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2014-07-23 09:39:48 AM  
i293.photobucket.com

/obligatory.

Scary PDF *is* scary.

Fringe extremist nationalist groups grew from 150 groups tracked by the SPLC when Obama was first elected to over 1000 such group by 2014.

The radical right has only become emboldened by what they perceive as a victory in the Bundy Ranch standoff.

The SPLC notes that people like Sean Hannity actively encouraged these illegal shenanigans before going back to calling Obama "lawless" every 5 minutes.

These idiots have a short fuse and are addicted to a diet of hate radio and fake outrage TV.

That's a bad combination.
 
2014-07-23 10:03:28 AM  
Someone was trying to tell me yesterday that American extremists never really gain any power or momentum. A sheriff supported them. They had numerous elected officials that were standing behind them until Bundy's "negro" speech, and, even now, those same politicians do not support any type of government action against this lawless band of racist, xenophobic idiotic scofflaws. It is a pretty sorry day when the word "patriot" has come to stand for the fascist elements of our society.
 
2014-07-23 10:30:41 AM  

DeaH: It is a pretty sorry day when the word "patriot" has come to stand for the fascist elements of our society.


They're not fascist, they're pseudo-anarchist. This "sovereign citizen" crap is that no government has authority over them, and the only laws that count for anything are those that are protected by force of arms of the local militia. You know, Somalia.
 
2014-07-23 10:45:54 AM  

nmrsnr: They're not fascist, they're pseudo-anarchist. idiots.

 
2014-07-23 10:46:15 AM  
thebooksmugglers.com

I say we take off and nuke the entire Bundy Ranch from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.
 
2014-07-23 10:55:21 AM  

tnpir: [thebooksmugglers.com image 300x400]

I say we take off and nuke the entire Bundy Ranch from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.


I actually kind of agree agree. I don't typically advocate for violence, but frankly the way to avoid more violence in the future is to do it now and let people know they can't just take a parcel of land from the feds, and not only will the feds go in there but they'll show these armed idiots what a night time SEAL raid on a compound looks like.

On the other hand, all you really have to do is arrest the guy. Is it really that hard to put cuffs on this asshole?

I suspect this very close Senatorial election cycle is having a very strong influence on how much the Obama administration is willing to bend. They don't want another Waco, even though in my opinion - take out those f*ckers and then go on national TV and say:
 
2014-07-23 10:56:06 AM  
obamakicksdoor.jpg :) (stupid image size)
 
2014-07-23 11:00:02 AM  
i595.photobucket.com

/I don't know why I did this either
 
2014-07-23 11:08:08 AM  
came here for Pogo. left satisfied.
 
2014-07-23 12:40:35 PM  

nmrsnr: DeaH: It is a pretty sorry day when the word "patriot" has come to stand for the fascist elements of our society.

They're not fascist, they're pseudo-anarchist. This "sovereign citizen" crap is that no government has authority over them, and the only laws that count for anything are those that are protected by force of arms of the local militia. You know, Somalia.


Really? Because they sure as hell want to put certain ethnic groups "in their place." And they want to run everything by force. These guys are not libertarians, They're stupid, sure. But they are fascists, not anarchists. They want to rule, and they want to make the world into the way they want it to look by force.

/Sovereign citizens aren't anarchists - they are dumbness who think they can declare themselves as non-citizens and then not follow the law like any other alien on foreign soil would have to do.
 
2014-07-23 01:11:45 PM  

DeaH: Sovereign citizens aren't anarchists - they are dumbness who think they can declare themselves as non-citizens and then not follow the law like any other alien on foreign soil would have to do.


And many times, they are the same ones who complain about "illegal immigrants" not following American laws.

Can anyone imagine how the Cliven Bundy story would have played out had he been a Latino (even one on a visa) who could barely speak English?
 
2014-07-23 01:14:06 PM  
Gotta love "patriot" groups that seem to want nothing more than to incite armed insurrection against the very nation they're so damned proud of.
 
2014-07-23 01:18:46 PM  

Kome: Gotta love "patriot" groups that seem to want nothing more than to incite armed insurrection against the very nation they're so damned proud of.


"We love our Constitution so much that we're going to fire assault rifles at the officers who are bound by oath to uphold and enforce it."
 
2014-07-23 01:20:33 PM  

bdub77: I suspect this very close Senatorial election cycle is having a very strong influence on how much the Obama administration is willing to bend. They don't want another Waco, even though in my opinion - take out those f*ckers and then go on national TV and say


It'd be nice if that were true, but I have a feeling the Wednesday after election day won't see a cleansing wave of law enforcement.

I get why the President is tries moderation and diplomacy, I'm just tired of it.  There's going to be a shiatstorm anyway, we might as well clear out some dumbasses while we're at it.
 
2014-07-23 01:21:03 PM  
www.conservativehq.com
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.
 
2014-07-23 01:25:16 PM  

Maud Dib: [www.conservativehq.com image 585x329]
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.


Gotta admit, it's god damned hilarious that they think the Bureau of Land Management can impose Martial Law.
 
2014-07-23 01:26:31 PM  

Maud Dib: [www.conservativehq.com image 585x329]
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.


No, no, no. They're talking about Mr. Eugene A. Law, a locally-assigned agent with the US Marshals Service. He has a bad reputation in those parts... and they were simply concerned BLM would ask him to apprehend Bundy.

Wait, even that would have been misspelled. Those frikkin inbred jackass illiterate 'tards.
 
2014-07-23 01:29:25 PM  

Maud Dib: [www.conservativehq.com image 585x329]
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.


You misunderstand; the sign is a response to reports of planned intervention by this guy:

www.fightersgeneration.com
 
2014-07-23 01:32:10 PM  

Maud Dib: [www.conservativehq.com image 585x329]
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.


Those retards are obviously begging for a fight.  I say give them what they want.  You bring your rifles and we'll bring the drones, and the last person standing gets control of the land.  Deal?
 
2014-07-23 01:34:40 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Maud Dib: [www.conservativehq.com image 585x329]
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.

Gotta admit, it's god damned hilarious that they think the Bureau of Land Management can impose Martial Law.


Marshall Law.  Named for Thomas Marshall, second Bureau Chief of Land Management, who declared only he and the President could dictate law on federally controlled territories, citing Congressional laws were created by state representatives, not federal.  The activist court of the time upheld his ruling, and "The Big T" (as he is called in internal documents from then) went on to rule with an iron fist, including lots of cattle rape.  Since then, Marshall Law has become the term for any oppressive regime trying to use cleverly worded technicalities to control sovereign citizens.
 
2014-07-23 01:35:48 PM  

quatchi: Fringe extremist nationalist groups grew from 150 groups tracked by the SPLC when Obama was first elected to over 1000 such group by 2014.


Then again, the SPLC also told us Jared Loughner was part of a nationwide anti-government movement, as opposed to being a paranoid schizophrenic.

I'm glad someone watches out for hate groups, but if you sneeze the wrong way, SPLC will tell the world it was a gang sign and put your name on a list.
 
2014-07-23 01:38:35 PM  
Vodka Zombie: Maud Dib: [www.conservativehq.com image 585x329]
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.

Gotta admit, it's god damned hilarious that they think the Bureau of Land Management can impose Martial Law.


It was marital law and, by gum, do you know how many people were forced to gay-marry those desert tortoises?
 
2014-07-23 01:39:01 PM  

Maud Dib: [www.conservativehq.com image 585x329]
Marshall Law?
Frikkin' inbred jackass illiterate tards.


Not to mention the government collecting on what Bundy owes = "government takeover" and "infringed rights."  Well, I've heard everything now.

Then again, maybe we should dust this all up again and get every reactionary militant freak to show up in defense of Bundy one more time.  This way these illiterate tards would ALL be in one desolate place as the rest of the country can go about their business with a reduced threat of domestic terrorism in their respective areas.

Maybe then fence them in and make it a point-and-laugh zoo.
 
2014-07-23 01:40:29 PM  

bdub77: I actually kind of agree agree. I don't typically advocate for violence, but frankly the way to avoid more violence in the future is to do it now and let people know they can't just take a parcel of land from the feds, and not only will the feds go in there but they'll show these armed idiots what a night time SEAL raid on a compound looks like.


Deploying the military within the borders of the US to attack US citizens is not only a violation of the law, it's an absolutely terrible and terrifying precedent to set. Many people viewed the Occupy protesters as terrorists and advocated sending in the military to put them in their place. Obviously it was a different situation - the OWS people weren't facing down federal agents with guns - but it's still not a road we want to go down. You might be comfortable with giving Obama the authority to use the military against right-wing groups, but there is an important question you need to ask yourself: would you be comfortable giving that same kind of authority to someone like Cheney? It wouldn't be all that hard to plant a few agitators in the crowd, get them on television "threatening" the police with violence, and then send in the shock troops. Suddenly you have a bunch of dead hippies and we've just taken a giant leap towards a full-blown police state. Our police forces are already too militarized. Using the actual military as law enforcement on our own citizenry would be infinitely worse.
 
2014-07-23 01:41:51 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: quatchi: Fringe extremist nationalist groups grew from 150 groups tracked by the SPLC when Obama was first elected to over 1000 such group by 2014.

Then again, the SPLC also told us Jared Loughner was part of a nationwide anti-government movement, as opposed to being a paranoid schizophrenic.

I'm glad someone watches out for hate groups, but if you sneeze the wrong way, SPLC will tell the world it was a gang sign and put your name on a list.


Most of these "patriot" groups are made up of people who are seriously paranoid, if not schizophrenic.  And Loughner attacked one of the politicians that Sarah Palin had put in her "surveyor's marks."
 
2014-07-23 01:44:21 PM  

mod3072: Deploying the military within the borders of the US to attack US citizens is not only a violation of the law, it's an absolutely terrible and terrifying precedent to set.


Correct, the FBI is the right agency to use with Bundy and his ilk.  We don't necessarily need violence, but that farker broke the law and he shouldn't get to have some kind of special immunity.
 
2014-07-23 01:44:57 PM  
I have a hard time taking such reports seriously. I'm not saying there aren't crazies out there, but the nature of such publications is to paint as many people as crazy as possible, to make the reporters relevant.

/looking at you, Project Megiddo
//yes, I know that was a fed, rather than SPLC, report
 
2014-07-23 01:47:28 PM  

Facetious_Speciest: I have a hard time taking such reports seriously. I'm not saying there aren't crazies out there, but the nature of such publications is to paint as many people as crazy as possible, to make the reporters relevant.

/looking at you, Project Megiddo
//yes, I know that was a fed, rather than SPLC, report


I'd rather see a Federal report. At least that would be accountable to someone. It might even be more concise.
 
2014-07-23 01:51:08 PM  
Ah another baldershiat Southern Law Hyperbole Center article that equates a group of active duty law enforcement officers to people who murder law enforcement officers, and %56 of a CNN poll who are distrustful of the Federal Gov't's treatment of personal liberty to Neo-Nazis.
 
2014-07-23 01:55:37 PM  
Why do people who believe so much in property rights think that they have rights to property with multiple owners without the other owners' permission?
 
2014-07-23 01:56:25 PM  

1derful: Ah another baldershiat Southern Law Hyperbole Center article that equates a group of active duty law enforcement officers to people who murder law enforcement officers, and %56 of a CNN poll who are distrustful of the Federal Gov't's treatment of personal liberty to Neo-Nazis.


So you didn't read it. Fair enough.
 
2014-07-23 01:58:34 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Why do people who believe so much in property rights think that they have rights to property with multiple owners without the other owners' permission?


And why do those people think they don't have to pay the same bills that everyone else pays?  Jesus, if I stopped paying my cable bill and then pointed guns at the cable guy when he came to disconnect me, nobody would be calling me a patriot.

/unless Comcast is the cable company in question
//and in my case, it is :(
///ok, so maybe that was a bad example
 
2014-07-23 02:06:36 PM  
Terrorists gonna terrorize.

Or, well, try to.

OK, they'll just complain and grandstand.
 
2014-07-23 02:06:56 PM  

bdub77: tnpir: [thebooksmugglers.com image 300x400]

I say we take off and nuke the entire Bundy Ranch from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

I actually kind of agree agree. I don't typically advocate for violence, but frankly the way to avoid more violence in the future is to do it now and let people know they can't just take a parcel of land from the feds, and not only will the feds go in there but they'll show these armed idiots what a night time SEAL raid on a compound looks like.


I agree especially since they seem think that they're Special Forces.
 
2014-07-23 02:09:40 PM  

1derful: Ah another baldershiat Southern Law Hyperbole Center article that equates a group of active duty law enforcement officers to people who murder law enforcement officers, and %56 of a CNN poll who are distrustful of the Federal Gov't's treatment of personal liberty to Neo-Nazis.


Now do the one where the SPLC doesn't consider black nationalists a hate group so we can post their report on  NPBB and be done with your "rebuttal".
 
2014-07-23 02:11:57 PM  
Just do what the last guy did. Print up the SPLC list, grab some Chik-Fil-A, and go try and shoot up some of them groups.
 
2014-07-23 02:20:20 PM  

nmrsnr: DeaH: It is a pretty sorry day when the word "patriot" has come to stand for the fascist elements of our society.

They're not fascist, they're pseudo-anarchist. This "sovereign citizen" crap is that no government has authority over them, and the only laws that count for anything are those that are protected by force of arms of the local militia. You know, Somalia.


Some folks have a Dogberry like need to use words. Anarchist... Fascist... Nazi... All slang for bad dude.
 
2014-07-23 02:23:42 PM  
I blame a lack of parental responsibility coupled with their thug culture.
 
2014-07-23 02:27:00 PM  

azazyel: bdub77: tnpir: [thebooksmugglers.com image 300x400]

I say we take off and nuke the entire Bundy Ranch from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

I actually kind of agree agree. I don't typically advocate for violence, but frankly the way to avoid more violence in the future is to do it now and let people know they can't just take a parcel of land from the feds, and not only will the feds go in there but they'll show these armed idiots what a night time SEAL raid on a compound looks like.

I agree especially since they seem think that they're Special Forces.


Didn't you know that, when equipped, an AR-15 provides a Sphere of Protection +1?
 
2014-07-23 02:28:20 PM  
These types of folks are the ones that always want the government to build a wall. I say build the wall around the ranch ... then fill it with sewage.
 
2014-07-23 02:28:46 PM  
tnpir:

So you didn't read it. Fair enough.

You'll find it in the timeline. But fair enough, you don't read.
 
2014-07-23 02:29:45 PM  
Basically, if you or your organization has been profiled by the SPLC, you are a threat to the community.
If you have issues with them, then you are a threat to the community.
 
2014-07-23 02:31:16 PM  
As someone that is going to be out on BLM land in Oregon this weekend, I am not getting a kick.

I will be armed though.

GameSprocket: These types of folks are the ones that always want the government to build a wall. I say build the wall around the ranch ... then fill it with sewage.


It's already got quite a bit there.
 
2014-07-23 02:34:57 PM  

meat0918: As someone that is going to be out on BLM land in Oregon this weekend, I am not getting a kick.

I will be armed though.


you should call in a few survivalist patriots from Idaho just in case the BLM decides to declare Martial Law on you ass.

/sarcasm meat, sarcasm
 
2014-07-23 02:36:19 PM  
I see the rebuttal to this is to engage deflector shields.
 
2014-07-23 02:37:32 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: quatchi: Fringe extremist nationalist groups grew from 150 groups tracked by the SPLC when Obama was first elected to over 1000 such group by 2014.

Then again, the SPLC also told us Jared Loughner was part of a nationwide anti-government movement, as opposed to being a paranoid schizophrenic.

I'm glad someone watches out for hate groups, but if you sneeze the wrong way, SPLC will tell the world it was a gang sign and put your name on a list.


I'm really glad SPLC is there, and I periodically give them money.  The main reason I support them is that no one else is paying attention to the dangerous elements of the fringe.  The Tea Party is supporting them and enabling them, and GOP is too scared of being voted out of office by the TP, and the press/media/journalism is either dying or co-opted by the oligarchy.
 
2014-07-23 02:43:19 PM  

Isitoveryet: meat0918: As someone that is going to be out on BLM land in Oregon this weekend, I am not getting a kick.

I will be armed though.

you should call in a few survivalist patriots from Idaho just in case the BLM decides to declare Martial Law on you ass.

/sarcasm meat, sarcasm


I know.

I also know that there is in all likelihood no chance of any sort of incident, and I won't actually use it even if there was.  I bring it though even though I know I won't use it.

//It sits locked up when home.  I have no delusions of home defense with it.
 
2014-07-23 02:44:00 PM  
I wish someone would just light a firecracker off in the Bundy ranch. See how many of those 'brave patriots' immediately soil themselves and grab human shields, or how many start shooting each other for being "spies".
 
2014-07-23 02:47:58 PM  
Within weeks, that rhetoric appeared predictive as two people who had spent time on the Bundy
ranch before reportedly being asked to leave went on a shooting spree in Las Vegas. On June 8, Jerad Miller and his wife Amanda entered a restaurant and killed two Las Vegas police officers before running into a nearby Wal-Mart and killing an armed civilian who tried to stop them.


The media are generally committed to protecting the conservative movement at all costs to America. That's why it has been under reported that the Miller's were asked to leave--but not because they were unwelcome. They were asked to leave so they could carry out their III Percent mission to "find something evil and kill it" in Las Vegas.

Here are some statements from a major III Percent blog summarizing some of their goals and core values:

**********

"...and the sad truth is that 95% of the problems we have in this country could be solved tomorrow, by noon... simply by dragging 100 people out in the street and shooting them in the farking head." - An anonymous former US Marine.

**********

 They are armed to the teeth and lack serious adult supervision. They collectively remember the Commander's intent as "March to the sound of the guns and kill anyone who is not dressed like you" - or something like that. Happily they go about the day's work.

Little Groups of Patriots. Each group conducting their own Liberty Restoration operations to clear their respective AOs.

Leaderless Resistance, following only the Commander's Intent.

Commander's Intent: Restoration of Rightful Liberty.

How: In the absence of orders, find something Evil and kill it.


*******

Bundy is a III Percenter (remember that big flag he waved with the roman numeral III?). The Miller's were acting on behalf of his movement.

Make no mistake about what America's enemies on the right are about.

They are cowardly evil murderers, one and all. They aim to destroy America and impose by force a right-wing dictatorship.
 
2014-07-23 02:48:07 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: the SPLC also told us Jared Loughner was part of a nationwide anti-government movement


Sure they did.
 
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