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2014-07-23 12:03:11 AM  
Oh fark off. I get cranky if I don't get ten.
 
2014-07-23 12:08:41 AM  
I would kill to get even 6 hours of sleep nightly. Damned lucky if I get 4 hours. :/
 
2014-07-23 12:15:56 AM  
I seem to do well enough getting ~5hrs on most nights and ~7hrs on weekends and holidays. Granted I'm sure I'm doing more than my fair share to keep coffee growers, roasters, grinders, and shops in business and prospering. ;)
 
2014-07-23 12:37:01 AM  
Thanks, news media. Let me know when three balanced meals a day and regular exercise cause AIDS.
 
2014-07-23 12:42:13 AM  
Maybe there's higher mortality and morbidity in the 8+ range because sick people are more tired.

Have you thought about that, Center for Dimwitted Conjectures?
 
2014-07-23 12:46:52 AM  
Knew one of those freaks who only needed a few hours sleep a night.  Most nights were 3, if he was really tired 4 hours.  Always got good grades in school, since in addition to being smart, he had all sorts of extra time to fill in the middle of the night when there was nothing on the TV (this was pre-Internet), so he would do extra credit and whatnot to keep busy.
 
2014-07-23 01:00:29 AM  
I generally run my best on 5-6 hours. I broke habit, and stayed up last weekend on a marathon reading session to finish a damn book, and was up until 6am or so, and wound up sleeping until nearly 7:45pm, and given the extended sunlight, didn't realize how late it was until I checked the clock after getting some coffee. I went to bed again at my usual 1am or so, and was up by 6am the next day.

I sleep as long as my body deems fit. Sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's less. There's enough to do that if I do wake up, it's not some mass tragedy that I "lost" time somewhere. And if I sleep in, that's not exactly a terrible thing either--though at this point, 7am is considered "sleeping in"...
 
2014-07-23 02:06:50 AM  
CEOs, politicians and other high achievers (we're looking at you, Hillary Clinton)

i737.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-23 04:01:09 AM  
Sleep is for the weak
 
2014-07-23 05:54:28 AM  
I absolutely cannot stand correlation "studies," especially ones that require disclaimers like this in the articles describing them:  Still, doctors caution against scaring folks away from sleeping longer, pointing out that self-reported sleeping patterns from the various studies could be inaccurate, and that, depending on factors including age, state of health and genetics, optimal sleep time can vary with each individual.
 
2014-07-23 05:58:27 AM  
Should I sleep with my bike in the bed? How about a salad? If I sleep but I dream that I'm drinking coffee, will my toe still hurt?
 
2014-07-23 06:15:57 AM  
My night terrors are HEALTHY.

/not really
 
2014-07-23 06:19:18 AM  
FTFA: "Daniel F. Kripke, an emeritus professor of psychiatry at the University of California San Diego"

I taught Kwipky was a physicist.
 
2014-07-23 06:20:42 AM  
If I don't get my 8 hours, I'm not a very happy person. Thankfully, I work construction, so I can get away with it. If I were sitting at a desk, I'd end up falling asleep. If I'm taking steroids, then I can deal with a lot less sleep.
 
2014-07-23 06:21:13 AM  
Honestly, I need about 8 hrs to feel fully rested. Five is my minimum. Anything less I start to have problems staying awake.
 
2014-07-23 06:21:14 AM  
CEOs, politicians and other high achievers

Least I can sleep at night.
 
2014-07-23 06:26:03 AM  
What I want to know is why I can go to bed at midnight and wake up at 7:30am for work and be exhaustedly tired, but on the weekend I'll go to bed at 1-2am and wake up at 7:30am and be as fresh as a daisy!
 
2014-07-23 06:26:07 AM  
I used to be able to get by on four or five, then I hit thirty and eight is the minimum. If I don't set an alarm I'll sleep ten and actually wake up not feeling tired.
 
2014-07-23 06:29:10 AM  
I'm usually getting about 6-7 when I have to get up for work in the evening, though sometimes much less if I can't get comfortable.  On my nights off work, I'll not set an alarm, and I'll sleep 12-14 hours.
 
2014-07-23 06:30:27 AM  
I get between 4-6 hours on average week nights, but I tend to get a lot of sleep on the weekends to make up for it. I need the rest and one study isn't going to convince me otherwise.
 
2014-07-23 06:30:27 AM  
I'll live forever!!
 
2014-07-23 06:31:08 AM  

Slaxl: What I want to know is why I can go to bed at midnight and wake up at 7:30am for work and be exhaustedly tired, but on the weekend I'll go to bed at 1-2am and wake up at 7:30am and be as fresh as a daisy!


I'm guessing an alarm goes off on the weekdays?
You probably disrupt your REM cycle on the weekdays and on the weekends just wake up out of habit at a low point in your sleep cycle.

Do you remember a lot of dreams 1st thing? It's a sign you were in deep sleep when you woke up.
 
2014-07-23 06:33:35 AM  

mike_d85: My night terrors are HEALTHY.

/not really


i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-23 06:37:09 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Sleep is for the weak


plenty of time to sleep when you are dead. i wake up at 4 am every morning for a military style march for 5km, do 1000 push ups, and then return to my domicile to prepare for a hard day of work, looking for work. then, after 9am, i proceed to searching the internet for potential vessels for my sacred seed, so that we may enlargen the population of our holy community.
 
2014-07-23 06:37:57 AM  
My wife cannot sleep during the week. Does marathon days/nights. Her workload is so much, she feels compelled to bring it home.
Last weekend she slept from Friday evening til Monday morning. Only waking to pee and snack. Makes me sad for her.

I'm finding more than seven makes me feel like doo-doo.
 
2014-07-23 06:38:02 AM  
8 hours sleep. Now THAT'S a dream. I haven't set an alarm in years because anything more than 5-6 hours just ain't happening.
 
2014-07-23 06:38:42 AM  

Badgers: mike_d85: My night terrors are HEALTHY.

/not really

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i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-23 06:40:19 AM  
Wife had a baby two weeks ago. Thanks for saving our lives, baby!

/would punch all those CEO's, politicians and other high achievers for 5 hours of sleep.
 
2014-07-23 06:42:16 AM  

mike_d85: Slaxl: What I want to know is why I can go to bed at midnight and wake up at 7:30am for work and be exhaustedly tired, but on the weekend I'll go to bed at 1-2am and wake up at 7:30am and be as fresh as a daisy!

I'm guessing an alarm goes off on the weekdays?
You probably disrupt your REM cycle on the weekdays and on the weekends just wake up out of habit at a low point in your sleep cycle.

Do you remember a lot of dreams 1st thing? It's a sign you were in deep sleep when you woke up.


Yeah, always remember my dreams, though the memory fades rapidly if I don't concentrate on it.

Aside from getting flexible morning hours so I don't need an alarm, what can I do to cause less disruption to my REM?
 
2014-07-23 06:42:24 AM  
Is the cart moving forward? You might have horse pushing it from behind!

Oh journalists, why so stupid?

And this isn't the only news source that gets this backwards. The sleep doctors I work for have repeatedly said "If you're sleeping more than 7 hours, chances are you have a sleep disorder, which is linked to health problems. Then the news outlets say "SLEEPING TOO LONG KILLS YOU!"
 
2014-07-23 06:49:21 AM  
imageshack.com

 Um, 7 to 8 hours of sleep and then another 4 hours after breakfast.
 
2014-07-23 06:49:30 AM  
"Glut of research"

Give me a list of titles and a systematic review.

Idiots.
 
2014-07-23 06:52:37 AM  
misadventuresinshopping.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-23 06:53:42 AM  
You gotta die of something.  Might as well die fed and well-rested.
 
2014-07-23 06:57:59 AM  

Slaxl: Aside from getting flexible morning hours so I don't need an alarm, what can I do to cause less disruption to my REM?


I've seen some watches?  I think there are apps too... that track your cycle and wake you gently at the optimum time close to before your alarm would wake you.  So you might wake up 20 minutes before your alarm, but you'll feel better.

Then there's this website.

I don't know if any of it works, I'm good on four hours, so I've never had to try any of this stuff.
 
2014-07-23 06:58:39 AM  

some_beer_drinker: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Sleep is for the weak

plenty of time to sleep when you are dead. i wake up at 4 am every morning for a military style march for 5km, do 1000 push ups, and then return to my domicile to prepare for a hard day of work, looking for work. then, after 9am, i proceed to searching the internet for potential vessels for my sacred seed, so that we may enlargen the population of our holy community.


Well for me,  In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

But your routine seems pretty decent too.
 
2014-07-23 07:01:10 AM  
I only sleep 8+ if I'm trying to catch up from a day I got very little sleep. I'll wake up in about 6 hours without an alarm if I've been sleeping well.
 
2014-07-23 07:11:37 AM  
The Big Sleep?
 
2014-07-23 07:12:57 AM  
I haven't slept since 1972. I'm gonna live forever. Suckers!
 
2014-07-23 07:14:49 AM  

mamoru: I seem to do well enough getting ~5hrs on most nights and ~7hrs on weekends and holidays. Granted I'm sure I'm doing more than my fair share to keep coffee growers, roasters, grinders, and shops in business and prospering. ;)


You should try Columbia's other cash crop
 
2014-07-23 07:15:39 AM  
I'm fed up with the people who "only sleep [some number way under 8] hours a night and feel great!" types.

They are like vegans.
Or gluten-free people.
Or people who don't own TVs.


Think the new person you just meet might [be vegan]|[be gluten-free]|[not own a TV]|[only sleep 3 hours a night and feel great]?  Don't worry, you'll know in 5 minutes.
 
2014-07-23 07:22:43 AM  
I only sleep 3 hours a night and feel great! I attribute this to my vegan, gluten-free diet and the fact that I don't own TV.
 
2014-07-23 07:27:47 AM  

taurusowner: some_beer_drinker: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Sleep is for the weak

plenty of time to sleep when you are dead. i wake up at 4 am every morning for a military style march for 5km, do 1000 push ups, and then return to my domicile to prepare for a hard day of work, looking for work. then, after 9am, i proceed to searching the internet for potential vessels for my sacred seed, so that we may enlargen the population of our holy community.

Well for me,  In the morning, if my face is a little puffy, I'll put on an ice pack while doing my stomach crunches. I can do a thousand now. After I remove the ice pack I use a deep pore cleanser lotion. In the shower I use a water activated gel cleanser, then a honey almond body scrub, and on the face an exfoliating gel scrub. Then I apply an herb-mint facial masque which I leave on for 10 minutes while I prepare the rest of my routine. I always use an after shave lotion with little or no alcohol, because alcohol dries your face out and makes you look older. Then moisturizer, then an anti-aging eye balm followed by a final moisturizing protective lotion.

But your routine seems pretty decent too.


images.tvrage.com
Do you like Huey Lewis and The News?
 
2014-07-23 07:29:19 AM  

GDubDub: I'm fed up with the people who "only sleep [some number way under 8] hours a night and feel great!" types.

They are like vegans.
Or gluten-free people.
Or people who don't own TVs.


Think the new person you just meet might [be vegan]|[be gluten-free]|[not own a TV]|[only sleep 3 hours a night and feel great]?  Don't worry, you'll know in 5 minutes.


Or people who do CrossFit. Don't get me wrong, CrossFit is a great workout program (though some gyms emphasize the competitive aspects too much to the detriment of safety) and I have tried it myself. But anytime you get a group of people together who are into exercise, if there's a CrossFit zealot around he will make his presence known quickly. It makes me wonder if when you start going to a gym for a decent amount of time they don't actually tell the members to go out a proselytize.
 
2014-07-23 07:30:51 AM  

Lsherm: I absolutely cannot stand correlation "studies," especially ones that require disclaimers like this in the articles describing them:  Still, doctors caution against scaring folks away from sleeping longer, pointing out that self-reported sleeping patterns from the various studies could be inaccurate, and that, depending on factors including age, state of health and genetics, optimal sleep time can vary with each individual.


I know! The whole field of epidemiology kicked off in the 1960s with a correlation suggesting smoking was bad for you.

What a load of rubbish that turned out to be!
 
2014-07-23 07:31:59 AM  

Fano: The Big Sleep?


Dirt nap?
 
2014-07-23 07:32:27 AM  
Next week: anything less than ten and you'll spontaneously combust.
 
2014-07-23 07:34:30 AM  

SuburbanSound: Wife had a baby two weeks ago. Thanks for saving our lives, baby!

/would punch all those CEO's, politicians and other high achievers for 5 hours of sleep.


Hang in there. Things usually start getting more sensible around 12 weeks. It'll feel like an age, but you'll get there...

/ in about 10 weeks
// I was told there would be no math.
 
2014-07-23 07:36:54 AM  

SuburbanSound: Wife had a baby two weeks ago. Thanks for saving our lives, baby!

/would punch all those CEO's, politicians and other high achievers for 5 hours of sleep.


Your wife's the one who had the baby... Why is she making this *your* problem?
 
2014-07-23 07:41:56 AM  
CEOs, politicians and other high achievers (we're looking at you, Hillary Clinton) may only need an insane three to five hours of sleep a night

That explains a great deal about their decisions.
 
2014-07-23 07:43:54 AM  
I almost never get 8 hours of sleep any more.

And I almost never set an alarm.

Which means I feel really, really tired most of the time, because I need at least 9 hours to be fully rested.

I don't think I've gotten enough sleep on a regular basis since I worked a 4-midnight shift.  I blacked out my windows so it would be completely dark in my bedroom all the time, and I usually went to bed around 4-5 am.
 
2014-07-23 07:48:50 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA: "Daniel F. Kripke, an emeritus professor of psychiatry at the University of California San Diego"

I taught Kwipky was a physicist.


That was before he found his twue cawwing.
 
2014-07-23 07:50:07 AM  

Pharmdawg: CEOs, politicians and other high achievers (we're looking at you, Hillary Clinton) may only need an insane three to five hours of sleep a night

That explains a great deal about their decisions.


I know, right? How much sleep do you need to get in order to marry an ambitious, powerful man and then ride his coat-tails?
 
2014-07-23 07:55:53 AM  

taurusowner: GDubDub: I'm fed up with the people who "only sleep [some number way under 8] hours a night and feel great!" types.

They are like vegans.
Or gluten-free people.
Or people who don't own TVs.


Think the new person you just meet might [be vegan]|[be gluten-free]|[not own a TV]|[only sleep 3 hours a night and feel great]?  Don't worry, you'll know in 5 minutes.

Or people who do CrossFit. Don't get me wrong, CrossFit is a great workout program (though some gyms emphasize the competitive aspects too much to the detriment of safety) and I have tried it myself. But anytime you get a group of people together who are into exercise, if there's a CrossFit zealot around he will make his presence known quickly. It makes me wonder if when you start going to a gym for a decent amount of time they don't actually tell the members to go out a proselytize.


Marathon runners too.  It's like the old joke is: How can you tell if someone has run a marathon?  Don't worry, they'll tell you.
 
2014-07-23 07:59:10 AM  

hubiestubert: I generally run my best on 5-6 hours. I broke habit, and stayed up last weekend on a marathon reading session to finish a damn book, and was up until 6am or so, and wound up sleeping until nearly 7:45pm, and given the extended sunlight, didn't realize how late it was until I checked the clock after getting some coffee. I went to bed again at my usual 1am or so, and was up by 6am the next day.

I sleep as long as my body deems fit. Sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's less. There's enough to do that if I do wake up, it's not some mass tragedy that I "lost" time somewhere. And if I sleep in, that's not exactly a terrible thing either--though at this point, 7am is considered "sleeping in"...


heh, what book were you reading? I must know!
 
2014-07-23 07:59:30 AM  
FTA:
1.1 million people who participated in a cancer study
sleep activity of about 450 elderly women
self-reported
... about 160,000 users of cognitive-training website Lumosity


Well, that explains the findings: all of your cited research was done with biased samples. You shouldn't apply it to real-world situations.

Farking journalists.
 
2014-07-23 08:00:21 AM  
8 hours is about the norm for me. I have to get up at 4 every morning so I am usually asleep by 8-ish on weekdays. What sucks though is my circadian clock is now set for that schedule so on weekends no matter how late I stay up or how much I let loose I wake up at 5 in the morning. I'd murder to be able to sleep in until like, noon, just once.
 
2014-07-23 08:00:23 AM  
Sleep is supposed to be at the body's need, not crammed into whatever arbitrarily-imposed schedule that some sadistic, puritanical overlords would put it in. Not everyone is meant to sleep the same way, in the same amount or with the same clockwork regularity as has been supposed and even enforced by tradition. Other cultures seem to understand this, but in the U.S., and much of the West since the Industrial Revolution, not so much. Once, believe it or not, it was commonly accepted that there were two sleep periods per night, and sometimes a Siesta in the afternoon. The total amount of sleep wasn't necessarily much longer than the "8 straight hours", but it was more organic, and probably that allowed for better regulation of things like blood pressure, metabolism and hydration and at the cellular level meant better housekeeping in the lymphatic and endocrine systems which can prevent a host of diseases. And yeah, if you're an adult and need to sleep for an overly-long time all the time, you probably have something wrong that really should be addressed medically.


There was a time when I slept well, with vivid, golden dreams that lingered fully long after waking.

But now -- Don't look at me that way! -- In my old age, infirmity, apnea and insomnia, I sleep the way old men pee; sometimes all at once, sometimes drop by drop. ...I sleep erratically. Often enormously. And my dreams evaporate utterly upon waking.

...Like a vampire meeting the sunrise.
 
2014-07-23 08:01:21 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA: "Daniel F. Kripke, an emeritus professor of psychiatry at the University of California San Diego"

I taught Kwipky was a physicist.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-23 08:01:44 AM  

mike_d85: FTFA: "Daniel F. Kripke, an emeritus professor of psychiatry at the University of California San Diego"

I taught Kwipky was a physicist.


Is Daniel F. Kripke Mike's brother?

/obscure?
 
2014-07-23 08:06:20 AM  

Dahnkster: [misadventuresinshopping.files.wordpress.com image 500x338]


As someone who suffered from total insomnia for a span of a couple months thanks to some farked up hormones, that first night I was able to lie down and not get immediately jerked wide awake by overactive adrenals was freakin' glorious.
 
2014-07-23 08:06:31 AM  
Why do we even need sleep anyways?

Would be great if we were awake our whole lives.
 
2014-07-23 08:07:05 AM  
In college I could sleep 12 hours a day easy.  No matter how late into the afternoon I slept, I'd have to force myself to get up like I'd been drugged.  The drugs probably didn't help but still.  I had one incident where, at around 1pm, my roommate came in and woke me up.  I tried to get up but I couldn't move or speak...I could see him walking around but I was paralyzed...scared the crap out of me.
 
2014-07-23 08:11:41 AM  
Also, cocaine is a helluva drug.
 
2014-07-23 08:15:34 AM  

Carthax: mike_d85: FTFA: "Daniel F. Kripke, an emeritus professor of psychiatry at the University of California San Diego"

I taught Kwipky was a physicist.

Is Daniel F. Kripke Mike's brother?

/obscure?


Krup you.
lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-07-23 08:18:59 AM  
If less sleep is better, I need to thank my kids for saving my life these last six years.
 
2014-07-23 08:23:28 AM  

Abox: In college I could sleep 12 hours a day easy.  No matter how late into the afternoon I slept, I'd have to force myself to get up like I'd been drugged.  The drugs probably didn't help but still.  I had one incident where, at around 1pm, my roommate came in and woke me up.  I tried to get up but I couldn't move or speak...I could see him walking around but I was paralyzed...scared the crap out of me.


Sleep paralysis is pretty common is you get woken up during rem stage sleep.
 
2014-07-23 08:24:00 AM  

C18H27NO3: I haven't slept since 1972. I'm gonna live forever. Suckers!


I had a fitful doze during the Middle Ages. Since then, nothing.
anagitationofmind.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-23 08:24:36 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-23 08:26:58 AM  
I did my own indepnedent study, and have scientifically determined that in 100% of cases, living causes death.  Conduct yourselves accordingly, time is of the essence.
 
2014-07-23 08:28:09 AM  

taurusowner: GDubDub: I'm fed up with the people who "only sleep [some number way under 8] hours a night and feel great!" types.

They are like vegans.
Or gluten-free people.
Or people who don't own TVs.


Think the new person you just meet might [be vegan]|[be gluten-free]|[not own a TV]|[only sleep 3 hours a night and feel great]?  Don't worry, you'll know in 5 minutes.

Or people who do CrossFit. Don't get me wrong, CrossFit is a great workout program (though some gyms emphasize the competitive aspects too much to the detriment of safety) and I have tried it myself. But anytime you get a group of people together who are into exercise, if there's a CrossFit zealot around he will make his presence known quickly. It makes me wonder if when you start going to a gym for a decent amount of time they don't actually tell the members to go out a proselytize.


word of mouth, dollar for dollar, will always be the most efficient form of advertising.
 
2014-07-23 08:29:16 AM  
www.thescoopng.com
 
2014-07-23 08:30:15 AM  
Hey, everyone, are you ready for another round of "Fun With Antecedent Variables!"?
 
2014-07-23 08:35:29 AM  
Usually get between 6-7hrs. But i'm that guy that can't go to sleep unless there is a radio or tv on.
 
2014-07-23 08:36:31 AM  

MBooda: Carthax: mike_d85: FTFA: "Daniel F. Kripke, an emeritus professor of psychiatry at the University of California San Diego"

I taught Kwipky was a physicist.

Is Daniel F. Kripke Mike's brother?

/obscure?

Krup you.
[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 653x300]


Too obscure for you, apparently...
images.static-bluray.com
 
2014-07-23 08:39:13 AM  
I have a 19-month old. I laugh at those claiming more than 7 hours of sleep is even possible
 
2014-07-23 08:43:41 AM  

opiumpoopy: SuburbanSound: Wife had a baby two weeks ago. Thanks for saving our lives, baby!

/would punch all those CEO's, politicians and other high achievers for 5 hours of sleep.

Hang in there. Things usually start getting more sensible around 12 weeks. It'll feel like an age, but you'll get there...

/ in about 10 weeks
// I was told there would be no math.


It gets better but it never gets like it used to be. Teething, growth spurts, sicknesses and night terrors will all conspire to keep your kid up and you along with them. There's always something and it never ever ever ever ends
 
2014-07-23 08:49:50 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Sleep is for the weak


...And the tired.

(...it's also the only time the Dream Police can get you... They live inside of your head.)
 
2014-07-23 08:55:14 AM  

Dahnkster: [misadventuresinshopping.files.wordpress.com image 500x338]


i hope those whores got arrested
 
2014-07-23 08:55:24 AM  
New research shows you aren't working hard enough and you're sleeping too much citizen.  Go harder, it's good for you.
 
2014-07-23 08:55:39 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: opiumpoopy: SuburbanSound: Wife had a baby two weeks ago. Thanks for saving our lives, baby!

/would punch all those CEO's, politicians and other high achievers for 5 hours of sleep.

Hang in there. Things usually start getting more sensible around 12 weeks. It'll feel like an age, but you'll get there...

/ in about 10 weeks
// I was told there would be no math.

It gets better but it never gets like it used to be. Teething, growth spurts, sicknesses and night terrors will all conspire to keep your kid up and you along with them. There's always something and it never ever ever ever ends


Yep. Wait till they're teenagers and riding a motorcycle, backpacking solo across Central America, or any of those other wonderful life experiences you may have had yourself at that age, and you'll realize that there will always be phases of a parent's life when it's more difficult to sleep than usual.
 
2014-07-23 08:57:03 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: opiumpoopy: SuburbanSound: Wife had a baby two weeks ago. Thanks for saving our lives, baby!

/would punch all those CEO's, politicians and other high achievers for 5 hours of sleep.

Hang in there. Things usually start getting more sensible around 12 weeks. It'll feel like an age, but you'll get there...

/ in about 10 weeks
// I was told there would be no math.

It gets better but it never gets like it used to be. Teething, growth spurts, sicknesses and night terrors will all conspire to keep your kid up and you along with them. There's always something and it never ever ever ever ends


Usually once they are married they stop climbing into bed with you and sticking their toes in your nose in the middle of the night.

usually.

*sigh*
 
2014-07-23 08:59:14 AM  

Paintbox: My wife cannot sleep during the week. Does marathon days/nights. Her workload is so much, she feels compelled to bring it home.
Last weekend she slept from Friday evening til Monday morning. Only waking to pee and snack. Makes me sad for her.

I'm finding more than seven makes me feel like doo-doo.


This makes me sad for both of you.
 
2014-07-23 09:01:38 AM  

Dadoody: Why do we even need sleep anyways?

Would be great if we were awake our whole lives.


Well, you'd save on bedroom furniture and have extra space for that music room you've always wanted, anyway.

Y'know, it'd be even better if we only had to eat and poop once a fortnight, too. Also if we could go months without water or revive from being frozen solid or desiccated. Having skin that could regenerate entirely and slough off old, damaged sections would be good. Growing back entire body parts that had been severed and having the option of asexual reproduction via fragmentation would be cool, too. Having prehensile feet would be good, but only if it didn't make it more difficult to walk. And a prehensile penis could help, especially when you've got two hands full of bags of groceries and need to fish out your keys to unlock your car or when you're shampooing your hair and need to adjust the shower temperature. Having a full set of new teeth grow in every ten or fifteen years, having eyes with reflective and nictitating membranes, the ability to grow extra rods and cones or re-grow entire eyes, and visual pre-processors behind the retina instead of long optic nerves would be good. Also, being able to store vast amounts of oxygen in big muscles so holding one's breath for an hour was no problem. Oh, and bird-like lungs that allow for circular rather than tidal breathing. But no gills. Gills are gross and often get parasites and junk stuck in them.
 
2014-07-23 09:03:12 AM  
I am an insomniac, and the most I ever sleep at a time is about 5 hours.  I also can't sleep when I know it's light out, even when I'm sick and need the bedrest.  On the other hand, although I don't sleep long, I do sleep deep, and that's gotta count for something, right?
 
2014-07-23 09:06:22 AM  

Grotesk: Once, believe it or not, it was commonly accepted that there were two sleep periods per night, and sometimes a Siesta in the afternoon. The total amount of sleep wasn't necessarily much longer than the "8 straight hours", but it was more organic, and probably that allowed for better regulation of things like blood pressure, metabolism and hydration and at the cellular level meant better housekeeping in the lymphatic and endocrine systems which can prevent a host of diseases.


But everybody knows that before the Industrial Revolution, human life expectancy was about 38 years, and so this can't possibly be true because people died way younger than we do now.
 
2014-07-23 09:06:32 AM  

Grotesk: Dadoody: Why do we even need sleep anyways?

Would be great if we were awake our whole lives.

Well, you'd save on bedroom furniture and have extra space for that music room you've always wanted, anyway.

Y'know, it'd be even better if we only had to eat and poop once a fortnight, too. Also if we could go months without water or revive from being frozen solid or desiccated. Having skin that could regenerate entirely and slough off old, damaged sections would be good. Growing back entire body parts that had been severed and having the option of asexual reproduction via fragmentation would be cool, too. Having prehensile feet would be good, but only if it didn't make it more difficult to walk. And a prehensile penis could help, especially when you've got two hands full of bags of groceries and need to fish out your keys to unlock your car or when you're shampooing your hair and need to adjust the shower temperature. Having a full set of new teeth grow in every ten or fifteen years, having eyes with reflective and nictitating membranes, the ability to grow extra rods and cones or re-grow entire eyes, and visual pre-processors behind the retina instead of long optic nerves would be good. Also, being able to store vast amounts of oxygen in big muscles so holding one's breath for an hour was no problem. Oh, and bird-like lungs that allow for circular rather than tidal breathing. But no gills. Gills are gross and often get parasites and junk stuck in them.


Dude, you can't get rid of the optic nerve!  It would ruin eye-plucking scenes in movies!
 
2014-07-23 09:12:39 AM  
If eight hours of sleep will kill me, then I am looking forward to the sweet sweet embrace of deaths hands.

static.giantbomb.com
 
2014-07-23 09:19:11 AM  
Marissa Mayor wants us to sleep less and work more. And in the goddamned office, you telecommuting slackers!
 
2014-07-23 09:20:13 AM  

hubiestubert: I generally run my best on 5-6 hours. I broke habit, and stayed up last weekend on a marathon reading session to finish a damn book, and was up until 6am or so, and wound up sleeping until nearly 7:45pm, and given the extended sunlight, didn't realize how late it was until I checked the clock after getting some coffee. I went to bed again at my usual 1am or so, and was up by 6am the next day.

I sleep as long as my body deems fit. Sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's less. There's enough to do that if I do wake up, it's not some mass tragedy that I "lost" time somewhere. And if I sleep in, that's not exactly a terrible thing either--though at this point, 7am is considered "sleeping in"...


Stop being so reasonable; there's fear to be mongered
 
2014-07-23 09:24:58 AM  

ivan: Maybe there's higher mortality and morbidity in the 8+ range because sick people are more tired.

Have you thought about that, Center for Dimwitted Conjectures?


Well, if you click the link to the study in TFA and read the abstract, it says:

"controlling simultaneously for demographics, habits, health factors, and use of various medications."

so yeah, they thought of that one.
 
2014-07-23 09:29:22 AM  
Correlation != causation.

Maybe people with underlying health issues (even minor ones) need more sleep. Thus people who sleep more also have a higher rate of issues.
 
2014-07-23 09:30:10 AM  

pseudoscience: "controlling simultaneously for demographics, habits, health factors, and use of various medications."


How, exactly, do you control for un-diagnosed health issues? (that may also make a person want more sleep)
 
2014-07-23 09:31:58 AM  

Badgers: mike_d85: My night terrors are HEALTHY.

/not really

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2014-07-23 09:32:07 AM  

opiumpoopy: Lsherm: I absolutely cannot stand correlation "studies," especially ones that require disclaimers like this in the articles describing them:  Still, doctors caution against scaring folks away from sleeping longer, pointing out that self-reported sleeping patterns from the various studies could be inaccurate, and that, depending on factors including age, state of health and genetics, optimal sleep time can vary with each individual.

I know! The whole field of epidemiology kicked off in the 1960s with a correlation suggesting smoking was bad for you.

What a load of rubbish that turned out to be!


Earlier than that. Before germ theory, there was a high incidence of new mothers dying if the doctor had been messing with corpses before attending a birth. So hand washing led to fewer mothers dying. They figured out it was bacteria much later.
 
2014-07-23 09:32:33 AM  
What about naps?
 
2014-07-23 09:39:02 AM  

SpectroBoy: pseudoscience: "controlling simultaneously for demographics, habits, health factors, and use of various medications."

How, exactly, do you control for un-diagnosed health issues? (that may also make a person want more sleep)


Obviously you can't, but self-reported health is different from having a diagnosis. I doubt that in studies of hundreds of thousands of people that really creates a bias. Nonetheless, I'm merely pointing out that OPs suggestion that "because sick people are more tired" is clearly something the CDC and other researchers have considered and tried to account for.
 
2014-07-23 09:45:37 AM  
I have always been an 8+ hour person, no matter what. Anything less than 8 and my brain would not function well all day. When i was at my most fit, I was sleeping 8-9 hours a night and regularly woke up at 5:30 with or without an alarm so I could work out before work. When I was ill with what turned out to be anemia and T2 diabetes, I was sleeping closer to 10 hours a night and needed an alarm to wake up.

BTW: my family have all been long sleepers and my grandparents average age at death was 91 (one grandfather threw off the average by drinking himself to death at 78) and my great grandparents' average was 86. My father died at 79 but Mom is still going strong at 94.
 
2014-07-23 10:00:36 AM  
Tyler Durden only sleept 1 hour a night and look how much he accomplished.
 
2014-07-23 10:21:45 AM  

obamadidcoke: I think the point we are missing here is you should go to sleep when you get tired and wake up when you feel like it. All of this getting up because an alarm goes off because you have to be at some job is what's killing everybody.


Not killing them, but definitely creating more irritable assholes
 
2014-07-23 10:37:59 AM  
Well I am good then most I have had contiguously was 5.5 hours in the last 3 years, so I have that going for me...
 
2014-07-23 10:42:59 AM  
I am fine with anything between 7-8 hours.  I can do 6 or 6.5 for a couple of days but by the third consecutive day I'll really be feeling it.  Anything less than 6 and I'm not fully functional and sometimes I actually feel kinda nauseous.  It's nice to sleep for maybe 9 one day on the weekend but if I do it often or much longer than that I definitely feel groggy like it did more harm than good.
 
2014-07-23 10:43:42 AM  

C18H27NO3: I haven't slept since 1972. I'm gonna live forever. Suckers!


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2014-07-23 10:43:55 AM  
I think 7 hours is actually about right. I go to sleep and wake up whenever I feel like it and on average I would say 7 hours is my natural rhythm. It's not so short that I get tired during the day and it's not so long that I feel groggy.

I absolutely hate sleeping more than 8 hours or so, that is the worst. Feels like I'm hungover all day.
 
2014-07-23 10:56:20 AM  

BinderWoman: What about naps?


I farking love naps!  I go to sleep around eleven and wake up at about five.  Take a nap after lunch just about every day.  My friends/family tease me about it and say I'm too young to be doing this, but fark them, I love it.  It helps that I work at home.
 
2014-07-23 10:57:06 AM  
Here's how I do it:

1. I go to sleep when I'm tired.
2. I wake up when my body decides I'm not tired anymore.

I have to use an alarm once per week, usually. Other than that, I just sleep until I wake up naturally. It seems to work out for me. I'm happy. I'm (mostly) healthy. I'm not stressed out and on my way to a heart attack like all those 4-hours-per-night A-type personalities.

/Your job may not support my sleep program.
//Mine does. I love it.
 
2014-07-23 10:57:19 AM  
Yah? Well fark the author on a sleepless night.

www.mlchgarden.com
 
2014-07-23 11:00:05 AM  
The past few week I'd like to sleep more than 8 minutes at a time.  6 hours of fitful "sleep" followed by copious amounts of coffee, exercise and melatonin to get any sleep.  Rinse, repeat
 
2014-07-23 11:09:39 AM  
Our kiddo started sleeping from 8PM to 7AM at 5 months. Teething trips her up every now and then, but otherwise it's been smooth sailing. We've been ridiculously lucky.

/Just wait, we'll have another and jinx it.
 
2014-07-23 11:32:58 AM  

The Man With Crazy Super Animal Powers: Here's how I do it:
1. I go to sleep when I'm tired.
2. I wake up when my body decides I'm not tired anymore.


I usually do too. Or else I wake too much, since I have insomnia quite a bit. By the time I actually get enough sleep, I've needed 12 hours to get 8 hours of sleep. This farks up my schedule sometimes, but I can't get by on much less. Only for a day or two. And too much caffeine just makes me sick.
 
2014-07-23 11:45:42 AM  
FTFA: "Then, in 2013, a study in the journal Frontiers in Human Neuroscience looked at the self-reported sleeping habits of about 160,000 users of cognitive-training website Lumosity"

Stopped reading right there.
 
2014-07-23 11:52:19 AM  

if_i_really_have_to: Slaxl: Aside from getting flexible morning hours so I don't need an alarm, what can I do to cause less disruption to my REM?

I've seen some watches?  I think there are apps too... that track your cycle and wake you gently at the optimum time close to before your alarm would wake you.  So you might wake up 20 minutes before your alarm, but you'll feel better.

Then there's this website.

I don't know if any of it works, I'm good on four hours, so I've never had to try any of this stuff.


Thanks, i'll give them a try.
 
2014-07-23 12:33:14 PM  

The Irresponsible Captain: Yah? Well fark the author on a sleepless night.

[www.mlchgarden.com image 425x282]


This.

Back in middle school and high school, I consistently would only get 2-4 hours of sleep a night, usually due the massive pile of  Busywork Homework. I practically burned myself out. Nothing worse than teachers who think that their's is the only class in the world. After graduation, I vowed to not do that crap again. Now, I feel like crap if I only get 6 hours sleep though I try for 7-8 hours a night. At least I don't need to be a caffeine addict like most of the people in the office.

/Still wish I had more free time, but sleep is a precious commodity.
//Now, if only we could get a campaign for the standardization of a six hour day...and minimum vacation time.
 
2014-07-23 01:51:21 PM  
When I had a job working retail that I didn't have to be at until 1PM every day, I never needed an alarm.  I would go to bed at about 1-2AM and wake up around 10ish.  Working an 8-5 job, I could go to bed at 9-10 and still struggle to get out of bed at 6:30 with the alarm blaring.  Same amount of hours, but I do better on a swing shift type of schedule.  Unfortunately, I have to go back into office work; retail just doesn't pay well enough for me to have the schedule my body obviously prefers and is designed for, *sigh*. At least I'll help keep the coffee companies in business.

/body rhythms and sleep patterns are different for everyone
//unemployed ATM, so I'm on my swing shift schedule and am dreading having to re-adjust
 
2014-07-23 02:04:04 PM  

kaduh: BinderWoman: What about naps?

I farking love naps!  I go to sleep around eleven and wake up at about five.  Take a nap after lunch just about every day.  My friends/family tease me about it and say I'm too young to be doing this, but fark them, I love it.  It helps that I work at home.


I love them too! I don't need them right now, because I'm on the schedule my body likes, but I had one job where I worked 5 minutes from home and had an hour lunch, so I'd cruise home, make a sandwich real quick, eat, and then lay down on the couch for 20 minutes and head back.  It was the only thing that made that job bearable.  I wish that companies here in the US would give us nap rooms or quiet rooms (booked thru Outlook, like any other meeting room, maybe limit it to 15 mins for each use) Most offices I've worked in have had lactation rooms that were seldom, if ever used, and for that, very short periods.  They could be re-purposed to serve as napping rooms when not being used by new moms as they sit empty most of the day.

/my old cube was right by the lactation room in my previous company.  It was not used at all while I was there (2 years) and it was locked.  Key held by the HR Nazis.
 
2014-07-23 02:04:27 PM  

4seasons85!: Honestly, I need about 8 hrs to feel fully rested. Five is my minimum. Anything less I start to have problems staying awake.


My body's preference is going to bed between 1am and 3am, waking up around noon, but as this does not jive with most of the world, I get up at 730am, pound caffeine, take my ADD med, and show up to work. I actually "wake up" around 10am, but then am burnt out by 1pm. This issue is compounded by the fact that we put my daughter to bed between 8and 9pm, so if I went to bed to get enough sleep, I'd have about 2 hours to do all of my recreation.
 
2014-07-23 02:17:22 PM  

roc6783: 4seasons85!: Honestly, I need about 8 hrs to feel fully rested. Five is my minimum. Anything less I start to have problems staying awake.

My body's preference is going to bed between 1am and 3am, waking up around noon, but as this does not jive with most of the world, I get up at 730am, pound caffeine, take my ADD med, and show up to work. I actually "wake up" around 10am, but then am burnt out by 1pm. This issue is compounded by the fact that we put my daughter to bed between 8and 9pm, so if I went to bed to get enough sleep, I'd have about 2 hours to do all of my recreation.


This.  I can identify with you.  The US runs on 8-5 Mon-Fri scheduling and when you're outside of it, it's hard to see your friends, family or do pretty much anything in the normal category. People like you and I would be much more productive if there were either more industries open to different shifts without having to work for minimum wage or at least giving us a brief nap during the day (taken out of the lunch hour, it's only fair). I figure I'll probably shuffle off of this mortal coil sooner due to fighting my body and trying to conform with the 8-5 thing as I would if just left to my own devices as in waking up when my body tells me to.
 
2014-07-23 03:46:46 PM  
Years ago after I ahd a car accident I was lucky if I got an hour night of sleep. I would usually wake up sweating and screaming, only place I ever got any sleep is if I was visiting my parents. That went on for about 2 years, then I would start to sleep more and more and now I guess I get about between 6-7 hours and it works for me. Sometimes on weekends I will cat nap. When my rooamte was drinking real bad a few years ago she would sleep days waking to only pee and drink until she passed out.
 
2014-07-23 04:13:55 PM  

The Gordie Howe Hat Trick: hubiestubert: I generally run my best on 5-6 hours. I broke habit, and stayed up last weekend on a marathon reading session to finish a damn book, and was up until 6am or so, and wound up sleeping until nearly 7:45pm, and given the extended sunlight, didn't realize how late it was until I checked the clock after getting some coffee. I went to bed again at my usual 1am or so, and was up by 6am the next day.

I sleep as long as my body deems fit. Sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's less. There's enough to do that if I do wake up, it's not some mass tragedy that I "lost" time somewhere. And if I sleep in, that's not exactly a terrible thing either--though at this point, 7am is considered "sleeping in"...

Stop being so reasonable; there's fear to be mongered


lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-07-23 07:06:41 PM  
No no no no. It will kill all of you if I don't get eight hours of sleep, preferably closer to nine.
 
2014-07-24 06:45:58 AM  
There are more health flip flops than Miami Beach.
 
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