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(The Atlantic)   A look at why anti-Health Care Reform act advertisements actually increased enrollment in the Health Care Reform plans. No, it's not "Obamacare;" stop calling it that. The moment is over   (theatlantic.com ) divider line 101
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2014-07-22 09:45:59 AM  
Fark you, subby. Republicans wanted it to be known as Obamacare. I'm just fulfilling their wishes by continuing to call it Obamacare until the day my corpse is rotting.
 
2014-07-22 10:02:34 AM  
I hate calling it Health Care Reform, simply because when you shorten it to HCR it confuses me as its the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

ACA or Obamacare. Easy.
 
2014-07-22 10:07:30 AM  
By 2016 the house will have passed a bill to rename it "the Ronald Reagan healthcare Reform Act" or just Reagancare for short.
 
2014-07-22 10:22:37 AM  

gilgigamesh: By 2016 the house will have passed a bill to rename it "the Ronald Reagan healthcare Reform Act" or just Reagancare for short.


Seriously though, when we get around to single payer, we should totally call it Reagancare from the get-go, just to rub the socialisms in.
 
2014-07-22 10:23:24 AM  

DamnYankees: I hate calling it Health Care Reform, simply because when you shorten it to HCR it confuses me as its the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

ACA or Obamacare. Easy.


It is "ObamaCare" according to Conservapedia for some reason.
 
2014-07-22 11:06:29 AM  

incendi: gilgigamesh: By 2016 the house will have passed a bill to rename it "the Ronald Reagan healthcare Reform Act" or just Reagancare for short.

Seriously though, when we get around to single payer, we should totally call it Reagancare from the get-go, just to rub the socialisms in.


Nah.  By then, you'll simply call it "going to my doctor's appointment", like most of us in the civilized world do.
 
2014-07-22 11:16:46 AM  
No, it's not "Obamacare;" stop calling it that. The moment is over

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2014-07-22 11:17:08 AM  

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I hate calling it Health Care Reform, simply because when you shorten it to HCR it confuses me as its the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

ACA or Obamacare. Easy.

It is "ObamaCare" according to Conservapedia for some reason.


Conservatives like camel case.
 
2014-07-22 11:18:17 AM  
It's Obamacare.

The Republicans do not have a Ministry of Truth

//Truthiness on the other hand.....
 
2014-07-22 11:18:23 AM  
Obama calls it Obamacare, for now
 
2014-07-22 11:19:15 AM  
compared states' per-capita ad spending with their enrollment rates, and found that it was often the case that the more money spent on anti-ACA ads, the more Americans signed up for coverage

there's more poor people in the red states where these ads would be running and the poor people were able to sign up for health insurance with subsidies or they qualified for the medicaid expansion, that probably has more to do with it than the actual ads making people sign up.
 
2014-07-22 11:20:43 AM  
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.
 
2014-07-22 11:21:59 AM  
I'm still callin' it Fartcare and you can't do nuthin about it!
 
2014-07-22 11:22:52 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.


Why are you happy about increasing suffering and misery in America?
 
2014-07-22 11:23:26 AM  
It will be interesting to see how many candidates run on the "promise to take away your ObamaCare" platform this time.
 
2014-07-22 11:23:50 AM  
Today everyone learns what "en Banc" means and pretends to have known it for years.
 
2014-07-22 11:24:12 AM  

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I hate calling it Health Care Reform, simply because when you shorten it to HCR it confuses me as its the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

ACA or Obamacare. Easy.

It is "ObamaCare" according to Conservapedia for some reason.




http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/barack-obama-obamacare-103589.h t ml
 
2014-07-22 11:25:35 AM  

LarryDan43: It will be interesting to see how many candidates run on the "promise to take away your ObamaCare" platform this time.


I have every faith that the GOP will have a plan to put in place to replace it.  And it must be a doozy of one....they've been working so hard on it for so many years about it that they haven't had time to tell us anything about it!
 
2014-07-22 11:25:42 AM  
As long as they call it Obamacare I will call them Tea Baggers.
 
2014-07-22 11:26:12 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.


Until you learn what "en Banc" means anyway.
 
2014-07-22 11:26:45 AM  

gilgigamesh: By 2016 the house will have passed a bill to rename it "the Ronald Reagan healthcare Reform Act" or just Reagancare for short.


I've said this before but no, this isn't what is going to happen. What's going to happen is that absolutely every problem anyone has with their health care will be blamed on Obamacare. Had to wait in the office for a while for your annual checkup? It's because of that goddamned Obamacare. Had to fight with the insurance company over an expense? It's because of that goddamned Obamacare. Had a bad reaction to a prescription? It's because of that goddamned Obamacare.

Eventually that will fade a bit and they'll just say the whole problem with our health care system is it's too socialist, even though the ACA was the market-based solution they proposed in the first place.
 
2014-07-22 11:27:09 AM  

LarryDan43: It will be interesting to see how many candidates run on the "promise to take away your ObamaCare" platform this time.


Probably all of them.

Remember, the poor, stupid people that benefit from ObamaCare are, well, stupid. They will continue to vote against their own interests, as long as Obama refuses to stop being black.
 
2014-07-22 11:28:42 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: User:Conservatives likes camel case.



Let's be honest, when one user has half the edits on a wiki, we can idetify their stupidity finger-prints on a given bizarre piece of nonsense.

//Let's edit for 35 hours straight about how obesity and atheism are related.  That's sane.
 
2014-07-22 11:28:45 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Until you learn what "en Banc" means anyway.


it means 'the bank', right?
 
2014-07-22 11:29:41 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.


Not quite. The states could set up their own exchanges. They do that, you know, in states that aren't run by lawless federal Republicans.
 
2014-07-22 11:31:50 AM  

ikanreed: HMS_Blinkin: User:Conservatives likes camel case.


Let's be honest, when one user has half the edits on a wiki, we can idetify their stupidity finger-prints on a given bizarre piece of nonsense.

//Let's edit for 35 hours straight about how obesity and atheism are related.  That's sane.


Wait, is that really true?  I knew that Conservapedia had a small user base, but I didn't realize that one guy was responsible for half of that "content."  Holy crap.
 
2014-07-22 11:32:58 AM  

sprawl15: JolobinSmokin: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Until you learn what "en Banc" means anyway.

it means 'the bank', right?


Spanish for "in banc."
 
2014-07-22 11:34:48 AM  

meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Why are you happy about increasing suffering and misery in America?


I hate the way the whole medical insurance system is set up.  You wouldn't file a claim for an oil change.  Why do the same for a routine checkup?  No wonder everything is so damned expensive.  

Now with the government involved they can use it as a weapon like they do the tax system.  You farkers that support this are the assholes that keep giving the politicians the power to divide us.
 
2014-07-22 11:35:51 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: ikanreed: HMS_Blinkin: User:Conservatives likes camel case.


Let's be honest, when one user has half the edits on a wiki, we can idetify their stupidity finger-prints on a given bizarre piece of nonsense.

//Let's edit for 35 hours straight about how obesity and atheism are related.  That's sane.

Wait, is that really true?  I knew that Conservapedia had a small user base, but I didn't realize that one guy was responsible for half of that "content."  Holy crap.


Andy Schaffly, the owner, is responsible for another 20ish%.  It's worth noting that the two of them ban virtually everyone on the basis of not being conservative enough.

//It's like watching a train wreck, that's why I know about this stuff.
 
2014-07-22 11:37:12 AM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: sprawl15: JolobinSmokin: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Until you learn what "en Banc" means anyway.

it means 'the bank', right?

Spanish for "in banc."


"donde esta my moolah"

"en banc"
 
2014-07-22 11:37:59 AM  

SauronWasFramed: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I hate calling it Health Care Reform, simply because when you shorten it to HCR it confuses me as its the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

ACA or Obamacare. Easy.

It is "ObamaCare" according to Conservapedia for some reason.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/barack-obama-obamacare-103589.h t ml


The article doesn't speak to the capital "C" which Conservapedia seems to assist upon.
 
2014-07-22 11:39:11 AM  
Actually there's a headline just today about a federal court striking down a provision of ACA, and the headline uses the name "Obamacare."

Imagine if the Iraq Murder Party had been referred to in headlines by the MSM as "Bushwar."  Imagine the howls of outrage.

18 Die in Attack on U.S. Base in Bushwar

$20 Billion in Cash on Pallets Disappears in Bushwar

Soldiers Electrocuted in Shoddy Conctractor Showers in Bushwar
 
2014-07-22 11:39:13 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Why are you happy about increasing suffering and misery in America?

I hate the way the whole medical insurance system is set up.  You wouldn't file a claim for an oil change.  Why do the same for a routine checkup?  No wonder everything is so damned expensive.  

Now with the government involved they can use it as a weapon like they do the tax system.  You farkers that support this are the assholes that keep giving the politicians the power to divide us.


Jeez, it's almost like you don't like the system the free market devised, and are trying to verbally structure that deeply flawed system in such a way as to somehow blame the government.

//This was not the best solution, but you farkers called good ideas "communism".
 
2014-07-22 11:41:30 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Why are you happy about increasing suffering and misery in America?

I hate the way the whole medical insurance system is set up.  You wouldn't file a claim for an oil change.  Why do the same for a routine checkup?  No wonder everything is so damned expensive.  

Now with the government involved they can use it as a weapon like they do the tax system.  You farkers that support this are the assholes that keep giving the politicians the power to divide us.


Holy crap you are an idiot.

Do you really think that the "free market" is going to solve the problems with health care in this country? Do you really think that if people simply started paying CASH for health care that the prices would drop?

There is a whole lot more going on with health care than you seem to realize. It's not that simple. Not at all. There is a REASON that most of the rest of the Western world has moved to socialized medicine. It's the only thing that works in any kind of humane way. Health care doesn't follow the normal rules of "the market".
 
2014-07-22 11:41:54 AM  

meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Why are you happy about increasing suffering and misery in America?


He's probably on Medicare.
 
2014-07-22 11:43:02 AM  

Kibbler: Actually there's a headline just today about a federal court striking down a provision of ACA, and the headline uses the name "Obamacare."

Imagine if the Iraq Murder Party had been referred to in headlines by the MSM as "Bushwar."  Imagine the howls of outrage.

18 Die in Attack on U.S. Base in Bushwar

$20 Billion in Cash on Pallets Disappears in Bushwar

Soldiers Electrocuted in Shoddy Conctractor Showers in Bushwar


Yeah, that'd be pretty terrible, but a more important question arises.

Why do you hate are troops?
 
2014-07-22 11:44:04 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: You farkers that support this are the assholes that keep giving the politicians the power to divide us.


Well at least you see that clearly and reject division.
 
2014-07-22 11:44:40 AM  

JolobinSmokin: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Until you learn what "en Banc" means anyway.



That sounds pretty frenchy.  You better Freedom it up.
 
2014-07-22 11:46:28 AM  

sprawl15: Jaden Smith First of His Name: sprawl15: JolobinSmokin: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Until you learn what "en Banc" means anyway.

it means 'the bank', right?

Spanish for "in banc."

"donde esta my moolah"

"en banc"


Donde' esta fallo completo?

Estamos en todal la cancha, porque siete tu cuatro.
 
2014-07-22 11:47:47 AM  
In a little while from now, we will be referring to it in the past tense.

Federal appeals court just ruled against the legality of some subsidies issued to people through the Obamacare exchanges.
 
2014-07-22 11:50:00 AM  
As someone who supports it, a big reason it's still called Obamacare is Obama's administration.  Before the Supreme Court case they referred to it as the ACA all the time.  Media tried to push OBamacare but it was at least mixed Obamacare/ACA.  After the government won the Supreme Court case, the administration started calling it Obamacare too, almost as a "fark you" to Republicans.  Now it will never go away.
 
2014-07-22 11:51:27 AM  

karnal: In a little while from now, we will be referring to it in the past tense.

Federal appeals court just ruled against the legality of some subsidies issued to people through the Obamacare exchanges.


A little while?  Care to be more precise so we can know exactly when you are wrong.
 
2014-07-22 11:51:38 AM  

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I hate calling it Health Care Reform, simply because when you shorten it to HCR it confuses me as its the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

ACA or Obamacare. Easy.

It is "ObamaCare" according to Conservapedia for some reason.


And once the ACA becomes popular, it will have been "GOPcare" the whole time. We've always been at war with Eurasia.
 
2014-07-22 11:53:38 AM  

ikanreed: Jeez, it's almost like you don't like the system the free market devised, and are trying to verbally structure that deeply flawed system in such a way as to somehow blame the government.


The free market didn't "devise" the system of employer based coverage.  It's the product of the way the tax system was implemented (providing tax incentives to both employers and employees to provide as much compensation as possible in the form of tax free benefits) and WW2 era laws that froze wages but not benefits, which again created a strong incentive to increase compensation through benefits (which were not subject to the wage freeze).

Under a free market system, there would still be some benefits to employer provided (or union provided) coverage, because insuring a large pool of people reduces risk to the insurer, which means large groups have more bargaining power with an insurer.  Also, insuring people who are healthy enough to work is less risky than insuring a random sample of people, again providing a bargaining advantage to large groups of workers, whether represented by an employer or a union.

But the tax system we have creates unusually large incentives for employers and employees to get coverage through their employer, which is the real reason we have the system we do.  If we had removed the tax subsidies for employer coverage, you would naturally have seen more people moving into other types of health coverage.

And today, any insurance plan that doesn't cover routine health care would be illegal (or subject to tax penalties, if you prefer) under the ACA.  So claiming that the "free market" disfavors such plans is disingenuous, at best. Some people would have employer provided insurance in a free market.  But it would never have become the dominant method of providing coverage without government interference in the market.

90% of what government regulation does is fix problems created by government regulations.
 
2014-07-22 11:54:16 AM  

Baz744: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I hate calling it Health Care Reform, simply because when you shorten it to HCR it confuses me as its the same initials as Hillary Rodham Clinton.

ACA or Obamacare. Easy.

It is "ObamaCare" according to Conservapedia for some reason.

And once the ACA becomes popular, it will have been "GOPcare" the whole time. We've always been at war with Eurasia.


I don't think so. Social Security and Medicare are both wildly popular but that hasn't stopped Republicans from trying to destroy them.
 
2014-07-22 11:55:56 AM  

Talondel: ikanreed: Jeez, it's almost like you don't like the system the free market devised, and are trying to verbally structure that deeply flawed system in such a way as to somehow blame the government.

The free market didn't "devise" the system of employer based coverage.  It's the product of the way the tax system was implemented (providing tax incentives to both employers and employees to provide as much compensation as possible in the form of tax free benefits) and WW2 era laws that froze wages but not benefits, which again created a strong incentive to increase compensation through benefits (which were not subject to the wage freeze).

Under a free market system, there would still be some benefits to employer provided (or union provided) coverage, because insuring a large pool of people reduces risk to the insurer, which means large groups have more bargaining power with an insurer.  Also, insuring people who are healthy enough to work is less risky than insuring a random sample of people, again providing a bargaining advantage to large groups of workers, whether represented by an employer or a union.

But the tax system we have creates unusually large incentives for employers and employees to get coverage through their employer, which is the real reason we have the system we do.  If we had removed the tax subsidies for employer coverage, you would naturally have seen more people moving into other types of health coverage.

And today, any insurance plan that doesn't cover routine health care would be illegal (or subject to tax penalties, if you prefer) under the ACA.  So claiming that the "free market" disfavors such plans is disingenuous, at best. Some people would have employer provided insurance in a free market.  But it would never have become the dominant method of providing coverage without government interference in the market.

90% of what government regulation does is fix problems created by government regulations.


"If you just completely restructured everything about governance to fit my utterly simplistic ideology, I'm sure we wouldn't have had any troubles"
 
2014-07-22 11:56:15 AM  
Smeggy Smurf:
Now with the government involved they can use it as a weapon like they do the tax system.  You farkers that support this are the assholes that keep giving the politicians the power to divide us.

I like how you call supporters assholes. That is not divisive. Nope.
 
2014-07-22 11:57:36 AM  

realmolo: Do you really think that the "free market" is going to solve the problems with health care in this country? Do you really think that if people simply started paying CASH for health care that the prices would drop?


Yes.

There are parts of the health care system where free markets don't work. Emergency care.  End of life care.  Catastrophic illnesses.  Etc.  Those are all things that where it probably makes sense to socialize the costs.  Because markets simply won't work.

But you're taking that argument and trying to extend it to cover things like routine doctor visits, health maintenance, etc.  There is no reason to think that the market can't provide those things.

The smart answer would be to socialize the parts that need to be socialized and let markets deal with the rest.  But unfortunately in this country there are two "sides" to the issue, and people care more about seeing their side win than they do about implementing what economics tell us about allocating scarce resources.
 
2014-07-22 11:57:43 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: meat0918: Smeggy Smurf: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101819065

A court ruled today that almost all of the subsidies are illegal.  Yet another part of the fantasy falls apart.

Why are you happy about increasing suffering and misery in America?

I hate the way the whole medical insurance system is set up.  You wouldn't file a claim for an oil change.  Why do the same for a routine checkup?  No wonder everything is so damned expensive.  

Now with the government involved they can use it as a weapon like they do the tax system.  You farkers that support this are the assholes that keep giving the politicians the power to divide us.


First thing to ask..... are you still using talking points from 2010?

The Government is not especially involved here. They did NOT nationalize your local hospital. They didn't even nationalize the insurance industry. They pretty much just set up a web site and changes to the tax code. It's 2014 now. Everybody already knows that the Government isn't in your healthcare.

Secondly..... You don't understand the reason for health insurance?

Did you know that some things that the health care system does can cost thousands of dollars? You do NOT need insurance for regular checkups. My doctor charges $70 for them if you have no insurance. There can be extra charges tacked on, however, if you come down with a case of cancer, or something similar.
 
2014-07-22 12:01:09 PM  

Talondel: Under a free market system


inability to pay would result in DEATH

/and before but but but charity churches etc. those aren't free market either and history shows they didn't work well
 
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