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2014-07-21 09:08:07 AM  
Yes, because the latest Yellow Peril crap is going to gain the hafu vote...
 
2014-07-21 09:24:21 AM  

hubiestubert: Yes, because the latest Yellow Peril crap is going to gain the hafu vote...


Among my friends at least, in the last 10 years, they've not just lost Asian voters in general, but they've also lost Asian voters who were Republicans 10 years ago.
 
2014-07-21 09:38:24 AM  
FTFA: "The spinoff is that other voters - swing and moderates - like inclusive and optimistic candidates," said former congressman Thomas Davis III, known for his ties to Asians in Northern Virginia's 11th Congressional District. "They don't like people who are polarizing."

Wikipedia: Davis
[was] Chairman of the House Government Reform Committee. Among notable recent controversies involving the committee under Davis was in the Terri Schiavo case. The committee subpoena, signed by Davis, ordered the appearance of Schiavo, her husband, Michael, and her doctors. The subpoenas specified that the witnesses bring to the hearing "all medical and other equipment that provides nutrition and hydration...in its current and continuing state of operations."

Yup. Not a polarizing figure at all. He'll lead them back to victory.
 
2014-07-21 09:58:31 AM  
Eh, anythings possible, the Governor's race in Hawaii has moved from being Safe for the Democrats to being a toss up, although that has more to do with the fact that the current governors is corrupt and there's a third party candidate that will split the Dem's votes there pretty evenly, then any sort of referendum towards the GOP.
 
2014-07-21 10:06:44 AM  
Yeah, that'll work. Just talk even more about how hard-working Asians are and how that makes them natural conservatives.
 
2014-07-21 10:12:01 AM  
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democr a ts-104763.html

Here's a very good article from Politico Magazine about why the GOP's having such problems attracting Asian voters. The article jives with my general experiences.
 
2014-07-21 10:12:30 AM  
I suspect some strategerist in the RNC is operating on the premise that with the hive mentality that all Orientals have, they're natural GOPers.
 
2014-07-21 10:23:43 AM  

RexTalionis: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democr a ts-104763.html

Here's a very good article from Politico Magazine about why the GOP's having such problems attracting Asian voters. The article jives with my general experiences.


While I agree with most of what this article says, I would wait another election cycle or two before declaring that the GOP has totally lost the Asian vote the same way they lost the Hispanic and African American vote. Obama's strong ties to Hawaii obviously put him at an advantage with that demographic, in 2004 it was a lot closer 43% for Bush to 56% for Kerry, so it's possible the gap may narrow again in 2016 when Obama isn't on the ballot anymore.
 
2014-07-21 10:26:46 AM  

RexTalionis: hubiestubert: Yes, because the latest Yellow Peril crap is going to gain the hafu vote...

Among my friends at least, in the last 10 years, they've not just lost Asian voters in general, but they've also lost Asian voters who were Republicans 10 years ago.


I'm one of them. While I was never a straight party line voter, I had hoped to temper the Idiot Right, but that just wasn't possible. The GOP is not a place for much sanity at this point. They keep ejecting the folks who I would have voted for, and leaped on policies that are not just poor Conservatism, they are radicalized and reactionary. The GOP is not a home for anything resembling considered thought at this point.
 
2014-07-21 10:37:10 AM  

hubiestubert: I'm one of them. While I was never a straight party line voter, I had hoped to temper the Idiot Right, but that just wasn't possible. The GOP is not a place for much sanity at this point. They keep ejecting the folks who I would have voted for, and leaped on policies that are not just poor Conservatism, they are radicalized and reactionary. The GOP is not a home for anything resembling considered thought at this point.


I have a Korean-American friend who went from a student delegate to the 2004 GOP Nominating Convention to being so absolutely not GOP in less than 4 years.

From my Indian-American friends, even the few South Asian candidates that the GOP has like Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley, engender resentment because they had to completely brush away everything of their heritage (for example, changing their names to be more Americanized, or converting to a religion more acceptable to GOP voters) in order to win. I don't know how rational that is, but the resentment exists.
 
2014-07-21 11:40:41 AM  
...trying to woo back the Asian vote...

cinemajaw.com

Sees what you did there, Subby.
 
2014-07-21 11:47:33 AM  

RexTalionis: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democr a ts-104763.html

Here's a very good article from Politico Magazine about why the GOP's having such problems attracting Asian voters. The article jives with my general experiences.


Good read is good. TY for the linkage.

...in 1992, Bill Clinton captured just 36 percent of the Asian American vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama won 73 percent of the Asian American vote, exceeding his support among Hispanics (71 percent) and women (55 percent).


I wasn't aware that Obama had won so big with Asian Americans in 2012.  Guess the GOP's non stop minority outreach program is going through a rough patch for some mysterious reason.
 
2014-07-21 11:53:32 AM  
Wu?
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-21 11:55:52 AM  
Someone say WU

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-07-21 11:57:47 AM  
Hey ya'll Asians got yours right? Let's talk about the screw you part, well not you specifically but those that don't have theirs.
 
2014-07-21 11:58:15 AM  
What wooing may look like...

cache.desktopnexus.com
 
2014-07-21 12:00:16 PM  
If you main platform is Socialism = Evil, then don't scratch your head when Chinese Americans aren't voting for you.
 
2014-07-21 12:01:07 PM  

RexTalionis: hubiestubert: I'm one of them. While I was never a straight party line voter, I had hoped to temper the Idiot Right, but that just wasn't possible. The GOP is not a place for much sanity at this point. They keep ejecting the folks who I would have voted for, and leaped on policies that are not just poor Conservatism, they are radicalized and reactionary. The GOP is not a home for anything resembling considered thought at this point.

I have a Korean-American friend who went from a student delegate to the 2004 GOP Nominating Convention to being so absolutely not GOP in less than 4 years.

From my Indian-American friends, even the few South Asian candidates that the GOP has like Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley, engender resentment because they had to completely brush away everything of their heritage (for example, changing their names to be more Americanized, or converting to a religion more acceptable to GOP voters) in order to win. I don't know how rational that is, but the resentment exists.


Seems very rational to me.  If I were in their place, I wouldn't want to feel like I had to change my name or religion in order to be acceptable for public service.
 
2014-07-21 12:02:28 PM  
Republicans are trying to woo back the Asian vote in end run play to gain back moderate white vote

I see what you did there, Subby.
 
2014-07-21 12:03:10 PM  
Oh I get it. This is a strategy to tell white moderates that the GOP isn't racist.
 
2014-07-21 12:03:14 PM  

quatchi: RexTalionis: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democr a ts-104763.html

Here's a very good article from Politico Magazine about why the GOP's having such problems attracting Asian voters. The article jives with my general experiences.

Good read is good. TY for the linkage.

...in 1992, Bill Clinton captured just 36 percent of the Asian American vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama won 73 percent of the Asian American vote, exceeding his support among Hispanics (71 percent) and women (55 percent).

I wasn't aware that Obama had won so big with Asian Americans in 2012.  Guess the GOP's non stop minority outreach program is going through a rough patch for some mysterious reason.


Maybe they just need new uniforms when they campaign...

i301.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-21 12:04:23 PM  
Republicans are trying to woo back the Asian vote in end run play to gain back moderate white vote

cdn-premiere.ladmedia.fr

I see what you did there, Subby.

/sorry...stupid editor
 
2014-07-21 12:05:22 PM  
Oh jeez that's it. I'm going to bed. sorry everybody.
 
2014-07-21 12:07:36 PM  
I dunno, based on the private prisons, mobile execution vans, the lack of services for the  poor, the terrible working conditions and child labor that the GOP is right up the alley of your typical Chinese person politically speaking.
 
2014-07-21 12:09:43 PM  

spman: Eh, anythings possible, the Governor's race in Hawaii has moved from being Safe for the Democrats to being a toss up, although that has more to do with the fact that the current governors is corrupt and there's a third party candidate that will split the Dem's votes there pretty evenly, then any sort of referendum towards the GOP.


Hawaii governor corrupt!?  That's unpossi . . . wait . . . right. 

More fun right now is the shiatshow of a senate race.
 
2014-07-21 12:09:56 PM  

someonelse: Wu?
[img.fark.net image 225x300]


No, Wu:
akcdn.okccdn.com

// not pictured: a guy who built the railroads
 
2014-07-21 12:09:56 PM  
Jackpot777:  Maybe they just need new uniforms when they campaign...

[i301.photobucket.com image 850x642]


You do realize, of course, that you noticing the GOP's xenophobic mono-culturalism is you being the real racist here!

/Study it out!
//Hey, I think I may just invented a word there.
///Third slashie is best slashie.
 
2014-07-21 12:10:21 PM  

Jackpot777: quatchi: RexTalionis: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/asian-americans-democr a ts-104763.html

Here's a very good article from Politico Magazine about why the GOP's having such problems attracting Asian voters. The article jives with my general experiences.

Good read is good. TY for the linkage.

...in 1992, Bill Clinton captured just 36 percent of the Asian American vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama won 73 percent of the Asian American vote, exceeding his support among Hispanics (71 percent) and women (55 percent).

I wasn't aware that Obama had won so big with Asian Americans in 2012.  Guess the GOP's non stop minority outreach program is going through a rough patch for some mysterious reason.

Maybe they just need new uniforms when they campaign...

[i301.photobucket.com image 850x642]


And the GOP wonders why they repel minorities.
 
2014-07-21 12:12:17 PM  
She's volunteering to GOTV:

resources3.news.com.au

/hot
 
2014-07-21 12:15:30 PM  
"I like attending your festivals" is perhaps the very least step you could possibly take towards minority outreach
 
2014-07-21 12:20:39 PM  
riosadventure.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-21 12:24:02 PM  

DamnYankees: Yeah, that'll work. Just talk even more about how hard-working Asians are and how that makes them natural conservatives.


If the GOP was smart (ha!), they could use De Blasio's dog-whistle anti-Asian comments w/r/t Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, etc... to try to rally/scare Asian-Americans against "liberals." But that would require a little bit of a nuanced argument, so it won't happen.
 
2014-07-21 12:25:29 PM  

RexTalionis: From my Indian-American friends, even the few South Asian candidates that the GOP has like Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley, engender resentment because they had to completely brush away everything of their heritage (for example, changing their names to be more Americanized, or converting to a religion more acceptable to GOP voters) in order to win. I don't know how rational that is, but the resentment exists.


As an immigrant, I agree that this kind of resentment definitely does exist.  I am in my early 30s, came to the US in my teens, and I did feel pressure to anglicize my name, particularly having moved to a southern state.  I don't entirely blame Jindal or Haley for this because I do feel that only in the past decade, Americans at large have become truly comfortable with multiculturalism, and that still depends on your neck of the woods.

I certainly felt obligated to assimilate, perhaps more than what was fair, in order to create opportunities for myself - employers are less likely to hire somebody if they don't know how to pronounce their name.  Hell, back in Kentucky, I heard people openly discuss in polite conversation how they felt less inclined to hire somebody if they had names like "Kaneesha".  I do find that now, the younger generations are less inclined to anglicize their names or customs, but that's only because of us that came before them that had to make sacrifices to create those conditions.
 
2014-07-21 12:29:12 PM  

Zerochance: RexTalionis: From my Indian-American friends, even the few South Asian candidates that the GOP has like Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley, engender resentment because they had to completely brush away everything of their heritage (for example, changing their names to be more Americanized, or converting to a religion more acceptable to GOP voters) in order to win. I don't know how rational that is, but the resentment exists.

As an immigrant, I agree that this kind of resentment definitely does exist.  I am in my early 30s, came to the US in my teens, and I did feel pressure to anglicize my name, particularly having moved to a southern state.  I don't entirely blame Jindal or Haley for this because I do feel that only in the past decade, Americans at large have become truly comfortable with multiculturalism, and that still depends on your neck of the woods.

I certainly felt obligated to assimilate, perhaps more than what was fair, in order to create opportunities for myself - employers are less likely to hire somebody if they don't know how to pronounce their name.  Hell, back in Kentucky, I heard people openly discuss in polite conversation how they felt less inclined to hire somebody if they had names like "Kaneesha".  I do find that now, the younger generations are less inclined to anglicize their names or customs, but that's only because of us that came before them that had to make sacrifices to create those conditions.


I intentionally kept my unpronounceable ethnic name (it's got a triphthong!) despite the fact that I had the option of changing it when I naturalized. I refuse to change because I'm a stubborn man.

/Also early 30s.
 
2014-07-21 12:33:11 PM  

RexTalionis: Zerochance: RexTalionis: From my Indian-American friends, even the few South Asian candidates that the GOP has like Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley, engender resentment because they had to completely brush away everything of their heritage (for example, changing their names to be more Americanized, or converting to a religion more acceptable to GOP voters) in order to win. I don't know how rational that is, but the resentment exists.

As an immigrant, I agree that this kind of resentment definitely does exist.  I am in my early 30s, came to the US in my teens, and I did feel pressure to anglicize my name, particularly having moved to a southern state.  I don't entirely blame Jindal or Haley for this because I do feel that only in the past decade, Americans at large have become truly comfortable with multiculturalism, and that still depends on your neck of the woods.

I certainly felt obligated to assimilate, perhaps more than what was fair, in order to create opportunities for myself - employers are less likely to hire somebody if they don't know how to pronounce their name.  Hell, back in Kentucky, I heard people openly discuss in polite conversation how they felt less inclined to hire somebody if they had names like "Kaneesha".  I do find that now, the younger generations are less inclined to anglicize their names or customs, but that's only because of us that came before them that had to make sacrifices to create those conditions.

I intentionally kept my unpronounceable ethnic name (it's got a triphthong!) despite the fact that I had the option of changing it when I naturalized. I refuse to change because I'm a stubborn man.

/Also early 30s.


So does everyone (who is not Chinese) just mispronounce your name?  It's not quite the same, but when I go to Mexico I go by a Spanish version of my name since many of the locals have trouble pronouncing my name.
 
2014-07-21 12:35:29 PM  

Graffito: So does everyone (who is not Chinese) just mispronounce your name? It's not quite the same, but when I go to Mexico I go by a Spanish version of my name since many of the locals have trouble pronouncing my name.


Almost all native English speakers mispronounce my name upon reading it. The triphthong used in my name is a combination of vowel sounds that does not exist in English (although it exists in other Western languages, like, say, Italian), so even the sound is difficult for English-speakers to fathom.
 
2014-07-21 12:42:05 PM  
""You always have a seat at the table with the Republican Party," said Comstock"

Of course that table will be back in the kitchen, but hey it's a table at least.
 
2014-07-21 12:44:23 PM  
Republicans will get help from a source that has historically been democratic - blacks.  The large influx of Mexicans and South Americans won't be descending upon affluent white communities, but traditionally black ones.  They won't be competing with whites for skilled jobs, but with blacks for unskilled jobs.  May not actually vote for Republicans in increasingly large numbers, but the disaffectation will likely cause them not to turn out for democrats like they normally would.  Add to that, there has been a strong migration of whites to the Republican party.  In 2008, most whites were democrats.  Now, they are across the board republicans, even those making less than 30k.  I don't expect any appreciable shift in the Asian vote from past elections.
 
2014-07-21 12:53:50 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Republicans will get help from a source that has historically been democratic - blacks.  The large influx of Mexicans and South Americans won't be descending upon affluent white communities, but traditionally black ones.  They won't be competing with whites for skilled jobs, but with blacks for unskilled jobs.  May not actually vote for Republicans in increasingly large numbers, but the disaffectation will likely cause them not to turn out for democrats like they normally would.  Add to that, there has been a strong migration of whites to the Republican party.  In 2008, most whites were democrats.  Now, they are across the board republicans, even those making less than 30k.  I don't expect any appreciable shift in the Asian vote from past elections.


Yes, this "large influx of Mexians and South Americans," which is a totally new phenomenon and hasn't been happening for almost 40 years, will have a huge affect on the black Democratic base NOW.
 
2014-07-21 12:54:24 PM  
Asians; keep in mind, if there's another war with Japan Republicans will be in favor of locking you up.  All of you.
 
2014-07-21 12:54:36 PM  

RexTalionis: hubiestubert: I'm one of them. While I was never a straight party line voter, I had hoped to temper the Idiot Right, but that just wasn't possible. The GOP is not a place for much sanity at this point. They keep ejecting the folks who I would have voted for, and leaped on policies that are not just poor Conservatism, they are radicalized and reactionary. The GOP is not a home for anything resembling considered thought at this point.

I have a Korean-American friend who went from a student delegate to the 2004 GOP Nominating Convention to being so absolutely not GOP in less than 4 years.

From my Indian-American friends, even the few South Asian candidates that the GOP has like Bobby Jindal or Nikki Haley, engender resentment because they had to completely brush away everything of their heritage (for example, changing their names to be more Americanized, or converting to a religion more acceptable to GOP voters) in order to win. I don't know how rational that is, but the resentment exists.


I  think this is probably he hugest obstacle the Republican Party has with its minority outreach, the conditions they place on a minority before allowing inclusion into the "conservative club".  The minority member has to basically give up their cultural identity and support policies which makes life harder on as well as restricts the rights of others in their minority.  Thus when the GOP does successfully recruit a member of a minority, that person is usually a self-loathing sociopath who is resented by other members of their minority (as well as other).
 
2014-07-21 12:54:43 PM  
Sometimes the GOP reminds me of those terrible students who would fark off an entire semester, try and cram for the test at the last minute, and then get upset when they flunk.
 
2014-07-21 12:58:51 PM  

Graffito: in 1992, Bill Clinton captured just 36 percent of the Asian American vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama won 73 percent of the Asian American vote


...Damn. I'd really like one of Fark's right-wingers to explain what they think caused that.

I know the actual reason (the GOP has gone ratfarking crazy and alienates anyone who doesn't fit the Leave It To Beaver mold), but I'd like to hear them try to explain away such an inconvenient fact.
 
2014-07-21 01:03:30 PM  

Gunther: Graffito: in 1992, Bill Clinton captured just 36 percent of the Asian American vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama won 73 percent of the Asian American vote

...Damn. I'd really like one of Fark's right-wingers to explain what they think caused that.

I know the actual reason (the GOP has gone ratfarking crazy and alienates anyone who doesn't fit the Leave It To Beaver mold), but I'd like to hear them try to explain away such an inconvenient fact.


What makes me even more astounded is that the GOP only got 27% of the Asian vote and 'that' is the group that they're pushing to get back.

Maybe it's just that they're the least 'brown' of all immigrant groups that they've alienated?
 
2014-07-21 01:06:30 PM  

Jackpot777:
Maybe they just need new uniforms when they campaign...

[i301.photobucket.com image 850x642]


Love that shirt. It says, "Not only am I a dick, I'm such a lazy and cowardly dick that I'll wear this shirt instead of expending the effort/risking the confrontation of addressing someone directly."
 
2014-07-21 01:16:02 PM  

Pumpernickel bread: Republicans will get help from a source that has historically been democratic - blacks.  The large influx of Mexicans and South Americans won't be descending upon affluent white communities, but traditionally black ones.  They won't be competing with whites for skilled jobs, but with blacks for unskilled jobs.  May not actually vote for Republicans in increasingly large numbers, but the disaffectation will likely cause them not to turn out for democrats like they normally would.  Add to that, there has been a strong migration of whites to the Republican party.  In 2008, most whites were democrats.  Now, they are across the board republicans, even those making less than 30k.  I don't expect any appreciable shift in the Asian vote from past elections.


BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Oh man, that was good. I mean, I'll agree that many poor whites are Republicans - although even then mostly the uneducated/stupid ones - but all whites? HAHAHA!!! Comedy gold, if you actually believe that.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:16 PM  

Infernalist: Gunther: Graffito: in 1992, Bill Clinton captured just 36 percent of the Asian American vote.

In the 2012 presidential election, Barack Obama won 73 percent of the Asian American vote

...Damn. I'd really like one of Fark's right-wingers to explain what they think caused that.

I know the actual reason (the GOP has gone ratfarking crazy and alienates anyone who doesn't fit the Leave It To Beaver mold), but I'd like to hear them try to explain away such an inconvenient fact.

What makes me even more astounded is that the GOP only got 27% of the Asian vote and 'that' is the group that they're pushing to get back.

Maybe it's just that they're the least 'brown' of all immigrant groups that they've alienated?


Again, 2008 and 2012 are outliers, Hawaii is the largest concentration of Asian Americans in the country, and Obama performed exceptionally well there relative to past elections. In the past however they've elected a Republican to Congress, had a Republican Governor, and could potentially elect another one this year. In 2004, the Bush campaign considered Hawaii competitive enough that they sent Cheney there to stump.
 
2014-07-21 01:21:26 PM  

spman: In 2004, the Bush campaign considered Hawaii competitive enough that they sent Cheney there to stump.


Dubya also got 45% of Latinos, but we know what's happened since then.
 
2014-07-21 01:24:28 PM  

12349876: spman: In 2004, the Bush campaign considered Hawaii competitive enough that they sent Cheney there to stump.

Dubya also got 45% of Latinos, but we know what's happened since then.


That's true, but that was a similar situation with Obama and Hawaii, lots of Latinos in Texas and Bush had the hometown advantage.
 
2014-07-21 01:36:22 PM  

RexTalionis: hubiestubert: Yes, because the latest Yellow Peril crap is going to gain the hafu vote...

Among my friends at least, in the last 10 years, they've not just lost Asian voters in general, but they've also lost Asian voters who were Republicans 10 years ago.


I'm second generation.  I don't even speak my parents' mother tongue.

I'm a registered Republican in Ohio, a swing state.  I am actually an affluent, self-employed small businessman.  So the GOP's tax and regulatory policies are appealing to me.  I grew up in the Chicago suburbs, where hating them big-city Democrats is considered part of the standard education of middle-class children. Pulling the lever for the GOP should be a slam dunk for me.

And yet, whenever I get campaign flyers or solicitations from the GOP, it's all race-based.  It's always "We're just calling to remind you that the Republican Party's positions on issues should appeal to you people." or something along those lines.

Or, even better, here's a paraphrase of an actual conversation I had with a canvasser who showed up at my front door shortly before the 2012 election:

Canvasser: "So, Mr. [name redacted], obviously you're a registered Republican.  Otherwise we wouldn't be having this little chat, heh heh.  I'm with the Ohio Republican Party, trying to get out the vote.  You might say I'm doing a little minority outreach right now, LOL.  Do you mind telling me where you're from?"

Me: "Chicago."

"Oh... uh... heh heh, I meant, where are you *from*?"

"Chicago."

"No, I mean, where are you ORIGINALLY from?"

"Chicago.  I was born there."

"But what is your nationality?"

"American."

"You know what I mean..."

"Why do you care about my ethnicity?  I thought the GOP was color-blind."

"Oh we are, we are.  It's just that I want to understand how you feel about certain issues.  Like teaching alternatives to evolution in school.  So we'd like to know where you're from so we can have an idea of how you stand on that."

"Seems to me that's more of a religious issue.  I don't see how ethnicity affects that."

"Well, some of you are Christian, and some of you aren't."

"Oh.  Any other issues that are 'ethnically' related?"

"Immigration.  That's a big one."

"Well, my wife is an immigrant."

"Oh, so you brought her from wherever it is you're from?"

"No, she's Canadian."

"Oh!  How funny that you had to go to Canada to meet another Oriental!"

"She's... Caucasian.  But based on your definition of ethnic origin, I guess you'd say she's *from* Germany."

"So you're in a mixed race marriage!  Well, that's not so bad! We're open to that! At least she speaks American, right?"

"Um... yeah."

Etc.

It sort of went downhill after that.
 
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