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2014-07-21 01:05:23 PM
15 votes:
Pit bull enthusiasts are like those women that date prisoners.
2014-07-21 01:07:44 PM
13 votes:
To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless
2014-07-21 01:14:43 PM
12 votes:

gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.




"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.
2014-07-21 01:13:22 PM
8 votes:

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.
2014-07-21 01:08:28 PM
7 votes:
if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs
2014-07-21 01:19:34 PM
6 votes:
It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

Pit bulls are bred to kill other dogs.  They are selected from source stocks speciffically for this purpose.  They must attack quickly before the other doggie gets the upper hand.  Now when a kid about the same size as a bigger doggie moves in a way the doggie doesn't expect, instinct kicks in and now you have a bad doggie doing what it was bred to do.  But this time the kid's neck is ripped out.
2014-07-21 12:51:00 PM
6 votes:
I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.
2014-07-21 01:39:47 PM
5 votes:
They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc
2014-07-21 04:16:22 PM
4 votes:

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


If a group of Americans went to an orphanage and adopted a bunch of kids from Tahiti, then proceeded to raise these kids poorly, train them to fight indiscriminately, or attack African Americans, or were simply treated so badly that they were badly socialized and therefore prone to violence, you would see a crime wave of Tahitian kids all over the news.

Idiots would conclude that Tahitians are violent and dangerous. Others would know better.
2014-07-21 03:35:50 PM
3 votes:

pat34us: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711


Did you see the picture of the dog?

assets.nydailynews.com


I love it when shelters say "XX-Labrador mix," because usually that means pit bull mix.  You can see it in the nose and the eyes - that's a pit mix.
2014-07-21 01:47:23 PM
3 votes:

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.

The oft quoted CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

"
Procedure
We collected data from
The Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS)
and media accounts related to
dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from pre-
vious studies.
1-3
The HSUS maintains a registry of human
DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,
city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs
involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To
supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database
6
was
searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in
1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning
the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words
and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF
followed by a review of articles containing those terms.
Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were
merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and
avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from
1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and
was added to the existing data for 1996.
 "


Myth #4: Fatal attack statistics about pit bulls are false

Pro-pit bull groups argue that the 20-year fatal dog attack study (from 1979 to 1998) issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in September 2000 is inaccurate because the study relied "in part" on newspaper articles. Pit bull advocates say that pit bull fatalities are more extensively reported by the media, therefore the authors of the study (most holding PhD credentials) must have "miscounted" or "double counted" the number of pit bull fatalities.10
As stated in the CDC report, the authors collected data from media accounts as well as the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) registry of fatal attacks. Also, all five authors, Jeffrey Sacks, Leslie Sinclair, Julie Gilchrist, Gail Golab and Randall Lockwood, openly oppose breed-specific laws. This bias is clearly reflected in the CDC report as well.11 If discrepancies were made in the report, it seems more likely that fatal pit bull attacks were underreported not over reported.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
2014-07-21 01:39:56 PM
3 votes:
I was walking through the park yesterday with my wife and daughter and my wife's "Chick" dogs, and encountered a lady with her pit bull.  The dog was trained to lay down when other dogs passing.  We have encountered it before with the husband, who seems to be able to control it.  Yesterday the wife was walking it.  It laid down, no problem, we started to walk past, it jumped up, and basically dragged the owner over to my dogs, that my daughter was holding.  Thank god it just growled a bit and she finally got some control of it.  I can tell you the next time I see it, I will be turning my family around and going the other way.  Better safe than sorry.
2014-07-21 01:32:31 PM
3 votes:

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.
2014-07-21 01:27:05 PM
3 votes:
How sad...poor little boy :'(

It's because of the perceived aggressiveness of the "breed" that so many bad/stupid owners seek out Pits in particular. I live in a somewhat "ghetto" area and the only dogs that exist around here are Pits and Pit mixes. A lot of people get it in theit head that they're gonna make money breeding their blue nose Pit without even knowing that most births require a c section to save the biatch.

The folks next door NEVER bring their dog inside; she sits outside barking all day and night, never getting the attention or affection she deserves. And (like many others) they say the reason they do it is because they don't want her to be nice, they just want a guard dog. Well...if the dog doesn't care about you, it's not gonna feel very inclined to protect you should something actually happen. And more often than not, you can easily appease one of those neglected dogs by simply tossing them a treat.

They have no clue what the hell they're doing so yeah, I really am inclined to believe that it has a hell of a lot more to do with the owner than it does the "breed" itself. The folks across from us have a Pit named Pete who is the sweetest thing in the world. I always tease and say he's a little lap dog stuck in a big dog body cuz he's just that affectionate. And he's wonderful with my little Corgi mix and 4 year old niece, because his owners love him and trained him well.

/I say "breed" cuz Pit Bull isn't a specific breed; people could mean any one of a number of different breeds when referring to a Pit Bull. My parents had an American Staffordshire Terrier and he was amazing. People call them Pit Bulls even though they aren't. Isn't Pit Bull Terrier the actual breed name?
2014-07-21 01:25:59 PM
3 votes:

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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2014-07-21 01:23:07 PM
3 votes:
Dogs (not even pits) do not attack people for no reason unless they are trained (or not trained).  The relatives should have been arrested for involuntary manslaughter and potential dog fighting.
2014-07-21 01:18:00 PM
3 votes:
You'll see a Fark Independent TM admit Climate Change may be man-made before convincing Pit Bull apologists the breed may be a tad kill-y.
2014-07-21 01:15:09 PM
3 votes:
We don't let retarded people fly fighter jets for the same reason we shouldn't let idiots own pit bulls.

They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.
2014-07-21 01:12:18 PM
3 votes:

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Da fuq?

You are amazingly incorrect, sir.
2014-07-21 01:11:17 PM
3 votes:

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.
2014-07-21 01:07:52 PM
3 votes:
Show me a bad dog, and I'll show you an idiot owner.
2014-07-21 01:06:00 PM
3 votes:

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Let's play Pit Bull Bingo.

Who has "bad owner not bad dogs" in the centre square?
2014-07-21 07:36:29 PM
2 votes:

jaylectricity: Is it too late to play "Spot the Pitbull"?

[i49.tinypic.com image 709x768]
Click here to find out if you're right.


Dog breed DNA tests are notorious for being completely bonkers. Dog breed genetics are a mess. Breed gene pools are refreshed by bringing in other similar breeds and filtering out the offspring that don't look like the standard.
2014-07-21 05:53:18 PM
2 votes:

Geoff Peterson: FarkinHostile: Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.

false equivalency is false.


The sad thing is it is a completely accurate comparison, and you can't/won't get it. It was quite enlightening when I first had someone cross to the other side of the street when I was walking Bacchus. I really understood something I only thought I did before.

But it's ok, you pants wetters are losing credibility and influence because of people like me, and so many others who properly raise, care for, socialize and train pit bulls. Breed specific legislation is being overturned where it was knee jerked into place, and rejected where introduced now. You can forget ever outlawing Pits, it ain't gonna happen now.

I didn't even want a pit when I decided to get a dog. I specifically wanted a non-pit because of all of the prejudice and ignorance. My mom and I went to 3 different shelters and "interviewed" 8 different dogs of many different breeds. Bacchus was so sweet, so good natured that I took him home 2 days later.  He has gone from being found wandering the streets in a shiatty city to a home where he is loved, and he has proven himself to be a wonderful, good boy. :)

(Cue the "Just wait till he KILLS someone! You'll be sorry!" pants wetting horseshiat. Oh, wait, already happened. LOL)
2014-07-21 05:21:21 PM
2 votes:
Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.
2014-07-21 05:13:29 PM
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: /First of all, police dont do "home invasions" they serve warrants. And secondly, there is no police department in the USA that goes in throwing grenades. Seriously, you are either a very stupid troll, or an idiot. I'm thinking a mix of both.


jeesh you could at least attempt to do some research before you so indignantly dismiss someones story, ya boot licker.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/georgia-t od dler-critically-injured-by-polices-flash-grenade/
2014-07-21 05:06:06 PM
2 votes:

tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?


That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs


Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!
2014-07-21 04:35:30 PM
2 votes:
HST's Dead Carcass:

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

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2014-07-21 04:13:40 PM
2 votes:

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.

Then eventually pit bulls would be bred (bread?) out of existence.

on paper yeah.

If banning the breed would have no effect why do you oppose it?


I oppose banning the breed for the same reasons I oppose banning the weed. It's just legislation that hurts poor people and makes people do end runs around it but won't actually take the controlled substance off the streets.
2014-07-21 03:51:04 PM
2 votes:
I May Be Crazy But...:It just looks like a lab to me. The fur would most likely be shorter if it was part pit bull, and the head would be heavier. And labs normally have that square muzzle.

Neither labs nor golden's have pink, nude mucosal surfaces like the dog in the photo, unlike light colored pit bulls.  And coat length means fark-all when we're talking about a cross-breed.

/we could argue about this ad nauseum, the point is shelters love to call a pit bull mix a "Lab mix."
2014-07-21 02:15:14 PM
2 votes:

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Can't it be both?

People teach their kids to look both ways crossing the street so they don't get hit by cars and we teach drivers to watch for people, especially children, that might dart out into the street so they don't hit a kid.

In fact it should be both.  Teach your kids to ask permission before petting a dog and to not approach unfamiliar dogs, especially if there is not an owner around.

One of my cousins was tore up a bit when she was younger by her mutt beagle/lab/poodle mix, but in the dog's defense, she had been hitting it with stick while it was on a chain in their yard, despite the girl having being told before to not do that multiple times in the past.  The dog still got put down.

Some people just shouldn't own dogs.
2014-07-21 02:01:51 PM
2 votes:

Big Beef Burrito: I hate dog people.


10,000 years of mutually beneficial co-evolution.

Some say it could be as much as 100,000.

Dogs are a large part of why humans are the way we are.
2014-07-21 01:55:35 PM
2 votes:
At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.
2014-07-21 01:54:50 PM
2 votes:

teenytinycornteeth: Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.

I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.


You know, you raise an interesting point that raises this question: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs? At four years of age, I knew better than to go roaring up to to a strange dog and would not have gone near one in a cage. Rather, I was taught to be confident but calm and allow the dog to approach you. Observe the dog's posture and behavior. Is his tail wagging, between his legs or pointing down. Are his ears up, thrown forward or laid back. Is he showing teeth or lolling his tongue, etc. If the dog is nervous or aggressive, it is best to go your separate ways, If he is relaxed, then extend a hand, palm down and allow the dog to sniff you. If this goes well, a few gentle rubs and pats are in order, but not aggressive head rubbing to start.

All kids love dogs, but not all dogs love kids, so kids have to be taught to be careful.
2014-07-21 01:49:08 PM
2 votes:

Dragonflew: Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

I knew someone who killed her border collie puppy because of this behaviour. It didn't even nip at their child, it nipped at someone jogging by. She did not even consider giving her away, she immediately had her killed. Or in her words (which infuriated me even more), "helped her to sleep".

This woman is a sociopathic slimeball monster who later abandoned her own child.

Some people should just not own dogs.


Border collies are infuriatingly smart.  You really have to know what you are doing to train them.  They can learn to do different things from the same command based upon inflection.

Slippers! - dog gets slippers
Slippers? - dog lies down

If I trained the dog to heel with the command heel, but accidentally had my left hand on my hip each time I did it, the dog might not know what I was talking about if I said 'heel' without my hand on hip.  Or, It might decide that hand on hip means heel too.

They are often trained to react to whistle commands to herd sheep from a distance.  I cannot whistle the same tone twice if I had to.

The woman you knew should never have been allowed to have children.
2014-07-21 01:49:03 PM
2 votes:

I_AM_SRC: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

Agreed. It's the dog's owner and the kid's mom fault for leaving this child unattended with these kid rippers. Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.


This.  I know a lot of really great pit bulls, but clearly the uncle knew that his dogs needed to be crated around visitors, and it looks like no one thought to warn the 4 year old not to let them out, or at least watch to make sure he didn't.

With granma's teacup dog, it'd be some scars to the face (and granma insisting he's never done something like that before, except that one time...and the time before that....), but they're not teacup dogs so the consequences are more dire.
2014-07-21 01:42:34 PM
2 votes:
 Sounds like the little kid let them out to play.  And the dogs idea of play and the kids were not the same.  Children can be so stupid, which is why they should be supervised around animals.       I have a relative whose child tried to open a gate to get into a pasture full of cows with calves.  I had to tell kid  three times to stop and then finally I yelled at her  in frustration.   Her mom got mad at me for yelling at her and hurting her little fewlings.    Well excuse me for saving your stupid dumbass five year old who never listens to anyone including you, from getting trampled to death by angry momma cows.  Next time I'll let her go pet them like she wanted and we'll see how that goes.
2014-07-21 01:38:44 PM
2 votes:

Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.
2014-07-21 01:37:32 PM
2 votes:

bikkurikun: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

Then, time and time again, you have it wrong.

It's a combination. A pitbull is dangerous dog if not trained properly, much more so than other breeds. 90% of dogowners have no clue how to train a dogs. It's the combination of allowing untrained owners own killing machines.

The simplest solution is to ban the breed and let it die out, there are plenty of less dangerous dogs to enjoy.


I propose we ban everyone who thinks it is a good idea to ban something.
2014-07-21 01:33:36 PM
2 votes:

scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions


If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.
2014-07-21 01:33:30 PM
2 votes:

JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.


Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.
2014-07-21 01:32:41 PM
2 votes:

AntonChigger: How many attacks were there overall? Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are. It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.


Assuming you're right, what difference does that make? Some dogs kill people, and if the 2013 stats above are correct, most such deaths are caused by Pit Bulls, possibly encouraged by douchebag owners.  We'd be saying essentially the same thing if a Chihuahuas were getting stuck in kids' throats, choking them to death.
2014-07-21 01:32:04 PM
2 votes:

JesseL: Giltric: Coyotes and wolves are trained by secret forest ninjas.

Dingos are trained by aborigines.

Its true.

You do realize how vanishingly rare it is for a person to be attacked by wolves, coyotes, or dingos; don't you?


And it's even rarer for people to be attacked WITHOUT PROVOCATION. A healthy wolf, coyote or dingo is generally not gonna bother with humans that don't fark with it.

More on topic, I've done a lot of fostering of "bad breeds" in the past, and the only pit I had trouble with was an ex-fighter who went berserk if he even glimpsed another dog. To us, he was the sweetest damn thing on the planet, but because .some scumbags trained him to violently hate other dogs, he had to be put down. And I sincerely wish those scumbags had their tiny, shriveled dicks cut off with a rusty hacksaw.

Dozens of pits have passed through my house over the years. Two of them stayed (although both have since passed on), and were among the most loving pets I've ever had. People who blame the breed are absolute dipshiats.
2014-07-21 01:29:04 PM
2 votes:

gunther_bumpass: That means nothing without a survey of owner traits. Try again, balloon head.


Nah. I already Googled stuff for you.

I'll let you take it from here, if you're actually interested in learning anything.  Otherwise, it's just a waste of time.
2014-07-21 01:28:37 PM
2 votes:

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Then, time and time again, you have it wrong.

It's a combination. A pitbull is dangerous dog if not trained properly, much more so than other breeds. 90% of dogowners have no clue how to train a dogs. It's the combination of allowing untrained owners own killing machines.

The simplest solution is to ban the breed and let it die out, there are plenty of less dangerous dogs to enjoy.
2014-07-21 01:28:26 PM
2 votes:

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

That means nothing without a survey of owner traits. Try again, balloon head.


We can't have contextual information that would run contrary to the narrative!  That would be rational!
2014-07-21 01:26:18 PM
2 votes:

towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.


That means nothing without a survey of owner traits. Try again, balloon head.
2014-07-21 01:24:49 PM
2 votes:

ExpressPork: Knowing this, is it unreasonable to assume that some breeds are more inclined to be much more aggressive?


Well, a lot of "dog people" aren't known for their reasoning powers when it comes to their fur-babies.

That's mostly the problem. People who anthropomorphize another species and leave their brains at the doggie-door.

There are good owners, of course, but there are lots and lots and lots of idiots.
2014-07-21 01:19:13 PM
2 votes:

gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


When looking at the total population of dogs, yes the percentage of them that attack/kill a person is pretty low. But when a majority of those attacks come from a single breed, it does start to represent that breed.

/Doesn't mind pit bulls
//Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions
2014-07-21 01:15:30 PM
2 votes:
Show me a pattern of maulings by Labradors and maybe then I'll try not to reflexively move to the other side of the jogging trail when I pass pit bulls.
2014-07-21 01:14:26 PM
2 votes:

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Yes but it is well-known that different breeds are inclined towards different personality traits.  You can look up any breed and find out all about what their behavior is like.  

Knowing this, is it unreasonable to assume that some breeds are more inclined to be much more aggressive?
2014-07-21 01:06:02 PM
2 votes:
You mean there are Muslim dogs? I had no idea.
2014-07-21 01:06:00 PM
2 votes:

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Except for the ones that maul em on site.
2014-07-21 09:30:49 AM
2 votes:
Impossible. There was a thread about one of these darlings licking someone awake not too long ago!
2014-07-21 11:06:52 PM
1 votes:

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: The only cool pitbull was Spuds McKenzie and Petey.

The rest are stone cold killers

Pitbulls are like tattoos.   They help identify the DERP

[img.fark.net image 201x251][www.blogcdn.com image 425x270]


According to jaylectricity's link (Wikipedia, and a few other sources), that's a bull terrier, not a pit bull.

This is an American pit bull terrier:

www.pickthepit.com

Here's a video of both together.
So please put away your police-issue guide.

ts3.explicit.bing.net

:)
2014-07-21 10:59:47 PM
1 votes:

Friction8r: stonelotus: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

/CSB

Thanks. Here's another: concert in city park. Crowds flock to tent due to rain. Couple bring their pitbulls into tent near children. Lightning strikes. Dogs get upset and lunge at children. Entire crowd tells owners to leave NOW and take their psycho dogs with them or die. Again...VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners


Here's one for you... This guy I knew used to always take his pitbull with him in his old 70's customized van whenever he would go fishing.  He'd always stop at McDonald's and get his dog a happy meal.  The dog LOVED happy meals but he usually tore the toys to shreds LOL.  Anyway, this one day it was really rainy but my friend decided to go fishing anyway. It was thundering something fierce and it was one of those days that looked like nighttime in the middle of the day.  You could smell a faint hint of ozone from the lightning strikes.  If you've never gone fishing in the rain I highly recommend it.  Something about the raindrops hitting the water brings out the lunkers.  Like they think it's bugs landing on the water or something. My buddy and his dog were cruising along like they always did, the dog's window rolled down so he could stick his snout out the window, rain coming in the window, Led Zeppelin IVcranked up on the stereo.

They had both just finished their lunch from McDonalds and were almost to the creek when a mother squirrel and her brood of baby squirrels made an attempt to cross the slick road in front of the van.  My friend instinctively hit the brakes and wrenched the steering wheel to avoid splattering the little squirrel family all over hell and creation.  When he did, he just narrowly avoided the squirrels but his van went into a sideways slide.  The wheels hit a dry spot of road that had been shielded from the rain by a big elm tree, grabbed hold of the asphalt, and highsided the van.  The van rolled once down the wet grassy embankment on the side of the road and came to an abrupt stop.  The pitbull was flung free of the van through the half open window but Paul was still inside.  He was knocked out cold but still held in place by his seatbelt.  The pit loyally stayed by his master's side until a passing driver stopped when he saw the van pitched in the ditch.  The driver approached the van but my friend's dog made no aggressive moves toward the driver.  He seemed to sense this guy was here to help.

When the EMT/Fire Rescue showed up they had to use the Jaws Of Life to pry the driver's side door open.  When they got the door open and stuck their heads inside to check on my friend, Stairway to Heaven was still playing on the stereo!  Oh, and when the passerby stopped?  The dog chased down and ate those farking squirrels.
2014-07-21 08:39:49 PM
1 votes:

Chummer45: [guns/pit bulls] aren't inherently bad
It's irresponsible owners of [guns/pit bulls] that are the problem
So quit talking about how [guns/pit bulls] are dangerous because, even though they do kill a hell of a lot of people, it's really their irresponsible owner's fault at the end of the day.
Sorry about your dead loved one - my "right" to own unregulated [pit bulls / gun] ownership trumps public safety.


Except that dogs have their own volition - guns don't. If a dog decides to kill, it can do so (or attempt to do so) on its own. A gun will never decide to kill - it takes a person to the pull the trigger.
2014-07-21 07:41:04 PM
1 votes:
Late & tangential...
Every breed to its purpose, I suppose.
Remember an article, from the Regional section of the NYT, in the late `80's, describing the `warrant police' and how they'd outfit themselves if they knew Pits (or other biters) were on the premise of the offender.  Tranq. guns, leather leg gauntlets and nets.  If the article was accurate, the offenders often outfitted their Pits with leather vests that would cause the tranq darts to glance off.

All I could think of, after reading the article was that Spain Rodriguez should had this material to work from back when he was drawing for Zap comics.

Chows, in packs, are very intelligent and aggressive (to a point - they knew who would shoot at them).  When the County finally paved our road in `00, the `pack' disappeared pretty quickly (not so smart that they avoided becoming road kill).
2014-07-21 07:14:15 PM
1 votes:

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


A specific type of gun that, if left uncared for for a while, will decide to try to escape from your gunsafe and eat a child. Yes. Or that might randomly decide to fire while you're taking it for a walk in the park.
2014-07-21 06:10:43 PM
1 votes:

Geoff Peterson: FarkinHostile: Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.

false equivalency is false.


Yeah, according to the FBI, African Americans commit way more murders than pit bulls
2014-07-21 06:06:24 PM
1 votes:

Dragonflew: Regarding the interpretation of commands, I was reading an interesting article recently that said (I paraphrase): So, you have just spent an hour in the living room teaching your dog to sit. Congratulations. Your dog now knows how to sit in the living room.


I've got a Border Collie-German Shepherd mix that I've never had to put much training into at all. I tell him what to do, he takes his best guess at what I mean, I correct him if necessary, and now he knows. Forever.

Easier to work with than most children.
2014-07-21 05:58:47 PM
1 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: JesseL: GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!

Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?

Apparently pigs kill a lot of people.


They do if you're stupid enough to climb into the pen with a big one in a bad mood.
2014-07-21 05:45:59 PM
1 votes:

Friction8r: FarkinHostile: rbuzby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.

If by goes nuts you mean accidentally knocks her over with overly enthusiastic licking, then yes.

He's got 30 lbs on her and she only has 2 legs.

Yeah she only has 2 legs NOW, but after the pitbull goes nuts she may only have one leg. Good job!


Or three!

Maybe she gets so excited by meeting a nice doggy and she turns to her mother but trips and puts a hand out to catch herself but wedges it in a big crack in the sidewalk and breaks it. Then it turns out that the ER doctor is a mad scientist.
2014-07-21 05:09:45 PM
1 votes:

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?

What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?

 we   disagree on a fundamental level about the reasons these dogs are responsible for the attacks so when you pose such a question I would just say the people would just move on to some other masculine looking dog and then like pittbulls taking the crown from german shepherds that same thing would happen and a new dog would be in the crosshairs.


Also, the "cost" of "letting" a breed of dog die is that you can't just allow it to die.  It doesn't happen passively.  You don't post on Fark, get everyone to agree and then all the pit bulls magically disappear, leaving children free to roam the land safely at will.  What these bans ultimately entail is removing and euthanizing people's pets, whether they've harmed anyone or not and killing out of hand any animals in shelters. It's fine if they aren't taking your dog away or you don't have to be the one to give the needle to otherwise healthy, friendly dogs every day for years but it would be miserable for anyone affected, especially *good* owners because those would be the ones most compelled to follow the law.  And, yeah the scumbags would just find another breed and we'd start that fun process over again.
2014-07-21 04:47:48 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

When looking at the total population of dogs, yes the percentage of them that attack/kill a person is pretty low. But when a majority of those attacks come from a single breed, it does start to represent that breed.

/Doesn't mind pit bulls
//Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions


I am a dog person, but there are three breeds I will never, ever own again.  I will never own an Akita-mauled and have nasty scars on my right hand and forearm, even after obedience training and no prior warning; was the so-called perfect dog until she snapped one evening and it was a shock, no previous signs of aggression had been shown by her and this is at the 3 year mark.  Pit Bulls-yeah, had a friend who owned one and he was super loverly, I was never afraid of him, but will not own one-he hated my husband and hubs was actually afraid to touch him.  He came from a good blood line, but I'll never trust the people who breed these dogs.  Chihuahua-also attacked me and those lil farkers can bite.  I bled pretty good.  Nope, not in my house.  I don't hate any of these breeds, but will not allow them in my house ever again.

/current dog is a Pug/something mix and doesn't bite so she can stay, even though I prefer big dogs over the small ones.  I'm always afraid I'm gonna step on her
//bad breeders and bloodlines abound.  I will never have another so-called bully breed under my roof, even if I can be friendly with them-next door neighbors have a red-nosed Pit, Princess and she is sweet, but I would never own her
2014-07-21 04:47:36 PM
1 votes:
FarkinHostile:

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.
2014-07-21 04:43:01 PM
1 votes:

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?


What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?
2014-07-21 04:29:17 PM
1 votes:

kindms: They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc


This.

So many people trying to turn this into a pitbull thing when it's not.  Parents didn't supervise their toddler, toddler got himself killed doing something stupid which he couldn't have known better..

Banning everything that is dangerous to a 4 year old would be stupid.  Parents NEED to keep an eye on their kid.

Parenting failure, not dog owner failure.
2014-07-21 04:25:30 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?


well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"
2014-07-21 04:11:42 PM
1 votes:
It's sooo hard to teach kids not to touch things in other people's homes, isn't it?
2014-07-21 04:08:52 PM
1 votes:

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Let's start with the ones calling for the heads of all pit bulls.
2014-07-21 03:38:58 PM
1 votes:

stonelotus: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

/CSB


Thanks. Here's another: concert in city park. Crowds flock to tent due to rain. Couple bring their pitbulls into tent near children. Lightning strikes. Dogs get upset and lunge at children. Entire crowd tells owners to leave NOW and take their psycho dogs with them or die. Again...VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners
2014-07-21 03:34:50 PM
1 votes:

happydude45: You mean there are Muslim dogs? I had no idea.


They are usually called Afghans.
2014-07-21 03:07:20 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: pat34us: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Golden Retriever? Off to Google I go.

Here's one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711


The baby was in a swing when Lucky, a golden retriever-Labrador mix, bit the child several times and tore off his legs, authorities said.
The child's father, Quintin, was in the home at the time, police said. He was in another room asleep with the family's 3-year-old and their other dog.

Something doesn't add up
2014-07-21 02:59:38 PM
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.


A friend has two Labs about a year and a half old.  They are sweet dogs and are hysterical to watch play/wrestle together.  However as friendly as they may be, they are tiresome to deal with and because of that I don't visit nearly as often as I used to.  They bark, they jump, they rake, they beg, they mouth things and leave drool all over them, and almost constantly demand attention... things that a non-dog-owner isn't accustomed to dealing with, and frankly (at least in my case) find REALLY irritating REALLY fast, and a lot of dog owners don't seem to understand that.
2014-07-21 02:54:08 PM
1 votes:
I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime
2014-07-21 02:52:26 PM
1 votes:

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


This is a great comparison because those guns that are used to kill people do it all by themselves.
2014-07-21 02:52:14 PM
1 votes:

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


I'd say it's more akin to outlawing cannons while allowing smaller arms that are less broadly dangerous. But we could never have that...
2014-07-21 02:41:58 PM
1 votes:

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


I'm not for outlawing, but I am for holding the owners to high liability standards. If your pit attacks someone that should be mandatory jail time for you, if your dog kills someone you get charger with 1st degree murder. If it is a vicious mauling a child to death the owner should be executed. I'm sure pit owners would welcome such laws to weed out bad owners, one way or another.
2014-07-21 02:38:13 PM
1 votes:

Cold_Sassy: Your kids are your responsibility. Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?


A four year old doesn't understand that gravity is going to make that jump off the couch hurt until after he/she tries it.  But the jump off the couch isn't usually fatal.

I guess your strategy is that we should teach our children to be automatically terrified of Pitbulls.  Come to think of it, that is a good idea.  It would lead to a generation much more inclined to simply work to have the breed eliminated completely.  A world without pitbulls would be better.  I like your plan.
2014-07-21 02:34:31 PM
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Right, while attending your child's funeral, you can comfort yourself with the warm righteousness
that comes with being technically correctTM.
2014-07-21 02:34:00 PM
1 votes:

kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.


outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?
2014-07-21 02:32:19 PM
1 votes:

rka: kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.

They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.


You should definitely tell that to the family of the dead kid. It makes complete sense and will help them understand. The world needs your sage advice.
2014-07-21 02:25:11 PM
1 votes:

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Its like folks just dont get it. Almost noone will argue that when dalmations get older, since they are predisposed genetically for the condition, they will go deaf and likely start getting mean because of it. Pits are predisposed to encephalitus genetically, which as they age could very reasonably set off aggressive behavior, not to mention the breed was made for fighting. Nobody will argue that a hound wasn't bred for tracking and hunting, a shephard wasn't bred for herding, or that sled dogs weren't bred for pulling sleds. Why argue that pits weren't bred to fight? Its in their goddamn name! This doesn't make them evil, just make sure when you own and are around these dogs, hell, ANY dog, you fully understand what their purpose in life is and the consequences of that purpose. Keep an eye out for the medical issues prevalent in your breed; hell, get a mutt.

This isn't good or evil, its about using common sense when it comes to your approach to major components of your life, and ultimately others. Is a daschund best suited to pull sleds, or hunt badgers? Is a border collie best suited for waterfowl hunting, or sheep herding? Is a pit bull best suited for watching over children, or guarding a house or vault? This isn't some form of twisted racism, folks. Artificial selection is a goddamned science.
2014-07-21 02:21:15 PM
1 votes:

Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.


You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...
2014-07-21 02:20:11 PM
1 votes:
racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.
2014-07-21 02:16:49 PM
1 votes:

kindms: theknuckler_33: Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.

The same thought came in to my head as soon as I read the article. What other reason are you leaving the young impressionable one alone in a room. And maybe they concocted the story of them being crated AFTER the kid was found mauled.


Maybe they just wanted to do away with the little brat, and they knew leaving him locked in a hot car would look suspicious.

Stick him in with Uncle Jed's crazy dogs, and let him cover himself in ice cream to sweeten the deal. The dogs take all the heat, an the humans get off scot-free. The only way this would have looked more suspicious is if they'd given the kid some raw meat to play with instead of ice cream.
2014-07-21 02:15:41 PM
1 votes:

rbuzby: It seems like dogs bred for fighting could be more dangerous than dogs bred for hunting or companionship.


Man, I am learning so much about my pit bull today! Thanks Fark!
2014-07-21 02:06:49 PM
1 votes:

dk47: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Most dog attacks are on kids.


Kids are notoriously bad at understanding when a dog, cat, or even a person is saying "No" or "stop."

The kid is provoking without realizing it.  Adults should be around to ensure the kid learns how to read the dog's language.
2014-07-21 02:05:21 PM
1 votes:

JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.


I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak, but if this were true then it would be true of all dogs bred for a specific purpose, and if you have ever owned a variety of dog breeds, you would have noticed that this is not true, and instinct is often overrated when it comes to popular breeds because other traits have been more preferred by the people who bred and refined the the breed.

Bench-style Irish setters couldn't flush a bird if you waved three pheasants in front of their nose, nor can most American cocker spaniels, because breeders wanted them to look pretty, with feathery coats and great toplines and didn't care if they could flush or not. Bulldogs, do not go bonkers when faced with a bull because they were bred for appearance, and there wouldn't ever be a friendly Doberman, Rottweilers or Mastiffs, but there are... because people wanted them as companions and helpers and bred selectively for that.

Selective breeding can breed an instinct out, and an instinct in. Socialization can impart how free a dog feels free to indulge those instincts. You start with two people breeding their biggest and baddest bluenoses, and those pups being raised by a clueless owner, you end up with one dog. You breed two mellow dogs with correct temperaments together, and have those pups raised by someone who can train and socialize, you end up with another.
2014-07-21 02:00:51 PM
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?


Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.
2014-07-21 01:58:34 PM
1 votes:

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were to attack somebody that wasn't breaking into my house, I will still say it's the owner's (my) fault it happened.


I've seen three pits "hulk out" I don't believe any of them were being trained or beaten to be made aggressive. They are unbelievably strong even for an animal, and they can and will kill anything they can when they go off the rails. I hoped your puppy is monitored and kept secure, for everyone's else's safety. I know how strong they can be from firsthand experience as a child I made it over a fence, barely. And what did I do to provoke the dog? I road by the house on the street, it drug me into it's yard. I know pit bull owners believe a lot of BS about how it's all bad owners but don't fool yourself. Pits can go off for reasons people don't understand and when they do they are killers.
2014-07-21 01:58:09 PM
1 votes:

Chummer45: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.


Seriously.  This reminds me so much of the Second Amendment stuff.

The argument is as follows:

[guns/pit bulls] aren't inherently bad
It's irresponsible owners of [guns/pit bulls] that are the problem
So quit talking about how [guns/pit bulls] are dangerous because, even though they do kill a hell of a lot of people, it's really their irresponsible owner's fault at the end of the day.
Sorry about your dead loved one - my "right" to own unregulated [pit bulls / gun] ownership trumps public safety.


The difference of being that a 90lb dog can break out of a back yard and roam the streets of it's accord. A gun can't.

But you keep farking that chicken.
2014-07-21 01:57:53 PM
1 votes:
As someone currently getting cuddled to death by a vicious man eating pit bill, I'm getting a kick out of this thread
2014-07-21 01:57:45 PM
1 votes:

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: This study represents "all statistics" as you stated? And why are you glossing over that they list the Humane Society as a source as well? That kind of ruins your argument.

I gloss over the HSUS because they're complete whack jobs with zero credibility on anything except raising money for themselves.


Ah. So you're abandoning the "all the statistics are from media reports" line and pivoting to vaguely attacking the source that you didn't want to mention to push the idea that the numbers cannot be trusted since they came from media reports.

Can you pick apart their numbers for us? Show us where they are wrong.
2014-07-21 01:57:34 PM
1 votes:

Big Beef Burrito: I hate dog people.


Nice try, now GTFO of the thread.
2014-07-21 01:54:48 PM
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.


The same thought came in to my head as soon as I read the article. What other reason are you leaving the young impressionable one alone in a room. And maybe they concocted the story of them being crated AFTER the kid was found mauled.
2014-07-21 01:54:40 PM
1 votes:
I once tried to bring a Strattfordshire Terrier (Pit Bull) into my home and assimilate it into the group of dogs I had at home. Although the new dog had no history or experience with fighting other dogs, shortly after bringing it into the group, it began to place its head over the necks of the other dogs. This was a sure sign that the new dog was preparing to assert its dominance.

Sadly, I had to take that beauty back to the shelter, because I wasn't prepared to "fight it out" with her.
2014-07-21 01:53:07 PM
1 votes:

seapig: But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.


As someone else pointed out earlier, in the 70's the tough guy breed was the doberman (damn you Higgins), then the rottweiler, etc. You never hear of doberman attacks now (until some aspie googles it and returns here triumphant in their pedantry, of course), you don't have people flipping out about half-breed dobermans.. People are just crazy. Dogs are a lot of work - many people that have them shouldn't have them. But what are you going to do? Some dips hit irresponsible thug is going to go out and get himself the dips hit irresponsible thug dog du jour. If Pitt Bulls (and the panoply of mutts so classified) are outlawed, they'll turn to another type of dog and make that the fashionable irresponsible dipshiat thug dog.

Meanwhile everyone remembers the one time a vicious pitt looked at them funny and joins the pee-pants banning brigade.

CSB: I met a couple of Michael Vick's former dogs at a rescue event a few years ago, and still have my face and most of my fingers.
2014-07-21 01:51:50 PM
1 votes:
dualplains: I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.

You mean the organization that has been re-naming the breed since 1936? That organization?

There are legal definitions. See above.
2014-07-21 01:48:47 PM
1 votes:

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736:

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.


i55.tinypic.com
2014-07-21 01:47:37 PM
1 votes:

blindio: When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.


Tells us more Jimmy The Greek

;)
GBB
2014-07-21 01:46:30 PM
1 votes:
Owning a pitbull is like playing baseball with a hand grenade.  Sure, it might not go off every time you play with it, but it will go off eventually.   And, until it does, it's the safest thing ever.
2014-07-21 01:46:17 PM
1 votes:
The argument from Pit Bull apologists is "scumbags and bad people own them because they're 'tough' dogs and that's why they're trained poorly and kill people."  Whereas the "nice" pits are raised by good owners with white picket fences in suburbs where people have oatmeal or yogurt for breakfast and everyone is named "Charles" or "Chad."

Haven't seen any socioeconomic data that backs that up. Seems like anecdotal evidence to me, and the doggie equivalent of "only bad guys can't be trusted with guns."
rka
2014-07-21 01:46:00 PM
1 votes:

kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.


They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.
2014-07-21 01:45:55 PM
1 votes:
When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.
2014-07-21 01:44:52 PM
1 votes:

Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


Absolutely. And if domestic cats were the size of tigers they would be problematic pets too. But they're not, so instead of dead kids you just get a few scratches.
2014-07-21 01:39:27 PM
1 votes:

kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.


That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were to attack somebody that wasn't breaking into my house, I will still say it's the owner's (my) fault it happened.
2014-07-21 01:39:25 PM
1 votes:

gunther_bumpass: Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.


Facts:

*"Pit Bull" refers to a class of dogs that includes the American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, American bulldog and any other pure bred or mixed breed dog that is a combination of these dogs.
* Despite making up about 6% of all dog breeds in the us, they're responsible for the majority of fatalities.
* Of these, most are children under the age of 7 (2013 stats)
* In 2013, over one-third, 38%, of all dog bite fatality victims were either visiting or living temporarily with the dog's owner when the fatal attack occurred.

Etc etc.
2014-07-21 01:39:00 PM
1 votes:
I hate dog people.
2014-07-21 01:38:46 PM
1 votes:

AntonChigger: Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.

How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds,

but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.

___________________



Which is to say that Pit Bulls are a dangerous breed. That was your point, right?
2014-07-21 01:38:19 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Because they've been bred to be strong, and cowards train them to fight, or 'guard', or otherwise be over-aggressive.

Why don't we ban steak knives? I mean, they're far deadlier than butter knives, right?
2014-07-21 01:38:14 PM
1 votes:
Outlaw all pure-bred dogs. After 15 years of mixed breeds we'll be back at base level dog, then we can start working towards breeds again. Might get rid of all the genetic ailments for awhile too.
2014-07-21 01:37:17 PM
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.


I knew someone who killed her border collie puppy because of this behaviour. It didn't even nip at their child, it nipped at someone jogging by. She did not even consider giving her away, she immediately had her killed. Or in her words (which infuriated me even more), "helped her to sleep".

This woman is a sociopathic slimeball monster who later abandoned her own child.

Some people should just not own dogs.
2014-07-21 01:36:53 PM
1 votes:
Darwin approves. Little idiot decided to play with the caged, cuddly balls of muscle and snarling teeth and removed himself from the gene pool. I put this on the parents.
2014-07-21 01:36:47 PM
1 votes:

Target Builder: And you can't exclude the breed entirely - pit bulls were bred to be extremely efficient at killing mammals about the size of a small child.


Americans really have gotten fat. Our small children are the size of European black bears.
2014-07-21 01:35:52 PM
1 votes:

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.



Seriously.  This reminds me so much of the Second Amendment stuff.

The argument is as follows:

[guns/pit bulls] aren't inherently bad
It's irresponsible owners of [guns/pit bulls] that are the problem
So quit talking about how [guns/pit bulls] are dangerous because, even though they do kill a hell of a lot of people, it's really their irresponsible owner's fault at the end of the day.
Sorry about your dead loved one - my "right" to own unregulated [pit bulls / gun] ownership trumps public safety.
2014-07-21 01:34:44 PM
1 votes:
My brother brought his pit to a family gathering without letting anyone know he was planning to (giving us no ability to request he leave it at home). In his mind the dog was going to be running free while the kids were around playing. In reality he was forced to hold the leash all day. Kept telling stories about how great the dog was. How they went to some concert festival and how the dog actually took a protective stance over some kids who were being ignored by their parents.

That's great bro, but every dog is a great dog up until the point that it isn't. And when pits aren't anymore they have a habit of killing far more often than other dogs. Leave her at home next time.
2014-07-21 01:33:13 PM
1 votes:

towatchoverme: You'll see a Fark Independent TM admit Climate Change may be man-made before convincing Pit Bull apologists the breed may be a tad kill-y.


I don't see one person in this thread denying that pit bull could kill a person, and quite easily.  What the "pit bull apologists" are saying, and what you seem to deny is that a dog can be trained to be prone to aggression towards others (people or animals) or they can be trained to behave and be gentle.  Hell, if I didn't go out of my way to tell people NOT to approach my dog (who was abandoned and abused and is prone to resource guarding behavior, plus being old and cranky) I'm sure he'd have bitten someone by now.  He's a chi mix so I don't think it would be deadly, but it's the responsibility of the owner to keep the "kill-y" behavior in check, and it is possible to do so.

I also happen to live in a neighborhood with a prevalence of assholes who have a good time provoking dogs.  When a dog growls or barks at them they laugh and growl back or stomp their feet and scream "come at me bro" HAHAHAHA. Guess who will be screaming about the danger of dogs when their faces get ripped off.

Your strawmen are pretting f-ing weak if you think just because we don't want a breed exterminated that we don't think it could be dangerous.
2014-07-21 01:31:03 PM
1 votes:
"Four-year-old boy loved to death by two Dogs of Peace™ "


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2014-07-21 01:29:16 PM
1 votes:

towatchoverme: AntonChigger: How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.

You realize this isn't exactly an argument in your favour, right?

I'm just asking, because you appear not to have read what you wrote.


I'm not arguing for or against anything, I'm just saying that a key piece of information required to get the whole picture is missing.
2014-07-21 01:28:12 PM
1 votes:
Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Anyone see a problem with this methodology?
2014-07-21 01:27:43 PM
1 votes:
Sounds like the uncle knew his dogs weren't very people friendly; or at least not kid friendly. Criminal negligence; possibly manslaughter.
2014-07-21 01:25:37 PM
1 votes:

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


This would be a big win, right here.
2014-07-21 01:25:17 PM
1 votes:

I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the market for some rags to wipe off the slobber so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.


FTFY
2014-07-21 01:24:28 PM
1 votes:

GoldSpider: Show me a pattern of maulings by Labradors and maybe then I'll try not to reflexively move to the other side of the jogging trail when I pass pit bulls.


My black lab once viciously attacked me to go outside at 4am by licking my ear and then sneezing on me. Truly Americas greatest threat.


//please show all deaths via Labradors.
2014-07-21 01:24:22 PM
1 votes:

kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.


/wave

Pitt bull owner.
2014-07-21 01:24:11 PM
1 votes:
Is this the pit bull thread where two opposed sides make retarded arguments because neither one has a simple understanding of how statistics work?
2014-07-21 01:23:40 PM
1 votes:

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


True, but problems arise when the exceptions to 'tend' and 'most' align with "very powerful dog bred to be  an efficient killer".

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


TFA isn't clear on whether the dogs knew the child or not or were used to kids - they may have thought someone was trespassing on their owner's property. Or the kid may have rough housed with the dogs and then one panicked. There are a lot of things that can happen without the owner mistreating the dog.

And you can't exclude the breed entirely - pit bulls were bred to be extremely efficient at killing mammals about the size of a small child. They are incredibly powerful dogs that can cause immense damage very quickly. I'm not saying a Pit is more or less likely to attack a child than, say, a Pomeranian, but that if this were a Pomeranian attack we'd probably be looking at the kid ending up with a few stitches to show off at school the next day.
2014-07-21 01:22:57 PM
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Pit bulls are the main reason I got my CHL.
2014-07-21 01:22:52 PM
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Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.


How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.
2014-07-21 01:22:30 PM
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Giltric: Coyotes and wolves are trained by secret forest ninjas.

Dingos are trained by aborigines.

Its true.


You do realize how vanishingly rare it is for a person to be attacked by wolves, coyotes, or dingos; don't you?
2014-07-21 01:20:40 PM
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Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.
2014-07-21 01:20:36 PM
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kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Agreed. It's the dog's owner and the kid's mom fault for leaving this child unattended with these kid rippers. Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.
2014-07-21 01:19:40 PM
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Vodka Zombie: We don't let retarded people fly fighter jets for the same reason we shouldn't let idiots own pit bulls.

They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.


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2014-07-21 01:18:36 PM
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kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.


Good point. I've know exactly one who wasn't a scumbag and his pit bull was a gentle as a kitten. But he was careful to buy one from a reputable breeder, who did not breed dogs for fighting and carefully vetted potential buyers.
2014-07-21 01:18:25 PM
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But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.
2014-07-21 01:10:16 PM
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evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Texas is doing their best.
2014-07-21 01:09:44 PM
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towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next


oooh ooh... i nominate chows!
2014-07-21 01:08:37 PM
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Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.
 
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