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2014-07-22 02:32:11 PM  
Detroit police get paid? o_o'
 
2014-07-22 02:33:32 PM  
Unless it was Robocop, I'm not sure I'd want a Detroit policeman working in my town.
 
2014-07-22 02:40:05 PM  
That's pretty dumb. You could offer them half-pay and just say "Hey, it's not Detroit."
 
2014-07-22 02:48:34 PM  
FTFA:  "We're not here to steal officers away," he says. "We just want to let the Detroit police officers know that there are other viable opportunities available."


Translation: We're not here to steal officers away, we're here to steal officers away.
 
2014-07-22 02:51:08 PM  
Soooo, it's like there should be some commonwealth of general public good that makes civilization possible or something? Weird.
 
2014-07-22 02:59:26 PM  

scottydoesntknow: That's pretty dumb. You could offer them half-pay and just say "Hey, it's not Detroit."

 
2014-07-22 03:24:31 PM  
And yet there are still people trying to say that the problem with Detroit is that the city employees make too much money and have too nice of benefits packages.
 
2014-07-22 04:36:04 PM  
Cape Coral FL is going to have this problem eventually. Their city council bullied the police department into taking a pay cut a few years ago. It wasn't that times were tight -- They just wanted to push through a tax cut, and they did it on the backs of the police force, slinging accusations that the union's unwillingness to negotiate was causing the problem, when in fact it was the city council members who were causing the problem. If they had left the tax rates alone, there would have been enough money to fully fund the police department payroll at the rates already negotiated in good faith prior to that time. Once a jurisdiction starts down this path of establishing bad faith with public servants, all of the good ones will go elsewhere to find jobs and the ones which are left behind are not going to be the kind of people you want doing those jobs. But hey, at least the folks with the money got their tax breaks!
 
2014-07-22 04:40:23 PM  

Captain Steroid: Detroit police get paid? o_o'


1. Bust drug house.
2. Find 20000 in cash.
3. Declare raid a success, 10000 in drug money off the street.
4. Profit.
 
2014-07-22 05:10:46 PM  
Isn't this the Free Market?
 
2014-07-22 05:11:53 PM  

unyon: FTFA:  "We're not here to steal officers away," he says. "We just want to let the Detroit police officers know that there are other viable opportunities available."


Translation: We're not here to steal officers away, we're here to steal officers away.


Exactly!
 
2014-07-22 05:12:44 PM  
.........it's so..........Unamerican.    and Unwallstreet too.
 
2014-07-22 05:12:52 PM  
Send them to... Oh wait
 
2014-07-22 05:13:45 PM  

Sullyville: Isn't this the Free Market?



not any more, homie.  the Free Market just walked out your door and is headed towards wall street.
 
2014-07-22 05:13:46 PM  
So the citizens of Detroit should form a militia.
 
2014-07-22 05:13:54 PM  
I have it from a good conservative authority that you can entice the best and brightest minds to government service by cutting pay and benefits with a healthy side of union busting.
 
2014-07-22 05:16:10 PM  

Captain Steroid: Detroit police get paid? o_o'


All the free empty houses they could ask for!
 
2014-07-22 05:18:26 PM  

ReverendJynxed: So the citizens of Detroit should form a militia.


So... on a topic that is completely unrelated.  Tell me what you know about how Hitler first got involved in politics.  Make sure to mention anything about impoverished cities and paramilitary organizations that might be relevant.
 
2014-07-22 05:20:23 PM  
Makes sense to me! I've known many people who have moved to pursue better employment, why should cops be any different, especially since it is Detroit?

This, BTW, is part of the problem with police in this country, and it obviously comes from the top down.
"The officers who remain are valuable, battle-tested professionals, says Mark Diaz, head of the Detroit Police Officers Association."

I can understand calling them "experienced, quality, veteran officers', but 'battle-tested'? They are civilians, not soldiers, never forget that, even if it is Detroit...
 
2014-07-22 05:21:04 PM  
And are you thinking of me when you arrest her?
 
2014-07-22 05:21:52 PM  
The empty parts of Detroit need to be demolished. I wouldn't mind seeing some federal money going towards leveling and clearing out the post-apocalyptic areas; put demolition crews to work, reduce the territory that the police and fire departments have to cover, shrink everything down, and let nature take over the demolished areas.

Consolidate Detroit to the landmarks, viable downtown areas, and still-occupied residential areas. Invest in infrastructure and business will come back. Let the city grow back naturally. If it doesn't, at least there isn't a ruinous wasteland.
 
2014-07-22 05:22:01 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: Cape Coral FL is going to have this problem eventually. Their city council bullied the police department into taking a pay cut a few years ago. It wasn't that times were tight -- They just wanted to push through a tax cut, and they did it on the backs of the police force, slinging accusations that the union's unwillingness to negotiate was causing the problem, when in fact it was the city council members who were causing the problem. If they had left the tax rates alone, there would have been enough money to fully fund the police department payroll at the rates already negotiated in good faith prior to that time. Once a jurisdiction starts down this path of establishing bad faith with public servants, all of the good ones will go elsewhere to find jobs and the ones which are left behind are not going to be the kind of people you want doing those jobs. But hey, at least the folks with the money got their tax breaks!


Police depts are all overpaid everywhere. Your town was smart. Sure some of those officers might look for employment in other depts but this is the way things are going to go. Police and Fire Depts have been sucking the public teet for WAY too long. These two groups are the darlings of both side of the political spectrum and NEVER have their benefits cut. Look at Wisconsin when that shiat stain went after public union money etc they exempted the police and fire dept.

In the northeast it is not uncommon to find the highest paid public workers are cops. I hope they have enjoyed all the perks because those are the unsustainable benefits that the politicians are going to have a hard time ignoring as more and more municipalities get squeezed for tax dollars.
 
2014-07-22 05:23:21 PM  

bdub77: Captain Steroid: Detroit police get paid? o_o'

1. Bust drug house.
2. Find 20000 in cash.
3. Declare raid a success, 10000 in drug money off the street.
4. Profit.


For $47000 a year I wouldn't blame them.
 
2014-07-22 05:24:49 PM  

Percise1: Makes sense to me! I've known many people who have moved to pursue better employment, why should cops be any different, especially since it is Detroit?

This, BTW, is part of the problem with police in this country, and it obviously comes from the top down.
"The officers who remain are valuable, battle-tested professionals, says Mark Diaz, head of the Detroit Police Officers Association."

I can understand calling them "experienced, quality, veteran officers', but 'battle-tested'? They are civilians, not soldiers, never forget that, even if it is Detroit...


The BIG issue is this. Detroit paid to train them. It is what usually gets Depts all in a tizzy. You get trained by say the NYPD, you work there a few years maybe, then you take a gig in the suburbs for much more $$$. The suburbs love to get current police as they do not have to pay to train them. Someone else did. That is usually the only thing they biatch about.
 
2014-07-22 05:25:44 PM  
Why, exactly, is it a slap in the face? Do they expect them to stay in an exceptionally dangerous city for shiat pay?

It's not a slap in anyone's face if I quit and get a better job, why is it when cops leave? And leave Detroit, of all places? Not trying to dump on the city, but if I were a cop, that seems like the last place to go...
 
2014-07-22 05:25:53 PM  
When we lost this one account a lot of people I worked with switched over to the new company. My boss was such a cry baby about it. He went on about how hard he worked to let them keep their jobs and that they were no good and would be fired anyways. I wonder why he could only get his church buddies to work for him?
 
2014-07-22 05:26:35 PM  
Oh just wait. It's going to get better.
 
2014-07-22 05:26:37 PM  

kindms: Fark Me To Tears: Cape Coral FL is going to have this problem eventually. Their city council bullied the police department into taking a pay cut a few years ago. It wasn't that times were tight -- They just wanted to push through a tax cut, and they did it on the backs of the police force, slinging accusations that the union's unwillingness to negotiate was causing the problem, when in fact it was the city council members who were causing the problem. If they had left the tax rates alone, there would have been enough money to fully fund the police department payroll at the rates already negotiated in good faith prior to that time. Once a jurisdiction starts down this path of establishing bad faith with public servants, all of the good ones will go elsewhere to find jobs and the ones which are left behind are not going to be the kind of people you want doing those jobs. But hey, at least the folks with the money got their tax breaks!

Police depts are all overpaid everywhere. Your town was smart. Sure some of those officers might look for employment in other depts but this is the way things are going to go. Police and Fire Depts have been sucking the public teet for WAY too long. These two groups are the darlings of both side of the political spectrum and NEVER have their benefits cut. Look at Wisconsin when that shiat stain went after public union money etc they exempted the police and fire dept.

In the northeast it is not uncommon to find the highest paid public workers are cops. I hope they have enjoyed all the perks because those are the unsustainable benefits that the politicians are going to have a hard time ignoring as more and more municipalities get squeezed for tax dollars.




2/10, should have left the firemen out, people like them
 
2014-07-22 05:28:26 PM  
Actually, "slap in the face" is the Houston recruiter's description of how Detroit treats its officers. But don't let that get in the was of your headline, subby.
 
2014-07-22 05:29:18 PM  
We shouldn't let people find better jobs. They should just stay working at entry-level wages forever, never move, and shut up and be happy. Well, not people. Just police officers.
 
2014-07-22 05:29:22 PM  

Stile4aly: And are you thinking of me when you arrest her?


Those cops are definitely not paid enough to go down on someone in a theater
 
2014-07-22 05:32:05 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: Cape Coral FL is going to have this problem eventually. Their city council bullied the police department into taking a pay cut a few years ago. It wasn't that times were tight -- They just wanted to push through a tax cut, and they did it on the backs of the police force, slinging accusations that the union's unwillingness to negotiate was causing the problem, when in fact it was the city council members who were causing the problem. If they had left the tax rates alone, there would have been enough money to fully fund the police department payroll at the rates already negotiated in good faith prior to that time. Once a jurisdiction starts down this path of establishing bad faith with public servants, all of the good ones will go elsewhere to find jobs and the ones which are left behind are not going to be the kind of people you want doing those jobs. But hey, at least the folks with the money got their tax breaks!


Of course, the main problem with Cape Coral is that it was developed as part of a large land scam dating back decades.  The Collier family was given a lot (if not all) of that land which was later sold off told land-scam operators. Cheap housing was the initial draw. When you look at satellite imagery of that county you'll see miles after mile of street that were created for a boom that never happened.
 
2014-07-22 05:32:34 PM  

CruJones: kindms: Fark Me To Tears: Cape Coral FL is going to have this problem eventually. Their city council bullied the police department into taking a pay cut a few years ago. It wasn't that times were tight -- They just wanted to push through a tax cut, and they did it on the backs of the police force, slinging accusations that the union's unwillingness to negotiate was causing the problem, when in fact it was the city council members who were causing the problem. If they had left the tax rates alone, there would have been enough money to fully fund the police department payroll at the rates already negotiated in good faith prior to that time. Once a jurisdiction starts down this path of establishing bad faith with public servants, all of the good ones will go elsewhere to find jobs and the ones which are left behind are not going to be the kind of people you want doing those jobs. But hey, at least the folks with the money got their tax breaks!

Police depts are all overpaid everywhere. Your town was smart. Sure some of those officers might look for employment in other depts but this is the way things are going to go. Police and Fire Depts have been sucking the public teet for WAY too long. These two groups are the darlings of both side of the political spectrum and NEVER have their benefits cut. Look at Wisconsin when that shiat stain went after public union money etc they exempted the police and fire dept.

In the northeast it is not uncommon to find the highest paid public workers are cops. I hope they have enjoyed all the perks because those are the unsustainable benefits that the politicians are going to have a hard time ignoring as more and more municipalities get squeezed for tax dollars.

2/10, should have left the firemen out, people like them


Im not trolling at all. Im dead serious. Police Dept up here are a huge waste of money. They are paying 100K+ to  A LOT of these guys. Retire after 20 years on the job with full benefits and 80% of highest salary while on the job. Its crazy. Same for the fire depts. And it is always that these guys get promoted just before they retire to help that good old tax money flowing to their bank accounts. Its a complete joke.
 
2014-07-22 05:32:57 PM  
Oh no! If they aren't making enough salary, they might open themselves up to corruption. Somebody do something.
 
2014-07-22 05:35:13 PM  

JesusJuice: bdub77: Captain Steroid: Detroit police get paid? o_o'

1. Bust drug house.
2. Find 20000 in cash.
3. Declare raid a success, 10000 in drug money off the street.
4. Profit.

For $47000 a year I wouldn't blame them.


It's pretty good money for some losers who should be flipping burgers for minimum wage.
 
2014-07-22 05:36:10 PM  

kindms: Percise1: Makes sense to me! I've known many people who have moved to pursue better employment, why should cops be any different, especially since it is Detroit?

This, BTW, is part of the problem with police in this country, and it obviously comes from the top down.
"The officers who remain are valuable, battle-tested professionals, says Mark Diaz, head of the Detroit Police Officers Association."

I can understand calling them "experienced, quality, veteran officers', but 'battle-tested'? They are civilians, not soldiers, never forget that, even if it is Detroit...

The BIG issue is this. Detroit paid to train them. It is what usually gets Depts all in a tizzy. You get trained by say the NYPD, you work there a few years maybe, then you take a gig in the suburbs for much more $$$. The suburbs love to get current police as they do not have to pay to train them. Someone else did. That is usually the only thing they biatch about.


But what does that matter? That is exactly how it happens in the private sector as well. It is to be expected and will not change...
 
2014-07-22 05:38:12 PM  

K-jack: Actually, "slap in the face" is the Houston recruiter's description of how Detroit treats its officers. But don't let that get in the was of your headline, subby.


Amen
 
2014-07-22 05:43:23 PM  

meat0918: I have it from a good conservative authority that you can entice the best and brightest minds to government service by cutting pay and benefits with a healthy side of union busting.


Those darn meanie conservatives running Detroit sure are the worst! Harumph!
 
2014-07-22 05:43:39 PM  
How can she slap?!
 
2014-07-22 05:48:29 PM  
Detroit cops = WORTHLESS. Detroit = WORTHLESS.

/'Nuff said.
 
2014-07-22 05:49:08 PM  

Orgasmatron138: The empty parts of Detroit need to be demolished.


The fire department is already on that. "We're sure nobody's inside? There's nowhere for it to spread? Let it burn down."
 
2014-07-22 05:49:14 PM  

kindms: CruJones: kindms: Fark Me To Tears: Cape Coral FL is going to have this problem eventually. Their city council bullied the police department into taking a pay cut a few years ago. It wasn't that times were tight -- They just wanted to push through a tax cut, and they did it on the backs of the police force, slinging accusations that the union's unwillingness to negotiate was causing the problem, when in fact it was the city council members who were causing the problem. If they had left the tax rates alone, there would have been enough money to fully fund the police department payroll at the rates already negotiated in good faith prior to that time. Once a jurisdiction starts down this path of establishing bad faith with public servants, all of the good ones will go elsewhere to find jobs and the ones which are left behind are not going to be the kind of people you want doing those jobs. But hey, at least the folks with the money got their tax breaks!

Police depts are all overpaid everywhere. Your town was smart. Sure some of those officers might look for employment in other depts but this is the way things are going to go. Police and Fire Depts have been sucking the public teet for WAY too long. These two groups are the darlings of both side of the political spectrum and NEVER have their benefits cut. Look at Wisconsin when that shiat stain went after public union money etc they exempted the police and fire dept.

In the northeast it is not uncommon to find the highest paid public workers are cops. I hope they have enjoyed all the perks because those are the unsustainable benefits that the politicians are going to have a hard time ignoring as more and more municipalities get squeezed for tax dollars.

2/10, should have left the firemen out, people like them

Im not trolling at all. Im dead serious. Police Dept up here are a huge waste of money. They are paying 100K+ to  A LOT of these guys. Retire after 20 years on the job with full benefits and 80% of highest sala ...


The average firefighter makes $30k
 
2014-07-22 05:49:29 PM  
Damn, $74,000 in Houston is living large.
 
2014-07-22 05:50:10 PM  

umad: meat0918: I have it from a good conservative authority that you can entice the best and brightest minds to government service by cutting pay and benefits with a healthy side of union busting.

Those darn meanie conservatives running Detroit sure are the worst! Harumph!


Fairy dust, Faygo, and happy thoughts doesn't get the bills paid.
 
2014-07-22 05:50:23 PM  
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2014-07-22 05:51:29 PM  

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Detroit cops = WORTHLESS. Detroit = WORTHLESS.

/'Nuff said.


I kinda like Detroit.

There. I feel better.
 
2014-07-22 05:53:16 PM  

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Detroit cops = WORTHLESS. Detroit = WORTHLESS.

/'Nuff said.


No city in America will improve more than Detroit over the next 15 years.
 
2014-07-22 05:55:16 PM  

Decillion: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Detroit cops = WORTHLESS. Detroit = WORTHLESS.

/'Nuff said.

No city in America will improve more than Detroit over the next 15 years.


When there's no place to go but up.....
 
2014-07-22 05:59:30 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: And yet there are still people trying to say that the problem with Detroit is that the city employees make too much money and have too nice of benefits packages.


$47k + benefits + pension is pretty good for no experience and no college required.

They even over look prior indiscretions of former policemen.
 
2014-07-22 06:02:01 PM  
People shouldn't be free to market their skills and talents? Government should control and allocate where these people work to best serve the collective?

Not against poaching employees but I am pretty sure Detroit , Chicago, all of New Jersey would not be the places I would do my poaching if I was after quality.
 
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