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2014-07-22 09:36:30 AM  
Sociopath.
 
2014-07-22 10:30:21 AM  
Only the slow ones!
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-22 11:10:56 AM  
I hope out far right doesn't get any ideas from this.
 
2014-07-22 12:37:40 PM  
As opposed to the moderate wing of the BNP?

/I like the honesty of the BNP compared to UKIP, Front Nationale, and the Tea Party. They don't couch their racism.
 
2014-07-22 12:41:23 PM  
He said the harsh punishment had been handed down due to his activism with the BNP.

Does running over children qualify as BNP activism?
 
2014-07-22 12:44:37 PM  
When we grew up and went to school
There were certain teachers
Who would hurt the children in any way they could
 
2014-07-22 12:54:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: /I like the honesty of the BNP compared to UKIP, Front Nationale, and the Tea Party. They don't couch their racism.


UKIP is not racist. It is merely popular among racists.
 
2014-07-22 01:00:12 PM  
The US isn't the only place where the right wing attracts giant assholes and makes them leaders.
 
2014-07-22 01:11:54 PM  
Just what you would expect rom British National Potato.
 
2014-07-22 01:14:51 PM  
They ban you for that? Wow, England really is the Nanny state. No, wait...that doesn't compute.
 
2014-07-22 01:15:06 PM  
UKIP saying that word..
 
2014-07-22 01:19:00 PM  
As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.
 
2014-07-22 01:21:10 PM  

Hickory-smoked: He said the harsh punishment had been handed down due to his activism with the BNP.

Does running over children qualify as BNP activism?


Not if they were Pakistani children.
 
2014-07-22 01:22:00 PM  

BSABSVR: Hickory-smoked: He said the harsh punishment had been handed down due to his activism with the BNP.

Does running over children qualify as BNP activism?

NotIt does if they were Pakistani children.


/*sigh*
 
2014-07-22 01:46:11 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.


That's 100% backwards. Even Conservatives in Europe think the US Republicans are insane for opposing universal health care.
 
2014-07-22 01:50:29 PM  

Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.

That's 100% backwards. Even Conservatives in Europe think the US Republicans are insane for opposing universal health care.


There was also a joke I heard from a friend in England...

A political science professor at Oxford was giving an introductory lecture about the American system. "In the States," he said, "they have two parties; The Republicans, who are very similar to our Tories, and the Democrats, who are like the Tories."
 
2014-07-22 02:27:30 PM  
Seeing as we have the Tea Party over here, does he belong to a party that takes offense at another nation's drink that is sold at a premium in Britain when it really shouldn't be? Perhaps the Coors Light Party (at five quid a pint in Hampshire)?
 
2014-07-22 02:29:23 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.

That's 100% backwards. Even Conservatives in Europe think the US Republicans are insane for opposing universal health care.

There was also a joke I heard from a friend in England...

A political science professor at Oxford was giving an introductory lecture about the American system. "In the States," he said, "they have two parties; The Republicans, who are very similar to our Tories, and the Democrats, who are like the Tories."


I know in Germany, the CDU(Christian Democratic Union) are their "conservatives," and they are (arguably) more liberal than our Democrats.
 
2014-07-22 02:58:55 PM  
There's not a lot you can say about nationalistic racists.

Except that they look at nationalistic racists from other nations or races to justify their opinions.
 
2014-07-22 03:23:56 PM  

ikanreed: There's not a lot you can say about nationalistic racists.


At least it's an ethos.
 
2014-07-22 04:33:09 PM  

bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.


You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.
 
2014-07-22 05:00:30 PM  

goatan: Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.

That's 100% backwards. Even Conservatives in Europe think the US Republicans are insane for opposing universal health care.

They don't think they are insane they are jealous that the Republicans can get away with it and they wish they could do the same. Just because it would be political suicide doesn't mean they don't want to privatise the NHS and indeed are trying to do so on the quiet.

Also what the fark is Bobo smoking US politics is infamously to the right of European politics. Most European countries got ride off or neutered there ruling dynasties the US is  trying to create them, such as Bush, Clinton, Kennedy.


I think it depends on the country in question and the political faction in question.  Comparing U.S. political parties to Euro political parties is very tricky at best.  You have to look at and compare economic policies, personal liberty policies, etc. etc.  U.K. political parties are fairly similar in some regards to American parties, but that shouldn't be a real surprise considering the founders were English.  Put when you look at Germany, France, Italy, and Spain you get some real differences of opinion on those topics.  There are waaaayyyyy to many differences on these topics that for America to emulate a European progressive/socialist state won't work.  In the end, that's what the battle between American progressives and conservatives is all about.  Obviously I agree with American conservatives, so you know where my biases are.  However, I can't see our liberals going full Euro on us because they know that the public would give them a beatdown.  Taxes is a good example.  So is immigration policy.  If you think our immigration is bad, look at the problems facing some of the European nations.
 
2014-07-22 05:04:09 PM  

DeaH: bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.

You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.


I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.  Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.  Again, it depends on your point of view and biases, but when you start comparing economic policies and the role of government in society, the left actually aligns closer to communist ideals than the right does.
 
2014-07-22 05:10:40 PM  

grumpfuff: Hickory-smoked: Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.

That's 100% backwards. Even Conservatives in Europe think the US Republicans are insane for opposing universal health care.

There was also a joke I heard from a friend in England...

A political science professor at Oxford was giving an introductory lecture about the American system. "In the States," he said, "they have two parties; The Republicans, who are very similar to our Tories, and the Democrats, who are like the Tories."

I know in Germany, the CDU(Christian Democratic Union) are their "conservatives," and they are (arguably) more liberal than our Democrats.


Different nation, different history, different motives.  After WWII, Germany has been very much a liberal nation that believes in a republic.  The reason should be rather obvious, of course.  Compare the conservatives in Germany to the conservatives in France and, assuming they don't try to kill each other, they make German conservatives look like hippies.  French conservatives, depending on the party, make Republicans look like the Rainbow Coalition and make Pat Buchnaan look like George McGovern and G.W. Bush look like Lenin.
 
2014-07-22 05:13:39 PM  

Hickory-smoked: bobothemagnificent: Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.

That's 100% backwards. Even Conservatives in Europe think the US Republicans are insane for opposing universal health care.


That is an example in the differences of opinions on the roles of government, which is a fundamental difference between Euros and Americans.
 
2014-07-22 05:21:56 PM  
bobothemagnificent:
Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.

bwahahahahahahahaha.....

Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha .... gasp .... bwahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahaha....
Wait, you're serious?

/let me laugh harder
// or cry...
 
2014-07-22 05:44:51 PM  

bobothemagnificent: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.

You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.

I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.  Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.  Again, it depends on your point of view and biases, but when you start comparing economic policies and the role of government in society, the left actually aligns closer to communist ideals than the right does.


...What?  Do you really think the Democrats are closer to the old soviet nations than they are to Germany or France?  On what issue do you the Democrats are further left than, say, the left in Germany or France?
 
2014-07-22 06:08:54 PM  
Remember when dildotheinadequate just posted troll pictures in the style of a house-of-bricks or a meatzilla?
 
2014-07-22 06:31:35 PM  

bobothemagnificent: I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.


Sarah Palin thinks God told her to impeach Obama because of reasons.

Our right-wing is nuts.
 
2014-07-22 06:47:11 PM  

bobothemagnificent: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.

You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.

I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.  Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.  Again, it depends on your point of view and biases, but when you start comparing economic policies and the role of government in society, the left actually aligns closer to communist ideals than the right does.


Did you read the linked article? Our right-wing is so far right that they are totally out of ant mainstream Conservative party in Europe.
 
2014-07-22 08:24:01 PM  

DeaH: bobothemagnificent: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.

You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.

I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.  Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.  Again, it depends on your point of view and biases, but when you start comparing economic policies and the role of government in society, the left actually aligns closer to communist ideals than the right does.

Did you read the linked article? Our right-wing is so far right that they are totally out of ant mainstream Conservative party in Europe.


To be fair to his mostly hilariously wrong analysis, while it is true that American politics in the mainstream is much more conservative than European politics, extremist parties tend to gain more support in Europe. So while most Europeans are more liberal than Americans and find Republicans very conservative compared to their mainstream conservative parties, there are more Europeans that actual are neo-Nazis/fascists and the like
 
2014-07-22 09:13:40 PM  

jchuffyman: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.

You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.

I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.  Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.  Again, it depends on your point of view and biases, but when you start comparing economic policies and the role of government in society, the left actually aligns closer to communist ideals than the right does.

Did you read the linked article? Our right-wing is so far right that they are totally out of ant mainstream Conservative party in Europe.

To be fair to his mostly hilariously wrong analysis, while it is true that American politics in the mainstream is much more conservative than European politics, extremist parties tend to gain more support in Europe. So while most Europeans are more liberal than Americans and find Republicans very conservative compared to their mainstream conservative parties, there are more Europeans that actual are neo-Nazis/fascists and the like


To be fair, we have our David Dukes, the Tea Party, Sovereign Citizens, Neo-nazis, Skinheads, Birchers, Domionists, and an entire state that founded as a haven for members of a religion that was revealed to an ex-convict when he wrestled an angel named Moroni. Our cranks get momentum, and they tend to stick around.
 
2014-07-22 09:55:20 PM  

DeaH: jchuffyman: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.

You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.

I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.  Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.  Again, it depends on your point of view and biases, but when you start comparing economic policies and the role of government in society, the left actually aligns closer to communist ideals than the right does.

Did you read the linked article? Our right-wing is so far right that they are totally out of ant mainstream Conservative party in Europe.

To be fair to his mostly hilariously wrong analysis, while it is true that American politics in the mainstream is much more conservative than European politics, extremist parties tend to gain more support in Europe. So while most Europeans are more liberal than Americans and find Republicans very conservative compared to their mainstream conservative parties, there are more Europeans that actual are neo-Nazis/fascists and the like

To be fair, we have our David Dukes, the Tea Party, Sovereign Citizens, Ne ...


Well, considering that I used the word more when talking about extremist support in Europe, I never said that it doesn't exist in the US, so thanks for listing examples? Your examples, with the exception of the Tea Party and the Mormons. have no real mainstream support. And modern Mormonism is hardly any more politically uniform than the Baptists or the Catholics if you actually ask members their opinions. And you could even say that Utah is a minority-majority state in that sense, because there are plenty of people that do not accept Mormonism in mainstream society. Compare that to the BNP and the Greek fascists, who have real power to a greater extent than their American ideological equivalents. Europe is more liberal in general, but when they go right wing, they go hard right wing.
 
2014-07-22 10:14:12 PM  

jchuffyman: DeaH: jchuffyman: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: DeaH: bobothemagnificent: As a teacher, I can kind of sympathize. There are some days where I want to run over my students.  I don't approve of trying to run over your students, but I understand it.  Also keep in mind that the U.S. far right is liberal compared to European politics.  Don't confuse the European liberal and conservative with American liberal and conservative.  According to European standards, we're all left wing lunatics who should show their betters respect and defer to our betters- as in an aristocracy.

You had me for the first couple sentences. Sure, kids can be rotten. Doing, as you point out, is very different than thinking.

But you are wrong about our far rights seeming liberal in Europe. No one, with perhaps the exception of a few former Soviet counties is to the right of our right-wingers.

I disagree with that.  Our right wing is actually closer to a libertarian point of view.  Our left wing is closer to the point of view of the old soviet nations.  The only difference is that our left wing isn't full communist, they still believe in some personal property.  Again, it depends on your point of view and biases, but when you start comparing economic policies and the role of government in society, the left actually aligns closer to communist ideals than the right does.

Did you read the linked article? Our right-wing is so far right that they are totally out of ant mainstream Conservative party in Europe.

To be fair to his mostly hilariously wrong analysis, while it is true that American politics in the mainstream is much more conservative than European politics, extremist parties tend to gain more support in Europe. So while most Europeans are more liberal than Americans and find Republicans very conservative compared to their mainstream conservative parties, there are more Europeans that actual are neo-Nazis/fascists and the like

To be fair, we have our David Dukes, the Tea Party, Sovereign Citize ...


I see your point, I'm just skeptical that we don't have more of it here than you're acknowledging. The governor of Texas is calling out the National Guard on a bunch of child refugees. One of our major parties seems to be trying incredibly hard to put barriers to voting for the "wrong sort."  Here's a description of party:

The party ran a campaign during the national elections of 2012 based on concerns for unemployment, austerity and the economy, as well as virulent anti-immigration rhetoric.

Tell me, is this Golden Dawn or the Republicans?
 
2014-07-22 10:26:52 PM  

jchuffyman: Well, considering that I used the word more when talking about extremist support in Europe, I never said that it doesn't exist in the US, so thanks for listing examples? Your examples, with the exception of the Tea Party and the Mormons. have no real mainstream support. And modern Mormonism is hardly any more politically uniform than the Baptists or the Catholics if you actually ask members their opinions. And you could even say that Utah is a minority-majority state in that sense, because there are plenty of people that do not accept Mormonism in mainstream society. Compare that to the BNP and the Greek fascists, who have real power to a greater extent than their American ideological equivalents. Europe is more liberal in general, but when they go right wing, they go hard right wing.  ...


I think the wide variation you see in Europe is because most of the countries there operate on parlimentary systems, which ends up breeding politics with multiple parties instead of two like we have in the US.  The tiddler parties in Europe can actually wield some real power during the process of government formation, and demand ministerships/policy changes/etc in exchange for their bloc of votes.  So the voters can see the Greens, the UKIP, or even the Greek Fascists getting a real say in what happens in their country---and so they can vote their crazy-ass conscience knowing that they aren't throwing away that vote.

In the US, voting third-party in an election past the state-house level is pissing into the wind.
 
2014-07-22 10:35:55 PM  

Bonzo_1116: jchuffyman: Well, considering that I used the word more when talking about extremist support in Europe, I never said that it doesn't exist in the US, so thanks for listing examples? Your examples, with the exception of the Tea Party and the Mormons. have no real mainstream support. And modern Mormonism is hardly any more politically uniform than the Baptists or the Catholics if you actually ask members their opinions. And you could even say that Utah is a minority-majority state in that sense, because there are plenty of people that do not accept Mormonism in mainstream society. Compare that to the BNP and the Greek fascists, who have real power to a greater extent than their American ideological equivalents. Europe is more liberal in general, but when they go right wing, they go hard right wing.  ...

I think the wide variation you see in Europe is because most of the countries there operate on parlimentary systems, which ends up breeding politics with multiple parties instead of two like we have in the US.  The tiddler parties in Europe can actually wield some real power during the process of government formation, and demand ministerships/policy changes/etc in exchange for their bloc of votes.  So the voters can see the Greens, the UKIP, or even the Greek Fascists getting a real say in what happens in their country---and so they can vote their crazy-ass conscience knowing that they aren't throwing away that vote.

In the US, voting third-party in an election past the state-house level is pissing into the wind.


That is a very good point. I guess I'd have to visit or revisit polls and surveys of popular support for these groups. But before doing that, I guess you could say that the American system kind of negates support for extremism by default, but the center of balance is much more conservative to begin with.
 
2014-07-22 11:32:41 PM  
Liberals make the biggest deal out of small things (like children).
 
2014-07-23 10:19:48 AM  

edmo: Liberals make the biggest deal out of small things (like children).


Arugula, dijon mustard, World Cup soccer ball logo looks like Obama logo, fistbumps, President dyes his hair black to look younger, President dyes his hair gray to look distinguished, the movie Avatar, Sim City 4 promotes socialism, binder clips on documents, Queen of England got an iPod, CNN coverage during an Obama speech was telling people to applaud (it wasn't: it was the Closed Captions reporting what the crowd were doing), TelePrompTer use, Obama's character is better at basketball than McCain's character in NBA Jam, people didn't go to see Obama they went for The Decemberists, IRS targets conservatives (more progressive groups were targeted, info thanks to a FOI Act request), one consulate attack (no mention of the twelve attacks on embassies and consulates 2001-2008), complaining Obama taxed enough already (when not a single red state pays taxes to the amount it reaps in federal funding, and all starting with national protests for Tax Day 2009 ...which was for 2008 taxes), the phrase "stay in school" is indoctrinating the kids   ...says you're a moron.
 
2014-07-23 04:30:37 PM  

Jackpot777: Arugula, dijon mustard, World Cup soccer ball logo looks like Obama logo, fistbumps, President dyes his hair black to look younger, President dyes his hair gray to look distinguished, the movie Avatar, Sim City 4 promotes socialism, binder clips on documents, Queen of England got an iPod, CNN coverage during an Obama speech was telling people to applaud (it wasn't: it was the Closed Captions reporting what the crowd were doing), TelePrompTer use, Obama's character is better at basketball than McCain's character in NBA Jam, people didn't go to see Obama they went for The Decemberists, IRS targets conservatives (more progressive groups were targeted, info thanks to a FOI Act request), one consulate attack (no mention of the twelve attacks on embassies and consulates 2001-2008), complaining Obama taxed enough already (when not a single red state pays taxes to the amount it reaps in federal funding, and all starting with national protests for Tax Day 2009 ...which was for 2008 taxes), the phrase "stay in school" is indoctrinating the kids


57 states, Michelle wants to confiscate your bacon, Umbrellagazi, Hip-Hop BBQ, "You didn't build that," Birth Certificate, NASA turned Muslin, Nuclear Summit logo looks Muslin, Discarded soccer jersey at the border looks Muslin, ACORN...
 
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