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(Dallas News)   Rick Perry: I'm going to send 1,000 guardsmen to help secure the border. Actual sheriffs: Why not just hire 1,000 new deputies who can actually do something other than trying to look scary to some kid running from a drug cartel?   (dallasnews.com) divider line 167
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2014-07-22 08:07:45 AM
Because grandstanding is hard work, and when we need hard work done, it's our citizen soldiers who get called up...
 
2014-07-22 08:19:06 AM
Because that would require the state to take on new jobs, and we can't grow government.
 
2014-07-22 08:54:12 AM
Resurrect Pershing and tell him to stop when he reaches the Panama Canal.
 
2014-07-22 09:30:15 AM
Because those glasses didn't actually make him any smarter.
 
2014-07-22 09:32:05 AM
They estimated the cost of deploying the Guard at $12 million a month - a state obligation that Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and others said they hoped the federal government would eventually reimburse.

Haha, I totally called it yesterday in the other thread.

RexTalionis: The National Guard don't have the ability to fire on anyone, nor do they have the ability to arrest or detain anyone.

They basically can just stand at the border and try to look intimidating to children.

And I bet Rick Perry is going to try to get the Federal Government to pick up the tab for it.
 
2014-07-22 10:12:07 AM
Because it wouldn't make as effective a photo op.
 
2014-07-22 10:12:17 AM
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Hey, he put a lot of thought into this.  He's very smart, too.  You can tell from the glasses.
 
2014-07-22 10:13:33 AM
Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.
 
2014-07-22 10:14:01 AM
rick perry later purchased a bottle of beano and removed the plastic safety wrap such that it looks like he's doing something about his profound flatulence

but investigative reporting has led to rumors of the inner foil remaining pristine
 
2014-07-22 10:14:33 AM
Because you can't unionize the National Guard.
 
2014-07-22 10:14:43 AM
because if there's anything america needs more of it's cops
 
2014-07-22 10:15:14 AM
Not that deploying the NG to the border is useful or does anything, but I can see why they wouldn't want to hire 1,000 more deputies. Salary plus benefits and pension (?) would cost tens of millions of dollars a year (rough math seems around 80 or so). That's a shiat ton of money if you're expecting/hoping the Feds to reimburse you for NG deployment.
 
2014-07-22 10:16:19 AM

redmid17: Salary plus benefits and pension (?) would cost tens of millions of dollars a year (rough math seems around 80 or so)


uh

They estimated the cost of deploying the Guard at $12 million a month

12 * 12 is...tens? at least tens
 
2014-07-22 10:17:03 AM

hubiestubert: Because grandstanding is hard work, and when we need hard work done, it's our citizen soldiers who get called up...


Actually grandstanding is what you do when you're a combination of too lazy and too stupid to effectively legislate or govern from what I've seen.
 
2014-07-22 10:17:59 AM
Because you can't claim you have experience as "commander in chief" if you deploy sheriffs.
 
2014-07-22 10:18:39 AM
Flushing money down the farking toilet is hard work. Don't you people understand this concept??

:/
 
2014-07-22 10:19:42 AM

bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.


But then kids would trek across Central America at great risk to life and limb and try to enter the country so they could get a little high, and we can't be havin' none of that.
 
2014-07-22 10:20:00 AM

bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.


Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.
 
2014-07-22 10:20:33 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Actually grandstanding is what you do when you're a combination of too lazy and too stupid to effectively legislate or govern from what I've seen.


Well, it seems to be the default option for politicians from Texas, so.....
 
2014-07-22 10:21:56 AM

LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.


Incidentally, this is not an argument against legalizing drugs. I'm all for that, and wish we'd done it sooner, so they didn't get that much money and power in the first place (among other reasons) .
 
2014-07-22 10:21:56 AM
Because, Subby, Republicans only want to talk about creating new jobs, not actually create them, that costs money.

Plus, these would be government jobs, which are really anti-jobs if you think about it.  Every government job deprives a wealthy Job Creator from finding a more expensive privatized way to do the same thing.  Without that privatized job there are no middle men, kickbacks, and executive bonuses.  Won't you think of the middle men, kickbacks, and executive bonuses?
 
2014-07-22 10:23:25 AM

LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.


Isn't this what they said about the mafia during Prohibition?
 
2014-07-22 10:23:58 AM
A token action is a type of action.
 
2014-07-22 10:24:37 AM
The Cartels are in Mexico. The Central American kids have to flee into the cartel territory in Mexico in order to flee from its violence.


How did escaping cartel violence become the reason for the immigration?
 
2014-07-22 10:24:53 AM
It's crazy how far the GOP has come. . .  There was a time when they expected Bush to turn the tide on the Hispanic vote, leading to a permanent Republican majority, and only fringe kooks on the right opposed him. . .

I may not be the first to call George W. Bush our first Mexican president, but that's what this guy is. Saying it, is an idea whose time has come. I figure he probably has White House meals catered by a roach coach that plays La Cucaracha on it's horn as it lurches up Pennsylvania Avenue. Maybe the presidential portrait will be done on black velvet.

With the above in mind, it didn't surprise me to hear that Bush wants to cheapen U.S. citizenship by giving some sort of amnesty to millions of his illegal alien amigos. It's the familia thing to do. He's a transparent one, this Bush. He hides the harmful things he is doing to this nation in plain sight. Maybe he figures, as do some thieves, that if you're going to steal something, just do it openly and brazenly enough and maybe no one will notice. Huevos. What Bush is getting ready to steal is our nation and our birthright. He's helping turn European America into Latin America. That's not what the founders of this nation had in mind for this country, and it's not what most Americans have in mind either. Even many people who hesitate to speak harshly of the president will agree that at the very least it appears that Bush doesn't mind screwing up our nation just so long as he gets some Latino votes. Frankly, I think Bush and his pals are miscalculating and may end up on the outside looking in if they pursue this Latino pandering policy much more. Unfortunately, the evil that Bush does will remain even if he's defeated in '04.

I don't care what the polls say right now. They're just skimming the surface and aren't measuring intensity. My guess (and, I've been right more often than not) is that Bush is in trouble politically and that he's going to make it much worse when he grants some sort of amnesty. By granting amnesty--no matter what he calls it or how he tricks it up--Bush will alienate millions of the most active of the active white voters in this country who should, but who won't, be a large part of his voter base.

http://americanpatrol.com/GUESTCOLUMNS/MILLARD/1stMexiPrezBush031228 HM _.html
 
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2014-07-22 10:25:16 AM

LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.


Probably politics.
 
2014-07-22 10:25:54 AM
Texans might want police to do actual police work. Where the guards can guard because its in their name. Its not complicated folks.
 
2014-07-22 10:26:37 AM

Giltric: The Cartels are in Mexico. The Central American kids have to flee into the cartel territory in Mexico in order to flee from its violence.


How did escaping cartel violence become the reason for the immigration?


Regardless, the children still need to be housed, fed and taken care of until they are returned to their home.
 
2014-07-22 10:26:37 AM

Giltric: The Cartels are in Mexico. The Central American kids have to flee into the cartel territory in Mexico in order to flee from its violence.


How did escaping cartel violence become the reason for the immigration?


Cartels are pretty much a threat from Columbia to Mexico and even dabble in some southern US states.
 
2014-07-22 10:26:54 AM

Nadie_AZ: LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.

Isn't this what they said about the mafia during Prohibition?


You do realize that the mafia is still around, yes?
 
2014-07-22 10:28:12 AM

RexTalionis: They estimated the cost of deploying the Guard at $12 million a month - a state obligation that Perry, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst and others said they hoped the federal government would eventually reimburse.

Haha, I totally called it yesterday in the other thread.


Party of small government.
 
2014-07-22 10:29:01 AM

redmid17: Not that deploying the NG to the border is useful or does anything, but I can see why they wouldn't want to hire 1,000 more deputies. Salary plus benefits and pension (?) would cost tens of millions of dollars a year (rough math seems around 80 or so). That's a shiat ton of money if you're expecting/hoping the Feds to reimburse you for NG deployment.



Yes but it's the difference between doing something that is mostly a waste of money and doing something that is a complete waste of money.
 
2014-07-22 10:29:03 AM

LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.


that's fine. Let's legalize drugs first so we're no longer stuffing jails with brown people.
 
2014-07-22 10:29:35 AM
That $12M per month is nothng compared to the Priceless photo of Rick Perry, Masterguard™ of the border, with stern looking soldiers. Poor Rick -- the feds won't let politicians take any pictures with the kids.

Maybe they could catch some puppy smugglers. He could pose with puppies for less than $150M a year.

If only the Iranians were here to solve Perry's photoshop problem.  Better yet, a fact finding trip to Teheran may be just the ticket.
 
2014-07-22 10:29:43 AM

LordJiro: Nadie_AZ: LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.

Isn't this what they said about the mafia during Prohibition?

You do realize that the mafia is still around, yes?


Not nearly as powerful or destructive as they once were though.
 
2014-07-22 10:29:53 AM

HighOnCraic: It's crazy how far the GOP has come. . .  There was a time when they expected Bush to turn the tide on the Hispanic vote, leading to a permanent Republican majority, and only fringe kooks on the right opposed him. . .

I may not be the first to call George W. Bush our first Mexican president, but that's what this guy is. Saying it, is an idea whose time has come. I figure he probably has White House meals catered by a roach coach that plays La Cucaracha on it's horn as it lurches up Pennsylvania Avenue. Maybe the presidential portrait will be done on black velvet.

With the above in mind, it didn't surprise me to hear that Bush wants to cheapen U.S. citizenship by giving some sort of amnesty to millions of his illegal alien amigos. It's the familia thing to do. He's a transparent one, this Bush. He hides the harmful things he is doing to this nation in plain sight. Maybe he figures, as do some thieves, that if you're going to steal something, just do it openly and brazenly enough and maybe no one will notice. Huevos. What Bush is getting ready to steal is our nation and our birthright. He's helping turn European America into Latin America. That's not what the founders of this nation had in mind for this country, and it's not what most Americans have in mind either. Even many people who hesitate to speak harshly of the president will agree that at the very least it appears that Bush doesn't mind screwing up our nation just so long as he gets some Latino votes. Frankly, I think Bush and his pals are miscalculating and may end up on the outside looking in if they pursue this Latino pandering policy much more. Unfortunately, the evil that Bush does will remain even if he's defeated in '04.

I don't care what the polls say right now. They're just skimming the surface and aren't measuring intensity. My guess (and, I've been right more often than not) is that Bush is in trouble politically and that he's going to make it much worse when he grants some sort of amnesty. By granting amnesty--no matter what he calls it or how he tricks it up--Bush will alienate millions of the most active of the active white voters in this country who should, but who won't, be a large part of his voter base.

http://americanpatrol.com/GUESTCOLUMNS/MILLARD/1stMexiPrezBush031228 HM _.html


Well. The name fits
 
2014-07-22 10:30:00 AM

monoski: Cartels are pretty much a threat from Columbia to Mexico and even dabble in some southern US states.


No, drug-fueled organized crime totally respects political borders, duh!
 
2014-07-22 10:30:39 AM
Advisor: "Mr. Perry we need to raise your national visibility."

Perry: "National... National... National Guard!"
 
2014-07-22 10:31:05 AM

monoski: Giltric: The Cartels are in Mexico. The Central American kids have to flee into the cartel territory in Mexico in order to flee from its violence.


How did escaping cartel violence become the reason for the immigration?

Cartels are pretty much a threat from Columbia to Mexico and even dabble in some southern US states.



So are their cartels using this humanitarian crisis to increase their numbers in the US?

Some of the more notorious hitmen for the cartels are teenagers.
 
2014-07-22 10:31:14 AM
I love these guys.

Heard an interview with Marco Rubio on NPR earlier.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/07/22/333767950/rubio-u-s-c an not-admit-all-children-seeking-asylum

Rubio said that even the law regarding Cuban immigrants needs to be modernized in order to reflect changing times. He'd like to see more migrants granted legal status based on job skills, as opposed to giving preference more often to those who have family ties or who are seeking asylum.

"I fully recognize that's how my parents came in 1956, but the country and the economy is fundamentally different than it was 60 years ago," he said, "and our immigration laws have to reflect this."

"I got mine," he added.  "Fark them."
 
2014-07-22 10:31:14 AM

LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.


Like limes and avocados, right? I heard they actually ran an iron ore mine, loaded up a chinese freighter, without government permits and royalties.
 
2014-07-22 10:31:37 AM

LordJiro: Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.


it's not about the higher ups in the cartels, it's about the entire structure that relies upon the illegal nature of drug dealing. you present the idea of a kid being able to work his way up to being scarface, and those kids in shiatty areas will turn to drug dealing as a route to make money far faster than working

take away that route and you directly hit the cartels where it's most important - manpower. were the drug market to tank, cartels would have serious issues maintaining the huge numbers of thugs required to do what they do. they'd fade drastically just like the mafia post prohibition - and the main way the mafia propped themselves up was by switching over into drugs, gambling, or prostitution, all crimes that should be legalized

LordJiro: You do realize that the mafia is still around, yes?


why do you feel the need to be purposely obtuse here
 
2014-07-22 10:32:39 AM

wildcardjack: Like limes and avocados, right?


If you give me a choice between cocaine and guacamole, I'm going with the guac every time.
 
2014-07-22 10:34:24 AM
does federal pay for national guard?
 
2014-07-22 10:34:53 AM

bigsteve3OOO: LordJiro: Nadie_AZ: LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.

Isn't this what they said about the mafia during Prohibition?

You do realize that the mafia is still around, yes?

Not nearly as powerful or destructive as they once were though.


True, but that still won't happen overnight. Again, these groups are stronger than many actual countries; they won't go quietly.
 
2014-07-22 10:35:47 AM

LordJiro: The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.

The only thing the cartels don't have is a fawning international press. They really need Putin as a consultant.
 
2014-07-22 10:35:55 AM

LordJiro: Nadie_AZ: LordJiro: bigsteve3OOO: Or we could legalize drugs and put the cartels out of business overnight.

Not likely. The cartels simply have too much money and power (seriously, they've got more money/firepower than a lot of actual nations) to disappear like that. They'll find some other product or niche.

Isn't this what they said about the mafia during Prohibition?

You do realize that the mafia is still around, yes?


I think that was Nadie's point.
 
2014-07-22 10:36:39 AM

sprawl15: were the drug market to tank, cartels would have serious issues maintaining the huge numbers of thugs required to do what they do. they'd fade drastically just like the mafia post prohibition - and the main way the mafia propped themselves up was by switching over into drugs, gambling, or prostitution, all crimes that should be legalized


So, the solution to illegal gangs is to make them legal gangs.

Logic.
 
2014-07-22 10:38:02 AM
FTA: "Sen. Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa, D-McAllen, who represents the border area, said if crime were a reason to call out the National Guard, then based on statistics, the troops would be better sent to Dallas and Houston. "

Oh Snap!
 
2014-07-22 10:41:08 AM

DayeOfJustice: FTA: "Sen. Juan "Chuy" Hinojosa, D-McAllen, who represents the border area, said if crime were a reason to call out the National Guard, then based on statistics, the troops would be better sent to Dallas and Houston. "

Oh Snap!


Or Austin, to the Special Crimes guys who investigate the Capitol infestation, political corruption. That's the unit that Perry vetoed for funding, a most unusual veto.
 
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