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(io9)   Finally, some compelling science: It's not just you, the government really is getting dumber every year   (io9.com) divider line 58
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2014-07-21 12:25:35 PM  
That's the stupidest thing I've read in ages.  He took 41 completely random news stories of the last 14 years, blames them all on "The Government", ranks them by media coverage, then makes some fancy Excel charts and pretends it all means something.

Obama literally gets dinged the same amount for a couple Secret Service agents getting drunk as Bush does for 9/11 or the financial collapse.

Some random person's Medicaid or SSDI paperwork getting lost is literally more of a tragic "government failure" than some of the things on this list.
 
2014-07-21 12:31:33 PM  
Yes. The healthcare.gov website not working correctly at launch is on the same level as 9/11. I knew i09 was a gaggle of waterheads, but I had no idea the Brookings Institution was so stupid.
 
2014-07-21 02:12:54 PM  
Bush had:

1. 9/11
2. Katrina
3. We f*cking tortured people
4. Global recession

Perhaps magnitude matters at least as much as frequency?
 
2014-07-21 03:43:14 PM  
Must... fight... urge... to... click.

Phew.
 
2014-07-21 03:43:51 PM  
Are you saying I'm getting dumber?

I mean I am, but you don't have to say it. Oh look. Something shiney.
 
2014-07-21 03:44:21 PM  
Wow. His research methods look really objective.
 
2014-07-21 03:44:26 PM  
whew!  And I thought I was the only one getting dumber every year.
 
2014-07-21 03:45:42 PM  
Considering the baseline they started with, this can't be good.
 
2014-07-21 03:46:26 PM  
There wasn't any toilet paper in the stall today, which is equal to one 9/11.
 
2014-07-21 03:47:24 PM  

Sid_6.7: 3. We f*cking tortured people


Yeah, we had definitely never done that before.
 
2014-07-21 03:47:32 PM  
s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-07-21 03:47:47 PM  
"It was a helluva pinpoint operation - we gotta go tonight, John"


Hehehehehehehehe.
 
2014-07-21 03:48:10 PM  
I feel the voting public deserves as much blame as any, as they keep re-electing the same shmucks.
 
2014-07-21 03:48:14 PM  
You mean the approach of candidates saying "The government sucks so vote for me so I can prove it to you" isn't working?
 
2014-07-21 03:48:59 PM  

Jaden Smith First of His Name: There wasn't any toilet paper in the stall today, which is equal to one 9/11.


How many Rhode Islands is that?
 
2014-07-21 03:49:15 PM  
In the past three decades, the average number of epic fails has grown from 1.6 to 3.0 remained stable at 365¼ per year.
 
2014-07-21 03:50:30 PM  

dookdookdook: That's the stupidest thing I've read in ages.  He took 41 completely random news stories of the last 14 years, blames them all on "The Government", ranks them by media coverage, then makes some fancy Excel charts and pretends it all means something.

Obama literally gets dinged the same amount for a couple Secret Service agents getting drunk as Bush does for 9/11 or the financial collapse.

Some random person's Medicaid or SSDI paperwork getting lost is literally more of a tragic "government failure" than some of the things on this list.


Over in one. Note that the size of the circles on his graphic indicates the level of "media interest". So one could argue that government hasn't changed much, but the farking media has lost touch with reality.
 
2014-07-21 03:52:15 PM  
Didn't click on the link, because I'm actually not stupid.

"The government" is getting dumber, submitter?

Are you sure it's not just you?
 
2014-07-21 03:53:31 PM  
You know; The Gubbamint. That massive uncontrollable entity that you voted for.
 
2014-07-21 03:54:17 PM  

macadamnut: In the past three decades, the average number of epic fails has grown from 1.6 to 3.0 remained stable at 365¼ per year.


Hey, the government can't fail EVERY day if it gets shut down for portions of the year!
 
2014-07-21 03:55:06 PM  

blatz514: Jaden Smith First of His Name: There wasn't any toilet paper in the stall today, which is equal to one 9/11.

How many Rhode Islands is that?


'Bout six, which is about an eighth of a hogshead.
 
2014-07-21 03:55:15 PM  
I guess we reached out intellectual peak during the great military victory in Grenada.
 
2014-07-21 03:56:19 PM  
professormortis.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-21 03:56:31 PM  
They're super good at taking our money, so there's that.
 
2014-07-21 03:58:29 PM  
'Cause women gots the right to vote?

/DRTFA
 
2014-07-21 03:59:17 PM  
and a Government is a reflection of Its electorate.
 
2014-07-21 04:01:12 PM  
I don't care how dumb the government keeps getting, just as long as things remain the same for me.

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2014-07-21 04:03:42 PM  
Finally, some compelling science:
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-21 04:04:05 PM  

dookdookdook: That's the stupidest thing I've read in ages.


Finally, some compelling science.  It's not just you, private nonprofit organizations devoted to independent research and innovative policy solutions really are getting dumber every year.
 
2014-07-21 04:07:29 PM  
It is the nature of ALL bureaucratic beasts. In the beginning, they're effective, agile, competent. Then they get big, bloated, unresponsive, mired in ever more complicated "procedures" until they collapse. See: Soviet Union. See also: NASA. Can't put together a simple replacement spacecraft for the shuttle for YEARS. Meanwhile, SpaceX is going gangbusters. It's a young organization and hasn't bloated and degraded yet.

The same is coming to federal and state government. Entropy, man, can't avoid it. At some point, the government will be so clogged up with bureaucratic inertia that it *will* stop functioning. Afterwards follows the collapse, and hopefully, a successful reboot....

Which of course illustrates why massive government power and centralization should be avoided. It inevitably causes massive breakdown. Keep government small and decentralized and the impact of individual bureaucratic breakdowns is minimalized....
 
2014-07-21 04:09:28 PM  
FTFA: ranked the 41 most significant government failures between 2001 and 2014.

How, exactly, does that date range allow one to comment on Reagan, Bush-41, or Clinton?
 
2014-07-21 04:11:45 PM  

mark12A: It is the nature of ALL bureaucratic beasts. In the beginning, they're effective, agile, competent. Then they get big, bloated, unresponsive, mired in ever more complicated "procedures" until they collapse. See: Soviet Union. See also: NASA. Can't put together a simple replacement spacecraft for the shuttle for YEARS. Meanwhile, SpaceX is going gangbusters. It's a young organization and hasn't bloated and degraded yet.

The same is coming to federal and state government. Entropy, man, can't avoid it. At some point, the government will be so clogged up with bureaucratic inertia that it *will* stop functioning. Afterwards follows the collapse, and hopefully, a successful reboot....

Which of course illustrates why massive government power and centralization should be avoided. It inevitably causes massive breakdown. Keep government small and decentralized and the impact of individual bureaucratic breakdowns is minimalized....


i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-21 04:13:42 PM  

Cagey B: Yes. The healthcare.gov website not working correctly at launch is on the same level as 9/11. I knew i09 was a gaggle of waterheads, but I had no idea the Brookings Institution was so stupid.


Working for a "think tank" must be a great gig.  You can pretty much just make stuff up and people will pretend to take it seriously.  Where do I apply?
 
2014-07-21 04:16:26 PM  
Both parties were responsible for the ongoing schoolyard brawl, though each contributed to government's rising tally of failures in its own way. Democrats failed to fix the problem and Republicans did everything in their power to make it worse.
 
2014-07-21 04:22:41 PM  

Cagey B: Yes. The healthcare.gov website not working correctly at launch is on the same level as 9/11. I knew i09 was a gaggle of waterheads, but I had no idea the Brookings Institution was so stupid.


Dont liberals claim 2300 die every year from lack of health insurance? By CBO estimates, due to the website failures 8 million less people signed up.
 
2014-07-21 04:23:19 PM  

Sid_6.7: Bush had:

1. 9/11
2. Katrina
3. We f*cking tortured people
4. Global recession

Perhaps magnitude matters at least as much as frequency?


Amazing how each of those was purely the fault of the President. 100%
 
2014-07-21 04:24:55 PM  

mark12A: It is the nature of ALL bureaucratic beasts. In the beginning, they're effective, agile, competent. Then they get big, bloated, unresponsive, mired in ever more complicated "procedures" until they collapse. See: Soviet Union. See also: NASA. Can't put together a simple replacement spacecraft for the shuttle for YEARS. Meanwhile, SpaceX is going gangbusters. It's a young organization and hasn't bloated and degraded yet.

The same is coming to federal and state government. Entropy, man, can't avoid it. At some point, the government will be so clogged up with bureaucratic inertia that it *will* stop functioning. Afterwards follows the collapse, and hopefully, a successful reboot....

Which of course illustrates why massive government power and centralization should be avoided. It inevitably causes massive breakdown. Keep government small and decentralized and the impact of individual bureaucratic breakdowns is minimalized....


Asimov wrote a pretty good sci fi series on these points.
 
2014-07-21 04:28:33 PM  

Trance750: I feel the voting public deserves as much blame as any, as they keep re-electing the same shmucks.


And HERE is where the problem is.

People keep saying that without realizing how BIG of a problem that actually is.
We, the people, are not given a choice but to vote for whoever the people in power give us to vote for.  In other words, you have a choice of Rep or Dem.  And that's it.  You cannot even choose which Rep or Dem.  They, who are already IN power, decide that.
They make it seem like you have control over that by running primary elections.  That's where you get to choose between 2 or 3 people THEY choose for you to choose.  In other other words, you have no choice.

Sure, you can vote for a party outside of those two.  But unless you get a few million of your closest friends to do the same thing, you are wasting your vote.

So people keep spouting off the same thing about how "we elect the same schmucks" without realizing that we simply have no other choice.

Or, as I like to put it, our democracy is completely broken.  We essentially have one big party that pretends to be split in 2, and lets us think that we are actually voting for people.  Individual people that can make a difference.  But we're not.  We are voting for millionaire figureheads and nothing more.  And not a single one of them, not even the POTUS, has any more power than the others.  It's like putting a new piece of fruit on top of a million cheesecakes, and expecting the ALL of the cheesecakes to taste different.
 
2014-07-21 04:30:02 PM  
ct.fra.bz
 
2014-07-21 04:31:24 PM  

MyRandomName: Sid_6.7: Bush had:

1. 9/11
2. Katrina
3. We f*cking tortured people
4. Global recession

Perhaps magnitude matters at least as much as frequency?

Amazing how each of those was purely the fault of the that President. 100%


Because, you know, Clinton didn't fail to pursue the 9/11 architect after the first WTC bombing.  Or sign NAFTA.  Or repeal Glass-Steagall.

They are all complicit.  Quit treating politics like a sporting event.
 
2014-07-21 04:33:04 PM  
You have the government you elected, and therefore deserve.

/don't vote
//permanent resident
///I pay taxes so I still get to biatch
 
2014-07-21 04:35:00 PM  

Raoul Eaton: Cagey B: Yes. The healthcare.gov website not working correctly at launch is on the same level as 9/11. I knew i09 was a gaggle of waterheads, but I had no idea the Brookings Institution was so stupid.

Working for a "think tank" must be a great gig.  You can pretty much just make stuff up and people will pretend to take it seriously.  Where do I apply?


Well....consider it. They sit in a building and think. Perhaps underwater, I'm not sure. Statistically speaking, at least some of their thoughts would have to be stupid.
 
2014-07-21 04:36:37 PM  
Light argues that the cascade of government failures mirrors other trends over the past three decades, including the steady aging of the federal government's infrastructure and workforce, growing dependence on outside contractors, an ever-thickening hierarchy, dwindling funds, presidential disengagement and political posturing.

Aging infrastructure and outsourcing. Where have I heard that before?
 
2014-07-21 04:37:32 PM  
fixed that chart for you

i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-21 04:43:55 PM  
I didn't read TFA but it sounds racist.
 
2014-07-21 05:08:14 PM  
This is why I read comments before clicking the weirder stories around here.
 
2014-07-21 05:36:48 PM  
Well, duh.  A sizable chunk of the electorate believes that government can't ever work at all for anything ever, and are setting out to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Then when politicians with this mindset get elected, they sabotage government functions at every opportunity, which reinforces the electorate's belief that government can't work.
 
2014-07-21 06:15:54 PM  

Sid_6.7: Bush had:

1. 9/11
2. Katrina
3. We f*cking tortured people
4. Global recession

Perhaps magnitude matters at least as much as frequency?


Collapse and intentional ruin of Western Civilization by the guy from Chicago. In case you hadn't noticed.
 
2014-07-21 07:11:37 PM  

Trayal: Well, duh.  A sizable chunk of the electorate believes that government can't ever work at all for anything ever, and are setting out to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy.  Then when politicians with this mindset get elected, they sabotage government functions at every opportunity, which reinforces the electorate's belief that government can't work. needs to be everywhere at every time.  Law of Averages, Folks.


Just as applicable.
 
2014-07-21 07:35:16 PM  

Trayal: Then when politicians with this mindset get elected


So you're saying there are different mindsets among people who have chosen to pursue careers in politics.

You're wrong.
 
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