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2014-07-22 05:31:58 PM  
Oh look, it's this thread again.
 
2014-07-22 05:53:53 PM  
FTFA: He questioned Duffett's argument about the separation of church and state.

"We're confused," he said. "We don't believe the right to discriminate has any bearing on that."



Young, sinful fools... Only now, at the end, do you finally understand.
 
2014-07-22 05:55:48 PM  
You know, I was trying to explain to someone in one of our London offices why the US didn't have an anti- bullying law for schools, and I told them that our religious nutters thought that discriminating against gay people was their right, and they literally did not believe me.

I had to send them links. It's embarrassing to keep explaining "my government is made up of people who don't believe in evolution" every time I ask them to comply with our laws.
 
2014-07-22 06:06:12 PM  
As with most things of this nature replace "LGBT" or "Gay" with "Black" in every instance and see how much sense it makes.
 
2014-07-22 06:41:32 PM  
It's a Christian school.  Who would expect them to be backwards?
 
2014-07-22 06:53:39 PM  
OK - question from someone who lives where University's can't have religious bias...

Do these Uni's/Colleges teach only religious studies and Theology?  Or do they cover other subjects as well?  I mean, they are claiming they are a 'religious institution'.  Are they funded by the Government or are they private?
 
2014-07-22 07:14:32 PM  
Staff has now informed me of what a Christian School is.

I'm only left with more questions.
 
2014-07-22 07:22:06 PM  

deffuse: Do these Uni's/Colleges teach only religious studies and Theology? Or do they cover other subjects as well? I mean, they are claiming they are a 'religious institution'. Are they funded by the Government or are they private?


If they are religiously affiliated, they are privately funded. There may be some cases where a public, government funded school has a religious affiliation, but I don't know of any. There are some that are centered around theology, but I'd say that most (like the one in question) are not.
 
2014-07-22 07:38:37 PM  

deffuse: OK - question from someone who lives where University's can't have religious bias...

Do these Uni's/Colleges teach only religious studies and Theology?  Or do they cover other subjects as well?  I mean, they are claiming they are a 'religious institution'.  Are they funded by the Government or are they private?




Well, Harvard is a religious school. A lot of our old Northeast school were stated as religious institutions, but turned into major research institutions.

Even some of the Jesuit schools- BC, Georgetown, Fordham- are almost identical to non Jesuit schools. I know gay people who work at Fordham and BC, and have no issues. Hell, one of my friends works for a Catholic college and they are happily paying for her fertility and insemination so she and her girlfriend can have a baby. Notre Dame has a gay straight alliance club, and a pro choice club.

However thr schools that market themselves as religious are typically only interested in pushing their agenda. Some of them just take poorly educate home schooled sheltered kids and marry them off to each other, but some- like Liberty University- are actively and proudly working to subvert our democracy by placing their graduates in as many positions in the justice department as possible.

That's the really scary part.
 
2014-07-22 08:43:53 PM  
He signed the petition, he says, because the school supports the separation of church and state.

"This means no government has the right to determine theological views and practices of religious institutions," Duffett wrote in an e-mail to alumni, employees, and students who objected to his signature.


Religious nuts do realize this door swings both ways, right?
 
2014-07-22 08:52:18 PM  
As Jesus said about homosexuality:

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2014-07-22 08:53:15 PM  

jayhawk88: He signed the petition, he says, because the school supports the separation of church and state.

"This means no government has the right to determine theological views and practices of religious institutions," Duffett wrote in an e-mail to alumni, employees, and students who objected to his signature.

Religious nuts do realize this door swings both ways, right?


No.  And they never have.  "Killing anyone who doesn't bow to our every whim" is seen as a core religious practice, and thus to prevent them from abusing others is discrimination and attempted destruction of their faith.  "Live and let live" is explicitly not part of the religious experience, and thus to make them abide by it is also discriminating against their faith and an attempt to exterminate them.
 
2014-07-22 08:53:42 PM  
Religion is a hell of a drug!
 
2014-07-22 08:54:45 PM  
Go home, religion, you're outdated.
 
2014-07-22 08:58:12 PM  
"As you seek to promote the rights of LGBT persons, please also protect the rights of faith-based organizations that simply desire to utilize staffing practices consistent with their deep religious convictions as they partner with the federal government via contracting or subcontracting."


^^^
AS THEY PARTNER WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT VIA CONTRACTING OR SUBCONTRACTING


They're only upset they can't use government money to discriminate.  F You!
 
2014-07-22 08:58:26 PM  
If you want more religion in your government, be prepared for a whole lot more government in your religion.
 
2014-07-22 08:59:27 PM  

Herb Utsmelz: As Jesus said about homosexuality:

"                                                  "


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2014-07-22 09:03:55 PM  

jayhawk88: He signed the petition, he says, because the school supports the separation of church and state.

"This means no government has the right to determine theological views and practices of religious institutions," Duffett wrote in an e-mail to alumni, employees, and students who objected to his signature.

Religious nuts do realize this door swings both ways, right?


Since he's such a strong advocate of separation of church and state, I'm sure he would be opposed to laws based on Christian teachings or mandated prayers. Absolutely sure. Nope, this is not sarcasm at all.
 
2014-07-22 09:13:12 PM  
Don't most of these institutions get funding from students using government guaranteed student loans to pay for tuition and books?
 
2014-07-22 09:20:55 PM  

what_now: A lot of our old Northeast school were stated as religious institutions, but turned into major research institutions.


That goes for most private schools before the era of the for profit schools.  And those that have grown big enough to stand on their own have often done so to varying degrees.
 
2014-07-22 09:23:46 PM  
Wow.... my alma mater made fark. Wish it was for something else.

This has been blowing up my Facebook all weekend, but we made it to Fark - this is big time.

For the record: This made news because the vast majority of faculty, staff, and alumni from the past 10 years are pro-gay Christians. This is the college that Christian Democrats go to . We pride ourselves on NOT being like Liberty, or Bob Jones, or Gordon, etc. Our last president made headlines for his pro-LGBT stance. So when the new president signed this derp, we all went nuts.
 
2014-07-22 09:30:38 PM  
Duffett said in an interview that the policy is not discriminatory because it also prohibits heterosexual sex outside of marriage.

What might sexually repressed college girls look like?
 
2014-07-22 09:36:45 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: "As you seek to promote the rights of LGBT persons, please also protect the rights of faith-based organizations that simply desire to utilize staffing practices consistent with their deep religious convictions as they partner with the federal government via contracting or subcontracting."


^^^
AS THEY PARTNER WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT VIA CONTRACTING OR SUBCONTRACTING


They're only upset they can't use government money to discriminate.  F You!


Came to say this, but you've already yelled it so eloquently.
 
2014-07-22 09:46:26 PM  

deffuse: OK - question from someone who lives where University's can't have religious bias...

Do these Uni's/Colleges teach only religious studies and Theology?  Or do they cover other subjects as well?  I mean, they are claiming they are a 'religious institution'.  Are they funded by the Government or are they private?


The science classes were some of my favorite. Especially the Old Testament.
 
2014-07-22 09:46:44 PM  
So, let me get this straight.

Government can't tell religious institutions to accept gay people because separation of church and state.

Religious institutions can petition for a government-mandated ban on gay marriage because...?
 
2014-07-22 09:47:16 PM  
Is it okay for me to discriminate against Democrats?  I refuse to rent to the bastards. And then I often discern that someone is a Democrat because they are part of a demographic group that overwhelmingly votes Democrat. Sometimes I'll ask them a few questions to confirm their Democratness. "Hey, that Obama sure is doing a great job, huh?".  Nice trick, don't you think?  But there isn't enough time to question all of them so I just discriminate against them.  Conversely, I don't discriminate against Republican looking people but on occasion a bad one will slip through.
 
2014-07-22 09:50:52 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Conversely, I don't discriminate against Republican looking people but on occasion a bad one will slip through.


The "rare" white Democrat, right?
 
2014-07-22 09:51:11 PM  

exick: deffuse: Do these Uni's/Colleges teach only religious studies and Theology? Or do they cover other subjects as well? I mean, they are claiming they are a 'religious institution'. Are they funded by the Government or are they private?

If they are religiously affiliated, they are privately funded. There may be some cases where a public, government funded school has a religious affiliation, but I don't know of any. There are some that are centered around theology, but I'd say that most (like the one in question) are not.


Eastern is private.

We have all sorts of majors. We have theology, Bible studies, Youth Ministry, Social Work, Psychology, etc. But we also have education, Chemistry, Bio, etc.

And YES, we teach evolution. The bio professors do, even the Bible professors do. (Peter Enns is one of our big Bible professors, he's made a career out of writing how the Bible doesn't teach creationism). We make fun of creationists as much as you do. The psych professors teach that it's OK to be gay. We have LGBT faculty & staff right now. We have a Gay/Straight Alliance.

But it is a religious institution - theology, Bible, are required. There is a mid-week Chapel service. Most residence halls have both normal RA's and Student Chaplains who lead mid-week Bible Studies. Guest speakers on campus tend to be Christian authors. Professors are Christians, albeit most of them are gay-ok, and evolution ok, but we still worship Jesus. Classes are taught with a Christian slant. Check out  http://www.redletterchristians.org and you'll see the type of Christians we are. (And why we do not want to be associated with the normal Christian derp).
 
2014-07-22 09:53:08 PM  

Fast Moon: So, let me get this straight.

Government can't tell religious institutions to accept gay people because separation of church and state.

Religious institutions can petition for a government-mandated ban on gay marriage because...?


The First Amendment guarantees their right to petition.

The same amendment requires the government to tell them to go fark themselves in regards to that request.

Unless they can get another amendment that says gays are icky because Jeebus.
 
2014-07-22 09:55:55 PM  
Well if corporations are people and can have religious beliefs, surely religious-affiliated schools are also people, or capable of being people by incorporation, and thus they can have religious beliefs as well. So no slut pills, no homos, no medical care or maternity care unless it's from Jesus ... oh because they're pro-life.
 
2014-07-22 09:56:52 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Is it okay for me to discriminate against Democrats?  I refuse to rent to the bastards. And then I often discern that someone is a Democrat because they are part of a demographic group that overwhelmingly votes Democrat. Sometimes I'll ask them a few questions to confirm their Democratness. "Hey, that Obama sure is doing a great job, huh?".  Nice trick, don't you think?  But there isn't enough time to question all of them so I just discriminate against them.  Conversely, I don't discriminate against Republican looking people but on occasion a bad one will slip through.


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2014-07-22 09:59:49 PM  

ivan: Staff has now informed me of what a Christian School is.

I'm only left with more questions.


I truly, truly hope this becomes a meme.  It was perfect.
 
2014-07-22 10:02:47 PM  
Uh I already thought religious institutions were exempt from this. Why does this guy need to petition?
 
2014-07-22 10:04:41 PM  
If you don't want to worry about federal laws trumping your right to discriminate don't take federal money. Separate your church from the state and make it on your own dime.
 
2014-07-22 10:05:20 PM  

12349876: Noam Chimpsky: Conversely, I don't discriminate against Republican looking people but on occasion a bad one will slip through.

The "rare" white Democrat, right?


I'm pretty good at discerning white Democrats from normal whites. But on occasion a bad one will slip thru. White Democrats have these peculiar "tells" about them. After a while you can spot one.
 
2014-07-22 10:08:24 PM  

Fart_Machine: Uh I already thought religious institutions were exempt from this. Why does this guy need to petition?




Religious institutions are exempt from covering birth control.

This is an executive order that states that the US government will not contract with organizations that discriminate.

This guy wants tax payer funded grants and loans for his students, but he wants to be able to deny some students based on their sexual orientation.
 
2014-07-22 10:16:53 PM  

jayhawk88: He signed the petition, he says, because the school supports the separation of church and state.

"This means no government has the right to determine theological views and practices of religious institutions," Duffett wrote in an e-mail to alumni, employees, and students who objected to his signature.

Religious nuts do realize this door swings both ways, right?


Nobody's pushed the door the other way yet, unfortunately. At least not hard enough to hit these assholes in the, well, asshole.
 
2014-07-22 10:17:08 PM  
A group of Eastern University alumni has called on the president of the school to remove his signature from a letter urging President Lincoln to exempt religious institutions from an order that bans discrimination based on race.
The June 25. 1861 letter to Lincoln coauthored by representatives of more than 100 religious-based groups, states: "As you seek to promote the rights of negro persons, please also protect the rights of faith-based organizations that simply desire to utilize staffing practices consistent with their deep religious convictions as they partner with the federal government via contracting or subcontracting."
 
2014-07-22 10:22:11 PM  
Is this BYU?
 
2014-07-22 10:23:59 PM  
The only solution for schools that are religious based need to add a question concerning sexuality in their student applications. If you're homosexual, bisexual, or trans you don't get admitted because your lifestyle is immoral according to their religious background of the school.

I really hope the University of Notre Dame or BYU implements it. This would prevent folks such as Manti Te'o from being admitted.
 
2014-07-22 10:34:52 PM  
Palmer American Baptist Seminary at Eastern is (or was if they moved) a humble collection of red brick buildings. Across the street was the enormous landscaped grounds of St Charles Catholic Seminary and buildings that make some European palaces seem shabby. About two blocks away was the Yeshiva of Philadelphia. All are around the train station.

You could see centuries of religious garb just waiting for main line commuter train.
 
2014-07-22 10:35:45 PM  

Chongo79: Eastern is private.

We have all sorts of majors. ...
... We make fun of creationists as much as you do. The psych professors teach that it's OK to be gay. We have LGBT faculty & staff right now. We have a Gay/Straight Alliance.

But it is a religious institution -  ...
... we do not want to be associated with the normal Christian derp).


Do the the already-existing LGBT faculty and staff at Eastern share your opinion about this?  It seems like a rather non-intuitive expression of Christ's teachings.
 
2014-07-22 10:41:22 PM  
He signed the petition, he says, because the school supports the separation of church and state.

You support the separation of church and state?  Fine.  Great.  So do I.

"As you seek to promote the rights of LGBT persons, please also protect the rights of faith-based organizations that simply desire to utilize staffing practices consistent with their deep religious convictions  ...

And you're holding yourself out to be a church?

... as they partner with the federal government via contracting or subcontracting."

Well then.  Get to separating.  Don't wait for Obama to do something.  Be proactive.  Cancel your churches contracts with the government yourself.
 
2014-07-22 10:43:01 PM  
I shouldn't have to pay to support institutionalised bigotry against myself.

I'd love to hear what they would say if the government was rewarding contracts and and tax money to secular atheist organizations that refuse to hire the religious.
 
2014-07-22 10:55:06 PM  

SisterMaryElephant: "As you seek to promote the rights of LGBT persons, please also protect the rights of faith-based organizations that simply desire to utilize staffing practices consistent with their deep religious convictions as they partner with the federal government via contracting or subcontracting."


^^^
AS THEY PARTNER WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT VIA CONTRACTING OR SUBCONTRACTING


They're only upset they can't use government money to discriminate.  F You!


The Oatmeal kindly provided the internets with some free to use images today, one of which would, I feel, fit perfectly within your post:

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-07-22 10:56:10 PM  

mofa: Do the the already-existing LGBT faculty and staff at Eastern share your opinion about this desire to be allowed to freely discriminate against them? It seems like a rather non-intuitive expression of Christ's teachings.


// FTFM
 
2014-07-22 10:58:49 PM  
There goes my plan to staff my government contractor without any Irish or evangelicals.
 
2014-07-22 11:02:04 PM  

mofa: Chongo79: Eastern is private.

We have all sorts of majors. ...
... We make fun of creationists as much as you do. The psych professors teach that it's OK to be gay. We have LGBT faculty & staff right now. We have a Gay/Straight Alliance.

But it is a religious institution -  ...
... we do not want to be associated with the normal Christian derp).

Do the the already-existing LGBT faculty and staff at Eastern share your opinion about this?  It seems like a rather non-intuitive expression of Christ's teachings.


I'm a little confused by your question.

There have been plenty of comments in this already about how Jesus said nothing about gay people. How we should love people, even if they have a different religion, etc. We worship Jesus. So what is counter-intuitive?
 
2014-07-22 11:48:17 PM  

mofa: It seems like a rather non-intuitive expression of Christ's teachings.


"It" meaning "acceptance of gay people"? You seem to be under the impression that Jesus is quoted as saying anything about homosexuality.

Why don't you fetch us a quote from the gospels (or any other where in the Bible, for that matter) which elucidates Jesus' opinion on the question. We'll wait. With bated breath.
 
2014-07-22 11:48:23 PM  
Did he come from the comp-sci department, where no one was expected to get laid?
 
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