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6397 clicks; posted to Geek » on 21 Jul 2014 at 11:19 AM (49 weeks ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-07-21 09:07:36 AM  
A New York judge defended a controversial order that gave the government access to all content of the Gmail account of a target in a money laundering investigation, holding that courts have long recognized the practical need for law enforcement to seize documents if only to determine whether they fall within the warrant.

Well that certainly seems in keeping with "innocent until proven guilty" and totally consistent with the 4th.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-21 09:10:20 AM  
My B are not I any E. I'm going to delete the email about the space modulator under the Pentagon.
 
2014-07-21 10:17:39 AM  
They still need to get a warrant to search through your E-mail in the first place.

I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand, warrants are supposed to be as limited as possible in scope, on the other hand, pre-email if you kept all of your hand-written letters in a drawer, the cops could get a warrant for the drawer and look through all your letters, without having to ask to only look at the letters with certain key words or phrases.
 
2014-07-21 11:21:09 AM  
But she didn't have any B to I E.
 
2014-07-21 11:27:35 AM  

nmrsnr: They still need to get a warrant to search through your E-mail in the first place.

I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand, warrants are supposed to be as limited as possible in scope, on the other hand, pre-email if you kept all of your hand-written letters in a drawer, the cops could get a warrant for the drawer and look through all your letters, without having to ask to only look at the letters with certain key words or phrases.


In my city the cops got permission to look at texts in people's phones without a warrant, even without an arrest. A lot of people havetheir email synched, or at least have an email app. I'm sure those aren't ignored.

We're way beyond the slippery slope, careening down the hill.
 
2014-07-21 11:31:22 AM  
That's a myth.
 
2014-07-21 11:36:52 AM  
Too bad there are no encrypted email services anymore.
 
2014-07-21 11:39:40 AM  

lindalouwho: In my city the cops got permission to look at texts in people's phones without a warrant, even without an arrest. A lot of people havetheir email synched, or at least have an email app. I'm sure those aren't ignored.


The Supreme Court just ruled that illegal.
 
2014-07-21 11:46:34 AM  

nmrsnr: lindalouwho: In my city the cops got permission to look at texts in people's phones without a warrant, even without an arrest. A lot of people havetheir email synched, or at least have an email app. I'm sure those aren't ignored.

The Supreme Court just ruled that illegal.


Yay!!!

/thanks
 
2014-07-21 11:48:26 AM  
Oh! I haven't checked the inbox of that account for, like 6 months. Thanks for the reminder!

I May Be Crazy But...: That's a myth.


BIE is no myth, son. Trust me
 
2014-07-21 11:59:59 AM  

nmrsnr: They still need to get a warrant to search through your E-mail in the first place.

I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand, warrants are supposed to be as limited as possible in scope, on the other hand, pre-email if you kept all of your hand-written letters in a drawer, the cops could get a warrant for the drawer and look through all your letters, without having to ask to only look at the letters with certain key words or phrases.


And how do they know which of the e-mails are relevant until they have a look?  A warrant might specify ".22 caliber handgun" but executing it they'll look through every place in your house a handgun could be hidden.  Likewise, they'll have to look through the whole mailbox to see what e-mails actually refer to the crime.

Thus I have no problem with this.  Where I have a problem is things like the NSA and the Lavabit warrant--you don't get to look at everybody's e-mail when your objective is one person's.  If a robot can filter it with 100% accuracy then that robot should do so before the cops get a crack at it.  (And a robot most certainly can filter Select where Sender = "Edward Snowden" or Recipient = "Edward Snowden").

lindalouwho: In my city the cops got permission to look at texts in people's phones without a warrant, even without an arrest. A lot of people havetheir email synched, or at least have an email app. I'm sure those aren't ignored.

We're way beyond the slippery slope, careening down the hill.


And I have a problem with this, also.  If the cops can give a reasonable reason they expect to find a certain type of evidence in a certain location then I'm pretty liberal about letting them search.  I have a big problem with searches that lack either of these elements, though.  Catching a guy for something small in order to search his stuff for evidence of what you think he really did isn't kosher.
 
2014-07-21 12:03:27 PM  

Loren: nmrsnr: They still need to get a warrant to search through your E-mail in the first place.

I don't know how I feel about this. On the one hand, warrants are supposed to be as limited as possible in scope, on the other hand, pre-email if you kept all of your hand-written letters in a drawer, the cops could get a warrant for the drawer and look through all your letters, without having to ask to only look at the letters with certain key words or phrases.

And how do they know which of the e-mails are relevant until they have a look?  A warrant might specify ".22 caliber handgun" but executing it they'll look through every place in your house a handgun could be hidden.  Likewise, they'll have to look through the whole mailbox to see what e-mails actually refer to the crime.

Thus I have no problem with this.  Where I have a problem is things like the NSA and the Lavabit warrant--you don't get to look at everybody's e-mail when your objective is one person's.  If a robot can filter it with 100% accuracy then that robot should do so before the cops get a crack at it.  (And a robot most certainly can filter Select where Sender = "Edward Snowden" or Recipient = "Edward Snowden").

lindalouwho: In my city the cops got permission to look at texts in people's phones without a warrant, even without an arrest. A lot of people havetheir email synched, or at least have an email app. I'm sure those aren't ignored.

We're way beyond the slippery slope, careening down the hill.

And I have a problem with this, also.  If the cops can give a reasonable reason they expect to find a certain type of evidence in a certain location then I'm pretty liberal about letting them search.  I have a big problem with searches that lack either of these elements, though.  Catching a guy for something small in order to search his stuff for evidence of what you think he really did isn't kosher.


They were doing it with just traffic stops. Yeah, that's farked up.
 
2014-07-21 12:03:43 PM  

Loren: And how do they know which of the e-mails are relevant until they have a look?


Apparently they used to have to give Google or whatever key words like "drugs, package, dolls" that they'd then search for and hand over. At least that's what the article implies was the case.
 
2014-07-21 12:05:57 PM  

mcreadyblue: Too bad there are no encrypted email services anymore.


If you are depending on a 3rd party to do the actual encryption/decryption part, have you considered that perhaps you are doing it wrong?
 
2014-07-21 12:12:24 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: mcreadyblue: Too bad there are no encrypted email services anymore.

If you are depending on a 3rd party to do the actual encryption/decryption part, have you considered that perhaps you are doing it wrong?


No, I suck at writing encryption software.
 
2014-07-21 12:15:06 PM  
Can someone send me some BIE so I can comply to this headline?

/EIP
 
2014-07-21 12:19:01 PM  
The proper action - for anyone that understood simple English as used in the 4th Amendment (e.g., "particularly describing" would be a court order to Google to copy and preserve the email in question for later targeted searches.

Neither the convenience of law enforcement (can't search your HD on site, therefore we'll just seize it and copy all the data) nor their ignorance ("potato might mean cocaine!") trumps the Bill of Rights.

Judge needs to be placed against the wall, but since he's entitled to due process that can't be.
 
2014-07-21 12:23:19 PM  

mcreadyblue: Vlad_the_Inaner: mcreadyblue: Too bad there are no encrypted email services anymore.

If you are depending on a 3rd party to do the actual encryption/decryption part, have you considered that perhaps you are doing it wrong?

No, I suck at writing encryption software.


Well, you can let other people write it.  It's just good that you can review it at the source level, because if you can, then other people can look for holes too.

But just don't go the 'I'll let the Cloud do it for me" route, because someone owns the cloud, and you can be pretty sure it isn't you.

/although when they force everyone to use Trusted Computing, then you won't even 'own' your own PC anymore.  Then what.
 
2014-07-21 12:34:26 PM  
But I dont wanna delete all the boobies. It will make me have a sad in my pants.
 
2014-07-21 12:34:56 PM  
Sigh, too many hits on acronymfinder and google (Bureau of Indian Affairs seems to be the most common definition).  Can someone enlighten me - what the heck is BIE?
 
2014-07-21 12:40:11 PM  

Teaser: Sigh, too many hits on acronymfinder and google (Bureau of Indian Affairs seems to be the most common definition).  Can someone enlighten me - what the heck is BIE?


Dude, seriously? You have a five digit account number. But, since I can't find the joke in your post, why didn't you try Urban Dictionary?
 
2014-07-21 01:02:34 PM  
The BIE fairy has been allegedly known to make the inbox a very nice place. Or so I've heard.
 
2014-07-21 01:17:58 PM  

nmrsnr: Teaser: Sigh, too many hits on acronymfinder and google (Bureau of Indian Affairs seems to be the most common definition).  Can someone enlighten me - what the heck is BIE?

Dude, seriously? You have a five digit account number. But, since I can't find the joke in your post, why didn't you try Urban Dictionary?


Gonna stand up with my fellow five digit Fark brother(I almost was 4 digit) and say I didn't know either.
 
2014-07-21 01:31:54 PM  

Publikwerks: nmrsnr: Teaser: Sigh, too many hits on acronymfinder and google (Bureau of Indian Affairs seems to be the most common definition).  Can someone enlighten me - what the heck is BIE?

Dude, seriously? You have a five digit account number. But, since I can't find the joke in your post, why didn't you try Urban Dictionary?

Gonna stand up with my fellow five digit Fark brother(I almost was 4 digit) and say I didn't know either.


It took me a while to figure it out as well. Also, it's nice to find a fellow 5 digit Farker with a number lower than mine. I, too, was almost a 4, but it took me a few months to sign up after I found out about this place. I never thought I'd still be here 13 years later, but here we are.
 
2014-07-21 01:46:25 PM  

soporific: Publikwerks: nmrsnr: Teaser: Sigh, too many hits on acronymfinder and google (Bureau of Indian Affairs seems to be the most common definition).  Can someone enlighten me - what the heck is BIE?

Dude, seriously? You have a five digit account number. But, since I can't find the joke in your post, why didn't you try Urban Dictionary?

Gonna stand up with my fellow five digit Fark brother(I almost was 4 digit) and say I didn't know either.

It took me a while to figure it out as well. Also, it's nice to find a fellow 5 digit Farker with a number lower than mine. I, too, was almost a 4, but it took me a few months to sign up after I found out about this place. I never thought I'd still be here 13 years later, but here we are.



I really found Fark on 9/11. Fark had all the back doors into CNN and the various other news sites. Plus, tons of people to hang out with and commiserate. Been here since.

13 years....Man, now I feel old..
 
2014-07-21 02:20:26 PM  

Publikwerks: soporific: 

Gonna stand up with my fellow five digit Fark brother(I almost was 4 digit) and say I didn't know either.

It took me a while to figure it out as well. Also, it's nice to find a fellow 5 digit Farker with a number lower than mine. I, too, was almost a 4, but it took me a few months to sign up after I found out about this place. I never thought I'd still be here 13 years later, but here we are.


I really found Fark on 9/11. Fark had all the back doors into CNN and the various other news sites. Plus, tons of people to hang out with and commiserate. Been here since.

13 years....Man, now I feel old..

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/
 
2014-07-21 02:26:09 PM  
No, it's more like, "delete all that midget shiße porn..."

/I don't care if I mis-spelled it, I'm not a freakin' German, okay!??
 
2014-07-21 05:03:15 PM  
BIE is a myth!

/EIP
 
2014-07-21 05:15:19 PM  
Look, I know the rules of BIE, but, let's face it, if LEA is coming with a warrant, they're going to see it. I'm surprised guys wouldn't be more worried about the WIE they sent when requested?

/ONLY when requested!
 
2014-07-21 06:13:24 PM  
if I had any.
 
Poe
2014-07-21 06:45:51 PM  
Put me down as another long term Farker who has never received BIE.

/EIP?
 
2014-07-21 07:09:10 PM  

Teaser: Sigh, too many hits on acronymfinder and google (Bureau of Indian Affairs seems to be the most common definition).  Can someone enlighten me - what the heck is BIE?


Bigdick In Email

Farkers love dick pics.
 
2014-07-21 08:00:31 PM  
I wish I had a 5 digit account number
 
2014-07-21 08:45:43 PM  

Thudfark: The BIE fairy has been allegedly known to make the inbox a very nice place. Or so I've heard.


Son, I believe all the BIE fairies have moved on from Fark. They have become the stuff of legends and fairytales.
 
2014-07-21 10:14:58 PM  
As long as you sign an nda, you can have access to all my data

If you want me to explain it, we'll discuss consulting charges
 
2014-07-22 05:32:39 AM  
Guess you shouldn't get charged with money laundering then, huh?
 
2014-07-22 06:43:16 AM  

jayphat: Thudfark: The BIE fairy has been allegedly known to make the inbox a very nice place. Or so I've heard.

Son, I believe all the BIE fairies have moved on from Fark. They have become the stuff of legends and fairytales.


This is why I weep for huge manatees
 
2014-07-22 09:19:26 AM  

Thudfark: jayphat: Thudfark: The BIE fairy has been allegedly known to make the inbox a very nice place. Or so I've heard.

Son, I believe all the BIE fairies have moved on from Fark. They have become the stuff of legends and fairytales.

This is why I weep for huge manatees


I have been here for a looong time.  I, like Pepperidge Farm, remember the BIE fairies.  Alas there are so few left... at least that venture into literland.  I'm not sure about TF.

/wastes too much time here as a liter
//can't imagine how little I'd get done if I were TF
 
2014-07-22 08:08:13 PM  
I would have to worry, if anyone ever sent me some.  So I'm pretty safe.
 
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