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(Deadspin)   People in Detroit that have no water, rampant crime, crumbling infrastructure can sleep better tonight knowing the city just gave the Red Wings billionaire owner $200+ million for a new arena no questions asked   (deadspin.com ) divider line
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2014-07-21 12:12:55 PM  
Whatca takin' 'bout, Willis?
There is no "real" gulf between income classes in Amerika.
 
2014-07-21 12:25:39 PM  
If we don't give millions of dollars to billionaires, they won't be able to piss on us, an we get no trickle-down. How do you not understand this?
 
2014-07-21 12:33:22 PM  
What I especially love about Stadium Welfare, as the author call it, is that they splash around economic impact numbers that are usually often similar to what you see when a team is relocating to another city.

Somehow, the Detroit Red Wings will generate as much economic activity with this new stadium as they would if they had never ever been there before and were brand new.

I'm a little skeptical.
 
2014-07-21 01:27:32 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: If we don't give millions of dollars to billionaires, they won't be able to piss on us, an we get no trickle-down. How do you not understand this?


Its more like food... see we have to put more food on the table, until some crumbs fall off for us...

img.fark.net
 media.tumblr.com
 
2014-07-21 02:10:38 PM  
FARK YEAH, HOCKEY WOOOOOOOOOO
 
2014-07-21 02:12:20 PM  
But seriously. I can't fathom why the fine people of Detroit haven't snatched up their share of pitchforks and torches yet.  :/
 
2014-07-21 02:32:36 PM  

xanadian: But seriously. I can't fathom why the fine people of Detroit haven't snatched up their share of pitchforks and torches yet.  :/


They're too busy shooting each other. And the elites don't mind this one bit.
 
2014-07-21 02:36:00 PM  
When there is only one business in town that is successful, its best to do what you can to keep them around.
 
2014-07-21 02:46:39 PM  

Sir Cumference the Flatulent: xanadian: But seriously. I can't fathom why the fine people of Detroit haven't snatched up their share of pitchforks and torches yet.  :/

They're too busy shooting each other. And the elites don't mind this one bit.


is this about the Blackhawks?
 
2014-07-21 02:48:29 PM  
The same city that had it's democratically elected government thrown out and replaced by appointees from the governor
 
2014-07-21 02:49:29 PM  

xanadian: But seriously. I can't fathom why the fine people of Detroit haven't snatched up their share of pitchforks and torches yet.  :/


They're too used to having their politicians cheat them and they keep reelecting them. Why would they do that to the beloved owner of the Red Wings and Tigers?

/Kilpatrick would win today if he wasn't in jail.
 
2014-07-21 02:52:08 PM  
TFA is full if shiat. No money is coming from the City of Detroit. It's funded by Olympia ($365 million) and the Downtown Development Authority ($284.5 million) paying off bonds held by the State's Strategic Opportunity fund. Money from the DDA comes from a special property tax paid by businesses in the downtown area.

It's not taking anything from the city, the tax money collected can only be used for these sorts of developments.

Olympia has to spend another $177 million on the surrounding area.

The most important part: the DDA owns the arena, despite Olympia funding the majority of its construction.
 
2014-07-21 02:55:56 PM  
Kwame tried to be the next Coleman Young and failed.

That said, The Illich family has done remarkable things in Detroit.

/kinda tired of the douchenozzles that constantly bash Detroit
 
ecl
2014-07-21 02:57:35 PM  
Maybe he will build them a "Ballpark Village" that will spur economic activity.

c2.staticflickr.com
 
2014-07-21 03:03:38 PM  
Also, those Illitch bastidges donated $8.5 million to the department of surgery at the Wayne State med school recently. Probably to cover up the MILLIONS they are getting from THE CITY.
 
2014-07-21 03:04:07 PM  

bcroz: Kwame tried to be the next Coleman Young and failed.

That said, The Illich family has done remarkable things in Detroit.

/kinda tired of the douchenozzles that constantly bash Detroit


And you fed the trolls with your comment. People don't understand the multiple levels of problems and failures that have contributed to the demise of Detroit. The city will rebound. There needs to be sweeping changes but it will rebound.
 
2014-07-21 03:05:17 PM  
Currently, Joe Louis Arena sits in an area of Detroit that is absolutely useless. No room/area for what you would generally want around a sports stadium. This new stadium will be moved to Midtown and create a great area for nightlife/bars/young professionals to live/business'/etc that the current building cannot support. On top of that, with the Joe falling down basically, it's going to make going to Detroit more than just hitting the area Greektown for those of us who live around here.

The city got screwed on the part of revenue sharing, but I think in the end it'll work out for everyone, the city got the overall short end of the stick, but for what Illitch has meant to this city, I'll go with him getting a little extra piece of the TIF pie.
 
2014-07-21 03:08:40 PM  
"No money will come directly from the city's general fund-something advocates of the deal are quick to point out-but instead the bulk of public funding will come by way of tax increment financing (TIF).

So...no.
 
2014-07-21 03:13:17 PM  

Heliovdrake: Sin_City_Superhero: If we don't give millions of dollars to billionaires, they won't be able to piss on us, an we get no trickle-down. How do you not understand this?

Its more like food... see we have to put more food on the table, until some crumbs fall off for us...

[img.fark.net image 480x469]
 [media.tumblr.com image 400x268]


Hey... I thought the Democrats were in charge of Detroit and its authorities these days...

You know someone is getting a huge kickback.. somewhere.
 
2014-07-21 03:16:41 PM  
. The Illitches dont need the headaches of Detroit, Grand Rapids would have welcomed Olympia Entertainment and the Red Wings and Little Caesars in a heartbeat. The family for whatever reason has continued to build in and champion Detroit and in return they always get shiat on. Any big business is going to be monolithic in it's actions and have its flaws, but as a whole they do more good than harm for the city and Southeast Michigan. Till I see someone besides Dan Gilbert and the Illitch family want to come in to Detroit and spend some of their own money to try and build something worthwhile I say STFU to the haters
 
2014-07-21 03:21:56 PM  
Detroit's dead? Good.
 
2014-07-21 03:23:09 PM  
Will it have cup holders?
 
2014-07-21 03:38:13 PM  
GETS MINES
 
2014-07-21 03:39:07 PM  
Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready
 
2014-07-21 03:53:09 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready



Agreed, I gotta believe that between Ford Field, Commerica Park and this that Detroit will see a better return on investment than most other cities that get bent over a barrel by sport franchise owners demanding a new city funded stadium
 
2014-07-21 03:58:59 PM  

snowybunting: Also, those Illitch bastidges donated $8.5 million to the department of surgery at the Wayne State med school recently. Probably to cover up the MILLIONS they are getting from THE CITY.


You know this is one of the ways the 1% circumvent paying taxes, right?
 
2014-07-21 04:03:33 PM  

Heliovdrake: Sin_City_Superhero: If we don't give millions of dollars to billionaires, they won't be able to piss on us, an we get no trickle-down. How do you not understand this?

Its more like food... see we have to put more food on the table, until some crumbs fall off for us...

[img.fark.net image 480x469]
 [media.tumblr.com image 400x268]


Detroit is a regular hotbed of Republicans
 
2014-07-21 04:05:53 PM  
Public financing of sports stadiums and arenas is the greatest thing going for the sports franchises.  The teams could easily afford to build their own facilities but then they could not easily pack up and move to another town.  The main asset of a sports franchise is the player contracts which can be easily packed in one box.
 
2014-07-21 04:06:42 PM  

NuttierThanEver: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready


Agreed, I gotta believe that between Ford Field, Commerica Park and this that Detroit will see a better return on investment than most other cities that get bent over a barrel by sport franchise owners demanding a new city funded stadium


The same arguments are trotted out by the owners every time they want a new stadium, but the economic literature is pretty conclusive that sport stadium subsidies are a net economic drain on a community. I am unaware of even one study that has found otherwise. I seriously doubt that Detroit is any different from all other American cities that have tried this.
 
2014-07-21 04:10:57 PM  

LessO2: snowybunting: Also, those Illitch bastidges donated $8.5 million to the department of surgery at the Wayne State med school recently. Probably to cover up the MILLIONS they are getting from THE CITY.

You know this is one of the ways the 1% circumvent paying taxes, right?


Yeah, fark those "philanthropists" and their "charitable contributions".
 
2014-07-21 04:11:51 PM  
Detroit: Its all Republicans now, they are Democrats in name only. They are not TRUE Democrats
 
2014-07-21 04:14:19 PM  

SigmaAlgebra: NuttierThanEver: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready


Agreed, I gotta believe that between Ford Field, Commerica Park and this that Detroit will see a better return on investment than most other cities that get bent over a barrel by sport franchise owners demanding a new city funded stadium

The same arguments are trotted out by the owners every time they want a new stadium, but the economic literature is pretty conclusive that sport stadium subsidies are a net economic drain on a community. I am unaware of even one study that has found otherwise. I seriously doubt that Detroit is any different from all other American cities that have tried this.


Detroit - the first major US city to declare bankruptcy, the city designed for 2 million people on a steady decline currently below 600,000, the city with a huge economic divide between the suburbs and downtown fostered on years of racism from all sides, the city that now has gigantic abandoned areas throughout downtown and residential areas that look like something out of Discovery channel's Life after People?  Yeah, Detroit actually is A LOT different than all other American cities that have tried this.
 
2014-07-21 04:16:06 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready


Little Caesars deep dish tops my hierarchy of chain pizza places.

It tops it because they are the only one I'll eat. I hate Papa John's ignorant ass. Dominos blows AIDS-infested goats. Pizza Hut is somewhat edible, but only if I'm not buying it and it happens to be there while I'm starving.

/three meat treat FTW
 
2014-07-21 04:19:09 PM  

fatalvenom: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready

Little Caesars deep dish tops my hierarchy of chain pizza places.

It tops it because they are the only one I'll eat. I hate Papa John's ignorant ass. Dominos blows AIDS-infested goats. Pizza Hut is somewhat edible, but only if I'm not buying it and it happens to be there while I'm starving.

/three meat treat FTW


I can't believe you infected those poor goats.
 
2014-07-21 04:19:58 PM  

great_tigers: bcroz: Kwame tried to be the next Coleman Young and failed.

That said, The Illich family has done remarkable things in Detroit.

/kinda tired of the douchenozzles that constantly bash Detroit

And you fed the trolls with your comment. People don't understand the multiple levels of problems and failures that have contributed to the demise of Detroit. The city will rebound. There needs to be sweeping changes but it will rebound.


I tried talking the ladyfriend into moving there. When you're down that low, the only direction you can go is up. Money flows to good ideas. Sound like a number of young entrepreneurs are attempting to bring positive change into the city. I see it as a way to make some bucks when the slow, gradual upswing takes place. She said hell no.
 
2014-07-21 04:24:07 PM  

mootmah: fatalvenom: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready

Little Caesars deep dish tops my hierarchy of chain pizza places.

It tops it because they are the only one I'll eat. I hate Papa John's ignorant ass. Dominos blows AIDS-infested goats. Pizza Hut is somewhat edible, but only if I'm not buying it and it happens to be there while I'm starving.

/three meat treat FTW

I can't believe you infected those poor goats.


To be fair, they did dress like dirty little donkey sluts. They were asking for it.
 
2014-07-21 04:25:47 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: SigmaAlgebra: NuttierThanEver: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready


Agreed, I gotta believe that between Ford Field, Commerica Park and this that Detroit will see a better return on investment than most other cities that get bent over a barrel by sport franchise owners demanding a new city funded stadium

The same arguments are trotted out by the owners every time they want a new stadium, but the economic literature is pretty conclusive that sport stadium subsidies are a net economic drain on a community. I am unaware of even one study that has found otherwise. I seriously doubt that Detroit is any different from all other American cities that have tried this.

Detroit - the first major US city to declare bankruptcy, the city designed for 2 million people on a steady decline currently below 600,000, the city with a huge economic divide between the suburbs and downtown fostered on years of racism from all sides, the city that now has gigantic abandoned areas throughout downtown and residential areas that look like something out of Discovery channel's Life after People?  Yeah, Detroit actually is A LOT different than all other American cities that have tried this.


Newark is pretty much Detroit on a smaller scale. The city gave the Devils $210 million to build the Prudential Center, and 7 years after its opening, downtown Newark is pretty much the same with the exception of an area about one block in each direction around the arena.
 
2014-07-21 04:30:30 PM  
Seattle Red Wings?
Portland Red Wings?

Makes more sense.
 
2014-07-21 04:40:05 PM  

SigmaAlgebra: Newark is pretty much Detroit on a smaller scale. The city gave the Devils $210 million to build the Prudential Center, and 7 years after its opening, downtown Newark is pretty much the same with the exception of an area about one block in each direction around the arena.


Listen - if you're not from Detroit and traveled around the country seeing the differences between the problems a modern city has and the mountain of difficulty in Detroit than you'll never understand.  Detroit is a festering pile of shiat and despite a small hipster revival in a few select neighborhoods there is nothing outside of massive reinvestment in infrastructure and industry that can resurrect the city.  With all due respect I've been to Newark and it is nothing like Detroit.  Sure it's an "inner city" but there isn't a clearly definable city landscape when you look at the racial makeup of the area.  This is Detroit:

debitage.net

You see that blue line at the top of the city?  That's 8 mile road, the traditional border between black people and white people.  That's the northern city limit.  See that giant white chunk in the upper right corner of the city.  That's another city: Grosse Pointe, or the bubble.  One side of the road is crack houses, the other is beautiful homes with good schools.  Detroit's situation isn't nearly as polarized as other parts of the country.  Race riots and 40 years of white flight, manufacturing decline, union cronyism and governmental corruption has desolated the land inside city limits.  Meanwhile Oakland County to the north is one of the wealthiest suburbs in NA.

Something has to be done to draw people with money from the suburbs into downtown.  Maybe even give some of the more adventurous ones a reason to relocate to downtown.  A giant passel of empty buildings right in the middle of what should be your downtown core sure isn't going to do that.  And without some public funds to crank start an economic revitalization, Detroit will stay abandoned.  Newark is rundown but it isn't abandoned.  Detroit is.
 
2014-07-21 04:54:17 PM  

mikaloyd: Detroit: Its all Republicans now, they are Democrats in name only. They are not TRUE Democrats


www.funfancydress.com

Seems legit.
 
2014-07-21 05:20:51 PM  
SigmaAlgebra:   Newark is pretty much Detroit on a smaller scale. The city gave the Devils $210 million to build the Prudential Center, and 7 years after its opening, downtown Newark is pretty much the same with the exception of an area about one block in each direction around the arena.

Which is EXACTLY what has happened with Ford Field, Comerica Park and this latest billionaire epic farkton of free cash for the Red Wings...1-2 blocks from the stadium will be decent, the rest complete and utter shiat.

Not only will the "Newark situation" happen in Detroit...it's already happened with the 2 other stadiums.

BTW, this isn't newly researched information...

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/regulation /2 000/7/coates.pdf
http://news.illinois.edu/news/04/1117stadiums.html
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/public-financing-of-private-sports- st adiums/
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/if-you-build-it- th ey-might-not-come-the-risky-economics-of-sports-stadiums/260900/
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-flee ce s-taxpayers/309448/
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/in-stadium-building-spree-u -s -taxpayers-lose-4-billion.html
http://dontmesswithtaxes.typepad.com/No_Public_Money_for_Stadia.pdf
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/stadiums-costs-outweighing-revenu e- potential/nQT7Q/
 
2014-07-21 05:25:36 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: SigmaAlgebra: Newark is pretty much Detroit on a smaller scale. The city gave the Devils $210 million to build the Prudential Center, and 7 years after its opening, downtown Newark is pretty much the same with the exception of an area about one block in each direction around the arena.

Listen - if you're not from Detroit and traveled around the country seeing the differences between the problems a modern city has and the mountain of difficulty in Detroit than you'll never understand.  Detroit is a festering pile of shiat and despite a small hipster revival in a few select neighborhoods there is nothing outside of massive reinvestment in infrastructure and industry that can resurrect the city.  With all due respect I've been to Newark and it is nothing like Detroit.  Sure it's an "inner city" but there isn't a clearly definable city landscape when you look at the racial makeup of the area.  This is Detroit:

[debitage.net image 600x343]

You see that blue line at the top of the city?  That's 8 mile road, the traditional border between black people and white people.  That's the northern city limit.  See that giant white chunk in the upper right corner of the city.  That's another city: Grosse Pointe, or the bubble.  One side of the road is crack houses, the other is beautiful homes with good schools.  Detroit's situation isn't nearly as polarized as other parts of the country.  Race riots and 40 years of white flight, manufacturing decline, union cronyism and governmental corruption has desolated the land inside city limits.  Meanwhile Oakland County to the north is one of the wealthiest suburbs in NA.

Something has to be done to draw people with money from the suburbs into downtown.  Maybe even give some of the more adventurous ones a reason to relocate to downtown.  A giant passel of empty buildings right in the middle of what should be your downtown core sure isn't going to do that.  And without some public funds to crank start an economic revitalization, Detroit ...


What is the story behind all the hazardous waste facilities on the map?
 
2014-07-21 05:41:19 PM  

Heliovdrake: Sin_City_Superhero: If we don't give millions of dollars to billionaires, they won't be able to piss on us, an we get no trickle-down. How do you not understand this?

Its more like food... see we have to put more food on the table, until some crumbs fall off for us...




Hmmmm. Detroit is ate up with dumbocrats and yet the squirrels in your head somehow convince you that this is a Republican issue? Are you living in a fantasy land?
 
2014-07-21 06:12:15 PM  

Masta Beta: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: SigmaAlgebra: Newark is pretty much Detroit on a smaller scale. The city gave the Devils $210 million to build the Prudential Center, and 7 years after its opening, downtown Newark is pretty much the same with the exception of an area about one block in each direction around the arena.

Listen - if you're not from Detroit and traveled around the country seeing the differences between the problems a modern city has and the mountain of difficulty in Detroit than you'll never understand.  Detroit is a festering pile of shiat and despite a small hipster revival in a few select neighborhoods there is nothing outside of massive reinvestment in infrastructure and industry that can resurrect the city.  With all due respect I've been to Newark and it is nothing like Detroit.  Sure it's an "inner city" but there isn't a clearly definable city landscape when you look at the racial makeup of the area.  This is Detroit:

[debitage.net image 600x343]

You see that blue line at the top of the city?  That's 8 mile road, the traditional border between black people and white people.  That's the northern city limit.  See that giant white chunk in the upper right corner of the city.  That's another city: Grosse Pointe, or the bubble.  One side of the road is crack houses, the other is beautiful homes with good schools.  Detroit's situation isn't nearly as polarized as other parts of the country.  Race riots and 40 years of white flight, manufacturing decline, union cronyism and governmental corruption has desolated the land inside city limits.  Meanwhile Oakland County to the north is one of the wealthiest suburbs in NA.

Something has to be done to draw people with money from the suburbs into downtown.  Maybe even give some of the more adventurous ones a reason to relocate to downtown.  A giant passel of empty buildings right in the middle of what should be your downtown core sure isn't going to do that.  And without some public funds to crank start an econom ...


Without looking for specifics and relying mostly on my knowledge of the area, reasonable guesses would include paint shops, plating companies, tool and die shops, railroad yards, electrical company sites, and other misc. light manufacturing.

Fun fact: before 1970, people and businesses weren't terribly careful with their waste.
 
2014-07-21 06:21:39 PM  
Don't forget Ilitch has admitted-is, indeed, proud of-having kept half of downtown Detroit in squalor by keeping buildings empty to slow real estate progress and, thus, keep his taxes low.
 
2014-07-21 06:55:09 PM  
 
2014-07-21 06:56:55 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Yeah, fark those "philanthropists" and their "charitable contributions".



The top 1% control roughly 40% of the nation's wealth yet comprise only 25% of all charitable contributions.  So there is a valid issue to be made that they are, with respect to their relative wealth, under-performing.
 
2014-07-21 06:59:32 PM  
I always thought this man ruled Detroit...
bmj2k.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-21 07:02:15 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready


I work in an organization in Baltimore (Detroit East) where we have to confirm peoples addresses with utility bills that they bring in and show us. I almost never see one that's current and the water and electrical bills usually have balances over $700. I mean, how do you even build up a $700 water bill?
 
2014-07-21 07:06:56 PM  

Starshines: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Just a side note: those people in Detroit would have plenty of water if they didn't spend their money on rims and cell phones instead of paying their damn utility bills.  There are more than enough programs set up to help those with legitimate need.

Also, this isn't a normal city with a thriving downtown.  This is a ghosttown and someone needs to bite the bullet investing in the revitalization.  If Illitch needs public funds to augment his own investment and risk, then so be it.  Instead the morans abroad paint the guy as a modern day robber baron.

/I even like Little Caesars  square deep dish hot-n-ready

I work in an organization in Baltimore (Detroit East) where we have to confirm peoples addresses with utility bills that they bring in and show us. I almost never see one that's current and the water and electrical bills usually have balances over $700. I mean, how do you even build up a $700 water bill?


You spend all your money on Air Jordans, luxury brand clothing/accessories, crack and cell phones.
 
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