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2014-07-23 04:31:24 PM
Yikes
 
2014-07-23 05:31:00 PM
This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.
 
2014-07-23 07:36:04 PM
Ironically, most consumers can't recall even half of GM's models.
 
2014-07-23 07:43:56 PM
My GMC Sierra hasn't been recalled... yet.
 
2014-07-23 07:46:21 PM
The Chevy Volt is going good. All 30 of them have not been recalled.

j/k
 
2014-07-23 07:47:31 PM
 With today's recall, GM has likely recalled nearly every model in its portfolio since the beginning of the year time

More accurater
 
2014-07-23 07:48:39 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.


Of course not, but someone (a living, breathing human) or several someones inside that corporation made the critical decisions which resulted in this whole mess.  They should find out who they, perp walk them to a federal court where they could learn where they'd be spending the next few decades.
 
2014-07-23 07:48:54 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.


Thank Dog for unions.
 
2014-07-23 07:49:33 PM
I am wondering when my 1936 GMC is going to be recalled.  Oh wait, it was built when we actually gave a Fark about what we did in this country, never mind!
 
2014-07-23 07:49:50 PM
Regulation has tightened its calloused fist round the delicate throat of innovation!
 
2014-07-23 07:50:57 PM
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Except how can it be the ride of your life if your car was recalled?
 
2014-07-23 07:53:04 PM
I wonder how Mary Barra is enjoying her gig.
 
2014-07-23 07:56:17 PM
My Biscayne has musty upholstery.
 
2014-07-23 07:56:39 PM
Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?
 
2014-07-23 07:57:19 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.


[citation needed]

I hope this is supposed to be satire. Most "recalls" address a problem present in sub-1% numbers of vehicles involved, and most problems aren't like the ignition switch issue that results in dead people.

Every single year nearly every auto-maker recalls from hundreds of thousands to millions of vehicles for some potential problem or another. GM needs to figure their shiat out for sure, but there aren't literally 30 million vehicles being swapped out for new ones here.
 
2014-07-23 07:58:42 PM
My 2012 Terrain is part of this one.  For a seat bolt.  How silly is this getting?
 
2014-07-23 07:58:50 PM
Fondly?
 
2014-07-23 07:59:17 PM
Brace for the moneyshot
 
2014-07-23 08:01:46 PM
Just a loose nut here, bolt there, some wrong screws, half ass job overall.
 
2014-07-23 08:02:27 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: With today's recall, GM has likely recalled nearly every model in its portfolio since the beginning of the year time

More accurater


GM never had a good run since the Flintstones' car was proven incapable of carrying big dinoribs as promised.
 
2014-07-23 08:05:54 PM
"Company shares were down slightly after the news."

Only slightly because share prices can't go negative.
 
2014-07-23 08:08:50 PM

Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?


They always did,  I'd take pretty much anything sold here over a GM or Chrysler product.
 
2014-07-23 08:16:46 PM
images1.dailykos.com
 
2014-07-23 08:21:05 PM

Warmachine999: My 2012 Terrain is part of this one.  For a seat bolt.  How silly is this getting?


They're in "recall for a loose carpet fiber" mode now.
 
2014-07-23 08:25:59 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.


Negligence I can buy. They put out a part that was faulty due to improper engineering. They didn't bother to call it immediately, stop, retool, and basically just build the assemblies with a stronger spring, and didn't make any attempt to fix a problem which was shown to be not just an annoyance, but a safety hazard to drivers.  They should be heavily fined and required to pay restitution to anyone who was harmed by accidents related to this issue, as well as pay the legal fees and file affidavits on behalf of the lady who went to prison for vehicular homicide after an accident caused by this issue.

I also think it's fair to charge any engineer or executive who knew about the risks, fault, and/or passively or actively worked to cover up this problem, including blatant denials and coverups after accidents, should be charged with Criminally Negligent Homicide at the very least for knowingly selling a deathtrap and substantively contributing to the death of the individual; as well as charged with conspiracy after the fact to cover up the evidence that contributed substantively to the death of those persons.

here I was going to argue with you about Fraud, since I had the idea that fraud was related to monetary issues specifically, but given this from the legal dictionary:

A false representation of a matter of fact-whether by words or by conduct, by false or misleading allegations, or by concealment of what should have been disclosed-that deceives and is intended to deceive another so that the individual will act upon it to her or his legal injury.

Fraud is commonly understood as dishonesty calculated for advantage. A person who is dishonest may be called a fraud. In the U.S. legal system, fraud is a specific offense with certain features.

Fraud is most common in the buying or selling of property, including real estate, personal property, and intangible property, such as stocks, bonds, and copyrights. State and federal statutes criminalize fraud, but not all cases rise to the level of criminality. Prosecutors have discretion in determining which cases to pursue. Victims may also seek redress in civil court.

Fraud must be proved by showing that the defendant's actions involved five separate elements: (1) a false statement of a material fact,(2) knowledge on the part of the defendant that the statement is untrue, (3) intent on the part of the defendant to deceive the alleged victim, (4) justifiable reliance by the alleged victim on the statement, and (5) injury to the alleged victim as a result.


With that being the case, then, i can see fraud stretching to this circumstance, however I'm not sure that the case here is of GM necessarily lying about something for personal gain as much as it's GM lying and continuing to lie in order to not be held criminally responsible for the deaths caused by their faulty parts.

So, I guess the real question with respect to fraud is not whether or not they lied, but rather whether the onus of the lie was to cover up for potential criminal misconduct/negligence, or in furtherance of just selling an obviously defective product for profit, since the two are technically, as I understand it, different crimes.
 
2014-07-23 08:27:48 PM

syrynxx: Except how can it be the ride of your life if your car was recalled?


Well, it's the ride of the last 30 seconds of your life anyway, amirite?
 
2014-07-23 08:32:24 PM
My 2012 Chevy Sonic LTZ Turbo 6spd MT seems to have escaped them all as well. Although it's mostly by luck of the draw and have been manufactured after the issues had been discovered...

At least all these recalls make my mistakes at work seem inconsequential by comparison.
 
2014-07-23 08:32:56 PM
Meanwhile, our brakes suddenly gave out on our 2011 RX-9. Although a frequent problem in this model, Mazda still hasn't recalled the brake boosters. They just extended the warranty on them!
 
2014-07-23 08:34:51 PM

jehovahs witness protection: ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.

Thank Dog for unions.


So, wait. At what point did unions get involved in this fark-up? AN engineer, who is not part of the UAW, farked up the design. C-level executives and other upper management knew about the design flaw, and made a decision not to stop production and make a change to a $5 part, and instead chose to sell the vehicles as-is, knowing there was a fault, and doubling down after people died due to the malfunction. C-level Execs and upper management are also not part of the UAW.

Exactly who are you sarcastically blaming that IS in the UAW? Herbert who welds shiat? Sue who installed the part in the car and had fark-all to do with the design or choice to change it?

What, exactly, did the Unions do in this case that is bad? Did the Unions somehow force GM, which is now supposedly profitable, to forgo the changing of the part in order to give them raises? Did they create a contract which explicitly states "first time installation of parts only and no design changes", thus making it impossible for GM to make a switch of the part until after they were released and had been posing an issue for more than 11 years since that's about how long they figured it would take the Unions to consider a change to no longer be a second install?  I'm genuinely curious how "DA EBIL UNIONS" farked things over in this case, and how this is not a case of negligence and malfeasance on behalf of the people in charge of sourcing and approving the parts/handling safety recalls at the executive level?
 
2014-07-23 08:36:09 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.


www.investmentu.com
 
2014-07-23 08:44:15 PM

Boo_Guy: Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?

They always did,  I'd take pretty much anything sold here over a GM or Chrysler product.


Uncle: this new farking Dodge is nothing but trouble and breaks all the damn time.
Me: You know, I gotta say, those Nissan Titan pickups are pretty damn nice. I hear they're high quality.
Uncle: Yeah, well, I won't buy anything but an american vehicle.
Me: You do realize that the company builds them in the US, employs thousands of american skilled laborers and sources parts from american machine shops like you used to work for, and does more for the US economy than any US auto manufacturer, right? And that your dodge was actually built in Mexico, right?
Uncle: Canada, actually. But still the money ultimately goes to an American company.
Me: ...So, you're saying you'd rather your money goes to the corporate executives of "An american company" that builds the vast majority of its vehicles and parts in other countries, employs a relatively small population of american workers, and squanders its money on shiatty cars to the point it has to be bailed out and sold off repeatedly; instead of the money going to a company that actually employs americans, invests in the American economy, supports other American businesses, and actually makes decent vehicles, here in the US, just because their HQ is in Japan? How exactly does funneling your money into the pockets of a small group of executives in the company here in the US and fueling the movement of investment and pay dollars to other countries, thus taking more and more of that money out of our economy, help the US?  Wouldn't it be better to support the company that's putting money back in by employing far more people here than so-called American companies?
 
2014-07-23 08:54:54 PM
Because actuaries.
 
2014-07-23 08:58:40 PM
Man, I have just not kept up on this damn story. I need to find some of those Vox 'What's happening' trading cards or something.
 
2014-07-23 09:00:44 PM

Kit Fister: Boo_Guy: Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?

They always did,  I'd take pretty much anything sold here over a GM or Chrysler product.

Uncle: this new farking Dodge is nothing but trouble and breaks all the damn time.
Me: You know, I gotta say, those Nissan Titan pickups are pretty damn nice. I hear they're high quality.
Uncle: Yeah, well, I won't buy anything but an american vehicle.
Me: You do realize that the company builds them in the US, employs thousands of american skilled laborers and sources parts from american machine shops like you used to work for, and does more for the US economy than any US auto manufacturer, right? And that your dodge was actually built in Mexico, right?
Uncle: Canada, actually. But still the money ultimately goes to an American company.
Me: ...So, you're saying you'd rather your money goes to the corporate executives of "An american company" that builds the vast majority of its vehicles and parts in other countries, employs a relatively small population of american workers, and squanders its money on shiatty cars to the point it has to be bailed out and sold off repeatedly; instead of the money going to a company that actually employs americans, invests in the American economy, supports other American businesses, and actually makes decent vehicles, here in the US, just because their HQ is in Japan? How exactly does funneling your money into the pockets of a small group of executives in the company here in the US and fueling the movement of investment and pay dollars to other countries, thus taking more and more of that money out of our economy, help the US?  Wouldn't it be better to support the company that's putting money back in by employing far more people here than so-called American companies?


Engineering is still here.  And STEM is the last refuge of the middle class.
 
2014-07-23 09:04:21 PM

Kit Fister: Boo_Guy: Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?

They always did,  I'd take pretty much anything sold here over a GM or Chrysler product.

Uncle: this new farking Dodge is nothing but trouble and breaks all the damn time.
Me: You know, I gotta say, those Nissan Titan pickups are pretty damn nice. I hear they're high quality.
Uncle: Yeah, well, I won't buy anything but an american vehicle.
Me: You do realize that the company builds them in the US, employs thousands of american skilled laborers and sources parts from american machine shops like you used to work for, and does more for the US economy than any US auto manufacturer, right? And that your dodge was actually built in Mexico, right?
Uncle: Canada, actually. But still the money ultimately goes to an American company.
Me: ...So, you're saying you'd rather your money goes to the corporate executives of "An american company" that builds the vast majority of its vehicles and parts in other countries, employs a relatively small population of american workers, and squanders its money on shiatty cars to the point it has to be bailed out and sold off repeatedly; instead of the money going to a company that actually employs americans, invests in the American economy, supports other American businesses, and actually makes decent vehicles, here in the US, just because their HQ is in Japan? How exactly does funneling your money into the pockets of a small group of executives in the company here in the US and fueling the movement of investment and pay dollars to other countries, thus taking more and more of that money out of our economy, help the US?  Wouldn't it be better to support the company that's putting money back in by employing far more people here than so-called American companies?


/There you go ag'in, kid, tryin' an' bamboozling me with thems fancy book-learnin' of yours... Stop with your backchat or I'll give you what-for!
 
2014-07-23 09:05:57 PM
So far my Cutlass has yet to be included in any of these recalls.

/ don't look at me like that
// 'bought' it off my parents after my piece of shiat Ford died
 
2014-07-23 09:06:58 PM

Naritai: Engineering is still here. And STEM is the last refuge of the middle class.


Deaths caused by GM engineering (in the last 11 years): Up to, what, 12 now? 13? More?
Deaths caused by Nissan engineering (in the last 11 years): 0.

I'll pay for foreign engineering if investing in American engineering means I take my chances with a rolling sarcophagus
 
2014-07-23 09:07:16 PM
That bailout was totally worth every penny.
 
2014-07-23 09:08:00 PM

Kit Fister: Boo_Guy: Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?

They always did,  I'd take pretty much anything sold here over a GM or Chrysler product.

Uncle: this new farking Dodge is nothing but trouble and breaks all the damn time.
Me: You know, I gotta say, those Nissan Titan pickups are pretty damn nice. I hear they're high quality.
Uncle: Yeah, well, I won't buy anything but an american vehicle.
Me: You do realize that the company builds them in the US, employs thousands of american skilled laborers and sources parts from american machine shops like you used to work for, and does more for the US economy than any US auto manufacturer, right? And that your dodge was actually built in Mexico, right?
Uncle: Canada, actually. But still the money ultimately goes to an American company.
Me: ...So, you're saying you'd rather your money goes to the corporate executives of "An american company" that builds the vast majority of its vehicles and parts in other countries, employs a relatively small population of american workers, and squanders its money on shiatty cars to the point it has to be bailed out and sold off repeatedly; instead of the money going to a company that actually employs americans, invests in the American economy, supports other American businesses, and actually makes decent vehicles, here in the US, just because their HQ is in Japan? How exactly does funneling your money into the pockets of a small group of executives in the company here in the US and fueling the movement of investment and pay dollars to other countries, thus taking more and more of that money out of our economy, help the US?  Wouldn't it be better to support the company that's putting money back in by employing far more people here than so-called American companies?


I work for a Japanese manufacturer here in the US. I have had this same conversation many, many times. It's like arguing on the politics tab though.
 
2014-07-23 09:10:23 PM

Naritai: Kit Fister: Boo_Guy: Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?

They always did,  I'd take pretty much anything sold here over a GM or Chrysler product.

Uncle: this new farking Dodge is nothing but trouble and breaks all the damn time.
Me: You know, I gotta say, those Nissan Titan pickups are pretty damn nice. I hear they're high quality.
Uncle: Yeah, well, I won't buy anything but an american vehicle.
Me: You do realize that the company builds them in the US, employs thousands of american skilled laborers and sources parts from american machine shops like you used to work for, and does more for the US economy than any US auto manufacturer, right? And that your dodge was actually built in Mexico, right?
Uncle: Canada, actually. But still the money ultimately goes to an American company.
Me: ...So, you're saying you'd rather your money goes to the corporate executives of "An american company" that builds the vast majority of its vehicles and parts in other countries, employs a relatively small population of american workers, and squanders its money on shiatty cars to the point it has to be bailed out and sold off repeatedly; instead of the money going to a company that actually employs americans, invests in the American economy, supports other American businesses, and actually makes decent vehicles, here in the US, just because their HQ is in Japan? How exactly does funneling your money into the pockets of a small group of executives in the company here in the US and fueling the movement of investment and pay dollars to other countries, thus taking more and more of that money out of our economy, help the US?  Wouldn't it be better to support the company that's putting money back in by employing far more people here than so-called American companies?

Engineering is still here.  And STEM is the last refuge of the middle class.


My company has giant engineering and design studios here. What else do you have?
 
2014-07-23 09:11:36 PM

Naritai: Engineering is still here. And STEM is the last refuge of the middle class.


Also, what do you know? You live in farking Edmonton, AB, Canada. IT'S YOU DAMN FLAPPY-HEAD CANADIANS WHAT TOOK ER MANNERFACTURIN JERBS BY CAJOLING GM EXECUTIVES WITH THE LOVABLE ACCENT AND SAYING "ABOOT" AND "EH" A LOT! AND BUYING THEM OFF WITH YER DAMN MAPLE SYRUP AND BACON! WE'RE ON TO YOU! :P

/Not even a real country anyway.
//Works for a canadian company as a US citizen, so getting a kick etc. etc.
 
2014-07-23 09:13:30 PM

jehovahs witness protection: ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.

Thank Dog for unions.


I have relatives that worked in GM - Management and Union. It's all about greed, not union-encouraged laziness.

The root cause is a culture of rewarding individuals for suggestions for minor cost reduction, on the basis that saving 10 cents over a 10 million unit production run means a total saving of a MILLION dollars!

The engineers will typically slightly over-design the original components of automobiles - then a series of destructive tests are used to identify points of failure, then it's "back to the drawing board", until the engineers are satisfied that the design is sound enough to last (well, at least until the warranty expires!)

The design is released to manufacture, and those involved in the manufacturing and the 'bean counters' are on the lookout for cost-cutting opportunities

The bean counters are always looking for a way to lower costs - any small saving idea is looked at - eg replacing a machine-thread fastener with a self-tapping screw. The submitter gets some form of recognition for his suggestion, even if it's just a dumb little plaque with his name on it!

Theoretically these changes should be approved by the engineers, but they are usually busy with next-years model, and are rushed or shamed into approving the cheaper assembly without proper testing.

So the newer, cheaper part is not up to spec and failures happen in the field, or worse, and it fails and someone gets killed. After a period of 'stonewalling' where more drivers get seriously hurt or killed, it becomes obvious that a fix is required and the recall notice goes out.

Goddamn cheapskates.
 
2014-07-23 09:14:46 PM
This year? How about from the future?

My 2015 had a recall...

/software upgrade
//expecting MANY more s/w recalls
 
2014-07-23 09:19:27 PM

LeftCoast_eh: This year? How about from the future?

My 2015 had a recall...

/software upgrade
//expecting MANY more s/w recalls


Everyone knows that business quarters start next year in the middle of this year, unlike proper years. DUH!
 
2014-07-23 09:28:17 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: This is billions of dollars of fraud and negligence, but nobody will go to prison.


Who are they going to imprison, the majority owner for a recent few years, the government?
 
2014-07-23 09:28:18 PM

Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?


Don't hold your breath, the other makers are now starting to recall their vehicles for the same key switch thing.  I predict every one of them will be before it is all said and done.
 
2014-07-23 09:33:14 PM

Benjimin_Dover: Devil's Playground: Boy, Toyotas are starting to look a little better every month, now aren't they?

Don't hold your breath, the other makers are now starting to recall their vehicles for the same key switch thing.  I predict every one of them will be before it is all said and done.


Chrysler just today announced an ignition-switch-related recall.
 
2014-07-23 09:34:43 PM

BravadoGT: [images1.dailykos.com image 550x278]


So we won?
 
2014-07-23 09:56:05 PM

Kit Fister: Naritai: Engineering is still here. And STEM is the last refuge of the middle class.

Deaths caused by GM engineering (in the last 11 years): Up to, what, 12 now? 13? More?
Deaths caused by Nissan engineering (in the last 11 years): 0.

I'll pay for foreign engineering if investing in American engineering means I take my chances with a rolling sarcophagus



My wife's 2009 Nissan Versa SL had both front coil springs fracture at different times while parked in the garage.  Let me repeat that.  Both suspension springs snapped in half at different times, and the car was simply parked.  I googled it when the first spring broke, and found other Versa owners complaining about the problem.  Recall?  Nawwww.  Both spring failures happened before 40,000 miles.

The muffler separated from the exhaust pipe at about 25,000 miles.

I wouldn't say Nissan is the shining beacon of quality that you seem to think it is.
 
2014-07-23 09:57:08 PM
I thought I had escaped, but I got the GM letter last week. Apparently my Aveo has some part behind the dash that can catch on fire for no particular reason. I'm assuming it then engulfs the car in flames. But they don't have the parts to fix it so they said they'll let me know at some future date. A lot of people wonder why I have a fire extinguisher handy on the passenger side. I say "because it's a Chevy". It's like a rock. A highly flammable rock.
 
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