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2014-07-22 08:56:50 AM  
i.huffpost.com

If someone could just pass out poison tea.
 
2014-07-22 09:01:50 AM  
Conservatives are right. America is an exceptional nation. Exceptionally stupid.
 
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2014-07-22 09:10:31 AM  
journals.cec.sped.org
 
2014-07-22 09:19:00 AM  
400 ppm and climbing like an F-16 on afterburner.
 
2014-07-22 09:22:26 AM  
when the media gives equal time to anti-science zealots, this is the inevitable result. we have no one to blame but ourselves.
 
2014-07-22 09:39:06 AM  
Thermometry ain't in the Bible.
 
2014-07-22 10:17:06 AM  
look it's not about being right, or having long-term goals, or making sure our children have a future... what matters is my ego! and as an american my ego is just as huge as my freedom fat (which is enormous)
 
2014-07-22 10:17:41 AM  
"CO2 isn't pollution?"

Put a bag over your head for a few minutes and tell me how that works out for you, dumbass.
 
2014-07-22 10:19:23 AM  
You know, if travel were mandatory ... i mean, if Americans were forced to step out and actually SEE the world for a couple of weeks every year, i wonder if views would change ....
 
2014-07-22 10:21:22 AM  
I predict a rational, dispassionate, and friendly debate.

/grabs popcorn
 
2014-07-22 10:21:37 AM  

towatchoverme: "CO2 isn't pollution?"

Put a bag over your head for a few minutes and tell me how that works out for you, dumbass.


But I've been told by very serious people that plants "breath" CO2!
 
2014-07-22 10:22:45 AM  

towatchoverme: You know, if travel were mandatory ... i mean, if Americans were forced to step out and actually SEE the world for a couple of weeks every year, i wonder if views would change ....


Sounds like someone's a damn socialist, pushing for legally-mandated vacations!
 
2014-07-22 10:27:45 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: But I've been told by very serious people that plants "breath" CO2!


And, of course, it's totally true, but all the plants on the planet can't keep up with the rate we are dumping it out.  Not even close.
 
2014-07-22 10:29:13 AM  
Also, with respect to the headline:

It actually could make sense without taking into account the unique derptardedness of republicans(even though we know that's what's happening here).

The continental US is one of the few places in the entire world where climate change is cooling things.
 
2014-07-22 10:30:48 AM  

Cyrus the Mediocre: Thermometry ain't in the Bible.


Thermometry! awesome, i'm stealing that.
 
2014-07-22 10:32:54 AM  
This should come as no surprise.  We have a long history of denying reality.
 
2014-07-22 10:33:01 AM  

towatchoverme: You know, if travel were mandatory ... i mean, if Americans were forced to step out and actually SEE the world for a couple of weeks every year, i wonder if views would change ....


Yes, views would change.

The Eiffel Tower would be topped with Golden Arches. Uluru would feature relaxing hot tubs on its summit with big screen TVs for watching NFL games. And Antartica would have driving ranges and putting greens.

Just be glad more Americans don't travel.
 
2014-07-22 10:37:03 AM  
54% of Americans agreed with the statement, "The climate change we are currently seeing is largely the result of human activity."

"we are heading for environmental disaster unless we change our habits quickly." On that question, 57.3% of Americans agreed


There's 3.3% of people in the US who think we're headed for an environmental disaster unless we change our habits quickly, but don't think climate change is largely the result of human activity? How would changing our habits help then?
 
2014-07-22 10:41:28 AM  

www.bartcop.com

 
2014-07-22 10:41:30 AM  

miscreant: 54% of Americans agreed with the statement, "The climate change we are currently seeing is largely the result of human activity."

"we are heading for environmental disaster unless we change our habits quickly." On that question, 57.3% of Americans agreed

There's 3.3% of people in the US who think we're headed for an environmental disaster unless we change our habits quickly, but don't think climate change is largely the result of human activity? How would changing our habits help then?


Probably a higher percentage than that as it is likely that some subset (probably a significant subset one would think) of folks who answered yes to the first question about humans causing climate change answered no when asked if we were headed for an environmental disaster.
 
2014-07-22 10:42:53 AM  

towatchoverme: You know, if travel were mandatory ... i mean, if Americans were forced to step out and actually SEE the world for a couple of weeks every year, i wonder if views would change ....


And all that traveling would do wonders for CO2 levels.
 
2014-07-22 10:45:23 AM  
The same Generations that built and supported this nation's rise to greatness have become the ones that wish to tear it down. I wish people could separate their personal views and fears from a larger view of things.
 
2014-07-22 10:45:51 AM  
I'm an American.
I think the claims of human driven climate change are overstated.
I think measures to curb greenhouse emissions are feel good nonsense that is expensive, and futile.
I have relevant degrees in the field.

'merica?
 
2014-07-22 10:46:53 AM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I'm an American.
I think the claims of human driven climate change are overstated.
I think measures to curb greenhouse emissions are feel good nonsense that is expensive, and futile.
I have relevant degrees in the field.

'merica?


And I don't believe you.
 
2014-07-22 10:47:17 AM  

ikanreed: Also, with respect to the headline:

It actually could make sense without taking into account the unique derptardedness of republicans(even though we know that's what's happening here).

The continental US is one of the few places in the entire world where climate change is cooling things.


While that's true (for now), it's never wise for anyone to base their opinion about "global" climate change on what's going on outside their window.  Not that that is going to stop people from doing exactly that, but still...

"OMG!  It's hot in the midwest in the summer!  Global warming is real!  OMG!  It's cold in the midwest in the winter!  The scientists are lying to us!" --- Sadly, I hear a lot of that around where I live.  Even the non-deniers aren't immune to that sort of thinking.
 
2014-07-22 10:50:23 AM  
Nope, nothing is changing climately.

icons.wxug.com
 
2014-07-22 10:50:59 AM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I'm an American.
I think the claims of human driven climate change are overstated.
I think measures to curb greenhouse emissions are feel good nonsense that is expensive, and futile.
I have relevant degrees in the field.

'merica?


I look forward to your upcoming peer reviewed article on the subject.
 
2014-07-22 10:52:49 AM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I think the claims of human driven climate change are overstated.


Explain why, specifically.

Pocket_Fisherman: I think measures to curb greenhouse emissions are feel good nonsense that is expensive, and futile.


Then how come American greenhouse emissions have begun to decline?

www.epa.gov

Pocket_Fisherman: I have relevant degrees in the field.


Aside from being an appeal to authority, that means nothing.
 
2014-07-22 11:08:31 AM  
www.smidgeindustriesltd.com


HMS_Blinkin: Then how come American greenhouse emissions have begun to decline?


In all fairness, do you suppose something might have happened circa 2007-2008 that might be confounding that data? Something akin to an economic downturn causing people to consume less energy as a whole and thereby produce less emissions?

Looking forward to more data in the coming years to see if that dip is really a decline or just a burp.
=Smidge=
/And, of course, they're still too high
 
2014-07-22 11:10:50 AM  

meat0918: Pocket_Fisherman: I'm an American.
I think the claims of human driven climate change are overstated.
I think measures to curb greenhouse emissions are feel good nonsense that is expensive, and futile.
I have relevant degrees in the field.

'merica?

And I don't believe you.


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2014-07-22 11:13:48 AM  

Smidge204: In all fairness, do you suppose something might have happened circa 2007-2008 that might be confounding that data? Something akin to an economic downturn causing people to consume less energy as a whole and thereby produce less emissions?


Of course the recession played a role, but the decline continues in 2011-2012, by which time the economy was at least beginning to recover (and was substantially better than in 2008).  Obviously the numbers are still too high, but it's possible to "move the football" at least incrementally in the right direction.

There's not going to be a silver bullet to CO2 emissions, but we can reduce our pollution incrementally.
 
2014-07-22 11:19:54 AM  
The USA: Where Truthiness Tumps Fact.
 
2014-07-22 11:20:19 AM  

Smidge204: Looking forward to more data in the coming years to see if that dip is really a decline or just a burp.


And I meant to add that yes, we'll need more data, but I'm hopeful that people making more climate-conscious choices are going to help slowly making a difference.
 
2014-07-22 11:23:26 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Smidge204: In all fairness, do you suppose something might have happened circa 2007-2008 that might be confounding that data? Something akin to an economic downturn causing people to consume less energy as a whole and thereby produce less emissions?

Of course the recession played a role, but the decline continues in 2011-2012, by which time the economy was at least beginning to recover (and was substantially better than in 2008).  Obviously the numbers are still too high, but it's possible to "move the football" at least incrementally in the right direction.

There's not going to be a silver bullet to CO2 emissions, but we can reduce our pollution incrementally.


Yeah but China isn't so why should we?  MURIKA!!!
 
2014-07-22 11:26:22 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: towatchoverme: You know, if travel were mandatory ... i mean, if Americans were forced to step out and actually SEE the world for a couple of weeks every year, i wonder if views would change ....

Yes, views would change.

The Eiffel Tower would be topped with Golden Arches. Uluru would feature relaxing hot tubs on its summit with big screen TVs for watching NFL games. And Antartica would have driving ranges and putting greens.

Just be glad more Americans don't travel.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-22 11:31:12 AM  

ikanreed: The continental US is one of the few places in the entire world where climate change is cooling things.


That's... not actually true at all.

i.imgur.com

Data (annual) from NOAA, LOESS smooth in red to show trend.
 
2014-07-22 11:37:09 AM  

Jon Snow: ikanreed: The continental US is one of the few places in the entire world where climate change is cooling things.

That's... not actually true at all.

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Data (annual) from NOAA, LOESS smooth in red to show trend.


Short term. Sorry for not clarifying.
 
2014-07-22 11:39:14 AM  
I used to fight this fight but I realized I don't have to.  While there are some limited idiocy like the carbon tax and trading which was just a way for some people to get rich for nothing or take more money from businesses, over all the economy will always win.

"Green" is fine and good but it needs to be legitimately economically viable, not the artificial viability of government credits or taxing other forms into unaffordability.

So while I'm old enough to have seen all the predictions of the 90's and 00's not come to pass, Islands are not swallowed, people are not being displaced, storms are not worse, famine isn't a thing, I'm now wise enough to not care too much about the agenda driven, sky is falling, politically motivated "climate change" contingent.  The economy is stronger than ideology, for better or worse, your pick, doesn't matter.
 
2014-07-22 11:39:59 AM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I have relevant degrees in the field.


Awesome! I've been dying to chat with someone about some relevant stuff.

What do you think about Shindell's latest paper showing the problem with trying to derive an effective climate sensitivity value from globally-averaged (forcing and temp) data that fails to account for the spatio-temporal heterogeneity of aerosol dimming? I think it's a pretty elegant paper, but I'm not wholly convinced that the scaling ratio he suggests is empirically supported to the degree he implies.

Or what about the recent reconstruction of tropical Pliocene SSTs and their implications for Earth System Sensitivity?

Or if there is a topic you'd be interested in discussing instead, I'd love to hear about it.
 
2014-07-22 11:40:15 AM  

Serious Black: Conservatives are right. America is an exceptional nation. Exceptionally stupid.


Thanks to the liberal colleges you are right
 
2014-07-22 11:42:12 AM  
It's a closed system. You fill it up with shiat. What the fark do you think is going to happen?
 
2014-07-22 11:45:22 AM  

barefoot in the head: It's a closed system. You fill it up with shiat. What the fark do you think is going to happen?


At first I thought you were talking about the climate, and I was going to rant about how radiation and isolation make it a very open system and the rates of change in that are, in fact, the critical factors we're talking about.

But then I realized the closed system filled up with shiat are the US's political debates.  And you're right.  Totally right.
 
2014-07-22 11:46:02 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Thanks to the liberal colleges you are right


I'm sorry you were a high school drop-out, but you need to stop projecting.
 
2014-07-22 11:51:13 AM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I used to fight this fight but I realized I don't have to.  While there are some limited idiocy like the carbon tax and trading which was just a way for some people to get rich for nothing or take more money from businesses, over all the economy will always win.

"Green" is fine and good but it needs to be legitimately economically viable, not the artificial viability of government credits or taxing other forms into unaffordability.

So while I'm old enough to have seen all the predictions of the 90's and 00's not come to pass, Islands are not swallowed, people are not being displaced, storms are not worse, famine isn't a thing, I'm now wise enough to not care too much about the agenda driven, sky is falling, politically motivated "climate change" contingent.  The economy is stronger than ideology, for better or worse, your pick, doesn't matter.


What predictions, specifically? Made in which refereed studies?

You can just give me the DOIs to the relevant papers- no need to try to track down publicly-accessible PDFs- I have access to pretty much any of the relevant journals.
 
2014-07-22 11:54:35 AM  

Jon Snow: What predictions, specifically? Made in which refereed studies?

You can just give me the DOIs to the relevant papers- no need to try to track down publicly-accessible PDFs- I have access to pretty much any of the relevant journals.


Please, don't you know editorials are a better source of information?

I mean that's why there's a debate at all, a couple hundred scientists contesting the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, and Daily Mail editorial board consensus.

//poorly informed libby lib.
 
2014-07-22 11:59:23 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Serious Black: Conservatives are right. America is an exceptional nation. Exceptionally stupid.

Thanks to the liberal colleges you are right


Uh huh. Because conservative schools, teaching creationism and other nonfactual, non-evidence-based nonsense would be much better at countering stupid thought that those reality-based, fact-supported "liberal colleges." Yep.
 
2014-07-22 12:15:35 PM  

Pocket_Fisherman: I used to fight this fight

idiocy like the carbon tax and trading which was just a way for some people to get rich for nothing or take more money from businesses

over all the economy will always win.

"Green" is fine and good but it needs to be legitimately economically viable, not the artificial viability of government credits or taxing other forms into unaffordability.

The economy is stronger than ideology, for better or worse, your pick, doesn't matter.


Wow. That sure does sound all sciencey and shiat. People would have to be crazy to doubt your weirdly unprompted and completely unsubstantiated claims of expertise on this issue.
 
2014-07-22 12:18:37 PM  

ikanreed: Short term. Sorry for not clarifying.


I still don't get what you're trying to say.

Are you maybe thinking of the impact of reduced Arctic sea ice on extreme winter weather? If so, keep in mind that this bleeding edge research that has a long way to go before it becomes widely accepted, and that it is not talking about the continental US as a whole nor is it talking about sustained, interseasonal cooling.
 
2014-07-22 12:18:40 PM  

ikanreed: barefoot in the head: It's a closed system. You fill it up with shiat. What the fark do you think is going to happen?

At first I thought you were talking about the climate, and I was going to rant about how radiation and isolation make it a very open system and the rates of change in that are, in fact, the critical factors we're talking about.

But then I realized the closed system filled up with shiat are the US's political debates.  And you're right.  Totally right.


farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2014-07-22 12:19:13 PM  

Serious Black: Conservatives are right. America is an exceptional nation. Exceptionally stupid.


It is depressing how such a huge chunk of the country and even a major political party proudly decide to always stand in and push pathetic ignorance.

What wasted opportunities.
 
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