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2014-07-23 02:58:22 PM  
If their coffee production is any indicator, they're awesome farmers so I'll believe it.
 
2014-07-23 03:33:49 PM  
Huh. Well, that's a surprise. Good for them.
 
2014-07-23 03:42:44 PM  
Good volcanic soil there in the Rift Zone, sure.
 
2014-07-23 03:44:16 PM  
Get a few pounds of chat while you're at it, have a wild party
 
2014-07-23 03:44:30 PM  
Very rich soil, great elevation, perfect temperatures. Yeah, this should end very well. I'm wondering what varieties they've invested in--I couldn't tell from TFA. Although I really didn't go to the dregs of it.
 
2014-07-23 03:48:10 PM  
Oh "Merlot, syrah and cabernet sauvignon grapes were chosen for the reds that make up 90% of Castel's Rift Valley production, and chardonnay grapes for the white wines."

Syrah. I'm sold. Just lay in some Chianti to round out the deal.
 
2014-07-23 03:58:19 PM  
But, but, but. . . terroir?!?
 
2014-07-23 04:08:48 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: But, but, but. . . terroir?!?



French terroir is kind of being screwed up by climate change. I've read that if it continues they may have to change the grape varieties they grow in some areas, as the ones they've always used won't be able to survive.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/blog/vineyards-clima te -change-threat

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/08/climate-change-could-lead-t o- a-wine-change/
 
2014-07-23 04:14:16 PM  
Mass starvation, unending drought, and very little arable land?

Sounds like you people need a stiff drink!
 
2014-07-23 04:18:15 PM  
Ethiopian honey wine is good.
 
2014-07-23 04:29:47 PM  

Blues_X: InterruptingQuirk: But, but, but. . . terroir?!?


French terroir is kind of being screwed up by climate change. I've read that if it continues they may have to change the grape varieties they grow in some areas, as the ones they've always used won't be able to survive.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/blog/vineyards-clima te -change-threat

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/08/climate-change-could-lead-t o- a-wine-change/


I've been offended on behalf of the French for the self-imposed rules governing what grapes they can grow where. I want to know what happens when you grow a Sauvignon blanc grape in Burgundy. I don't think it would taste that different, but then I'm not a sommelier.
 
2014-07-23 04:33:17 PM  

Blues_X: InterruptingQuirk: But, but, but. . . terroir?!?


French terroir is kind of being screwed up by climate change. I've read that if it continues they may have to change the grape varieties they grow in some areas, as the ones they've always used won't be able to survive.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/blog/vineyards-clima te -change-threat

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/08/climate-change-could-lead-t o- a-wine-change/


The noble grapes of Bordeaux spread all over the Americas in the last century. One -- the Carmenere -- was thought to be lost but was re-discovered in Chile growing along-side merlot grapes. This was recent. They even made a wine called "oops."

French wines are not the best in the world any longer.
 
2014-07-23 04:34:42 PM  
I don't know, their grapes don't look very plump.
c2.staticflickr.com
 
2014-07-23 04:55:32 PM  

vernonFL: Ethiopian honey wine is good.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-23 04:58:53 PM  
I'm making a spicy Kye Wat (with Doro-style eggs) and Misir Wat (with sweet potato) for dinner so I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.

/damn I would love some Ethiopian honey wine right now
 
2014-07-23 04:59:31 PM  

brap: Mass starvation, unending drought, and very little arable land?

Sounds like you people need a stiff drink!


Ethopia actually is doing pretty well now.
 
2014-07-23 05:03:55 PM  
Isn't Ethiopia largely under Muslim control?
You know, those guys who make Carrie Nation seem like a reasonable debator?
 
2014-07-23 05:04:06 PM  

machoprogrammer: brap: Mass starvation, unending drought, and very little arable land?

Sounds like you people need a stiff drink!

Ethiopia actually is doing pretty well now.


"Ethiopian food" is no longer an oxymoron?
 
2014-07-23 05:04:21 PM  

machoprogrammer: Ethopia actually is doing pretty well now.


You're pretty good at stomping on jokes.

Do you do grapes?  I hear they're hiring.
 
2014-07-23 05:06:48 PM  
The good news is all those pirates can stop harassing and kidnapping ships and go back to doing what the Somalians have always been trained to do ...recommending quality wines to diners.
 
2014-07-23 05:09:27 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Blues_X: InterruptingQuirk: But, but, but. . . terroir?!?


French terroir is kind of being screwed up by climate change. I've read that if it continues they may have to change the grape varieties they grow in some areas, as the ones they've always used won't be able to survive.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/blog/vineyards-clima te -change-threat

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/08/climate-change-could-lead-t o- a-wine-change/

I've been offended on behalf of the French for the self-imposed rules governing what grapes they can grow where. I want to know what happens when you grow a Sauvignon blanc grape in Burgundy. I don't think it would taste that different, but then I'm not a sommelier.


It's about preserving tradition.
And money. Lots and lots of money.
 
2014-07-23 05:10:31 PM  

brap: The good news is all those pirates can stop harassing and kidnapping ships and go back to doing what the Somalians have always been trained to do ...recommending quality wines to diners.


I see what you did there...
 
2014-07-23 05:10:42 PM  

brap: The good news is all those pirates can stop harassing and kidnapping ships and go back to doing what the Somalians have always been trained to do ...recommending quality wines to diners.


A winnar is you!
 
2014-07-23 05:11:57 PM  

brap: The good news is all those pirates can stop harassing and kidnapping ships and go back to doing what the Somalians have always been trained to do ...recommending quality wines to diners.


You're on quite a roll lol.

Do rolls come with what you're dishing up!
 
2014-07-23 05:13:37 PM  

vernonFL: Ethiopian honey wine is good.


T'ej is wonderful, but getting Gesho some places is hard. Did Ethiopia not also produce date-wines?
 
2014-07-23 06:01:11 PM  

Snarfangel: I don't know, their grapes don't look very plump.
[c2.staticflickr.com image 454x640]


That's an extreme example, but wine grapes aren't supposed to be "plump". According to the tour guides at the vineyards I've visited, the taste in big grapes get diluted by all their water content, whereas smaller grapes are sweeter.
 
2014-07-23 06:06:45 PM  

Arkanaut: Snarfangel: I don't know, their grapes don't look very plump.
[c2.staticflickr.com image 454x640]

That's an extreme example, but wine grapes aren't supposed to be "plump". According to the tour guides at the vineyards I've visited, the taste in big grapes get diluted by all their water content, whereas smaller grapes are sweeter.


Yeah- that's why they aren't watered much. Concentrates the fruit sugars.
 
2014-07-23 06:17:20 PM  
I would hate to be an Ethinopian food and wine critic.

"Here is an amusing Chiraz, nutty with overtones of peach. I'd tell you the ideal food to pair it with, but this is Ethinopia and we're all starving. "
 
2014-07-23 06:18:04 PM  
I read Flyface Vineyards' Distended Belly Merlot got a 92 from Wine Spectator.
 
2014-07-23 06:24:41 PM  

mainsail: Arkanaut: Snarfangel: I don't know, their grapes don't look very plump.
[c2.staticflickr.com image 454x640]

That's an extreme example, but wine grapes aren't supposed to be "plump". According to the tour guides at the vineyards I've visited, the taste in big grapes get diluted by all their water content, whereas smaller grapes are sweeter.

Yeah- that's why they aren't watered much. Concentrates the fruit sugars.


Have you ever seen champagne grapes? They are tiny.
 
2014-07-23 06:26:06 PM  
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Unavailable for comment on the wine.
 
2014-07-23 06:34:40 PM  

ZMugg: machoprogrammer: brap: Mass starvation, unending drought, and very little arable land?

Sounds like you people need a stiff drink!

Ethiopia actually is doing pretty well now.

"Ethiopian food" is no longer an oxymoron?


No, no its not. There are other sources of information besides 1980s feel-good pop songs from the USA and UK.
 
2014-07-23 06:40:21 PM  

Somacandra: I'm making a spicy Kye Wat (with Doro-style eggs) and Misir Wat (with sweet potato) for dinner so I'm really getting a kick out of this thread.

/damn I would love some Ethiopian honey wine right now


does not help you now, but I was recently introduced to this and enjoyed it (though i had nothing to compare it with previously).  they deliver depending where you are.

http://www.enathoneywine.com/index.html
 
2014-07-23 06:52:23 PM  
While I have met few Ethiopian women that are model-level in beauty, I would opine that on average, Ethiopian women are quite attractive, on par with Lebanese.
 
2014-07-23 07:02:33 PM  

dionysusaur: Isn't Ethiopia largely under Muslim control?
You know, those guys who make Carrie Nation seem like a reasonable debator?


They're mostly Christian. Had lots of Jews as well, but they left to Israel.


Ethiopian food is boring, can't blame them for choosing to starve.
 
2014-07-23 07:06:28 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Blues_X: InterruptingQuirk: But, but, but. . . terroir?!?


French terroir is kind of being screwed up by climate change. I've read that if it continues they may have to change the grape varieties they grow in some areas, as the ones they've always used won't be able to survive.

http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/blog/vineyards-clima te -change-threat

http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2013/08/climate-change-could-lead-t o- a-wine-change/

The noble grapes of Bordeaux spread all over the Americas in the last century. One -- the Carmenere -- was thought to be lost but was re-discovered in Chile growing along-side merlot grapes. This was recent. They even made a wine called "oops."

French wines are not the best in the world any longer.


The French wouldn't even have a wine industry but for Missouri's vineyards. Your welcome Pierre.
 
2014-07-23 07:22:45 PM  
Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon:

The French wouldn't even have a wine industry but for Missouri's vineyards. Your welcome Pierre.

I'm curious.

Can you link the story about that?
 
2014-07-23 07:32:47 PM  
Eating with your hands and drinking from wine glasses doesn't seem to mix.
 
2014-07-23 07:45:35 PM  

spawn73: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon:

The French wouldn't even have a wine industry but for Missouri's vineyards. Your welcome Pierre.

I'm curious.

Can you link the story about that?


Vine Louse ( vine lice?) were killing European vineyards until Missouri strains were introduced.
 
2014-07-23 07:48:35 PM  

spawn73: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon:

The French wouldn't even have a wine industry but for Missouri's vineyards. Your welcome Pierre.

I'm curious.

Can you link the story about that?


I assume he's talking about the Great French Wine Blight.  I don't know that it was Missouri grapes they used to solve the problem, but it was American grapes.  Though American grapes caused the problem in the first place, so we probably shouldn't be tooting our horns too much.
 
2014-07-23 07:53:27 PM  
The highlands are over a mile high and it's cool and rainy there.  It's not surprising.  You can get good wines in a surprising variety of places.  McPherson makes a kickass wine out of Lubbock, TX.  http://www.mcphersoncellars.com/
 
2014-07-23 08:06:14 PM  

rugman11: spawn73: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon:

The French wouldn't even have a wine industry but for Missouri's vineyards. Your welcome Pierre.

I'm curious.

Can you link the story about that?

I assume he's talking about the Great French Wine Blight.  I don't know that it was Missouri grapes they used to solve the problem, but it was American grapes.  Though American grapes caused the problem in the first place, so we probably shouldn't be tooting our horns too much.


American grapes didn't cause the problem. British plant collectors bringing American breed vines to Europe caused it.
 
2014-07-23 08:09:56 PM  

rugman11: spawn73: Land_of_the_Magic_Dragon:

The French wouldn't even have a wine industry but for Missouri's vineyards. Your welcome Pierre.

I'm curious.

Can you link the story about that?

I assume he's talking about the Great French Wine Blight.  I don't know that it was Missouri grapes they used to solve the problem, but it was American grapes.  Though American grapes caused the problem in the first place, so we probably shouldn't be tooting our horns too much.


Kinda. American rootstock, onto which French varietals were grafted. There's a root louse, phylloxera (sp?) that's endemic to the US, but was unknown in Europe, that was introduced accidentally in the late 1800's. And, yes, it almost killed the French wine industry. Resistant rootstock is the norm in most of the world, although there are some places where the louse won't survive (generally, with sandy soil and windy climate), and you find own-root vines.
 
2014-07-23 08:27:20 PM  

dionysusaur: Isn't Ethiopia largely under Muslim control?


Nope, Christian. Ethiopia was officially Christian about the time Rome was. Also the Muslim part split off and is now Eritrea. Though there are still Muslims in Ethiopia they don't run the place.
 
2014-07-23 09:07:20 PM  

WhyteRaven74: dionysusaur: Isn't Ethiopia largely under Muslim control?

Nope, Christian. Ethiopia was officially Christian about the time Rome was. Also the Muslim part split off and is now Eritrea. Though there are still Muslims in Ethiopia they don't run the place.


Eritrea is majority Christian. The Muslims are generally poorer and therefore further from power.
 
2014-07-23 09:13:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: dionysusaur: Isn't Ethiopia largely under Muslim control?

Nope, Christian. Ethiopia was officially Christian about the time Rome was. Also the Muslim part split off and is now Eritrea. Though there are still Muslims in Ethiopia they don't run the place.


The Coptic church in Ethiopia is older then the official legal Roman church by a couple hundred years.
 
2014-07-23 10:53:33 PM  

WhyteRaven74: dionysusaur: Isn't Ethiopia largely under Muslim control?

Nope, Christian. Ethiopia was officially Christian about the time Rome was. Also the Muslim part split off and is now Eritrea. Though there are still Muslims in Ethiopia they don't run the place.


I had Tigrinya-speaking students from Eritrea who lived in the "Little Somalia" neighborhood of east Phoenix. They were really moderate (read "lazy") Muslims who ate pork and loved celebrating Christmas with their friends. The Habte family are some of the coolest people I've ever known. We had a huge food drive at our school in 2001 and I remember the whole family showing up (all 13 or 14 of them) loaded down with bags full of groceries to donate. They had to have spent at least an entire paycheck on it. These were people who had actually lived through a biblical-like famine. It's humbling to know people like that.

Through an extremely odd coincidence I was in a doctor's office once and the secretary was on the phone asking to herself, "What the hell is Tigrinya?" Then she says into the phone, "I don't know how I can help, ma'am." She was on the phone with a nurse who was desperately searching for somebody who could interpret Tigrinya at Banner Good Samaritan in Phoenix. I searched through my phone really fast and I still had the Habte family's number in my phone from a previous field trip. I showed the secretary the number and said, "Tell her to call this number. They speak Tigrinya." My former student, Rahel, answered the phone and helped save a life.

/csb; tldr
 
2014-07-23 10:54:51 PM  
There's a lot fantastic New World wine in the world. Frankly, I don't drink many Old World wines anymore except for Valpolicellas superiore ripassos.

My favorites are currently South American malbecs and Okanagan Valley rieslings.
 
2014-07-23 11:01:46 PM  

GoodHomer: There's a lot fantastic New World wine in the world. Frankly, I don't drink many Old World wines anymore except for Valpolicellas superiore ripassos.

My favorites are currently South American malbecs and Okanagan Valley rieslings.


One of my best friends lives literally on the other side of the wall from one of the Undurraga vineyards in Chile. They make an awesome Cabernet, I'm told, but I can't find Undurraga here in U.S. I am perfectly happy with a Cab-Merlot blend from Concha y Toro or Gato Blanco/Gato Negro. Chilean reds are cheap, plentiful, and delicious.
 
2014-07-23 11:08:08 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: GoodHomer: There's a lot fantastic New World wine in the world. Frankly, I don't drink many Old World wines anymore except for Valpolicellas superiore ripassos.

My favorites are currently South American malbecs and Okanagan Valley rieslings.

One of my best friends lives literally on the other side of the wall from one of the Undurraga vineyards in Chile. They make an awesome Cabernet, I'm told, but I can't find Undurraga here in U.S. I am perfectly happy with a Cab-Merlot blend from Concha y Toro or Gato Blanco/Gato Negro. Chilean reds are cheap, plentiful, and delicious.


Yup. It's hard to go wrong with South American reds at all.
 
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