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(Politico)   Unlike Obama, Rand Paul doesn't want his kids to work for minimum wage. He'd wants them to get ahead the old fashioned way: by exploiting their father's political connections or forming their own certification boards to approve their credentials   (politico.com) divider line 77
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2014-07-22 10:03:42 AM  
We're back to the same conservative argument that "minimum wage jobs are temporary jobs for teenagers", another one of those arguments they started making 40 years ago and have not changed despite it being empirically false?
 
2014-07-22 10:11:32 AM  
Unlike Obama, Rand Paul doesn't want his kids to work for minimum wage. He'd wants them to get ahead the old fashioned way: by exploiting their father's political connections.

/C'mon, let's be honest here.
//And grammatically correct.
 
2014-07-22 10:45:57 AM  
So Rand Paul puts on his lolbertarian hat and goes to Cali to try to schmooze hi tech corridor support and in the process mocks the Obama's response in a recent Parade interview in which they thought it would be valuable for their girls to learn the lessons learned by working hard for low pay?

Uses the time honored and long busted "minimum wage jobs are a temporary thing" rhetoric?

Christ, what a (self certified) asshole.
 
2014-07-22 10:55:24 AM  

DamnYankees: We're back to the same conservative argument that "minimum wage jobs are temporary jobs for teenagers", another one of those arguments they started making 40 years ago and have not changed despite it being empirically false?


to be fair, they should be

that it's not, however, is about the most damning argument against trickle down
 
2014-07-22 11:06:06 AM  
"The minimum wage is a temporary" thing, Paul said. "It's a chance to get started. I see my son come home with his tips. And he's got cash in his hand and he's proud of himself. I don't want him to stop there. But he's working and he's understanding the value of work. We shouldn't disparage that."

==

"Oh, yeah. I think every kid needs to get a taste of what it's like to do that real hard work," Michelle Obama answered.
"We are looking for opportunities for them to feel as if going to work and getting a paycheck is not always fun, not always stimulating, not always fair. But that's what most folks go through every single day," President Obama added.


Sounds like they're saying the exact same thing.  Thanks Obama.
 
2014-07-22 11:28:33 AM  
Does Rand Paul have a permanent disconnect between what each side of his mouth is saying? It sounds like he completely agrees with Obama but Obama is incorrect too. WTF dude.
 
2014-07-22 11:35:50 AM  
Submitter, why do you work? Isn't it to give your children advantages you didn't have? That's why I work that's why when I'm feeling like death warmed over I still make it to the office.

I'd be messed up if parents didn't want to help their kids along.

sprawl15: to be fair, they should be

that it's not, however, is about the most damning argument against trickle down


Or the most damning argument against government substitutes. How would Walmart sell their plastic crap if no one had money? Right now Walmart (and other companies) don't have to pay their employees because the government has programs in place to make up the difference between their paychecks and what they need to live on. If these programs where not there and large employers wanted to keep selling stuff they would have to pay enough. Companies, all companies, want to pay as little as possible to get the job done. Just as end users want to pay as little as possible to get the products they want. These programs allow companies to get workers at a discount.

Now here is the hard part. How do you help people that are in a bad situation and really do need help and not have this happen?
 
2014-07-22 11:40:18 AM  

Mentat: Sounds like they're saying the exact same thing.  Thanks Obama.


I know how to fix that.

"Oh, yeah. I think every kid needs to get a taste of what it's like to do that real hard work," Michelle Obama Rand Paul answered.
"We are looking for opportunities for them to feel as if going to work and getting a paycheck is not always fun, not always stimulating, not always fair. But that's what most folks go through every single day," President Obama Rand Paul added.


Easy peasy.
 
2014-07-22 12:13:17 PM  

DamnYankees: another one of those arguments they started making 40 years ago and have not changed despite it being empirically false?


Well, there's more recent arguments that are empirically false they create to support the 40 year old false arguments.
 
2014-07-22 12:13:35 PM  

stpauler: Does Rand Paul have a permanent disconnect between what each side of his mouth is saying? It sounds like he completely agrees with Obama but Obama is incorrect too. WTF dude.


He is probably trying to co opt Obama's position. But being the crafty illegal Kenyan that he is, Obama won't move.
 
2014-07-22 12:14:03 PM  
Uh, is he implying that the Obama daughters are going to deliver pizzas the rest of their lives?
 
2014-07-22 12:16:35 PM  
Every time Rand Paul speaks, it just further cements the old adage, "As stupid as a Kentucky voter."
 
2014-07-22 12:16:40 PM  
 
2014-07-22 12:17:34 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Uh, is he implying that the Obama daughters are going to deliver pizzas the rest of their lives?


I did far better than minimum wage when I delivered pizza in the early '80's.
 
2014-07-22 12:18:25 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Now here is the hard part. How do you help people that are in a bad situation and really do need help and not have this happen?


keep social services but also force companies to pay a wage that allows their employees to live without qualifying for the services.
 
2014-07-22 12:18:29 PM  

sprawl15: DamnYankees: We're back to the same conservative argument that "minimum wage jobs are temporary jobs for teenagers", another one of those arguments they started making 40 years ago and have not changed despite it being empirically false?

to be fair, they should be

that it's not, however, is about the most damning argument against trickle down


Age graduated minimum wage. They have this in Australia.

Under 16 years of age $5.87
At 16 years of age $7.55
At 17 years of age $9.22
At 18 years of age $10.90
At 19 years of age $13.17
At 20 years of age $15.59.
 
2014-07-22 12:18:54 PM  

DamnYankees: We're back to the same conservative argument that "minimum wage jobs are temporary jobs for teenagers", another one of those arguments they started making 40 years ago and have not changed despite it being empirically false?


Narrative trumps reality every time.
 
2014-07-22 12:19:00 PM  

DamnYankees: We're back to the same conservative argument that "minimum wage jobs are temporary jobs for teenagers", another one of those arguments they started making 40 years ago and have not changed despite it being empirically false?


What is zero?

Number of times Republicans have given up arguments because they were disproven
 
2014-07-22 12:19:38 PM  

Mentat: Sounds like they're saying the exact same thing. Thanks Obama.


I thought the same thing, so I tried to find context for the "opposite" quote that is just kinda floating out there, and found this:

UPDATE: Brian Darling, Rand Paul's senior communications director, contests the characterization of Paul's remarks found in Politico, the Huffington Post and the post below. "It is not accurate to says that Sen. Paul's criticized the president and first lady for wanting their daughters to work minimum wage jobs," Darling said in an email. "Sen. Paul argued that kids should be celebrated for making their own money and not taught that minimum wage jobs are bad."

So I guess Politico is making shiat up or just trying to stir the pot? I'm shocked.
 
2014-07-22 12:21:23 PM  
The Wealthy's brats, if they work at all, don't work for minimum wage.  not by a long shot.  usually, they are too busy getting blow jobs and hanging out with their lounge lizard friends, who also happen to be trust fund babies.
 
2014-07-22 12:22:06 PM  
The government should not enforce a minimum wage - it should define a "living wage", and any company that hires any employees below that rate should not be eligible for any government contracts, nor should any of their employees be eligible for any government assistance of any kind.

If they're really just pizza joints hiring teenagers, then this should not be a problem.
 
2014-07-22 12:22:28 PM  
i.huffpost.com

Oh hai guyz we talkin bout jobs nao?
 
2014-07-22 12:22:32 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Submitter, why do you work? Isn't it to give your children advantages you didn't have? That's why I work that's why when I'm feeling like death warmed over I still make it to the office.

I'd be messed up if parents didn't want to help their kids along.


Isn't the corollary that people who don't have children have no incentive to work?

Anyway, the question is this:  Do your children deserve your wealth?

Not:  Should you be free to do what you want with your wealth?

Or:  Do parents want to do the best for their children?

Nothing like that.

Simply:  Do your children, simply by virtue of being born, deserve a better or worse life than other children, born to someone else?

What do we value more:  meritocracy, or birth lottery?
 
2014-07-22 12:22:32 PM  
You take advantage of your opportunities. The problem is a certain segment wants to take away the few opportunities the lower class has lest they one day compete with them and their offspring.
 
2014-07-22 12:22:49 PM  

DamnYankees: We're back to the same conservative argument that "minimum wage jobs are temporary jobs for teenagers", another one of those arguments they started making 40 years ago and have not changed despite it being empirically false?



of course that is their "view".  these are the same people who shipped American jobs to cheap labor in commie china so the stockholders could live even better lifestyles off someone else's labor.

ain't Freedom great!!
 
2014-07-22 12:23:40 PM  

quatchi: So Rand Paul puts on his lolbertarian hat and goes to Cali to try to schmooze hi tech corridor support and in the process mocks the Obama's response in a recent Parade interview in which they thought it would be valuable for their girls to learn the lessons learned by working hard for low pay?

Uses the time honored and long busted "minimum wage jobs are a temporary thing" rhetoric?

Christ, what a (self certified) asshole.


You know if Rand Paul were to publicly self-certify as an asshole I'd have to respect his honesty at least.

He's a really nice litmus test to see if anyone's politics are really worth examining closely- if someone likes him, that person might be well meaning but their political views probably aren't that well thought out.
 
2014-07-22 12:24:00 PM  

EyeballKid: Every time Rand Paul speaks, it just further cements the old adage, "As stupid as a Kentucky voter."


as stupid as the South.  lost one war already and they still parade their dumb assed confederate flag around.
 
2014-07-22 12:25:39 PM  
"Oh, yeah. I think every kid needs to get a taste of what it's like to do that real hard work," Michelle Obama answered.

A taste of hard work. Just a taste.

www.popularmechanics.com
 
2014-07-22 12:25:57 PM  

LarryDan43: You take advantage of your opportunities. The problem is a certain segment wants to take away the few opportunities the lower class has lest they one day compete with them and their offspring.



well said.  You win.  (:

these same 'certain segment' folks are horrified of Democracy.  Democracy means they would have to play on a level playing field.  that is not their style.  it's un'murican!
 
2014-07-22 12:26:08 PM  
It seems to me that the difference is that Rand Paul is talking about the way things should be, ie "minimum wage jobs should be starter jobs" while Obama is talking about the way things are, ie "too many people are being forced to live on minimum wage jobs".  Both are right, but Obama has the advantage in that he's trying to solve an actual problem that Americans are dealing with right now.
 
2014-07-22 12:26:08 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How do you help people that are in a bad situation and really do need help and not have this happen?


the most straightforward is a basic income (including basic health insurance coverage). then, if you want something beyond the barest of minimums, you work for it. people no longer have to work shiat jobs to make ends meet, and a lot of social services programs can be eliminated as redundant

that creates a system where workers saying 'no' to a job is actually meaningful, and minimum wage becomes a separate argument from a livable wage
 
2014-07-22 12:26:22 PM  

Muta: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Uh, is he implying that the Obama daughters are going to deliver pizzas the rest of their lives?

I did far better than minimum wage when I delivered pizza in the early '80's.


Me too in the very early 2000s. Loved that job.
 
2014-07-22 12:26:41 PM  

stpauler: Does Rand Paul have a permanent disconnect between what each side of his mouth is saying? It sounds like he completely agrees with Obama but Obama is incorrect too. WTF dude.


Exactly like when he abused the filibuster to piss and moan about drones, then comes back to basically agree with the administration's position 100% when questioned about it by the press later (and was depantsed publicly in a letter from Holder of all people IIRC).
 
2014-07-22 12:27:21 PM  

jigger: "Oh, yeah. I think every kid needs to get a taste of what it's like to do that real hard work," Michelle Obama answered.

A taste of hard work. Just a taste.

[www.popularmechanics.com image 640x400]



no, in 'murica, it's "don't work at all."  let someone else do the actual work and you live off their labor (stocks)
 
2014-07-22 12:28:14 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Muta: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Uh, is he implying that the Obama daughters are going to deliver pizzas the rest of their lives?

I did far better than minimum wage when I delivered pizza in the early '80's.

Me too in the very early 2000s. Loved that job.



how many of your cars did you go thru delivering pizza???
 
2014-07-22 12:29:04 PM  

Morpher59: The government should not enforce a minimum wage - it should define a "living wage", and any company that hires any employees below that rate should not be eligible for any government contracts, nor should any of their employees be eligible for any government assistance of any kind.

If they're really just pizza joints hiring teenagers, then this should not be a problem.


So if the company doesn't follow the rules, the employees get punished? In this far-from-perfect job market? Terrible idea.
 
2014-07-22 12:29:36 PM  

Linux_Yes: Car_Ramrod: Muta: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Uh, is he implying that the Obama daughters are going to deliver pizzas the rest of their lives?

I did far better than minimum wage when I delivered pizza in the early '80's.

Me too in the very early 2000s. Loved that job.


how many of your cars did you go thru delivering pizza???


Um... just had the one, that I had for over 10 years. Why?
 
2014-07-22 12:30:21 PM  
"There is no substitute for hard work."
- Rand Paul
 
2014-07-22 12:33:57 PM  
I'm voting for him in 2016. Hey, he's the only chance we have to keep another political dynasty out of the White House.
 
2014-07-22 12:35:31 PM  

sprawl15: the most straightforward is a basic income (including basic health insurance coverage). then, if you want something beyond the barest of minimums, you work for it. people no longer have to work shiat jobs to make ends meet, and a lot of social services programs can be eliminated as redundant

that creates a system where workers saying 'no' to a job is actually meaningful, and minimum wage becomes a separate argument from a livable wage


That should also increase entrepreneurship, as it's much easier to start your own business when you don't have to worry about how you're going to keep your rent paid.
 
2014-07-22 12:36:07 PM  

stoli n coke: I'm voting for him in 2016. Hey, he's the only chance we have to keep another political dynasty out of the White House.


So what you're saying is, you don't know what a dynasty is.
 
2014-07-22 12:36:07 PM  

Morpher59: If they're really just pizza joints hiring teenagers, then this should not be a problem.


Median age of fast food workers is 28.
 
2014-07-22 12:38:45 PM  

grumpfuff: stoli n coke: I'm voting for him in 2016. Hey, he's the only chance we have to keep another political dynasty out of the White House.

So what you're saying is, you don't know what a dynasty is.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-22 12:40:08 PM  

sendtodave: What do we value more: meritocracy, or birth lottery?


So are you suggesting all parents be made to have the same income, to prevent children of wealthier parents from winning the 'birth lottery'?

Interesting. Very socialistic, but interesting.
 
2014-07-22 12:45:06 PM  

Triple Oak: Morpher59: The government should not enforce a minimum wage - it should define a "living wage", and any company that hires any employees below that rate should not be eligible for any government contracts, nor should any of their employees be eligible for any government assistance of any kind.

If they're really just pizza joints hiring teenagers, then this should not be a problem.

So if the company doesn't follow the rules, the employees get punished? In this far-from-perfect job market? Terrible idea.


Those would be the rules.  If they can convince employees to still work for them when it would result in the employee actually losing money doing so, good for them.  The problem now is that the companies are following the current rules, and we as taxpayers are subsidizing them by making up the difference between what the employees are paid and what they need to live on.
 
2014-07-22 12:45:43 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Linux_Yes: Car_Ramrod: Muta: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Uh, is he implying that the Obama daughters are going to deliver pizzas the rest of their lives?

I did far better than minimum wage when I delivered pizza in the early '80's.

Me too in the very early 2000s. Loved that job.


how many of your cars did you go thru delivering pizza???

Um... just had the one, that I had for over 10 years. Why?


i assume (hard to tell with them) that it's more a comment about gas plus wear and tear that is usually not compensated by most pizza delivery people that is not usually taken into account

my sister's boyfriend delivered chinese, and since he got tipped he was making less than min wage (like $3.50/hr). he said he actually averaged like 10, 12/hr with tips which was great, but put a ridiculous amount of miles on a relatively new car on top of having to pay for gas which (after doing some napkin math) netted him something like $2/hr for the work

but it turned out he was dealing drugs on the side so i guess it actually did work out pretty well for him money wise
 
2014-07-22 12:50:58 PM  

stpauler: Does Rand Paul have a permanent disconnect between what each side of his mouth is saying?


Yes.
 
2014-07-22 12:51:31 PM  

Headso: keep social services but also force companies to pay a wage that allows their employees to live without qualifying for the services.


1) And how much is that? Should someone get paid more just because they need it? If you're stocking shelves at the local box store and you have a baby at home do you deserve more than the guy working right next to you that doesn't have a kid? Same utility to the company! Those situations will always arise and there for there will always be a system in place to help those in need. How do we figure out who really "needs" it? And who do we tell no to?

2)The job requires little to no training and you literally have thousands and thousands of people who could do that job. And more showing up everyday. No matter what the unskilled untrained people will be at the bottom. Now as long as we have a social answer to funding them the companies have no insensitive to pay more because the government will provide them with enough money to buy the products the company is selling.
 
2014-07-22 12:52:03 PM  

Felgraf: sendtodave: What do we value more: meritocracy, or birth lottery?

So are you suggesting all parents be made to have the same income, to prevent children of wealthier parents from winning the 'birth lottery'?

Interesting. Very socialistic, but interesting.


Well, we could say "make what you want, but your kids have to start from scratch, on an even keel with other children."

But it seems that some people feel that their children are the only reason to make a good income?

Either way, we decided that the sons of kings should get to run everything because of their birth.  Why should the sons of the rich?
 
2014-07-22 12:52:59 PM  

Morpher59: Those would be the rules.  If they can convince employees to still work for them when it would result in the employee actually losing money doing so, good for them.  The problem now is that the companies are following the current rules, and we as taxpayers are subsidizing them by making up the difference between what the employees are paid and what they need to live on.


What does that do, other than makes things hard for people that are already having a rough time?  If anything, we should be leveling heavy fines on anyone that has employees receiving public assistance.
 
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