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(The Atlantic)   The original Tea Partiers: How GOP insurgents invented progressivism (a century ago)   (theatlantic.com) divider line 25
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2014-07-22 09:49:59 AM
FTFA: It did not occur to people to call the two sides progressive and conservative. Americans did not yet associate these words with politics. Instead, journalists reached back to an earlier Republican split from the days of Ulysses S. Grant. They called the Republican bosses and their supporters "Stalwarts" because of their fealty to tradition. They called La Follette and his allies "Half-Breeds" as in half-Republican.

Long.

Did read.

Interesting story and well told to boot.

While set a while back the tale it tells of systemic corruption caused by corporate over-influence on the political process has strong resonance today. Sadly enough.

My main thought while reading that was that it would make a hell of a good movie.
 
2014-07-22 10:48:41 AM
Umm, I thought the original tea partiers were from roughly 240 years ago?  That's nearly two and a half centuries.
 
2014-07-22 11:30:14 AM

quatchi: FTFA: It did not occur to people to call the two sides progressive and conservative. Americans did not yet associate these words with politics. Instead, journalists reached back to an earlier Republican split from the days of Ulysses S. Grant. They called the Republican bosses and their supporters "Stalwarts" because of their fealty to tradition. They called La Follette and his allies "Half-Breeds" as in half-Republican.

Long.

Did read.

Interesting story and well told to boot.

While set a while back the tale it tells of systemic corruption caused by corporate over-influence on the political process has strong resonance today. Sadly enough.

My main thought while reading that was that it would make a hell of a good movie.


What's funny is how the parties change over time, GOP:
Lincoln freed the SLAVES!!
Progressives had some power
conservatives fought back
southern democrats left to join the GOP
the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change
Toss in the Teahadists bonding with the GOP and they will be stuck politically for at least two generations.

I should probably read something about how the democrats became the progressives and liberals.
Stupid work
 
2014-07-22 01:01:50 PM
They called La Follette and his allies "Half-Breeds" as in half-Republican.

aka RINO.
 
2014-07-22 01:05:07 PM

namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change


I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).
 
2014-07-22 01:13:21 PM

Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).


Since the 90s I've only seen them get more conservative to a point where they are almost off of the measure.  Assuming it is not a continuum I don't see where they will end up.
 
2014-07-22 01:15:20 PM

Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).


WHY? There seems to be no political advantage for anyone in the GOP to run as a progressive except MAYBE in the general election for president and that still would be hard.
 
2014-07-22 01:15:43 PM

DarkLancelot: Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).

Since the 90s I've only seen them get more conservative to a point where they are almost off of the measure.  Assuming it is not a continuum I don't see where they will end up.


Clinton has pushed both parties to the right. One of them will break left and I'm not sure it'll be the Democrats.

No one could have ever believed, back in the 1940s and 50s, that the Dems would shift left. Yet they did.
 
2014-07-22 01:18:28 PM
Wonderful to see an article talking about journalists who actually made a difference through professional, thorough pieces.

When did all of that die out?

/how about Murdoch and other huge chains swallowing up every little entity
/http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1883345,00.htm l
/what a waste
 
2014-07-22 01:33:00 PM

DarkLancelot: Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).

Since the 90s I've only seen them get more conservative to a point where they are almost off of the measure.  Assuming it is not a continuum I don't see where they will end up.


Fascist Theocracy
 
2014-07-22 01:35:18 PM

Corvus: Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).

WHY? There seems to be no political advantage for anyone in the GOP to run as a progressive except MAYBE in the general election for president and that still would be hard.


The Democrats are enjoying having it both ways: being corporate toadies while appealing to the people who aren't insane enough to be Republicans. Liberals know that the Democratic Party doesn't do a whole lot for liberals, but as it stands right now liberals have no other party to gravitate to. It's better to vote for a party that pays lip service to ideals instead of voting for a party that actively works against those same ideals.

If the Republican Party revamped itself. that could change.
 
2014-07-22 01:41:17 PM

Nadie_AZ: DarkLancelot: Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).

Since the 90s I've only seen them get more conservative to a point where they are almost off of the measure.  Assuming it is not a continuum I don't see where they will end up.

Clinton has pushed both parties to the right. One of them will break left and I'm not sure it'll be the Democrats.

No one could have ever believed, back in the 1940s and 50s, that the Dems would shift left. Yet they did.


Clinton moved to the middle, the GOP was left with fighting in the middle or moving to the batshiat far right.
Now that Obama firmly staked the DEMS in the center, the only place left for the GOP is even further RIGHT!!

lol
/the left can go fark themselves. we lost floriduh in 2000 because they voted for that nader moran ...
 
2014-07-22 01:55:52 PM

DeArmondVI: DarkLancelot: Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).

Since the 90s I've only seen them get more conservative to a point where they are almost off of the measure.  Assuming it is not a continuum I don't see where they will end up.

Fascist Theocracy


That is my worry.
 
2014-07-22 01:58:12 PM

DeArmondVI: DarkLancelot: Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).

Since the 90s I've only seen them get more conservative to a point where they are almost off of the measure.  Assuming it is not a continuum I don't see where they will end up.

Fascist Theocracy


WOW
that link just made my day
seriously
thank you !!

The right would KILL for a theocracy, and all theocracies are fascist.
 
2014-07-22 02:08:41 PM
I don't give a flying fark what you think your philosphical forbears thought, a century ago.

I only care about what you're doing now. And that ain't it.
 
2014-07-22 02:10:18 PM
The "original Tea Parties" in terms of low information, isolationist, right wing theocrats was first the Anti-Masonic Party, followed by the American Party (aka the Know Nothing Party) and finally the John Birch Society.  It's all the same stupid shiat and it's been going on a long time.
 
2014-07-22 02:52:46 PM
The GOP invented progressivism in much the same way that Hillary supporters invented the birthers. They got their start among these groups, and you can even trace the history back without too much trouble, but the contemporary version does not bear much resemblance to the original.
 
2014-07-22 03:15:31 PM

Nadie_AZ: DarkLancelot: Nadie_AZ: namatad: the GOP is now CONSERVATIVE and unlikely to ever change

I actually think they are going to flip sides again in the coming decade (or two).

Since the 90s I've only seen them get more conservative to a point where they are almost off of the measure.  Assuming it is not a continuum I don't see where they will end up.

Clinton has pushed both parties to the right. One of them will break left and I'm not sure it'll be the Democrats.

No one could have ever believed, back in the 1940s and 50s, that the Dems would shift left. Yet they did.


Some people would argue that there was a shift to the left among the Democrats in the 30s, when FDR decided to try something new. Deal with it!

/See also:  a small amount of progress in civil rights, which caused some Southern conservatives to try to force FDR off the ballot in '44.
//They failed:   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Regulars
///See also: Hubert Humphrey at the Democratic National Convention in '48.
 
2014-07-22 05:26:24 PM
Yeah, that's great. The GOP saw an opportunity and abandoned progressive principles in favor of the Southern Strategy to court voters enraged by the Civil Rights Act. The racists ran to warm loving embrace of the GOP where they have been ever since.
 
2014-07-22 05:51:09 PM

starsrift: I don't give a flying fark what you think your philosphical forbears thought, a century ago.

I only care about what you're doing now. And that ain't it.


I have a Muslim Islamic Studies prof who regularly says this to other Muslims who brag about how "Islam" invented math and science and all that. He's like, "Great, you know, after a few centuries that kind of falls off the radar. What are we all up to NOW?"
 
2014-07-22 05:59:26 PM
Well the "Original" tea party political party was Andrew Jackson's grassroots party (the brand-new Democrats) rising up to take power away from the elitist Federalist party and his former party, the Democratic-Republicans (which renamed itself "Whig" in opposition to Jackson).  Jackson was hard-right on everything, so far to the right that he'd make Rush Limbaugh blush.  The trail of tears was one of his proudest moments, and he beat Cheney to the whole "shooting a man while in power" thing, only Jackson did it on purpose.  He ended up being largely responsible for why the 1800s sucked so much, and now he's on the $20 bill.  Yay?
 
2014-07-22 06:12:19 PM
 
2014-07-22 06:29:24 PM
Wrong. The original Tea Partiers were a bunch of Bostonians who dressed like the native tribesfolk and THREW A BUNCH OF TEA INTO THE FRIKKIN HAHBAH!

/Boston reprasen'!
 
2014-07-22 07:33:39 PM
The Sons of liberty were the first tea partiers. Sam Adams and John Hancock was the like the Koch brothers


This article is related to the Jackson comment above
 
2014-07-22 07:42:48 PM
TLDR the GOP was only worth anything as a political party when they were the bastions of liberal thought and policy, history has always looked poorly upon conservatism.
 
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