other things.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-23 10:20:09 PM
Did the article ever mention what drugs were used?
 
2014-07-23 10:21:18 PM

criscodisco: I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.


We as a society are supposed to be better than those we punish. Otherwise it all just degenerates into "eye for an eye".
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-23 10:23:06 PM

433: Did the article ever mention what drugs were used?


Another article says it was a combination of Versed and Dilaudid.  For the record, dilaudid was the drug used in the botched execution in Oklahoma.
 
2014-07-23 10:40:29 PM

433: 433: Did the article ever mention what drugs were used?

Another article says it was a combination of Versed and Dilaudid.  For the record, dilaudid was the drug used in the botched execution in Oklahoma.


Seriously, why don't they just use a massive dose of morphine?  It's cheap, easy to administer, and will knock the guy out quickly and let him die peacefully in his sleep.
 
433 [TotalFark]
2014-07-23 10:47:08 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Seriously, why don't they just use a massive dose of morphine? It's cheap, easy to administer, and will knock the guy out quickly and let him die peacefully in his sleep.


That's what they did - dilaudid is a stronger opioid, many times more potent than morphine when administered intravenously.

When someone dies from a fatal dose of morphine, they do not always simply go to sleep.  The body is hardwired to breathe.  Morphine suppresses respiratory function.  The body will attempt to breathe, but it can't.  The convulsions are not pretty.  Administering fatal doses of opiates is not predictable, and it is a clean, quick, and predictable death that the state wants to administer.

I would not mind an anesthetist, or someone in a similar field,  to correct or add to my post.
 
2014-07-23 11:29:42 PM

enry: criscodisco: I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.

We as a society are supposed to be better than those we punish. Otherwise it all just degenerates into "eye for an eye".


I'm not saying for one second that we shouldn't be better than those we punish, and I don't think knbber2 was either.

It's just that, while this should never happen, we're not going to shed a tear for someone who was unconscious during their death, who had murdered a man and his daughter because she had the audacity to break things off with him for continually beating her.
 
2014-07-23 11:31:27 PM
Yeeaaahhh, let's not use that drug again.  M'kay?
 
2014-07-23 11:54:56 PM
Is he dead?
Then it worked.  No issue.  Move on.
 
2014-07-23 11:56:08 PM
The reason we do this is because some people in authority get off on death porn. Otherwise we'd just shoot them in the head and get it over with.

Anyone who doesn't have a problem with this Rube Goldberg torture sh*t should be institutionalized. I mean that.
 
2014-07-23 11:56:25 PM

enry: criscodisco: I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.

We as a society are supposed to be better than those we punish. Otherwise it all just degenerates into "eye for an eye".


What's wrong with an "eye for an eye"?
 
2014-07-23 11:56:40 PM

criscodisco: enry: criscodisco: I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.

We as a society are supposed to be better than those we punish. Otherwise it all just degenerates into "eye for an eye".

I'm not saying for one second that we shouldn't be better than those we punish, and I don't think knbber2 was either.

It's just that, while this should never happen, we're not going to shed a tear for someone who was unconscious during their death, who had murdered a man and his daughter because she had the audacity to break things off with him for continually beating her.


"It shouldn't happen, but we don't really care when it does happen because we don't like the people it hurt. America, fark yeah."
 
2014-07-23 11:57:08 PM

433: 433: Did the article ever mention what drugs were used?

Another article says it was a combination of Versed and Dilaudid.  For the record, dilaudid was the drug used in the botched execution in Oklahoma.


Cnn is saying different drugs.
 
2014-07-23 11:57:22 PM

enry: criscodisco: I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.

We as a society are supposed to be better than those we punish. Otherwise it all just degenerates into "eye for an eye".


Some people in our society are no better, as this thread illustrates.
 
2014-07-23 11:58:01 PM
Capital punishment never restores the balance- it only places the convict's social debt into our shared hands.
 
2014-07-23 11:58:07 PM
Solution:

IV of opiates until they're unconscious for hours, then Hang, Draw & Quarter for the spectacle the people demand while they're unconscious.

Everyone's happy.
 
2014-07-23 11:58:43 PM
Look, we should probably find a better way to kill these guys but that doesn't mean I might kind of enjoy the idea of torturing him a little bit before he goes.
 
2014-07-23 11:58:45 PM

baconbeard: enry: criscodisco: I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.

We as a society are supposed to be better than those we punish. Otherwise it all just degenerates into "eye for an eye".

What's wrong with an "eye for an eye"?


Kiefer Sutherland was way over the top?
 
2014-07-23 11:58:50 PM

Ambivalence: Yeeaaahhh, let's not use that drug again.  M'kay?


The whole argument right now is over states suing to make sure they don't need to tell anyone what drugs they're using. Arizona actually sued up to SCOTUS to prevent the release of information about what drugs they were using.
 
2014-07-23 11:59:16 PM

criscodisco: I agree with him completely. It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.


His victims died at the hands of a monster.

He died at the hands of the state.

The state is not supposed to be a monster.
 
2014-07-23 11:59:30 PM
Why can't we just take these people out back and shoot them. A lot quicker and cheaper. For that matter why is someone on death row that long?
 
2014-07-23 11:59:40 PM

ginandbacon: doyner: knbber2: Although I totally agree this should never happen, I do NOT feel sorry for this asshat at all.

Then why post that shiat?

How on earth can anyone think this is acceptable?


How can anyone think it is acceptable to kill two people?
 
2014-07-23 11:59:46 PM
I hope it hurt the entire two hours.
 
2014-07-23 11:59:48 PM
Cripes, even the Taliban just quickly cut your head off.
 
2014-07-23 11:59:55 PM

knbber2: Wood was sentenced to death for killing Debra Dietz and her father, Eugene Dietz, in 1989 at the family's automotive shop in Tucson.
Wood and Dietz had a tumultuous relationship in which he periodically assaulted her. Dietz tried to end their relationship and got an order of protection against Wood.
On the day of the shooting, Wood went to the auto shop and waited for Dietz's father, who disapproved of his daughter's relationship with Wood, to get off the phone. Once the father hung up, Wood pulled out a revolver, shot him in the chest and then smiled.
Wood then turned his attention toward Debra Dietz, who was trying to telephone for help. Wood grabbed her by the neck and put his gun to her chest. She pleaded with him to spare her life. An employee heard Wood say, "I told you I was going to do it, I have to kill you." He then called her an expletive and fired two shots in her chest.

Although I totally agree this should never happen, I do NOT feel sorry for this asshat at all.


I feel sorry for the kind of farked up penal system that allows something like this to happen.
 
2014-07-24 12:00:02 AM
i'm always amused by the overlap of people who think that the government is simultaneously so nefarious and untrustworthy that public funding of research on the danger of firearms should be made illegal because hitler while also being such a benevolent overlord that it can be trusted to execute its citizens based on the opinions of the first 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty via live human drug trials
 
2014-07-24 12:01:04 AM
This drug cocktail is just a crock. Sure, put the guy to sleep first if it makes you feel better, but the killing should be done mechanically. Guillotine, axe, bullet, etc.
 
2014-07-24 12:01:20 AM
#1 fark him.

Second, we need to quit jacking around and just hang these bastards.
 
2014-07-24 12:02:00 AM

radarlove: Capital punishment never restores the balance- it only places the convict's social debt into our shared hands.


Prison time doesn't restore the balance either.  That being said, death sentences tend to be more expensive than life in prison, and studies have shown that they don't act as a deterrent to crime, so it may be well worth looking into whether they're worthwhile at all even without taking into consideration the potential for executing someone who was mistakingly convicted.
 
2014-07-24 12:02:15 AM
They should have just given him a big hug and sent him on his merry way.
 
2014-07-24 12:02:15 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The reason we do this is because some people in authority get off on death porn. Otherwise we'd just shoot them in the head and get it over with.

Anyone who doesn't have a problem with this Rube Goldberg torture sh*t should be institutionalized. I mean that.


Agreed.

I'm strongly against the state having the right to take a citizen's life for any reason - if the family of the victim want blood so much, let them show they have the balls and kill him themselves.

But if you're going to kill someone in a controlled environment where he can't fight back, what's wrong with a bullet to the base of the skull?
 
2014-07-24 12:02:42 AM
If they're going to be executed, a guillotine seems more humane. Why not put them to sleep, guillotine them and call it good? Seriously is that more barbaric?
 
2014-07-24 12:02:58 AM

sprawl15: i'm always amused by the overlap of people who think that the government is simultaneously so nefarious and untrustworthy that public funding of research on the danger of firearms should be made illegal because hitler while also being such a benevolent overlord that it can be trusted to execute its citizens based on the opinions of the first 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty via live human drug trials


"All elected officials are incompetent. The police are abusive. The voting public needs to be restricted because it's too dumb..." But you and eleven other morons are capable of judging whether another person deserves to live or die.
 
2014-07-24 12:02:58 AM
Did he die? Mission accomplished. Why all this fuss, use nitrous oxide aka laughing gas, crank it up, it displaces the oxygen and done. Once your hypoxic you dont feel anything
 
2014-07-24 12:03:04 AM
Someone on the inside is anti-death penalty and messed with the drugs.
 
2014-07-24 12:03:11 AM
Vengeance of any kind is holding our entire civilization back.   We will never have a decent world until we can give up the vice of vengeance.
 
2014-07-24 12:03:58 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Solution:

IV of opiates until they're unconscious for hours, then Hang, Draw & Quarter for the spectacle the people demand while they're unconscious.

Everyone's happy.


I've often thought maybe dispose of illegal drugs(test for purity first) by injecting massive amount. Cruel and unusual? No, never know what hit them.

The only other option is make them public and see if the public really supports it when they see how it's really done.
 
2014-07-24 12:04:20 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The reason we do this is because some people in authority get off on death porn. Otherwise we'd just shoot them in the head and get it over with.

Anyone who doesn't have a problem with this Rube Goldberg torture sh*t should be institutionalized. I mean that.


Yeah, that. The death penalty is morally unconscionable, but trying to dress it up as something it isn't makes it worse, not better.
 
2014-07-24 12:04:20 AM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: criscodisco: enry: criscodisco: I think y'all are completely missing knbber2's point.

I agree with him completely.  It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.

We as a society are supposed to be better than those we punish. Otherwise it all just degenerates into "eye for an eye".

I'm not saying for one second that we shouldn't be better than those we punish, and I don't think knbber2 was either.

It's just that, while this should never happen, we're not going to shed a tear for someone who was unconscious during their death, who had murdered a man and his daughter because she had the audacity to break things off with him for continually beating her.

"It shouldn't happen, but we don't really care when it does happen because we don't like the people it hurt. America, fark yeah."


"It shouldn't happen, and since we DO care that it DID happen, we believe that this process shouldn't be used any more. Regardless, we still don't like the guy it happened to. America. Fark yeah."
 
2014-07-24 12:04:30 AM
There's never going to be a nice way to kill somebody. Having said that, how about one of those military oxygen-deprivation tanks. Don't you just go to sleep?
 
2014-07-24 12:04:59 AM

chewd: criscodisco: I agree with him completely. It was terrible that this happened, but he probably died a lot less terrified than his victims.

His victims died at the hands of a monster.

He died at the hands of the state.

The state is not supposed to be a monster.


Hobbes would like a word with you.
 
2014-07-24 12:06:08 AM

SamsAxe: Did he die? Mission accomplished. Why all this fuss, use nitrous oxide aka laughing gas, crank it up, it displaces the oxygen and done. Once your hypoxic you dont feel anything


I think down deep the chickenhawks who support the death penalty don't want to see him die happy.
 
2014-07-24 12:06:49 AM
I dont understand why potassium chloride (did I get that right)? Isn't just coadministered with propofol.

Oh, it's because it's makers in the EU threatened to stop production if they started killing with it*

Good for them.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propofol
 
2014-07-24 12:06:54 AM

rev. dave: Vengeance of any kind is holding our entire civilization back.   We will never have a decent world until we can give up the vice of vengeance.


We will never have a decent world. You need to come to terms with thus and make the best of what we've got.
 
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