bunner: wesmon: Hmm. Double quote, That's a new one.Yeah, I've had that happen a couple times. As far as your point, it's difficult to disagree with but that seems to be the base motivation for most of them.
wesmon: bunner: Print this out and tape it to your fridge. It is the only extant large scale truth in America.I mean, this. Period"NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MATTERS MORE IN AMERICA THAN MOVING MONEY AROUND AND IN THE DIRECTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE MOST OF IT."Period. Not you, not your family, not your job, not your property, not the laws, not the constitution, not the people we elect to govern, nada. Zilch. Bupkiss. Money. Period. And that's what 90% of the threads on this site are about, Charlie Brown.Right, and the prison population is a byproduct of this. We don't have the huge prison population because of the industries that have sprouted up to parasite off of it.The actual reason we lock up so many is because they are superfluous labor. Maintaining that "natural rate of unemployment": and the wage insecurity that keeps wages low necessitates a percentage of the population without work and we have to put them somewhere.
wesmon: bunner: wesmon: Hmm. Double quote, That's a new one.Yeah, I've had that happen a couple times. As far as your point, it's difficult to disagree with but that seems to be the base motivation for most of them.This issue of using the police and the prisons to lock up the excess labor force to maintain our system of capitalism was at the heart of David Simon's show The Wire. I give him credit for being able to get that on to TV, yet the central point seemed to go right over the heads of most who watched it.
Cast: I blame NWA.
IRQ12: The politicians who make the laws are corrupt, the prosecutors who prosecute them are corrupt, the police who enforce them are corrupt, the jailers who jail people are corrupt...etc.
bunner: "As soon as something becomes primarily about money, whatever it is purported to be about is what it used to be about."
Cynicism101: Jim_Callahan: twenty goddamned percent chance of being sent to jail/prison at some point.Here are some numbers showing just how racist the whole system is: www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/Llgsfp.pdfSo, 28.5% chance for black men, 4.4% for white men. I'm definitely going to pull this stat out next time someone tells me systemic racism is dead.
Cast: Modern urban culture has a large share of blame. When you are on the 2nd generation of glorifying a criminal lifestyle over 'workin for the man', you are going to have high unemployment and crime rates. Thug life emulation has a large share of the responsibility for the current state of affairs.I blame NWA. The world needs more Pharrel Williams "Happy" and less Dre "Natural Born Killaz".But hey, it's the white man keepin ya'll down, encouraging you to murder each other, right?
moothemagiccow: Serious Black: He hit the nail on the head when he noted that the reason nobody in power wants to fix this problem is nobody in power expects they or anyone they know will ever go to prison.So what's the point of the show? Pretty much every big topic he's covered comes out like that. Oh, look at how farked up this thing is. Oh well, onto the next episode. It's about as useful as reading Fark.
Potter82: A lot of childish but effective fear mongering will follow with such phrases as "soft on crime" being floated around. After this chips away at his or her poll numbers a bit, he or she will back pedal and overcompensate and the real problem will be left to fester. This same crap happens whenever someone proposes that maybe, just maybe, the US shouldn't be spending more on its military than the next 20 or so countries combined.
bunner: Print this out and tape it to your fridge. It is the only extant large scale truth in America.I mean, this. Period"NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MATTERS MORE IN AMERICA THAN MOVING MONEY AROUND AND IN THE DIRECTION OF THE PEOPLE WHO ALREADY HAVE MOST OF IT."
LegacyDL: Here's my problem with show's like Oliver's, Daily Show, Maher, etc: Peeking out from your Ivory Tower doesn't really help. Calling out the fact that the Emperor doesn't wear any clothes doesn't help. Shows like these simply serve as court jesters, where they can make fun of the establishment because they're clowns but any effort to be serious results in their own downfall (Maher and 9/11 for example).If these hosts are serious in their endeavors they need to cut it with the dark humor. Life isn't a Monty Python sketch. If they're so concerned about the public welfare or pointing out wrongs they need to climb off their intellectual mountain and do something. Sitting around the campfire exchanging ideologies isn't cutting it anymore.
HMS_Blinkin: moothemagiccow: Serious Black: He hit the nail on the head when he noted that the reason nobody in power wants to fix this problem is nobody in power expects they or anyone they know will ever go to prison.So what's the point of the show? Pretty much every big topic he's covered comes out like that. Oh, look at how farked up this thing is. Oh well, onto the next episode. It's about as useful as reading Fark.Getting people informed is not "pointless." Reading Fark or watching John Oliver isn't pointless (except when I read Fark when I'm supposed to be working I guess), since readers/viewers are exposed to new information on topics relevant to our society today.In particular, the HBO crowd (who mostly are the people who expect that they or anyone they know will never go to prison) needs to hear this message. Will it spark change? Probably not, but maybe. And there's no harm in shining as bright a light as possible on some of society's nastiest problems.
falconne: That's how stable democracy works; gradual change over many years. It doesn't just go from "What's the point, nothing ever gets done." to "Overthrow the establishment!"
bunner: nobody has come up with anything resembling a good idea, lately.
LegacyDL: Courtney Love's Genital Warts: Have you watched John Oliver's show?Yes I have, and yes he does touch on topics that are indeed issues that I do not question. My problem is that at the end of the day speaking on these topics and bringing them to people's attention is nice, but what then? I don't see people in the streets demanding action (with the exception of that lesbian from Uganda to my knowledge), people simply laugh and go "Oh my goodness, that is so true."Last week he spoke on income inequality, and a few weeks prior it was the corruption within FIFA. I mean watching his show is like reading The New Yorker combined with The Economist. I just don't like intellectual circle jerking.
WhyteRaven74: bunner: nobody has come up with anything resembling a good idea, lately.Lots of people have actually. Just that some suffer from the worst ad hominem attacks in human history and others get brushed off or ignored for a whole host of other reasons.
Pumpernickel bread: Jim_Callahan:, but we know that the average sentence length in the US is 29 yearsCant possible be right. I would cross check that statement with a credible source.Average human life-span's about 70 years, so 0.3% per year over 70 years gives you a twenty goddamned percent chance of being sent to jail/prison at some point.Prison and jail are two very different things. Probably shouldn't lump them together.
thisispete: still males* me giggle
bunner: So far, when it comes to a tidy society of more than three people, the whole of humanity couldn't run a dry cleaners MAKE A HAM SAMMICH without arsing it up. I think we should do a study on this. My money is on "hubris, vanity and greed".
mama2tnt: couldn't run a dry cleaners MAKE A HAM SAMMICH without arsing it up.
doubled99: He's kinda funny but beginning to head into Olberman territory
HMS_Blinkin: And there's no harm in shining as bright a light as possible on some of society's nastiest problems.
wesmon: Not too long ago, homosexuality and marijuana were demons for the majority of the population. That changed over time. not because everyone now is a gay pot smoker but because of a shift in the consensus of opinion.
moothemagiccow: the only victory progressives have had over the past ten years
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