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(University of Washington)   Now pay attention: Oso disaster had its roots in earlier landslides. Recovery will require three special steps   (washington.edu) divider line 66
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2014-07-23 08:54:04 AM
I hate you, subby, for that ear worm
 
2014-07-23 09:01:33 AM
Three special steps? Is that all that it takes?
 
2014-07-23 09:20:50 AM

JerseyTim: Three special steps? Is that all that it takes?


Three special steps is what is required for you to succeed.
 
2014-07-23 10:18:58 AM

JerseyTim: Three special steps? Is that all that it takes?


That's all you need. Three special steps will show you how.
 
2014-07-23 10:27:26 AM
This story is Oso tragic.
 
2014-07-23 11:06:44 AM
Goddamn you all for this.
 
2014-07-23 12:43:43 PM
move where the landslides aren't.
 
2014-07-23 12:47:22 PM
My 2 year old is obsessed with Special Agent Oso right now, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies...
 
2014-07-23 12:48:39 PM

MemeSlave: move where the landslides aren't.


Move to where the land doesn't?
 
2014-07-23 12:49:06 PM
I hate that this was not too obscure for me.
 
2014-07-23 12:52:13 PM
Was there any mention of the logging road that had been cut across the top of that hill?
 
2014-07-23 12:55:30 PM
I apparently live under a rock. I know nothing of the three special steps and this is the first time I've seen anything about the Oso landslide. Either that or I've become so numbed by constant catastrophic news I didn't find it interesting enough to remember.
 
2014-07-23 12:55:54 PM
Damn you subby, damn you to heck.

/Paw Pilot? Give me 3 steps to hide subby's body.
 
2014-07-23 12:56:45 PM
Agh! I was forced to watch several episodes of that show while in the dentist office waiting room. I think I could feel my brain leak out of my ears.

I do admit to watching Doc McStuffin occasionally when I land on it.

/34 years old
//no kids
 
2014-07-23 12:58:22 PM
Oso is bad. But it's not as bad as Dragon Tales.
 
2014-07-23 12:59:37 PM

Beerbarian: I hate that this was not too obscure for me.


Each day in some small way I feel the obscurity is closing in on me. It's as though as I get older I begin to lose touch with any current culture I don't see through my neighbors' windows.

I am watching Workaholics on Amazon Prime right now so I'm kind of feeling my butthole tighten a little.
 
2014-07-23 01:01:02 PM
I'd like to know what kind of vetting process Special Agent OSO's agency has. He can fly a rocket, but doesn't know how to tie his shoes or brush his teeth?!
 
2014-07-23 01:02:17 PM
JerseyTim: Three special steps? Is that all that it takes?

Nope, all it takes is ONE WEIRD TRICK THAT SCIENTISTS HATE

and that trick: Bring me in. I look at the area and say, "This place is historically subject to catastrophic land denudation. Don't build here."
 
2014-07-23 01:05:44 PM
Three special steps. Those steps are fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical -- FOUR -- four special steps are all that is required.

/saw the live movie Sunday
 
2014-07-23 01:07:57 PM
Article written by Stevie Nicks.
 
2014-07-23 01:10:23 PM

sxacho: Oso is bad. But it's not as bad as Dragon Tales.


I was always waiting for the final episode of that one where they up and ate the kids.
 
2014-07-23 01:11:54 PM
I hate you subby.

sxacho: Oso is bad. But it's not as bad as Dragon Tales.


Dragon Tales is my kids favorite, but no longer on as far as we can find. Have to resort to Youtube, etc.

Doc McStuffins is ok. Octonauts is ok.

Peppa Pig is NOT ok.
 
2014-07-23 01:14:02 PM
What is everyone freaked out about? This was all part of the plan.
 
2014-07-23 01:15:26 PM
Since we're talking about kid's shows, Pineas and Ferb is great.
 
2014-07-23 01:15:56 PM

Dazrin: I hate you subby.

sxacho: Oso is bad. But it's not as bad as Dragon Tales.

Dragon Tales is my kids favorite, but no longer on as far as we can find. Have to resort to Youtube, etc.

Doc McStuffins is ok. Octonauts is ok.

Peppa Pig is NOT ok.


Peppa Pig is good.  As is Pocoyo.  I'm glad my 5 year old has graduated to DisneyXD.
 
2014-07-23 01:20:38 PM
I knew he wasn't as innocent and dopey as he seemed.
cdnvideo.dolimg.com
 
2014-07-23 01:21:57 PM
Wait, what?  I didn't do anything, I swear!
 
2014-07-23 01:23:51 PM

meat0918: Was there any mention of the logging road that had been cut across the top of that hill?


No.  But several other reports put most of the blame on the river undercutting the bluff.

I wonder if the state and the USACE are going to work to reroute the river away from the bluff and stabilize the banks so it stops wandering.  It may end up encased within a concrete channel through that area.
 
2014-07-23 01:25:53 PM
It's bad when I my kids are watching Sophia the First and I startmaking comparisons to Game of Thrones...

Also, I noticed they have the Fleur-de-Lis emblems all over the place, so now I assume they are French.
 
2014-07-23 01:26:39 PM
Also, the Seattle Times has an animation showing the slippage of the hillside going back to 1930:

blogs.seattletimes.com
 
2014-07-23 01:28:01 PM

meanmutton: Since we're talking about kid's shows, Pineas and Ferb is great.


Agreed. You know you're in for a good time after "Mom! Phineas and Ferb are making a title sequence!"
 
2014-07-23 01:36:27 PM

ultraholland: JerseyTim: Three special steps? Is that all that it takes?

Nope, all it takes is ONE WEIRD TRICK THAT SCIENTISTS HATE

and that trick: Bring me in. I look at the area and say, "This place is historically subject to catastrophic land denudation. Don't build here."


Absolutely correct. The report states the oblivious, with the right (i.e., long, convoluted) scientific words.

They built their city on the dirt of a landslide that happened in 2006. The area across the river was filled with softwoods (new forest) covering the scar of that landslide. It doesn't take a geologist to see the dangers. Even with county permits and reassurances from real estate agents, they didn't heed the oblivious and they died for it. So sad.

/it wasn't loggers on the hill
//it wasn't the county approval
///It wasn't the river
////If'n ya live in lion territory, expect to get eaten
 
2014-07-23 01:37:26 PM

Dinjiin: Also, the Seattle Times has an animation showing the slippage of the hillside going back to 1930:

[blogs.seattletimes.com image 452x377]



Looking at the geographical map of that place, there have been numerous landslides in its history.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-23 01:37:30 PM

mdeesnuts: I apparently live under a rock. I know nothing of the three special steps and this is the first time I've seen anything about the Oso landslide. Either that or I've become so numbed by constant catastrophic news I didn't find it interesting enough to remember.


In that case: One hop this time.
 
2014-07-23 01:38:34 PM
Does anyone with kids not have the TV on constantly? 90% of the time with some Disney crap? My anecdotes say no.
 
2014-07-23 01:39:47 PM

Dazrin: I hate you subby.

sxacho: Oso is bad. But it's not as bad as Dragon Tales.

Dragon Tales is my kids favorite, but no longer on as far as we can find. Have to resort to Youtube, etc.

Doc McStuffins is ok. Octonauts is ok.

Peppa Pig is NOT ok.


I loved it last Peppa Pig thread when US farkers complained about the "fake" British accents....
 
2014-07-23 01:43:33 PM

mdeesnuts: Does anyone with kids not have the TV on constantly? 90% of the time with some Disney crap? My anecdotes say no.


We try to limit the kid's screen time to an hour or two a day.  That said, we often watch TV in the evenings, and he usually watches with us. But at least these days when he does get to watch what he wants, it's Regular Show and Adventure Time, which I can live with.  Even when he was younger, he liked Sesame Street and Tom and Jerry.
 
2014-07-23 01:49:41 PM

Cubicle Jockey: Dinjiin: Also, the Seattle Times has an animation showing the slippage of the hillside going back to 1930:

[blogs.seattletimes.com image 452x377]


Looking at the geographical map of that place, there have been numerous landslides in its history.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x559]


I'm sure the realtors show that map when pushing their listings.
 
2014-07-23 02:00:13 PM

Burr: It's bad when I my kids are watching Sophia the First and I startmaking comparisons to Game of Thrones...

Also, I noticed they have the Fleur-de-Lis emblems all over the place, so now I assume they are French.


When we watch Sophia my mind always wanders to which of the princes in school she is going to be forced into a loveless marriage of aliance in order to shore up her brothers feable kingship after Roland dies.
 
2014-07-23 02:22:59 PM

Saiga410: Burr: It's bad when I my kids are watching Sophia the First and I startmaking comparisons to Game of Thrones...

Also, I noticed they have the Fleur-de-Lis emblems all over the place, so now I assume they are French.

When we watch Sophia my mind always wanders to which of the princes in school she is going to be forced into a loveless marriage of aliance in order to shore up her brothers feable kingship after Roland dies.


That kingdom is running too smmothly, especially with such a benevolent ruler. Where is all the political intrigue at? When is Roland going on a boar hunt?
 
2014-07-23 02:27:04 PM
Not being a certified expert on such matters, but having the paper to prove I do indeed have a formal education in Geology, I can assure you that identifying new, old, and ancient landslides is not overly difficult once you're taught the signs.

I can drive down the highway and catch little bits of creep on the shoulder of the road. Those spots are going to move one day if when they get wet enough. I can see where the road cut has destabilized the slope or removed the support of a bedding plane. I'm sure many people could have looked at that slope and told you it's moving, and that maybe someone needs to hike up the mountain to see how dangerous it is.

Here's the real shocker, there are landslides that have happened or are happening (slowly) in a lot of places, and no one is paying attention. Most of them don't threaten much but a few lanes or a couple of houses, but every so often there's a big one. Sometimes they're obvious and yet there's still a fool building a McMansion right on the toe of the slide.
 
2014-07-23 02:28:45 PM

Osomatic: mdeesnuts: Does anyone with kids not have the TV on constantly? 90% of the time with some Disney crap? My anecdotes say no.

We try to limit the kid's screen time to an hour or two a day.  That said, we often watch TV in the evenings, and he usually watches with us. But at least these days when he does get to watch what he wants, it's Regular Show and Adventure Time, which I can live with.  Even when he was younger, he liked Sesame Street and Tom and Jerry.


I turn the TV on for my kids and they watch a couple of episodes and, before I know it, they're off playing and I'm watching it by myself.
 
2014-07-23 02:40:48 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Not being a certified expert on such matters, but having the paper to prove I do indeed have a formal education in Geology, I can assure you that identifying new, old, and ancient landslides is not overly difficult once you're taught the signs.


cdn1.vtourist.com
 
2014-07-23 02:42:15 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Not being a certified expert on such matters, but having the paper to prove I do indeed have a formal education in Geology, I can assure you that identifying new, old, and ancient landslides is not overly difficult once you're taught the signs.

I can drive down the highway and catch little bits of creep on the shoulder of the road. Those spots are going to move one day if when they get wet enough. I can see where the road cut has destabilized the slope or removed the support of a bedding plane. I'm sure many people could have looked at that slope and told you it's moving, and that maybe someone needs to hike up the mountain to see how dangerous it is.

Here's the real shocker, there are landslides that have happened or are happening (slowly) in a lot of places, and no one is paying attention. Most of them don't threaten much but a few lanes or a couple of houses, but every so often there's a big one. Sometimes they're obvious and yet there's still a fool building a McMansion right on the toe of the slide.


I always hope that the county highway department has someone keeping an eye on things, whether as a geologist or a highway supervisor. I don't care whether they eventually trim the hillsides because the land has slipped too much, or because the angle doesn't match the desired range of a diagram.
 
2014-07-23 02:43:06 PM
Well, I'm packing my bags for the misty mountains, goin' to California.

www.sedecals.com
 
2014-07-23 02:43:18 PM

meanmutton: Since we're talking about kid's shows, Pineas and Ferb is great.


P&F Star Wars episode is 26-JULY!!!
 
2014-07-23 03:11:22 PM
Outstanding, subby! Ou-uuuuuuuuu-standing!
 
2014-07-23 03:22:02 PM
Step 1. Buy land in hazard area
Step 2. ?
Step 3. PROFIT  LOSS
 
2014-07-23 03:31:56 PM

DSF6969: Damn you subby, damn you to heck.

/Paw Pilot? Give me 3 steps to hide subby's body.


step one: dig a hole in the earth
step two: drop the body in the earth
step three: cover with earth

//we followed three special steps
 
2014-07-23 03:51:15 PM
I would much rather watch Peppa than this. This morning, my three-year-old said to me, "I want to have a go."
 
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