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(Slate)   Conservatives, Liberals, the elderly, the young, minorities, Caucasians--basically, everyone but Joe Arpaio--is sick and tired of Arizona's constant Citizen Checkpoints   (slate.com) divider line 299
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2014-07-21 07:26:25 AM  
Yay, more counterproductive terrorizing and/or annoying of innocent people to appease a handful of bigots.

At least tell me the state is funding this, not the federal government.  TFA says "Congress" funded it in 2007, but dems had both houses then, so I doubt that means the US Congress.
 
2014-07-21 08:05:31 AM  
Are the citizen checkpoints via the freedom wing of the Republican Party or the liberty wing of the Republican Party?
 
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2014-07-21 08:21:44 AM  

clancifer: Are the citizen checkpoints via the freedom wing of the Republican Party or the liberty wing of the Republican Party?


Both.  They want freedom from brown people and the liberty to throw them out.
 
2014-07-21 08:42:03 AM  

dookdookdook: Yay, more counterproductive terrorizing and/or annoying of innocent people to appease a handful of bigots.

At least tell me the state is funding this, not the federal government.  TFA says "Congress" funded it in 2007, but dems had both houses then, so I doubt that means the US Congress.


...and the funny thing is: the bigots were just fine with the illegal workers when they were building subdivision after subdivision. Illegal labor was the backbone of the "economic miracle" that was growth in the area. It's not easy to have growth, when you're paying a fraction of the normal cost of building. Easy to get projects done on time and under budget--at least reported budget--and pocket the profits, to then turn over into other projects, and keep rolling.

Joe was less worried about illegal immigrants when they were building all those projects. All those suburbs, and the surrounding towns around Phoenix, and staffing all sorts of ancillary businesses, but now, they're unwelcome, because they didn't have the sense to leave the Phoenix area after the jobs went soft, and everything was built.

Joe is still serving the interests he assisted--he's focusing his efforts now to encourage folks to GTFO. Never mind that he wasn't interested in pursuing them when folks needed workers at the Home Depot parking lots in droves. He kept them in line, with scare tactics, but now, they just aren't needed, and he's using the problem that he helped create to bolster support for the folks who've already paid for his retirement, and he's going to continue to serve the Good Old Boy network in the county, and he'll continue until he finally decides it's time to move on. The favors he's traded, and the dirty secrets and favors he's traded will keep him fair safe for years to come. It's nothing that Florida and Texas haven't seen before, just on a scale that has rarely been seen before. Phoenix is a wonderful nest of scum and villainy, and it makes Chicago look quaint and folksy in its own corruption, and Boston and New York appear downright utopian...

/Why, yes, I was a resident of Maricopa for some time...
 
2014-07-21 09:03:45 AM  
For people who cry about jack-booted thugs all the time, they sure do like donning the garb.
 
2014-07-21 09:05:51 AM  
How has the court system not shut these down yet? They are blatantly unconstitutional in about a dozen different ways
 
2014-07-21 09:08:08 AM  

clancifer: Are the citizen checkpoints via the freedom wing of the Republican Party or the liberty wing of the Republican Party?


Which one is the racist wing?
 
2014-07-21 09:08:18 AM  
I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.
 
2014-07-21 09:08:21 AM  
Oh, just change the name to Citizen and DUI Checkpoint and Cat Declawing Center and we can have a super thread.
 
2014-07-21 09:09:26 AM  

Diogenes: For people who cry about jack-booted thugs all the time, they sure do like donning the garb.


A really good book on the subject.
 
2014-07-21 09:10:20 AM  

TheYeti: Oh, just change the name to Citizen and DUI Checkpoint and Cat Declawing Center and we can have a super thread.


Can we also have the center true bike wheels and sell lycra shorts?
 
2014-07-21 09:10:27 AM  
Arpaio is the Sherif of only Maricopa county.
 
2014-07-21 09:11:11 AM  
These checkpoints suck so, so much. It would be nice if they would go away.  But I don't see that happening.
 
2014-07-21 09:12:19 AM  

abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.


M<aybe that's all well and good.  But constitutionally, that's not a "reason" for stopping somebody who looks Latino.
 
2014-07-21 09:12:51 AM  
You farkers voted for the clowns that implemented these checkpoints.  I have no sympathy.
 
2014-07-21 09:13:16 AM  
These have been around since well before the recent immigration nonsense started up, at least in Texas.  And yes, they suck.

This is how you should respond to them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8U4Qn6iIIg

"Would you pull over behind the other vehicle?  no thanks.."
 
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2014-07-21 09:13:46 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.

M<aybe that's all well and good.  But constitutionally, that's not a "reason" for stopping somebody who looks Latino.


That won't stop the mouthbreather brigade.
 
2014-07-21 09:14:53 AM  

Arkanaut: clancifer: Are the citizen checkpoints via the freedom wing of the Republican Party or the liberty wing of the Republican Party?

Which one is the racist wing?


Yes.
 
2014-07-21 09:16:05 AM  

abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.


So you're cool with checkpoints everywhere for everything? Because that reasoning is so broad as to be ridiculous.
 
2014-07-21 09:17:04 AM  
if you aren't doing anything wrong, you've got nothing to worry about!

/not that guy
//but i play one on fark
 
2014-07-21 09:17:05 AM  
"Many residents of Mexican origin believe they are routinely profiled when they are stopped at a checkpoint and asked to present identification."

Well this is sorta the whole point*, to look for illegals,  and they're most likely to be latino.  It wouldn't do much good to pull over all the chinese would it?

*This is their 'stated' purpose at least,  the drugs and other crimes they find are just a bonus I'm sure.
 
2014-07-21 09:17:14 AM  
They've had checkpoints like this in SoCal for years.
 
2014-07-21 09:19:32 AM  

abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.


Our "own people?"

Republicans ceased to exist during Reagan's term and never returned?
 
2014-07-21 09:20:22 AM  

abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.


You got proof of your citizenship handy?
 
2014-07-21 09:21:17 AM  

hubiestubert: ...and the funny thing is: the bigots were just fine with the illegal workers when they were building subdivision after subdivision. Illegal labor was the backbone of the "economic miracle" that was growth in the area.


Which of course proves that they aren't bigots at all.

Just like how Sterling contributed more to "blacks" than Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson ever did combined in both their lives.
 
2014-07-21 09:21:42 AM  
Unconstitutional governmental overreach finally gets around to targeting illegal relatives of one of the liberals' pet constituencies and NOW it's a problem. NOW it's "unconstitutional". Maybe you should have considered the unintended consequences while you were fondling yourselves, envisioning everybody being groped, prodded and probed by government agents (solely for YOUR political goals.)
 
2014-07-21 09:21:46 AM  

Wellon Dowd: They've had checkpoints like this in SoCal for years.


They aren't new. They are just becoming more of a pain in the ass. I see more BP trucks south of Tucson than any other vehicle. Including police, fire, ambulance, muslim migrants, secret terrorist vans, old people boats, Mexican tourists.
 
2014-07-21 09:22:15 AM  

Lost Thought 00: How has the court system not shut these down yet? They are blatantly unconstitutional in about a dozen different ways


Not even close, but if they were, so would DWI/DUI checkpoints and car inspection checkpoints.

Arizona needs to stop borrowing ideas from New York.
 
2014-07-21 09:23:57 AM  

ToastmasterGeneral: abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.

M<aybe that's all well and good.  But constitutionally, that's not a "reason" for stopping somebody who looks Latino.


DUI checkpoints don't require adherence to the search and seize laws. You can thank liberals like MADD.
 
2014-07-21 09:24:29 AM  

Flappyhead: abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.

You got proof of your citizenship handy?


Yep
 
2014-07-21 09:24:59 AM  
A round-the-clock U.S. Border Patrol presence at the checkpoints means that American citizens must endure inspection when they commute to work or run errands; every major road has one of these blockades.

LOL

This is the teabag vision for your state too. For freedom.
 
2014-07-21 09:25:38 AM  

Boo_Guy: "Many residents of Mexican origin believe they are routinely profiled when they are stopped at a checkpoint and asked to present identification."

Well this is sorta the whole point*, to look for illegals,  and they're most likely to be latino.  It wouldn't do much good to pull over all the chinese would it?

*This is their 'stated' purpose at least,  the drugs and other crimes they find are just a bonus I'm sure.


Well, we were told that George Zimmerman was white despite being Mexican. Maybe there are white Mexicans.


But yeah, no sense in capturing bears if you're looking for ducks.
 
2014-07-21 09:25:55 AM  

Bullseyed: DUI checkpoints don't require adherence to the search and seize laws. You can thank liberals like MADD.


Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of drunks is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.
 
2014-07-21 09:26:07 AM  

Boo_Guy: "Many residents of Mexican origin believe they are routinely profiled when they are stopped at a checkpoint and asked to present identification."

Well this is sorta the whole point*, to look for illegals,  and they're most likely to be latino.  It wouldn't do much good to pull over all the chinese would it?

*This is their 'stated' purpose at least,  the drugs and other crimes they find are just a bonus I'm sure.


Oh, don't let that fool you. They stop people who are all sorts of colors. Driving while brown isn't a great idea in Maricopa, but driving while black isn't a great idea either. Or simply driving in wrong neighborhood for that matter. If you're a pale American in the wrong neighborhood, you can expect a stop too. Or if you're driving the wrong vehicle in a nice neighborhood. Lord help you if you're a pale American and you're WITH brown or black or yellow folks, because obviously you're being kidnapped, and the Sheriff's Department will not hesitate to use force to free you. Even if they have to burn down the village to save it...
 
2014-07-21 09:26:08 AM  

Bullseyed: ToastmasterGeneral: abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.

M<aybe that's all well and good.  But constitutionally, that's not a "reason" for stopping somebody who looks Latino.

DUI checkpoints don't require adherence to the search and seize laws. You can thank liberals like MADD.


How specifically did MADD influence the Supreme Court's decision on check points?
 
2014-07-21 09:27:05 AM  

Arkanaut: clancifer: Are the citizen checkpoints via the freedom wing of the Republican Party or the liberty wing of the Republican Party?

Which one is the racist wing?


[Pailn] Umm, all of them? [/Palin]
 
2014-07-21 09:27:21 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Bullseyed: ToastmasterGeneral: abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.

M<aybe that's all well and good.  But constitutionally, that's not a "reason" for stopping somebody who looks Latino.

DUI checkpoints don't require adherence to the search and seize laws. You can thank liberals like MADD.

How specifically did MADD influence the Supreme Court's decision on check points?


I'd also like to know how they're liberals.
 
2014-07-21 09:28:01 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Unconstitutional governmental overreach finally gets around to targeting illegal relatives of one of the liberals' pet constituencies and NOW it's a problem. NOW it's "unconstitutional". Maybe you should have considered the unintended consequences while you were fondling yourselves, envisioning everybody being groped, prodded and probed by government agents (solely for YOUR political goals.)


Goals like the "War on Terrorism"? Yeah, that was a big "liberal" project.
 
2014-07-21 09:30:11 AM  
Arizona may seem like an unlikely place for a backlash against immigration enforcement. The state is home to many aggressive immigration policies[...]

Well, yeah. You wouldn't expect backlash against enforcement of laws that didn't exist would you? This is exactly the place I'd expect to find backlash.
 
2014-07-21 09:31:27 AM  
In Texas, Hispanic Border Patrol agents ask white Jews (me) if they (I) are (am) US citizens.

Article was full of derp. "I'm being discriminated against! They're singling me out!" when the reality is that it sucks for everyone.

But hey, keep pumping that "my race, my victimization" thing, because nothing creates solidarity and empathy like self-marginalization.

Also, not all whites are Caucasian, Subby, but thanks for pigeonholing in the same context of the article.

/chortle
 
2014-07-21 09:32:03 AM  
In Britain they call it "jobsworth".

It's just busywork for the Police, and gets people accustomed to being stopped and questioned just for going about their daily business. As much as the right-wingers used this as an example to describe how "terrible" the Soviet Union was in their propaganda that was taught in the schools, the reality is they have no problem with it as long as it's "our boys" doing it.

The Communists are bad because:
You could be searched just for walking down the street or driving a car on a public roadway.
Secret police would come in the middle of the night to search your home and arrest you.
The Government could listen to your private conversations anytime they wanted to.
The Government could retaliate against you for speaking out against these things.

Thats why Communism and Fascism were such terrible things.

Foots in the other shoe, now.
 
2014-07-21 09:32:30 AM  

Flappyhead: abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.

You got proof of your citizenship handy?


I have a co-worker from Cuba, he immigrated with his family as an infant in 1959, he talks about how before he became a citizen even as a little kid his parents drilled into his head the need to carry, not lose, protect and be proud of his Resident Alien card.
 
2014-07-21 09:32:46 AM  

Delta1212


Well, yeah. You wouldn't expect backlash against enforcement of laws that didn't exist would you? This is exactly the place I'd expect to find backlash.


Backlash, backlash, backlash.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE SOME DAMN FRONTLASH ONCE IN A WHILE???
 
2014-07-21 09:33:28 AM  

Meesterjojo: Article was full of derp. "I'm being discriminated against! They're singling me out!" when the reality is that it sucks for everyone.


That's what the article was about.
 
2014-07-21 09:33:35 AM  

Bullseyed: Boo_Guy: "Many residents of Mexican origin believe they are routinely profiled when they are stopped at a checkpoint and asked to present identification."

Well this is sorta the whole point*, to look for illegals,  and they're most likely to be latino.  It wouldn't do much good to pull over all the chinese would it?

*This is their 'stated' purpose at least,  the drugs and other crimes they find are just a bonus I'm sure.

Well, we were told that George Zimmerman was white despite being Mexican. Maybe there are white Mexicans.


But yeah, no sense in capturing bears if you're looking for ducks.


fluffy: "they make 'em in this color, too!"
 
2014-07-21 09:34:39 AM  

CruJones: These have been around since well before the recent immigration nonsense started up, at least in Texas.  And yes, they suck.

This is how you should respond to them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8U4Qn6iIIg

"Would you pull over behind the other vehicle?  no thanks.."


Bokay sure. I'm sure that works as the "AM I BEING DETAINED?" response.
 
2014-07-21 09:34:49 AM  
(not yelling at you specifically, Delta1212)
 
2014-07-21 09:35:47 AM  

abhorrent1: I see that my friends, my family are questioned and judged without reason, just for being Latino.

Maybe the 12+ million existing, and non-stop flow of new illegals is the reason? Maybe you should look at your own people for not wanting to do things the right way.


Friendly reminder that for a great many people seeking to enter this country within their lifetime, there is no "right" way.
 
2014-07-21 09:36:22 AM  

Meesterjojo: In Texas, Hispanic Border Patrol agents ask white Jews (me) if they (I) are (am) US citizens.

Article was full of derp. "I'm being discriminated against! They're singling me out!" when the reality is that it sucks for everyone.

But hey, keep pumping that "my race, my victimization" thing, because nothing creates solidarity and empathy like self-marginalization.

Also, not all whites are Caucasian, Subby, but thanks for pigeonholing in the same context of the article.

/chortle


Even if they did subject everybody to this stuff (and we all know that they don't) it would still be unconstitutional, if it is found to be. The constitutional argument isn't based on discrimination.
This will be going to court at some point - so we shall see what we shall see.
 
2014-07-21 09:38:03 AM  
I hope more and more people start standing up to these checkpoints.

It's great that the old white guy is doing it but he's nearly at the bottom of the give a shiat list for the authorities,  only one lower would be old white women.

Hopefully more people of all colors and ages will start doing what he's doing, then the authorities will have to relent,  eventually.  It will probably get uglier before it gets better though.

Unfortunately some innocent people are going to have to go through a lot of shiat first.
 
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