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(The Week)   Conservative who despises Ayn Rand explains why so many of his fellow right-wingers love her   (theweek.com) divider line 302
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2014-07-23 01:53:02 PM  
Four reasons:

1. It's a wish-fulfillment fantasy - John Galt is like Frodo
2. The book can be disassociated from its politics. Because Frodo hates cars. Or something.
3. There's no conservatism in most art works. Except for those paintings of Obama burning the Constitution.
4. Capitalism improves human conditions. We find meaning through work. To quote a popular german motto, Arbeit Macht Frei.

I would have just gone with

1. Because shallow-minded people who fear things they don't understand can be easily indoctrinated into a cult through manipulative writing.
 
2014-07-23 02:06:32 PM  
I have a slinking suspicioun that this author, like the vast majority of people who speak both for and against Ayn Rand, has an understanding of Rand's "body of work" that is based entirely on reading a few often-quoted passages from Atlas Shrugged (and the responses to them) in various internet forums and skimming the Wikipedia entry for Objectivism.
 
2014-07-23 02:08:27 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I have a slinking suspicioun that this author, like the vast majority of people who speak both for and against Ayn Rand, has an understanding of Rand's "body of work" that is based entirely on reading a few often-quoted passages from Atlas Shrugged (and the responses to them) in various internet forums and skimming the Wikipedia entry for Objectivism.


Given that the entire article, in spite of suggesting it would be a take down of Rand's BS, was the same whining about progressives and liberals being the real oppressors, I'd say you're spot on.
 
2014-07-23 02:11:57 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I have a slinking suspicioun that this author, like the vast majority of people who speak both for and against Ayn Rand, has an understanding of Rand's "body of work" that is based entirely on reading a few often-quoted passages from Atlas Shrugged (and the responses to them) in various internet forums and skimming the Wikipedia entry for Objectivism.


That much?
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-07-23 02:21:47 PM  

bdub77: 4. Capitalism improves human conditions. We find meaning through work. To quote a popular german motto, Arbeit Macht Frei.


Wow; Godwinned right off the bat.
 
2014-07-23 02:25:47 PM  

bdub77: Four reasons:

1. It's a wish-fulfillment fantasy - John Galt is like Frodo
2. The book can be disassociated from its politics. Because Frodo hates cars. Or something.
3. There's no conservatism in most art works. Except for those paintings of Obama burning the Constitution.
4. Capitalism improves human conditions. We find meaning through work. To quote a popular german motto, Arbeit Macht Frei.

I would have just gone with

1. Because shallow-minded people who fear things they don't understand can be easily indoctrinated into a cult through manipulative writing.


www.theholocaustexplained.org
 
2014-07-23 02:26:44 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I have a slinking suspicioun that this author, like the vast majority of people who speak both for and against Ayn Rand, has an understanding of Rand's "body of work" that is based entirely on reading a few often-quoted passages from Atlas Shrugged (and the responses to them) in various internet forums and skimming the Wikipedia entry for Objectivism.


I read The Fountainhead without being aware of Ayn Rand's reputation or philosophy. The girl I was dating at the time recommended it.

That book pretty much infuriated me for its implausability. There is NO WAY Howard Roark would have succeeded in reality. I just read every page while rolling my eyes. Only later did I discover the points she was trying to make. Anyone who doesn't recognize her writing as complete fantasy with no bearing on reality probably doesn't live in the real world anyway.
 
2014-07-23 02:31:17 PM  
obviously it's because she was three things that conservatives love:  a woman, a russian and an atheist.
 
2014-07-23 02:37:52 PM  
RINO!
 
2014-07-23 02:38:01 PM  

doublesecretprobation: obviously it's because she was three things that conservatives love:  a woman, a russian and an atheist.



Wait -- are mail-order brides atheists?

I'm asking for a friend.
 
2014-07-23 02:42:23 PM  
It promotes a ridiculous hypothesis without supporting evidence and creates a cult around so called free market ideology which is in ridiculous contrast to anything that Adam Smith would have applied.
 
2014-07-23 02:51:45 PM  
It's the political theory equivalent of creationism. It's just not present in the thinking of any serious person.
 
2014-07-23 02:58:38 PM  

Tigger: It's the political theory equivalent of creationism. It's just not present in the thinking of any serious person.


What about serious cat?
cloudfront-media.reason.com
/Someone's MS Paint rather than Photoshop, but hey, it's free.
 
2014-07-23 03:04:05 PM  

Snarfangel: Tigger: It's the political theory equivalent of creationism. It's just not present in the thinking of any serious person.

What about serious cat?
[cloudfront-media.reason.com image 350x600]
/Someone's MS Paint rather than Photoshop, but hey, it's free.


Making poltical decisions based on where serious cat took a shiat would produce better results than Objectivism because eventually the cat would get lucky.

So far

Cat shiat: 1
Ayn Rand: 0
 
2014-07-23 03:28:44 PM  
She makes for a convenient punching bag for progressives, because she embodies the caricatured version of what progressives imagine conservatives really think: that egotism and greed are good and that the parasitic weak deserve to be trod upon by the capitalistic powerful.

I'm insulted by her use of "caricatured" after the Romney campaign.
 
2014-07-23 03:29:58 PM  

bdub77: Four reasons:


Try one:

TFA: And then there are people like me: conservatives who view themselves as Christians first.

But I do like this little bit of irony a little further down...

2. It's possible to dissociate a book from its politics
 
2014-07-23 03:31:09 PM  
I nearly choked with laughter when on Elementary, Sherlock said:


"Ayn Rand - Philosopher in chief to the intellectually bankrupt."

 
2014-07-23 03:36:12 PM  
"I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough." -Hitchens
 
2014-07-23 04:45:03 PM  
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Bf+
2014-07-23 04:47:17 PM  
3. There are too few works of art in popular culture that have conservative values

Too few?
False.
 
2014-07-23 04:47:40 PM  
I hate her because you have to pronounce her name like "Ein" instead of "Anne."
 
2014-07-23 04:47:57 PM  

Diogenes: She makes for a convenient punching bag for progressives, because she embodies the caricatured version of what progressives imagine conservatives really think: that egotism and greed are good and that the parasitic weak deserve to be trod upon by the capitalistic powerful.

I'm insulted by her use of "caricatured" after the Romney campaign.


www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com
 
2014-07-23 04:50:05 PM  

bdub77: Four reasons:

1. It's a wish-fulfillment fantasy - John Galt is like Frodo
2. The book can be disassociated from its politics. Because Frodo hates cars. Or something.
3. There's no conservatism in most art works. Except for those paintings of Obama burning the Constitution.
4. Capitalism improves human conditions. We find meaning through work. To quote a popular german motto, Arbeit Macht Frei.

I would have just gone with

1. Because shallow-minded people who fear things they don't understand can be easily indoctrinated into a cult through manipulative writing.


You've just been green 5'd.

+1
 
2014-07-23 04:50:49 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I have a slinking suspicioun that this author, like the vast majority of people who speak both for and against Ayn Rand, has an understanding of Rand's "body of work" that is based entirely on reading a few often-quoted passages from Atlas Shrugged (and the responses to them) in various internet forums and skimming the Wikipedia entry for Objectivism.


I've read: We the Living, Anthem, The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged, For the New intellectual, The Virtue of Selfishness, The Romantic Manifesto, and Philosophy: Who Needs it.

I read all of them when I was young. And an asshole.

/I got better.
 
2014-07-23 04:51:08 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: bdub77: Four reasons:

Try one:

TFA: And then there are people like me: conservatives who view themselves as Christians first.

But I do like this little bit of irony a little further down...

2. It's possible to dissociate a book from its politics


There is no such thing as a christian conservative, you can be one or the other.
 
2014-07-23 04:51:34 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: It's possible to dissociate a book from its politics


Yep, I got to the quote too.  This guy misses the crucial point that the fans do not even remotely do this.
 
2014-07-23 04:51:41 PM  
I'm not a fan of Ayn Rand, but I thought it was an interesting article.
 
2014-07-23 04:52:55 PM  
Also:

"I'm a Christian first" which is why I vote for a party that shiats all over the poor.
 
2014-07-23 04:53:57 PM  

Diogenes: I nearly choked with laughter when on Elementary, Sherlock said:


"Ayn Rand - Philosopher in chief to the intellectually bankrupt."


I about fell off my couch laughing when I heard that during that episode. The way Jonny Lee Miller says it with such disdain is just hilarious.
 
2014-07-23 04:54:42 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: bdub77: Four reasons:

Try one:

TFA: And then there are people like me: conservatives who view themselves as Christians first.

But I do like this little bit of irony a little further down...

2. It's possible to dissociate a book from its politics



shouldn't he have written;

And then there are people like me: Christian who view themselves as conservative.
 
2014-07-23 04:54:56 PM  
Because most of the fans of the book envision themselves as unappreciated John Galts in waiting. They've become conviced that the only reason they're not in the top 1% is because of all "the takers," and they fantasize about the day that, like Galt, they take their ball and go home. Yeah, that'll show 'em.

Plus, a lot of folks with that line of thinking are just so damn proud of themselves for reading such a long book, they have to let everyone know about it, and make it seem more deep and life-changing than it actually is.
 
2014-07-23 04:55:19 PM  
Wow... FTFA "capitalism is a deeply morally righteous system."

Right.....


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Also...

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2014-07-23 04:56:23 PM  

stoli n coke: Because most of the fans of the book envision themselves as unappreciated John Galts in waiting. They've become conviced that the only reason they're not in the top 1% is because of all "the takers," and they fantasize about the day that, like Galt, they take their ball and go home. Yeah, that'll show 'em.

Plus, a lot of folks with that line of thinking are just so damn proud of themselves for reading such a long book, they have to let everyone know about it, and make it seem more deep and life-changing than it actually is.


I would suggest that reading a book that long probably is a life-goal akin to climbing everest for some people.
 
2014-07-23 04:58:01 PM  
And no, liberals: It's not because they're greedy jerks who loathe the poor


Author starts out by telling a giant lie right out the gate.

"There are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what ... who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives,"
 
2014-07-23 04:58:59 PM  

meat0918: Wow... FTFA "capitalism is a deeply morally righteous system."

Right....


I feel ya, but Capitalism is no more our problem, than Communism was the USSR's.

Fascism is what we have. True capitalism would be great.
 
2014-07-23 04:59:22 PM  

neongoats: stoli n coke: Because most of the fans of the book envision themselves as unappreciated John Galts in waiting. They've become conviced that the only reason they're not in the top 1% is because of all "the takers," and they fantasize about the day that, like Galt, they take their ball and go home. Yeah, that'll show 'em.

Plus, a lot of folks with that line of thinking are just so damn proud of themselves for reading such a long book, they have to let everyone know about it, and make it seem more deep and life-changing than it actually is.

I would suggest that reading a book that long probably is a life-goal akin to climbing everest for some people.


I mean, let's be honest here...
 
2014-07-23 05:00:03 PM  
I love Christian Ayn Rand fans.
That makes as much sense as a Wall Street financial advisor who loves the writings of Karl Marx.

/These must have been the guys who would follow the hottest girl in school around every day hoping she'd notice them.  If she noticed them, she'd either say "eww!" or play some mean practical joke on them.  And they would still keep following her.
 
2014-07-23 05:01:30 PM  

jgbrowning: Pocket Ninja: I have a slinking suspicioun that this author, like the vast majority of people who speak both for and against Ayn Rand, has an understanding of Rand's "body of work" that is based entirely on reading a few often-quoted passages from Atlas Shrugged (and the responses to them) in various internet forums and skimming the Wikipedia entry for Objectivism.

I've read: We the Living, Anthem, The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged, For the New intellectual, The Virtue of Selfishness, The Romantic Manifesto, and Philosophy: Who Needs it.

I read all of them when I was young. And an asshole.

/I got better.


Me too.  And when I was 18-19 they seemed really spot on.  Then you grow up, experience life and realize what a load of shiat they are.
 
2014-07-23 05:02:29 PM  

s2s2s2: True capitalism would be great.


no true capitalism fallacy
 
2014-07-23 05:02:59 PM  

s2s2s2: meat0918: Wow... FTFA "capitalism is a deeply morally righteous system."

Right....

I feel ya, but Capitalism is no more our problem, than Communism was the USSR's.

Fascism Oligarchy is what we have. True capitalism would be great.


FTFY
 
2014-07-23 05:03:19 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: I hate her because you have to pronounce her name like "Ein" instead of "Anne."


img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-07-23 05:03:22 PM  

s2s2s2: meat0918: Wow... FTFA "capitalism is a deeply morally righteous system."

Right....

I feel ya, but Capitalism is no more our problem, than Communism was the USSR's.

Fascism is what we have. True capitalism would be great.


I know that true capitalism would not leave people that couldn't afford food starving in the streets and those that could afford healthcare dying without care.... oh wait
 
2014-07-23 05:05:19 PM  
This means that, much like democracy, capitalism is a deeply morally righteous system.


gaze with astonishment at all the morality in D.C. and at every level of governance, peer with pride at the righteousness on Wall Street and in our for profit healthcare system and at our southern borders.

that line gave me cancer.
 
2014-07-23 05:05:33 PM  
Having actually read Rand's body of work (Anthem, The Fountainhead, Atlas Shrugged), no.

The reason Conservatives like Rand is for the same reason they like the Bible: Verse and notions found within can be used as pseudo-intellectual claim to authority when defending their poorly thought out lines of logic. Many times missing the point entirely, I might add.

Take the 2012 election for example. I heard Teahadists and Randroids alike pointing at Romney and claiming he was a self made man like John Galt. Even if taken in context, all things being considered, Mitt Romney would have found a much more apropos comparison in James Taggart.

It's just another book Conservatives think makes them appear smarter for having read, despite showing evidence of failing to grasp the point of the book entirely.
 
2014-07-23 05:05:49 PM  
And you know, I do think many people want to feel needed and necessary.  They like creating things, even if it's just a carved stick for the grand kids or dinner for a spouse, or some multibillion dollar road system or spacecraft to the great beyond.
 
2014-07-23 05:06:51 PM  
3. There are too few works of art in popular culture that have conservative values

That's like complaining that there are too few country songs about working in IT.  Art in general tends to be about people expressing something outside of the mundane or status quo, which by definition excludes conservatism.

Although, there is one huge "conservative" theme that permeates almost all fantasy and sci-fi media: the idea that the "old ways" are always better.  Computers and lasers and starships bad, ancient magical mind powers good.  Ancient civilization that was wiped out is nevertheless depicted as being superior to current civilization, despite being wiped out.  You will find very, very little media that depicts the "liberal" idea of letting go of the old ways and embracing the forward evolution of civilization as a "good" thing.
 
2014-07-23 05:07:12 PM  

doublesecretprobation: obviously it's because she was three things that conservatives love:  a woman, a russian and an atheist.


And was nailed by former Fed chairman Alan Greenspan.
 
2014-07-23 05:07:42 PM  
On the lack of conservative art :

1. Modern country is not art, so there goes a lot of music

2. They are making big budget bible movies for you although counterpoint, the Left Behind movies give you either Kirk Cameron or Nick Cage

3. You've got Obama stepping on the constitution and such in painting form.  Which is nice.

4. Comedy is right on out of your wheelhouse because conservitive humor isn't actually funny.
 
2014-07-23 05:08:34 PM  

Isitoveryet: This means that, much like democracy, capitalism is a deeply morally righteous system.


gaze with astonishment at all the morality in D.C. and at every level of governance, peer with pride at the righteousness on Wall Street and in our for profit healthcare system and at our southern borders.

that line gave me cancer.


Yeah I can't make any sense out of that statement.  Does capitalism feed the hungry?  Does it clothe the naked?  Does it heal the sick?  No, it does not.
 
2014-07-23 05:09:52 PM  
I can see the appeal.

Tapping back into the id and ignoring everything but ones own gratification.

Sure it makes you a colossally self-absorbed douchenozzle that had no place in civilized society but those people also tend to get rewarded at least on the most superficial levels.
 
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