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(Deadspin)   Bad: Yankees make 5 errors. Worse: 3 by the pitcher. FARK: Twice throwing to 1st base   (deadspin.com) divider line 36
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2014-07-22 12:53:32 PM  
Bob Brenly says "Hello."
 
2014-07-22 12:59:17 PM  
When did Chuck Knoblauch become a pitcher?
 
2014-07-22 01:56:52 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-22 01:59:55 PM  
That's one way of keeping your ERA low...
 
2014-07-22 02:02:58 PM  
..and against the current worst team in the game, the Rangers
 
2014-07-22 02:03:30 PM  

Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 335x331]


Keep posting that, Mets fan.
thephilliesblunt.com
 
2014-07-22 02:03:59 PM  

Arkanaut: That's one way of keeping your ERA low...


I hate that stat. Runs scored on an error by a pitcher should count against their E.R.A.
 
2014-07-22 02:06:04 PM  

The Bestest: ..and against the current worst team in the game, the Rangers


Ugh. Absolutely pathetic performance from the Yankees - except Wheeler, who was the one bright spot. Fortunately that pitcher is a rookie and he'll get over it.  Meanwhile the Yankees just got Chase Headley from the Padres for Yangervis Solarte.

The worst part about last night though was that Cheese Weasel probably shiat himself with glee.
 
2014-07-22 02:08:10 PM  

idesofmarch: Captain Steroid: [i1182.photobucket.com image 335x331]

Keep posting that, Mets fan.
[thephilliesblunt.com image 281x219]


The sun was in his eyes. >_>'
 
2014-07-22 02:11:06 PM  

Badmoodman: Arkanaut: That's one way of keeping your ERA low...

I hate that stat. Runs scored on an error by a pitcher should count against their E.R.A.


Why?  The intent of ERA is to measure pitching effectiveness, not fielding effectiveness.
 
2014-07-22 02:15:29 PM  
Worst team in baseball too...good grief, how awful.
 
2014-07-22 02:23:32 PM  

idesofmarch: Meanwhile the Yankees just got Chase Headley from the Padres for Yangervis Solarte.


I swear, if Solarte suddenly becomes a Padre superstar...

..not that's I'm expecting it, but it -would- be typical the way this year is going. Really, I think the only team more snakebitten this year than the Yankees are the Rangers.

/who woulda thought that the oldest pitcher on the staff would end up being the most durable?
 
2014-07-22 02:32:21 PM  

The Bestest: Really, I think the only team more snakebitten this year than the Yankees are the Rangers.


Yeah, they were going on about that in the broadcast last night. That's some pretty bad luck right there. I'd feel bad for them if it weren't for Texas Rangers fans.
 
2014-07-22 03:28:39 PM  
The Bestest:  Really, I think the only team more snakebitten this year than the Yankees are the Rangers.

Is there doubt about that? By what measure could you possibly think the yankees come close to winning that contest?

idesofmarch:  I'd feel bad for them if it weren't for Texas Rangers fans.

we'll never reach the douche plateau that our bronx brothers have established.
 
2014-07-22 03:34:20 PM  

Uncle Pooky: idesofmarch: I'd feel bad for them if it weren't for Texas Rangers fans.

we'll never reach the douche plateau that our bronx brothers have established.


Don't be so sure. Everything's bigger in Texas.
 
2014-07-22 03:55:20 PM  

Uncle Pooky: By what measure could you possibly think the yankees come close to winning that contest?


Was comparing the Yankees to the rest of the non-Rangers league. It's not even close with the Rangers.
 
2014-07-22 04:16:12 PM  
I miss A-Rod.
 
2014-07-22 04:19:02 PM  

mainstreet62: I miss A-Rod.


Check the thread above this one.

Also, the Headly trade pretty much means that the Yankees likely have no plans for A-Rod next year.
 
2014-07-22 04:28:04 PM  
FARK: Twice throwing to 1st base

Think it's bad now?  Wait til they buy Lester.
 
2014-07-22 05:12:58 PM  

The Bestest: Also, the Headly trade pretty much means that the Yankees likely have no plans for A-Rod next year.


Headley's a FA at the end of the year and will almost certainly want to test the market.

I agree A-Rod won't be the every day 3B next year, but I don't think this trade has anything at all to do with that.
 
2014-07-22 05:28:50 PM  
The funniest thing about the game happed afterwards.

Reporter was interviewing Shin SOo Choo, asked him what he thought of Mikolas. Choo responded with a furled brow "WHO?" Your starter... Oh, yea he did good.

I don't blame Choo. Clubhouse has a revolving door to the surgeons office

/now that Mikolas is in the majors I'll have to find a new landscaper...
 
2014-07-22 10:00:21 PM  
Why is this bad subby?
 
2014-07-22 11:19:02 PM  
These are two mangled teams.

After 12 innings, the Rangers and Yankees are tied 0-0.  Both teams had weak starting pitchers, yet here they are in extra time, with no PK to end this.
 
2014-07-22 11:19:21 PM  
I swear, Yankees are about to get swept by the damn Rangers at home..

bottom of the 12th in a scoreless game, baseless loaded, 1 out and nothin..

now Arencibia or whatever gets a solo homer in the top of the 13th
 
2014-07-22 11:47:03 PM  

haemaker: Bob Brenly says "Hello."


Tommy John waves back.
 
2014-07-22 11:58:31 PM  
well, for the 3rd straight inning, Yankees have the winning run at 3rd with 1 out. Let's see what happens.
 
2014-07-23 12:01:21 AM  
..and Chase Headly gets the game-winning walk-off RBI single
 
2014-07-23 01:19:24 AM  

The Bestest: I swear, Yankees are about to get swept by the damn Rangers at home..

bottom of the 12th in a scoreless game, baseless loaded, 1 out and nothin..

now Arencibia or whatever gets a solo homer in the top of the 13th


Yeah, I was FURIOUS when the Yankees didn't win it there in the 12th - thank god it worked out in the end.  It should not have to be THAT hard against such a bad team.
 
2014-07-23 09:10:35 AM  

Badmoodman: I hate that stat. Runs scored on an error by a pitcher should count against their E.R.A.


FARK should have been "he allowed four runs, all of them earned".

But I agree. Runs scored on (or batters allowed on base who later score) errors by the pitcher should count towards their ERA.
 
2014-07-23 09:54:06 AM  

proteus_b: Badmoodman: I hate that stat. Runs scored on an error by a pitcher should count against their E.R.A.

FARK should have been "he allowed four runs, all of them earned".

But I agree. Runs scored on (or batters allowed on base who later score) errors by the pitcher should count towards their ERA.


Again, no.  ERA is not intended to measure the fielding of a pitcher, no matter how crappy of a fielder they are.  It is intended to measure pitching effectiveness.  Counting a throwing error to first against a pitcher's ERA conflates fielding and pitching statistics.   It makes no sense to mix them.
 
2014-07-23 12:19:22 PM  

idesofmarch: The Bestest: I swear, Yankees are about to get swept by the damn Rangers at home..

bottom of the 12th in a scoreless game, baseless loaded, 1 out and nothin..

now Arencibia or whatever gets a solo homer in the top of the 13th

Yeah, I was FURIOUS when the Yankees didn't win it there in the 12th - thank god it worked out in the end.  It should not have to be THAT hard against such a bad team.


The entitlement is astounding.
 
2014-07-23 12:25:40 PM  

4NTLRZ: The entitlement is astounding.


When you have the bases loaded, 1 out and a 3-0 count on the batter, you sorta expect to score in that situation. If that sounds like entitlement to you, there's not much I can say that will help.
 
2014-07-23 03:06:08 PM  

Khellendros: Again, no. ERA is not intended to measure the fielding of a pitcher, no matter how crappy of a fielder they are. It is intended to measure pitching effectiveness. Counting a throwing error to first against a pitcher's ERA conflates fielding and pitching statistics. It makes no sense to mix them.


Doesn't make much sense that someone can pitch 8 shutout innings and then not be awarded a win when his team finally scores in the ninth either.
 
2014-07-23 03:43:07 PM  

proteus_b: Khellendros: Again, no. ERA is not intended to measure the fielding of a pitcher, no matter how crappy of a fielder they are. It is intended to measure pitching effectiveness. Counting a throwing error to first against a pitcher's ERA conflates fielding and pitching statistics. It makes no sense to mix them.

Doesn't make much sense that someone can pitch 8 shutout innings and then not be awarded a win when his team finally scores in the ninth either.


You are correct.  Wins have always been a crap stat.  About as arbitrary as it gets.  Pitchers can be brilliant, but a lack of bats kills them.  Terrible pitchers can give up 4 runs a game and still pack up wins if they have a good lineup.

I'd prefer we not pollute existing useful stats.  ERA isn't perfect, but a decent indicator of pitching effectiveness.
 
2014-07-23 05:55:21 PM  

proteus_b: Khellendros: Again, no. ERA is not intended to measure the fielding of a pitcher, no matter how crappy of a fielder they are. It is intended to measure pitching effectiveness. Counting a throwing error to first against a pitcher's ERA conflates fielding and pitching statistics. It makes no sense to mix them.

Doesn't make much sense that someone can pitch 8 shutout innings and then not be awarded a win when his team finally scores in the ninth either.


What kills me is when a team goes into an inning up by a couple runs and the starter is pulled in line for the win - then the reliever lets the lead get away before getting the third out, and in the next frame, his team gets the lead back, putting him in line for a win instead of the starter who pitched better than he did!  So ridiculous.  They should at least let the umpire have discretion to award the win to whichever pitcher deserves it, like they do when a starter leaves the game with a lead but fails to go 5 innings. (Maybe they do have that power and just never exercise it, I dunno.)
 
2014-07-23 08:31:48 PM  

idesofmarch: They should at least let the umpire have discretion to award the win to whichever pitcher deserves it, like they do when a starter leaves the game with a lead but fails to go 5 innings.


I think there are actually cases where it's ambiguous and the scorekeeper, not the umpire, decides who gets the win, but in the situation you describe, it's not possible for the starter to get the win.
 
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