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(WFTV Orlando)   Banksy does it and it's considered pricey art. Rodriguez-Cruz does it and is facing felony criminal mischief charges with damage totaling more than $23,000   (wftv.com ) divider line
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2014-07-22 10:36:11 PM  
7 votes:
Farking taggers get what they deserve.

/Someday Banksy will as well.
2014-07-23 07:40:58 AM  
4 votes:
Banksy isn't an artist, he's a stencilist.
2014-07-23 06:17:01 AM  
3 votes:
Sounds like the father needs to have his house tagged,  then see if he still thinks it's not a crime.
2014-07-23 05:38:54 AM  
3 votes:
Maybe it's because this douchebag is a lowlife tagger and not a graffiti "artist" by any stretch of the imagination.
2014-07-23 02:34:22 AM  
3 votes:
Meh, paying for repainting buildings after they've been tagged by graffiti can sometimes cause an honest shop keeper his business so I says fark this tagger guy.

In terms of what Banksy does I'm more open to the argument that it's art and the fact that a Banksy tag enhances property values due to his fame or infamy or whatever you want to call it certainly enters into that argument.

Up here in Vancouver we have a tagger who goes by the name "iv" who does some stuff people consider Banksy-esque to the point where Banksy actually posted pics of one of his pieces on his site.

This one...

i.huffpost.com
2014-07-23 08:01:53 AM  
2 votes:

Boo_Guy: Sounds like the father needs to have his house tagged,  then see if he still thinks it's not a crime.


Came here to say this, figured someone would have beat me to it.
2014-07-23 05:41:53 AM  
2 votes:
I don't really give a shiat if it's a abandoned building, but on live businesses or homes were people live is wrong.
2014-07-22 11:32:46 PM  
2 votes:
To be fair,  banksy would have been arrested a long time ago if his identity was known.

These days he probably still would if he did a piece on public property and was busted before posting on his website.
2014-07-23 02:34:10 PM  
1 vote:
spacebison.com
2014-07-23 12:44:16 PM  
1 vote:

MaliFinn: Clemkadidlefark: Graffiti is not art and these criminals need to eradicated. I mean wiped from the earth. Hosed with gasoline and set in fire

Art is communication.  You don't have to like either the method or the message.


And artists are commissioned to make public murals. They don't have to resort to defacing property and trespassing.
2014-07-23 12:39:16 PM  
1 vote:
Wonder how pissed these asshats would be if someone painted shiat on the walls of there home.
2014-07-23 11:35:25 AM  
1 vote:
In my neighborhood, we started adding "SUCKS" to any graffiti tags. So if "RTMISS" tagged a sign, we added "SUCKS" underneath it.

Our neighborhood is now relatively graffiti-tag free.

YMMV.
2014-07-23 11:17:18 AM  
1 vote:

Clemkadidlefark: Graffiti is not art and these criminals need to eradicated. I mean wiped from the earth. Hosed with gasoline and set in fire


Art is communication.  You don't have to like either the method or the message.
2014-07-23 11:04:38 AM  
1 vote:
If it's any consolation to the perp, I don't consider what Banksy does to be art.
2014-07-23 10:21:27 AM  
1 vote:

msP: THX 1138: digistil: Thought his name was Robert Banks and from Bristol, England.
There's a theory that this is him.  Not many (if any) other photos out there:
I would like to think Banksy is someone much sexier than that guy.


Yeah, we all know that Banksy looks more like this. Here he is cooling off a little, after working up a sweat finishing his latest art work.

www.achotelexperts.com
2014-07-23 09:27:37 AM  
1 vote:

LemSkroob: I'm guessing education is not going to be a high priority in a hispanic family with a hyphenated last name.


Why not?  That's a really weird combination of stereotypes.
2014-07-23 09:23:42 AM  
1 vote:

digistil: Yeah, if I were to guess, I'd say there's a reasonable chance that's him. How many people in Jamaica (where I believe that pic was taken) look like that AND use stencils for street art (as seen in the pic)? But really, I'd be sad if he were truly outed.


Yep, that's the Jamaica photo.  But who knows, it's ten years old now and he's got to look somewhat different at this point.  I also wouldn't be surprised if he changed his personal look to some degree as a result of that photo.
2014-07-23 09:13:01 AM  
1 vote:
To be fair, Banksy is a pseudonym because he knows what he is doing is illegal and he is likely to be prosecuted if he gets caught.
2014-07-23 09:11:40 AM  
1 vote:

THX 1138: digistil: Thought his name was Robert Banks and from Bristol, England.

There's a theory that this is him.  Not many (if any) other photos out there:

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x372]


Yeah, if I were to guess, I'd say there's a reasonable chance that's him. How many people in Jamaica (where I believe that pic was taken) look like that AND use stencils for street art (as seen in the pic)? But really, I'd be sad if he were truly outed.
2014-07-23 09:04:41 AM  
1 vote:

Hoopy Frood: Monet does it and it sells at Sotheby's for $54 million. Your aunt Shirley does it and Salvation Army throws it out.


To be fair, Monet did landscapes. My aunt Shirley does Fartzilla.
2014-07-23 08:51:26 AM  
1 vote:
Monet does it and it sells at Sotheby's for $54 million. Your aunt Shirley does it and Salvation Army throws it out.
msP
2014-07-23 08:41:13 AM  
1 vote:

THX 1138: digistil: Thought his name was Robert Banks and from Bristol, England.

There's a theory that this is him.  Not many (if any) other photos out there:


I would like to think Banksy is someone much sexier than that guy.
2014-07-23 08:23:11 AM  
1 vote:
Would it be different if someone came in and landscaped my yard without my permission?  Or painted my house?  It may have even improved the value of the property, but what if I didn't want that?  Could I not argue that the yard and house is an "installation" of my own creation and this work that was done to it has defaced and damaged it?  It would be impossible to show monetary damage as the property had increased in value.  At that point, doesn't it become a simple matter of property rights.
2014-07-23 08:15:19 AM  
1 vote:

quatchi: Meh, paying for repainting buildings after they've been tagged by graffiti can sometimes cause an honest shop keeper his business so I says fark this tagger guy.

In terms of what Banksy does I'm more open to the argument that it's art and the fact that a Banksy tag enhances property values due to his fame or infamy or whatever you want to call it certainly enters into that argument.

Up here in Vancouver we have a tagger who goes by the name "iv" who does some stuff people consider Banksy-esque to the point where Banksy actually posted pics of one of his pieces on his site.

This one...

[i.huffpost.com image 640x640]


Yup... here in Columbus, we have Vinchen. He's reached the point where most of his stuff doesn't get removed.

www.vinchen.com
2014-07-23 07:56:45 AM  
1 vote:
I was at the art school in Bristol when banks was starting to get popular. I thought he was crap back then but all the art teachers were wanking themselves with glee thinking they had a secret 'real artist's in their midst. But then, these were the people that called Tracy emin an 'artist'. Kinda put a lot of real artists off of perusing their love. Fast forward in time, the few people I keep in contact with from art school are estate agents, drunks, or work at dominoes. Or a mixture of three prior mentioned careers.
2014-07-23 07:48:53 AM  
1 vote:

I'm just asking questions: Banksy isn't an artist, he's a stencilist.


Most of the "Street Artists", including Banksy, have typically considered themselves activists and commentators more than anything. Of course Art has often been about protest and trying to raise social awareness of issues. Besides, calling a distinction between being an artists and a stencilist is a false dichotomy. It isn't like you don't still have to design and create the stencils. Being an artist isn't just about being able to freehand paint a subject.

That said I usually find the art world to be extremely pretentious and completely up its own ass. I like Banksy though after watching Exit Through the Giftshop. Need to watch his new doc that is up on Netflix.
2014-07-23 07:11:14 AM  
1 vote:
FTFA: "Hey listen, it's not a crime," Rodriguez-Cruz's father said.

I don't think this kid really stood a chance given his upbringing.

As for Banksy -- It's only vandalism if the property owner says it is.
2014-07-23 06:50:39 AM  
1 vote:
Banksy:

untappedcities.com

Rodriguez-Cruz (guesstamated)

www.dontpaniconline.com
2014-07-23 06:30:21 AM  
1 vote:
The problem.Found it,I have.

"You don't think that's a crime?" reporter Jeff Deal asked.
"Hey listen, it's not a crime," Rodriguez-Cruz's father said.
2014-07-23 06:09:49 AM  
1 vote:
Given that the fines for graffiti are usually on the order of what it costs to actually clean it up properly (so usually a couple hundred bucks per incident, rarely more than 500$), building up 23k$ of fines is... a farking lot of tagging, there.
2014-07-23 06:08:36 AM  
1 vote:
someone once posten an image of varying types of graffiti. The captions, in descending order were; "This is art, this is awesome, this is shiat."

Spending time creating a thought-provoking piece that sparks conversation and reinforces the reputation of the artist is one thing, writing your name on dumpsters using 17 different colours of spray paint just means you've got too much time on your hands and a massively inflated ego

Not to say Banksy hasn't got an ego, but at least he does something interesting with it
2014-07-23 06:06:13 AM  
1 vote:

Lsherm: lindseyp: These days he probably still would if he did a piece on public property and was busted before posting on his website.

Yeah, and I doubt he'd be able to successfully throw up an "art" defense, at least in court.  If my "art" is taking a shiat on a police car, that doesn't mean I still can't be arrested for it.


The difference nowadays is that once it's on his website, the property owner is going to be pretty stoked to have "a banksy" and wouldn't press charges or complain about the cost of cleanup.

Public property, however... I still think there's a good chance he'd get charged if caught.
2014-07-23 05:51:20 AM  
1 vote:
Simple test to tell if it's graffiti or art : Would anyone be willing to pay for?  I bet a lot of people would pay Banksy.
2014-07-23 12:46:01 AM  
1 vote:

fusillade762: lindseyp: To be fair, banksy would have been arrested a long time ago if his identity was known.

Was gonna say. The main difference is Banksy doesn't get caught.


The main diffrence is that Bansky is a con artist. His performance is coning the art world.
He's not shy about this..he has no real talent other than making people look foolish for purchasing his stuff and becoming a media darling.

Even the worst of the abstract expressionists where doing it because of some ideal for 'art' above the selling price.

And any place 'tagged' by Bansky just hit the farken jackpot.
2014-07-23 12:36:21 AM  
1 vote:

lindseyp: To be fair,  banksy would have been arrested a long time ago if his identity was known.


Was gonna say. The main difference is Banksy doesn't get caught.
2014-07-22 11:06:23 PM  
1 vote:
upload.wikimedia.org

HI I'M LOBSTER WASSUP.

chiasuanchong.files.wordpress.com

Ahh..you doing anything tonight? I"m thinking Cat Tossing?

upload.wikimedia.org
i.telegraph.co.uk
THAT POOR CAT...YOU MONSTER.

media.tumblr.com

FARK YOU...I'M GOING TO THE MANHOLE.
2014-07-22 10:54:44 PM  
1 vote:
Whoo...someone found a buzz word outrage.

Yeah...when Putin does it, it's cronyism...

But when Rick Scott does it just sound biz sense.
 
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