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2014-07-22 04:45:28 PM  
If I recall correctly, no team, including the Rams, knew there was a planned reality TV show in the works until after the draft.
 
2014-07-22 04:48:29 PM  
His comments wouldn't be so evil and hypocritical if he hadn't pushed for Michael Vick to be let back in the league.
 
2014-07-22 04:56:27 PM  
Oh STFU.
 
2014-07-22 05:00:59 PM  
He's not being homophobic, he's being pragmatic. He doesn't want the media circus that comes with drafting this dude.
 
2014-07-22 05:13:38 PM  
Average player tweeting this -- yeah, a fine and suspension, probably at the club level with pressure from the corporate offices.

So, Dungy getting more passes than Dan Fouts during his prime.
 
2014-07-22 05:24:56 PM  
Today certainly has justified his concerns about a media circus. I'd rather he'd have avoided involving people in media circuses when Vick got out of prison.
 
2014-07-22 05:26:03 PM  

dj_bigbird: He's not being homophobic, he's being pragmatic. He doesn't want the media circus that comes with drafting this dude.


And what about the media circus that's come with the Browns drafting Johnny Manziel? He never once mentioned anything to do with distractions when talking about drafting him. In fact, Tony Dungy said that "If I'm committed to winning, I'd take him." And Manziel has inarguably been more distracting to the Browns since the draft than Michael Sam has been to the Rams.
 
2014-07-22 05:29:56 PM  

Serious Black: dj_bigbird: He's not being homophobic, he's being pragmatic. He doesn't want the media circus that comes with drafting this dude.

And what about the media circus that's come with the Browns drafting Johnny Manziel? He never once mentioned anything to do with distractions when talking about drafting him. In fact, Tony Dungy said that "If I'm committed to winning, I'd take him." And Manziel has inarguably been more distracting to the Browns since the draft than Michael Sam has been to the Rams.


True. I think Manziel's upside is higher than Sam's. I think a lot of coaches would weigh any players talent against any other off the field issues he brings with him. (For the record, I would have just evaluated Sam purely on talent and need if I were a head coach.) Manziel is a tremendous prospect at a skill position, Sam is a middling prospect at DE. Anyone who thinks those are weighed equally is fooling himself.
 
2014-07-22 05:39:36 PM  

Nabb1: Serious Black: dj_bigbird: He's not being homophobic, he's being pragmatic. He doesn't want the media circus that comes with drafting this dude.

And what about the media circus that's come with the Browns drafting Johnny Manziel? He never once mentioned anything to do with distractions when talking about drafting him. In fact, Tony Dungy said that "If I'm committed to winning, I'd take him." And Manziel has inarguably been more distracting to the Browns since the draft than Michael Sam has been to the Rams.

True. I think Manziel's upside is higher than Sam's. I think a lot of coaches would weigh any players talent against any other off the field issues he brings with him. (For the record, I would have just evaluated Sam purely on talent and need if I were a head coach.) Manziel is a tremendous prospect at a skill position, Sam is a middling prospect at DE. Anyone who thinks those are weighed equally is fooling himself.


I suspect just about everyone on this thread would agree that Johnny Manziel has more upside than Michael Sam. I think just about everyone on this thread would agree that Michael Vick four years ago had more upside than Michael Sam does today. That's not the point. The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing with them or the media circus that's come to Cleveland with Manziel since his drafting. And those were HUGE media circuses! Yet for Michael Sam, the media circus that has turned out to basically be nothing in comparison to Vick's or Manziel's is a deal-breaker? All he had to say was Michael Sam was a middling prospect who may or may not make it on a game-day NFL roster ever just because he's not really built to play any position in the NFL right now. We all know that. And yet Dungy deliberately harped on the distraction angle as a reason to not draft him.
 
2014-07-22 05:54:53 PM  
Serious Black:
I suspect just about everyone on this thread would agree that Johnny Manziel has more upside than Michael Sam. I think just about everyone on this thread would agree that Michael Vick four years ago had more upside than Michael Sam does today. That's not the point. The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing with them or the media circus that's come to Cleveland with Manziel since his drafting. And those were HUGE media circuses! Yet for Michael Sam, the media circus that has turned out to basically be nothing in comparison to Vick's or Manziel's is a deal-breaker? All he had to say was Michael Sam was a middling prospect who may or may not make it on a game-day NFL roster ever just because he's not really built to play any position in the NFL right now. We all know that. And yet Dungy deliberately harped on the distraction angle as a reason to not draft him.

At the time, there was talk of a "reality" show with Sam, that's a bit more than a regular media circus http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/16/michael-sam-reality-s h ow-on-hold/
 
2014-07-22 05:56:07 PM  

dj_bigbird: Serious Black:
I suspect just about everyone on this thread would agree that Johnny Manziel has more upside than Michael Sam. I think just about everyone on this thread would agree that Michael Vick four years ago had more upside than Michael Sam does today. That's not the point. The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing with them or the media circus that's come to Cleveland with Manziel since his drafting. And those were HUGE media circuses! Yet for Michael Sam, the media circus that has turned out to basically be nothing in comparison to Vick's or Manziel's is a deal-breaker? All he had to say was Michael Sam was a middling prospect who may or may not make it on a game-day NFL roster ever just because he's not really built to play any position in the NFL right now. We all know that. And yet Dungy deliberately harped on the distraction angle as a reason to not draft him.

At the time, there was talk of a "reality" show with Sam, that's a bit more than a regular media circus http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/16/michael-sam-reality-s h ow-on-hold/


I wouldn't want any reality show nonsense on my team. Most teams want nothing to do with "Hard Knocks."
 
2014-07-22 06:05:18 PM  

dj_bigbird: He's not being homophobic, he's being pragmatic. He doesn't want the media circus that comes with drafting this dude.


Every time I hear about Michael Sam, it's some asshole talking shiat. This happens about once every three to five weeks. This is not a circus.
 
2014-07-22 06:16:13 PM  

dj_bigbird: Serious Black:
I suspect just about everyone on this thread would agree that Johnny Manziel has more upside than Michael Sam. I think just about everyone on this thread would agree that Michael Vick four years ago had more upside than Michael Sam does today. That's not the point. The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing with them or the media circus that's come to Cleveland with Manziel since his drafting. And those were HUGE media circuses! Yet for Michael Sam, the media circus that has turned out to basically be nothing in comparison to Vick's or Manziel's is a deal-breaker? All he had to say was Michael Sam was a middling prospect who may or may not make it on a game-day NFL roster ever just because he's not really built to play any position in the NFL right now. We all know that. And yet Dungy deliberately harped on the distraction angle as a reason to not draft him.

At the time, there was talk of a "reality" show with Sam, that's a bit more than a regular media circus http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/16/michael-sam-reality-s h ow-on-hold/


More than Manziel has brought to the Browns? More than Vick brought to the Eagles?

Sure, I can buy that the TV show would have been a distraction to the entire team. But the show has been postponed indefinitely for over two months now. And Dungy's clarification of his comments came out today. Surely he knows that the show won't be an issue now. Yet as a part of his clarification, he said "I do not believe Michael's sexual orientation will be a distraction to his teammates or his organization. I do, however, believe that the media attention that comes with it will be a distraction." We've had months now to assess the level of media attention on him. As far as I can tell, it's been basically nothing. The same thing happened with Jason Collins in the NBA; after his first game or two with the Nets, basically nobody paid attention to him. In contrast, hardly a week goes by that Johnny Manziel doesn't show up in the news for partying in Vegas or bragging about how he's making a metric farkton of money. I simply cannot understand how somebody today could rationally think Johnny Manziel will bring less media attention to himself and his team than Michael Sam will bring to himself and his team.
 
2014-07-22 06:18:54 PM  

Mark Ratner: If I recall correctly, no team, including the Rams, knew there was a planned reality TV show in the works until after the draft.


You do recall correctly.
 
2014-07-22 06:41:12 PM  

dj_bigbird: Serious Black:
I suspect just about everyone on this thread would agree that Johnny Manziel has more upside than Michael Sam. I think just about everyone on this thread would agree that Michael Vick four years ago had more upside than Michael Sam does today. That's not the point. The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing with them or the media circus that's come to Cleveland with Manziel since his drafting. And those were HUGE media circuses! Yet for Michael Sam, the media circus that has turned out to basically be nothing in comparison to Vick's or Manziel's is a deal-breaker? All he had to say was Michael Sam was a middling prospect who may or may not make it on a game-day NFL roster ever just because he's not really built to play any position in the NFL right now. We all know that. And yet Dungy deliberately harped on the distraction angle as a reason to not draft him.

At the time, there was talk of a "reality" show with Sam, that's a bit more than a regular media circus http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/16/michael-sam-reality-s h ow-on-hold/


And if you read the article you linked to, you'd see that there wasn't any talk of a "reality" show before or during the draft.  The NFL supposedly knew, but the teams didn't, so therefore no talk.  And once it did come up, the Rams put a stop to it.
 
2014-07-22 06:44:58 PM  
The Rams, being in complete flyover country in a medium sized market might have been the best place for Sam to land. Could you imagine the hype machine if he's been picked by the Patriots, Jets or Giants? I'm going to Saturday's training camp practice on Saturday partly just to see how much media shows up.
 
2014-07-22 06:50:23 PM  

Mark Ratner: If I recall correctly, no team, including the Rams, knew there was a planned reality TV show in the works until after the draft.


For someone that wants to be known as just another football player, not a gay football player - he's sure doing all he can to make sure everyone knows/remembers he's a gay football player.

www.out.com
 
2014-07-22 06:51:11 PM  

dj_bigbird: He's not being homophobic, he's being pragmatic. He doesn't want the media circus that comes with drafting this dude.


... which is exactly what Branch Rickey might have said about Jackie Robinson.... but didn't.

Bigots are bigots, regardless of skin color.
 
2014-07-22 06:54:24 PM  
I hope Tim Tebow remembers that Tony Dungy told him GOD has a place for Tim in the NFL.

No circus related crap there.
 
2014-07-22 06:55:16 PM  

abhorrent1: For someone that wants to be known as just another football player, not a gay football player - he's sure doing all he can to make sure everyone knows/remembers he's a gay football player.


You sure set a low bar for "all he can" didn't you. Confirmation bias much?
 
2014-07-22 06:57:43 PM  

Serious Black: The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing....


It's not that he didn't care, Vick was a pro bowl QB a position that is worth the distraction.
 
2014-07-22 07:01:04 PM  
I bet Rex Ryan would have drafted him so he could have his toes licked.
 
2014-07-22 07:01:44 PM  

mediablitz: abhorrent1: For someone that wants to be known as just another football player, not a gay football player - he's sure doing all he can to make sure everyone knows/remembers he's a gay football player.

You sure set a low bar for "all he can" didn't you. Confirmation bias much?


sure
 
2014-07-22 07:05:35 PM  

mjohnson71: The Rams, being in complete flyover country in a medium sized market might have been the best place for Sam to land. Could you imagine the hype machine if he's been picked by the Patriots, Jets or Giants? I'm going to Saturday's training camp practice on Saturday partly just to see how much media shows up.


Good because he landed in his home state. Bad because he landed on a team with a helluva defense that is going to have just making the team be an accomplishment. I agree that landing in NY for example would have been crazier.

Funny thing is that Dungy who apparently abhors distraction is at the center of a big one in a slow sports news cycle. I dont believe this story gets near the traction that it would had it happened at another time of year like the nfl/college football season.

As far as Sam and the Rams go, they seem to be handling everything great. I havent heard much about him since the draft. Sounds like he is staying out of the news and focusing on football and is not distracting at all.
 
2014-07-22 07:07:29 PM  
He's a religious conservative that advocated for a gay marriage ban in Indiana. He does not like homosexuality. This is not surprising at all.

However, it is unfortunate to see that he hates gays more than he hates dog killing.
 
2014-07-22 07:14:55 PM  
If you buy this attempt of Dungy to slink out from having accidentally revealed himself to be a bigot then you're nearly as bad as he is.

Sure if you want to start a discussion about the technicality of Vick's or Manziel's upside versus Michael Sam's versus the proportionate level of disctraction then fine but it's totally farking clear he wasn't thinking about that or saying that. Everyone farking knows why he said what he said and all you're doing is defending a piece of shiat.
 
2014-07-22 07:15:58 PM  
I'm just glad people are catching up to my Dungy sucks mindset.

 www.mediapeta.com


Not distract-y enough.
 
2014-07-22 07:17:20 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Serious Black: The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing....

It's not that he didn't care, Vick was a pro bowl QB a position that is worth the distraction.


I don't think he's been distracting at all since the draft. Fark has posted basically nothing about him since May before this story broke. What's the issue?
 
2014-07-22 07:18:03 PM  
Yeah, good thing no team would ever want to deal with a 'distraction'

jetsrant.com
 
2014-07-22 07:19:16 PM  
Its a good thing no one thought it would be a distraction being the first black coach to win a superb owl
 
2014-07-22 07:19:17 PM  

mjohnson71: The Rams, being in complete flyover country in a medium sized market might have been the best place for Sam to land. Could you imagine the hype machine if he's been picked by the Patriots, Jets or Giants? I'm going to Saturday's training camp practice on Saturday partly just to see how much media shows up.


Well, that and Sam went to Missouri, so he's already a known quantity among large swaths of the Rams' fanbase.
 
2014-07-22 07:20:44 PM  
cdn.straightfromthea.com

Not distracting at all.

I wonder if Tony Dungy was in any of the episodes...
 
2014-07-22 07:21:14 PM  

Serious Black: DrewCurtisJr: Serious Black: The point is that Tony Dungy didn't seem to care whatsoever about the media circus that was brought to Philly when Vick started playing....

It's not that he didn't care, Vick was a pro bowl QB a position that is worth the distraction.

I don't think he's been distracting at all since the draft. Fark has posted basically nothing about him since May before this story broke. What's the issue?


Not to mention Vick had spent 2 years in the hoosegow and nobody knew what he had left.  He was a plenty big question mark for whom Dungy was advocating, not someone who'd automatically still be a pro bowler.
 
2014-07-22 07:24:24 PM  
The only way Dungy can get over this, if he even cares about getting over this (and thus being allowed back on TV), is to flatly say he would be happy to coach Michael Sam and would welcome any gay players onto his team.
 
2014-07-22 07:24:54 PM  

Lost Thought 00: The only way Dungy can get over this, if he even cares about getting over this (and thus being allowed back on TV), is to flatly say he would be happy to coach Michael Sam and would welcome any gay players onto his team.


He did. In his statement today.
 
2014-07-22 07:25:45 PM  
I understand that people are upset about this. No one should be judged by their sexual orientation. But the people saying he's brave and a hero and comparable to Jackie Robinson? What about them? That's a load of horseshiat too.
 
2014-07-22 07:26:27 PM  

Gosling: mjohnson71: The Rams, being in complete flyover country in a medium sized market might have been the best place for Sam to land. Could you imagine the hype machine if he's been picked by the Patriots, Jets or Giants? I'm going to Saturday's training camp practice on Saturday partly just to see how much media shows up.

Well, that and Sam went to Missouri, so he's already a known quantity among large swaths of the Rams' fanbase.


Also, don't forget Jeff Fisher is a strong personality. He doesn't give a shiat what folks outside his team think.
 
2014-07-22 07:27:25 PM  

Nabb1: Lost Thought 00: The only way Dungy can get over this, if he even cares about getting over this (and thus being allowed back on TV), is to flatly say he would be happy to coach Michael Sam and would welcome any gay players onto his team.

He did. In his statement today.


Then the whole affair is done with.
 
2014-07-22 07:30:44 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: As far as Sam and the Rams go, they seem to be handling everything great. I havent heard much about him since the draft. Sounds like he is staying out of the news and focusing on football and is not distracting at all.


Yep.  They were smart to nip the reality show thing in the bud.  And since then (and I watch a lot of sports shows), I've barely heard about him.  Which is a good thing.
 
2014-07-22 07:31:43 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Nabb1: Lost Thought 00: The only way Dungy can get over this, if he even cares about getting over this (and thus being allowed back on TV), is to flatly say he would be happy to coach Michael Sam and would welcome any gay players onto his team.

He did. In his statement today.

Then the whole affair is done with.


Yeah, here's what he said: I was not asked whether I would have a problem having Michael Sam on my team.  I would not.

He wouldn't have a problem with Michael Sam on his team... he just wouldn't have drafted him.
 
2014-07-22 07:34:14 PM  

timujin: He wouldn't have a problem with Michael Sam on his team... he just wouldn't have drafted him.


Technically, he could have meant 'I'd have taken him as an undrafted free agent', but I don't think that's what he was going for the first time.
 
2014-07-22 07:35:18 PM  
I like how Dungy blames the "media" and ironically works in the "media" and the only "media" coverage about this gay dude in the past few weeks now is what Dungy said to the "media".

/"media"
 
2014-07-22 07:38:02 PM  

timujin: Lost Thought 00: Nabb1: Lost Thought 00: The only way Dungy can get over this, if he even cares about getting over this (and thus being allowed back on TV), is to flatly say he would be happy to coach Michael Sam and would welcome any gay players onto his team.

He did. In his statement today.

Then the whole affair is done with.

Yeah, here's what he said: I was not asked whether I would have a problem having Michael Sam on my team.  I would not.

He wouldn't have a problem with Michael Sam on his team... he just wouldn't have drafted him.


Just like 31 other teams.
 
2014-07-22 07:39:36 PM  

Serious Black: I don't think he's been distracting at all since the draft. Fark has posted basically nothing about him since May before this story broke. What's the issue?


We are talking about comments made about a late round draft choice by a guy who doesn't even coach him. What do you think is going to happen when another player says something about Sam that doesn't fully celebrate the situation?


robsul82: Not to mention Vick had spent 2 years in the hoosegow and nobody knew what he had left.  He was a plenty big question mark for whom Dungy was advocating, not someone who'd automatically still be a pro bowler.


Doesn't matter, ask the Vikings how easy it is to find a QB. Jamarcus Russell even got some workouts.
 
2014-07-22 07:41:42 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: We are talking about comments made about a late round draft choice by a guy who doesn't even coach him. What do you think is going to happen when another player says something about Sam that doesn't fully celebrate the situation?


And Michael Sam should not have been drafted because of what other people will say.

Really?

----------------
You know, there was a time when black players weren't allowed in major professional sports because of what other people might say or do. Not to mention them being viewed as inferior.
 
2014-07-22 07:50:27 PM  
I think what Skip Bayless and Screamin A said about this was worse. Burn ESPN to the ground
 
2014-07-22 07:51:43 PM  

bulldg4life: And Michael Sam should not have been drafted because of what other people will say.

Really?


Because a mediocre talent is worth it, that is why he went so high up in the draft.

bulldg4life: You know, there was a time when black players weren't allowed in major professional sports because of what other people might say or do. Not to mention them being viewed as inferior.


And that's why the first player to break the color barrier in the MLB was just an average player.
 
2014-07-22 07:57:24 PM  
Michael sam isn't allowed to be the first openly gay football player because he's not good enough of a player. Excellent argument
 
2014-07-22 07:58:16 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: robsul82: Not to mention Vick had spent 2 years in the hoosegow and nobody knew what he had left.  He was a plenty big question mark for whom Dungy was advocating, not someone who'd automatically still be a pro bowler.

Doesn't matter, ask the Vikings how easy it is to find a QB. Jamarcus Russell even got some workouts.


So his talent level doesn't matter, just that he's a QB, while in your arguing with bulldg4life, it does matter?
 
2014-07-22 08:01:37 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Because a mediocre talent is worth it, that is why he went so high up in the draft.


Michael Sam was the defensive player of the year in the SEC and across multiple draft boards (including CBS and NFL.com) projected as a 4/5 round pick.

Somehow, after admitting to being gay, he suddenly became a fringe player that probably won't make a roster and was barely drafted.

DrewCurtisJr: And that's why the first player to break the color barrier in the MLB was just an average player.


That doesn't, exactly, help your argument...
 
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