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(Washington Post)   Federal judge throws out US Senator's Obamacare lawsuit, noting that he can't prove he's been hurt by getting help to pay for health insurance and that just believing a law is illegal doesn't make it so   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2014-07-22 11:05:37 AM  
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-22 11:05:43 AM  
just believing a law is illegal doesn't make it so

That judge doesn't understand how the tea party constitution works.
 
2014-07-22 11:08:10 AM  
Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them
 
2014-07-22 11:13:16 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them


Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 
capecodhistory.us

If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.
 
2014-07-22 11:14:26 AM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 


If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.


Feed me. Feed me.
 
2014-07-22 11:17:18 AM  
bigbaddie.com

Knows that feel, Bro!
 
2014-07-22 11:19:18 AM  

bdub77: you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'


*SNERT*

You were already faved but THAT is now yer new Farkie. ^_^
 
2014-07-22 11:21:06 AM  

bdub77: Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him.


As popular as ennui and disaffection is among we internet lurkers, I am certain that none of us ever even rarely approach a level of "not giving a f*ck" that that guy beams every day.  If looking like that isn't a wake-up call, then he is clearly a 10th-degree blackbelt in "f*ck it."
 
2014-07-22 11:26:28 AM  
Johnson expressed disappointment that the lawsuit was dismissed on "the legal technicality of standing" and not its merits.

"Americans increasingly - and correctly - believe that their government in Washington is out of control, out of touch and lawless," he said in a statement. "By its decision today, the court has chosen not to address the important constitutional issues at hand."


"Waaaaaa....how can I stick to this 'lawless' President if you won't entertain my frivolous lawsuit that has no legal merit?!?!"

Probably makes sense if you're a teabagger.
 
2014-07-22 11:30:03 AM  
What strikes me about this is the casual attitude this court (and the appellants) seem to have about this. This is a law which effects north of 10M people. Years of time and money and effort have gone into it. We've had elections entirely about this law, including a Presidential election.

And yet these judges feel comfortable ripping the law up based on a drafting error. What? How activist can you get on a court?

If there was some huge constitutional issue at play here, then I may disagree but at least I would understand the impulse. But a drafting error, and a pretty innocuous one at that?

I'm trying to think of what a liberal equivalent of this ruling would have been. Something like saying the second amendment only applies to actual limbs, since that's the plain meaning of "arms" and there's no reason at all to see what the drafters meant by the words. "If the amendment is just stupid, it's not the court's job to save it."
 
2014-07-22 11:30:46 AM  
Oh wait, this is a thread about a different Obamacare lawsuit.
 
2014-07-22 11:31:31 AM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them
 
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Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him.

 

"You'll never see your junk again!"
 
2014-07-22 11:43:08 AM  
Question for the Fark Law Gurus: Does this in any way suggest whether the standing issue will kill Boehner's Law Suit (tm-RNC) before it gets going?
 
2014-07-22 11:50:52 AM  
The Legislative branch showboating for votes and the judicial branch following ideology over the law has done more to harm American health care than Obamacare ever could. As someone who works for a very large, very well established health care system that covers everything from dentistry to top secret viral research, I can tell you that health care providers are ready and able to deal with changes to the law be it no government intrusion or single payer. They can do either, but not being able to discern WHAT THE FREAKING LAW EVEN IS, is destroying major systems ability to provide healthcare in an efficient manner.

/Yes I realize Obama is guilty of some of this as well.
 
2014-07-22 11:58:17 AM  

Geoff Peterson: The Legislative branch showboating for votes and the judicial branch following ideology over the law has done more to harm American health care than Obamacare ever could. As someone who works for a very large, very well established health care system that covers everything from dentistry to top secret viral research, I can tell you that health care providers are ready and able to deal with changes to the law be it no government intrusion or single payer. They can do either, but not being able to discern WHAT THE FREAKING LAW EVEN IS, is destroying major systems ability to provide healthcare in an efficient manner.

/Yes I realize Obama is guilty of some of this as well.


It's really altogether not that friggin complicated. Many laws are drafted which are large in scope and designed to cover all bases. Just because you can't parse them doesn't mean they aren't good laws.

Same goes with the computer software you're using to write this post. I bet you don't understand a f*cking thing about all the work that goes into making websites like this, the thousands and thousands of lines of code and all the millions of lines of code even behind that, libraries both closed and open source written by thousands of developers. But you use it and it works, right?

In fact I would argue that being a lawyer and a software designer is much the same thing.

/I write rather large software guides for a living, some of the bigger ones are thousands of pages long. And they need to be.
 
2014-07-22 12:41:15 PM  
FTFA: The judge also said Johnson failed to show voters would view him negatively if his staff received subsidized insurance.

I can't possibly believe this is an acceptable legal rationale for anything. If I'm a school board member, I don't think I could get out of a parking ticket by saying my public standing might fall.
 
2014-07-22 01:38:43 PM  
Area Senator passionate defender of what he believes Constitution to be.

/i haz a sad
 
2014-07-22 01:58:11 PM  
Johnson expressed disappointment that the lawsuit was dismissed on "the legal technicality of standing" and not its merits.

Uh...standing is a wee bit more than a legal technicality, dipshiat.
 
2014-07-22 02:08:25 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: The judge also said Johnson failed to show voters would view him negatively if his staff received subsidized insurance.

I can't possibly believe this is an acceptable legal rationale for anything. If I'm a school board member, I don't think I could get out of a parking ticket by saying my public standing might fall.


I'm guessing it was one of those "light most favorable to the movant's opponent" things, ie the government attorneys said "there is no standing here based on voters viewing a Senator negatively", and the Court said "Even if that was a proper basis for standing, the Senator didn't even make a prima facie showing that that was the case."   That's a guess, but the Court should dismiss on narrow grounds if it can.
 
2014-07-22 02:20:02 PM  

tnpir: Johnson expressed disappointment that the lawsuit was dismissed on "the legal technicality of standing" and not its merits.

Uh...standing is a wee bit more than a legal technicality, dipshiat.


I once sued Salma Hayek for not giving me a handy.  The Court dismissed it!  They said I didn't have standing.  Stupid technicalities.  I think it might have had something to do with her being Mexican, but I'm not sure.
 
2014-07-22 02:35:43 PM  
Butthurt is a kind of hurt.
Now sing me "soft kitty"
 
2014-07-22 02:49:10 PM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 
[capecodhistory.us image 500x375]

If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.


"Rolling Rolling Rolling. Keep my fat ass rolling. Ho-veround!"
 
2014-07-22 02:51:48 PM  

bdub77: Geoff Peterson: The Legislative branch showboating for votes and the judicial branch following ideology over the law has done more to harm American health care than Obamacare ever could. As someone who works for a very large, very well established health care system that covers everything from dentistry to top secret viral research, I can tell you that health care providers are ready and able to deal with changes to the law be it no government intrusion or single payer. They can do either, but not being able to discern WHAT THE FREAKING LAW EVEN IS, is destroying major systems ability to provide healthcare in an efficient manner.

/Yes I realize Obama is guilty of some of this as well.

It's really altogether not that friggin complicated. Many laws are drafted which are large in scope and designed to cover all bases. Just because you can't parse them doesn't mean they aren't good laws.

Same goes with the computer software you're using to write this post. I bet you don't understand a f*cking thing about all the work that goes into making websites like this, the thousands and thousands of lines of code and all the millions of lines of code even behind that, libraries both closed and open source written by thousands of developers. But you use it and it works, right?

In fact I would argue that being a lawyer and a software designer is much the same thing.

/I write rather large software guides for a living, some of the bigger ones are thousands of pages long. And they need to be.


Stupid people neve possess the ability to conceive of a person that isn't as stupid as they are. It's a huge cause of their problems.
 
2014-07-22 02:56:42 PM  
Breaking News:
Republican is against the portion of the ACA that Republicans specifically put in there to act as a poison pill.

This is almost like McConnell filibustering himself.
 
2014-07-22 03:00:43 PM  
Area Senator Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines the Constitutions To Be
 
2014-07-22 03:04:02 PM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 
[capecodhistory.us image 500x375]

If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.


"Gotta get to Denny's gotta get to Denny's gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's  gotta get to Denny's"
 
2014-07-22 03:08:37 PM  
Remember that the real take-away from all this is that the deluge of lawsuits against Obamalamacare is proof positive of how horrible the law is.
 
2014-07-22 03:12:33 PM  

Geoff Peterson: Yes I realize Obama is guilty of some of this as well.


hahhahah what
 
2014-07-22 03:12:51 PM  
Sen. Ron Johnson, a Wisconsin Republican, filed the lawsuit in January after the Office of Personnel Management decided months earlier that lawmakers and their staffs should continue to receive health care benefits covering about 75 percent of their premium costs after leaving the health insurance program for federal workers.

Isn't this one more thing that the Derpublicans insisted on, and are now pissed that it came to pass? They were complaining about the Senate being on the federal plan, IIRC, so now that they have what they want, they're suing again?

Or am I remembering and interpreting all of this incorrectly?
 
2014-07-22 03:17:24 PM  
And, the judge said, Johnson could simply avoid the problem by failing to designate any employees as official congressional office staff, a classification that qualifies them for the benefit.

Let's hope he doesn't miss this opportunity to completely fark over his employees.
 
2014-07-22 03:19:39 PM  
fadderly.com
 
2014-07-22 03:23:40 PM  
Chedderheads voted for him because the didn't want liberal Russ fiengold anymore. I honestly think they all regret the decision
 
2014-07-22 03:25:31 PM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 
[capecodhistory.us image 500x375]

If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.


Call out the troops!

static.guim.co.uk
 
2014-07-22 03:27:33 PM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 
[capecodhistory.us image 500x375]

"Hey, fat ass, turn around, you just passed the best ribs"

 
2014-07-22 03:29:31 PM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him.
[capecodhistory.us image 500x375]

If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.


"Send some food down here, motherf*cker, or you and everyone within a ten-block radius is going to find out what happens when you come in contact with an event horizon!!!!"
 
Bf+
2014-07-22 03:31:49 PM  
So...how long did it take to shoot down another "MASSIVE BLOW TO BUMMERCARE"?
Or, more importantly, how long will it take FoxNewz and your crazy libertarian uncle find out?
 
2014-07-22 03:31:55 PM  

JusticeandIndependence: bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him.
[capecodhistory.us image 500x375]

If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.

Call out the troops!

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


Jeez, the Shriners sure have gone downhill.
 
2014-07-22 03:32:20 PM  

maudibjr: bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 
[capecodhistory.us image 500x375]

"Hey, fat ass, turn around, you just passed the best ribs"


You can tell he didn't just come from there, because he's not all covered with sauce.
 
2014-07-22 03:38:40 PM  

Diogenes: Johnson expressed disappointment that the lawsuit was dismissed on "the legal technicality of standing" and not its merits.

"Americans increasingly - and correctly - believe that their government in Washington is out of control, out of touch and lawless," he said in a statement. "By its decision today, the court has chosen not to address the important constitutional issues at hand."

"Waaaaaa....how can I stick to this 'lawless' President if you won't entertain my frivolous lawsuit that has no legal merit?!?!"

Probably makes sense if you're a teabagger.


Ron Johnson, you farking retard. This is the guy who enabled the sexual assault accusations against a state government employee, and he wanted to sue this mythical creature called Obamacare that haunts idiots' dreams. CANNOT WAIT TO VOTE AGAINST THIS ASSCLOWN.
 
2014-07-22 03:42:29 PM  
Just so you all know....if R's win the Senate....very good chance RoJo here will be in charge of Senate Foreign Relations Committee.


Good job Wisconsin you farking morons

/from Green Bay but moved
//how did Feingold lose to this asshat
 
2014-07-22 03:48:01 PM  
Hope he did spend tax payer money on this adventure.
 
2014-07-22 03:51:26 PM  
Melinda Whitemarsh Schnell

"Melinda! Hurry to the white marsh!"
 
2014-07-22 04:02:25 PM  

Diogenes: Johnson expressed disappointment that the lawsuit was dismissed on "the legal technicality of standing" and not its merits.

"Americans increasingly - and correctly - believe that their government in Washington is out of control, out of touch and lawless," he said in a statement. "By its decision today, the court has chosen not to address the important constitutional issues at hand."

"Waaaaaa....how can I stick to this 'lawless' President if you won't entertain my frivolous lawsuit that has no legal merit?!?!"

Probably makes sense if you're a teabagger.


I must have the wrong schedule. I thought he was an incompetent empty suit today and a lawless dictator tomorrow.
 
2014-07-22 04:04:49 PM  

DamnYankees: Oh wait, this is a thread about a different Obamacare lawsuit.


The fact that you can even make that comment is extremely disappointing.
 
2014-07-22 04:17:44 PM  
It's important to remember that Congressional staff ALREADY received subsidized insurance through FEHB. When the healthcare law was passed they made sure to include an amendment that Congress wasn't exempt and had to join the exchanges instead, and as a result. It was decided that because the amendment didn't specify how much the employer contribution should be for Congressional staffers the OPM would pay the equivalent amount for their coverage (which is basically a SHOP plan) as they did before. This dude is arguing that moving them from FEHB to the exchanges means they no longer qualify for employer contributions to their health insurance.

In his mind, I wonder if he thinks Congress will have to make Shared Responsibility Payments once the employer mandate is in place (since their employer now refuses to cover these employees health insurance.)
 
2014-07-22 04:24:16 PM  

quatchi: bdub77: you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'

*SNERT*

You were already faved but THAT is now yer new Farkie. ^_^


Seconded
 
2014-07-22 04:59:05 PM  

bdub77: Peter von Nostrand: Real Americans don't need laws and facts. Just what their gut tells them

Wonder what this guy's gut is telling him. 


If you listen closely you can hear the scooter saying 'kill me kill me kill me'.


You ever heard a NiCad cry?
 
2014-07-22 05:04:05 PM  
Obama lovers = Leeches.
 
2014-07-22 05:13:06 PM  

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Obama lovers = Leeches.


What did you create today?
 
2014-07-22 05:18:47 PM  
Notice how ReTurdlicans despise paying taxes, yet will file a law suit in a heart beat.   paid for by your Friendly Taxpayer.

Small government reTurdlicans.
 
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