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(CBS Miami)   Four-year-old boy loved to death by two Dogs of Peace™   (miami.cbslocal.com) divider line 397
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2014-07-21 09:30:49 AM
Impossible. There was a thread about one of these darlings licking someone awake not too long ago!
 
2014-07-21 09:52:48 AM
csb:  After a young boy in the area was mauled to death by dogs, my uncle was the SPCA officer sent to collect and put down the dogs.  He made the news.... the Weekly World News.  Astonishingly, the story (which was short) was actually 100% true.  No aliens or batboy or anything.
 
2014-07-21 10:30:05 AM
Soooo who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)?

Seriously though, the story jumps from "Billy Frederick Sr., Logan's uncle, put the dogs in crates just before the boy arrived" to "The adults heard screaming and discovered that the boy was not in the house, Carter said" and then "Frederick immediately put the dogs in crates again"
 
2014-07-21 12:51:00 PM
I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.
 
2014-07-21 01:05:23 PM
Pit bull enthusiasts are like those women that date prisoners.
 
2014-07-21 01:06:00 PM

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Except for the ones that maul em on site.
 
2014-07-21 01:06:00 PM

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Let's play Pit Bull Bingo.

Who has "bad owner not bad dogs" in the centre square?
 
2014-07-21 01:06:02 PM
You mean there are Muslim dogs? I had no idea.
 
2014-07-21 01:06:51 PM
*Them
*Sight
 
2014-07-21 01:07:44 PM
To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless
 
2014-07-21 01:07:52 PM
Show me a bad dog, and I'll show you an idiot owner.
 
2014-07-21 01:08:28 PM
if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs
 
2014-07-21 01:08:37 PM
Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.
 
2014-07-21 01:09:44 PM

towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next


oooh ooh... i nominate chows!
 
2014-07-21 01:10:16 PM

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Texas is doing their best.
 
2014-07-21 01:10:18 PM
"Ah now, Logan, you just stop all that cryin' an actin' lik a l'il pussy. They jus wanna play widja a bit!"
 
2014-07-21 01:11:02 PM

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs




Okay, you round up all the bears. I'll wait here with this beer.
 
2014-07-21 01:11:17 PM

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.
 
2014-07-21 01:12:08 PM

chewd: towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next

oooh ooh... i nominate chows!


Ovcharkas.
 
2014-07-21 01:12:18 PM

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Da fuq?

You are amazingly incorrect, sir.
 
2014-07-21 01:12:47 PM

Yogimus: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Except for the ones that maul em on site.


And the ones that take them somewhere else to maul them.
 
2014-07-21 01:13:12 PM

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


You forgot the hopelessly deluded attempt to humanize these four-legged monsters by calling them "pibbles".
 
2014-07-21 01:13:22 PM

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.
 
2014-07-21 01:13:54 PM

Carousel Beast: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Da fuq?

You are amazingly incorrect, sir.


Coyotes and wolves are trained by secret forest ninjas.

Dingos are trained by aborigines.

Its true.
 
2014-07-21 01:13:57 PM

towatchoverme: * Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


At the same time?!

That's unpossible.
 
2014-07-21 01:14:26 PM

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Yes but it is well-known that different breeds are inclined towards different personality traits.  You can look up any breed and find out all about what their behavior is like.  

Knowing this, is it unreasonable to assume that some breeds are more inclined to be much more aggressive?
 
2014-07-21 01:14:43 PM

gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.




"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.
 
2014-07-21 01:15:03 PM
I guess I can google this, but is there a list of all the people killed by dogs and which breed of dog they were? So, we can settle this once and for all?
 
2014-07-21 01:15:09 PM
We don't let retarded people fly fighter jets for the same reason we shouldn't let idiots own pit bulls.

They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.
 
2014-07-21 01:15:30 PM
Show me a pattern of maulings by Labradors and maybe then I'll try not to reflexively move to the other side of the jogging trail when I pass pit bulls.
 
2014-07-21 01:16:36 PM

towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.


I guess my question was a little late.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:00 PM
You'll see a Fark Independent TM admit Climate Change may be man-made before convincing Pit Bull apologists the breed may be a tad kill-y.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:25 PM
But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:36 PM

kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.


Good point. I've know exactly one who wasn't a scumbag and his pit bull was a gentle as a kitten. But he was careful to buy one from a reputable breeder, who did not breed dogs for fighting and carefully vetted potential buyers.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:37 PM

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


I've had three very bad instances with pits in just my experience. It's more than a few a year unless my experiences are an extreme anomaly which I doubt.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:53 PM
As long as the owner is around the dogs should be fine. Require certain breeds to have the owner/pack leader present at all times.
 
2014-07-21 01:19:13 PM

gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


When looking at the total population of dogs, yes the percentage of them that attack/kill a person is pretty low. But when a majority of those attacks come from a single breed, it does start to represent that breed.

/Doesn't mind pit bulls
//Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions
 
2014-07-21 01:19:34 PM
It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

Pit bulls are bred to kill other dogs.  They are selected from source stocks speciffically for this purpose.  They must attack quickly before the other doggie gets the upper hand.  Now when a kid about the same size as a bigger doggie moves in a way the doggie doesn't expect, instinct kicks in and now you have a bad doggie doing what it was bred to do.  But this time the kid's neck is ripped out.
 
2014-07-21 01:19:40 PM

Vodka Zombie: We don't let retarded people fly fighter jets for the same reason we shouldn't let idiots own pit bulls.

They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.


d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net
 
2014-07-21 01:20:36 PM

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Agreed. It's the dog's owner and the kid's mom fault for leaving this child unattended with these kid rippers. Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.
 
2014-07-21 01:20:40 PM
Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.
 
2014-07-21 01:22:30 PM

Giltric: Coyotes and wolves are trained by secret forest ninjas.

Dingos are trained by aborigines.

Its true.


You do realize how vanishingly rare it is for a person to be attacked by wolves, coyotes, or dingos; don't you?
 
2014-07-21 01:22:52 PM

Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.


How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.
 
2014-07-21 01:22:57 PM
Pit bulls are the main reason I got my CHL.
 
2014-07-21 01:23:07 PM
Dogs (not even pits) do not attack people for no reason unless they are trained (or not trained).  The relatives should have been arrested for involuntary manslaughter and potential dog fighting.
 
2014-07-21 01:23:40 PM

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


True, but problems arise when the exceptions to 'tend' and 'most' align with "very powerful dog bred to be  an efficient killer".

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


TFA isn't clear on whether the dogs knew the child or not or were used to kids - they may have thought someone was trespassing on their owner's property. Or the kid may have rough housed with the dogs and then one panicked. There are a lot of things that can happen without the owner mistreating the dog.

And you can't exclude the breed entirely - pit bulls were bred to be extremely efficient at killing mammals about the size of a small child. They are incredibly powerful dogs that can cause immense damage very quickly. I'm not saying a Pit is more or less likely to attack a child than, say, a Pomeranian, but that if this were a Pomeranian attack we'd probably be looking at the kid ending up with a few stitches to show off at school the next day.
 
2014-07-21 01:24:05 PM

gnosis301: Impossible. There was a thread about one of these darlings licking someone awake not too long ago!


Tasting
 
2014-07-21 01:24:11 PM
Is this the pit bull thread where two opposed sides make retarded arguments because neither one has a simple understanding of how statistics work?
 
2014-07-21 01:24:22 PM

kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.


/wave

Pitt bull owner.
 
2014-07-21 01:24:28 PM

GoldSpider: Show me a pattern of maulings by Labradors and maybe then I'll try not to reflexively move to the other side of the jogging trail when I pass pit bulls.


My black lab once viciously attacked me to go outside at 4am by licking my ear and then sneezing on me. Truly Americas greatest threat.


//please show all deaths via Labradors.
 
2014-07-21 01:24:49 PM

ExpressPork: Knowing this, is it unreasonable to assume that some breeds are more inclined to be much more aggressive?


Well, a lot of "dog people" aren't known for their reasoning powers when it comes to their fur-babies.

That's mostly the problem. People who anthropomorphize another species and leave their brains at the doggie-door.

There are good owners, of course, but there are lots and lots and lots of idiots.
 
2014-07-21 01:25:17 PM

I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the market for some rags to wipe off the slobber so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.


FTFY
 
2014-07-21 01:25:18 PM

chewd: towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next

oooh ooh... i nominate chows!


How about those bitey terriers?
 
2014-07-21 01:25:37 PM

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


This would be a big win, right here.
 
2014-07-21 01:25:59 PM

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-21 01:26:04 PM

nekom: csb:  After a young boy in the area was mauled to death by dogs, my uncle was the SPCA officer sent to collect and put down the dogs.  He made the news.... the Weekly World News.  Astonishingly, the story (which was short) was actually 100% true.  No aliens or batboy or anything.


Oh great. So the Weekly World News is becoming a legitimate news source.

I suppose I should be surprised. But, it all makes a weird sort of sense... since all the other major news outlets are becoming more like the Weekly World News.

So, this is what it's like on the other side of the looking glass...
 
2014-07-21 01:26:18 PM

towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.


That means nothing without a survey of owner traits. Try again, balloon head.
 
2014-07-21 01:26:24 PM

AntonChigger: How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.


You realize this isn't exactly an argument in your favour, right?

I'm just asking, because you appear not to have read what you wrote.
 
2014-07-21 01:26:53 PM
The precious snowflake probably did something to provoke them.  Whether its a pit bull or a chihuahua, dogs don't like to be farked with.
 
2014-07-21 01:26:58 PM

vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.


Opposite, I have yet to meet a bad pit bull owner or dangerous pitt.
 
2014-07-21 01:27:05 PM
How sad...poor little boy :'(

It's because of the perceived aggressiveness of the "breed" that so many bad/stupid owners seek out Pits in particular. I live in a somewhat "ghetto" area and the only dogs that exist around here are Pits and Pit mixes. A lot of people get it in theit head that they're gonna make money breeding their blue nose Pit without even knowing that most births require a c section to save the biatch.

The folks next door NEVER bring their dog inside; she sits outside barking all day and night, never getting the attention or affection she deserves. And (like many others) they say the reason they do it is because they don't want her to be nice, they just want a guard dog. Well...if the dog doesn't care about you, it's not gonna feel very inclined to protect you should something actually happen. And more often than not, you can easily appease one of those neglected dogs by simply tossing them a treat.

They have no clue what the hell they're doing so yeah, I really am inclined to believe that it has a hell of a lot more to do with the owner than it does the "breed" itself. The folks across from us have a Pit named Pete who is the sweetest thing in the world. I always tease and say he's a little lap dog stuck in a big dog body cuz he's just that affectionate. And he's wonderful with my little Corgi mix and 4 year old niece, because his owners love him and trained him well.

/I say "breed" cuz Pit Bull isn't a specific breed; people could mean any one of a number of different breeds when referring to a Pit Bull. My parents had an American Staffordshire Terrier and he was amazing. People call them Pit Bulls even though they aren't. Isn't Pit Bull Terrier the actual breed name?
 
2014-07-21 01:27:15 PM

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.
 
2014-07-21 01:27:43 PM
Sounds like the uncle knew his dogs weren't very people friendly; or at least not kid friendly. Criminal negligence; possibly manslaughter.
 
2014-07-21 01:28:12 PM
Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Anyone see a problem with this methodology?
 
2014-07-21 01:28:26 PM

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

That means nothing without a survey of owner traits. Try again, balloon head.


We can't have contextual information that would run contrary to the narrative!  That would be rational!
 
2014-07-21 01:28:37 PM

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Then, time and time again, you have it wrong.

It's a combination. A pitbull is dangerous dog if not trained properly, much more so than other breeds. 90% of dogowners have no clue how to train a dogs. It's the combination of allowing untrained owners own killing machines.

The simplest solution is to ban the breed and let it die out, there are plenty of less dangerous dogs to enjoy.
 
2014-07-21 01:28:40 PM

nekom: Weekly World News


You mean "the paper"?
 
2014-07-21 01:29:04 PM

gunther_bumpass: That means nothing without a survey of owner traits. Try again, balloon head.


Nah. I already Googled stuff for you.

I'll let you take it from here, if you're actually interested in learning anything.  Otherwise, it's just a waste of time.
 
2014-07-21 01:29:06 PM

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Golden Retriever? Off to Google I go.
 
2014-07-21 01:29:16 PM

towatchoverme: AntonChigger: How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.

You realize this isn't exactly an argument in your favour, right?

I'm just asking, because you appear not to have read what you wrote.


I'm not arguing for or against anything, I'm just saying that a key piece of information required to get the whole picture is missing.
 
2014-07-21 01:29:41 PM
I don't believe in an eye for an eye or chopping off the hands of thieves but sometimes...

being mauled to death by dogs you've trained to kill would be sweet, sweet justice.
 
2014-07-21 01:30:16 PM

vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.


Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.
 
2014-07-21 01:30:44 PM

seapig: /I say "breed" cuz Pit Bull isn't a specific breed; people could mean any one of a number of different breeds when referring to a Pit Bull. My parents had an American Staffordshire Terrier and he was amazing. People call them Pit Bulls even though they aren't. Isn't Pit Bull Terrier the actual breed name?


Pitbull is usually defined as being a American Staffordshire Terrier or American Pitbull Terrier.  Some laws will also throw in some of the other related breeds, but Saffordshire's and American Pitbull's are pretty much always defined as "pitbulls".
 
2014-07-21 01:30:52 PM

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.
 
2014-07-21 01:31:03 PM
"Four-year-old boy loved to death by two Dogs of Peace™ "


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2014-07-21 01:31:07 PM

seapig: How sad...poor little boy :'(

It's because of the perceived aggressiveness of the "breed" that so many bad/stupid owners seek out Pits in particular. I live in a somewhat "ghetto" area and the only dogs that exist around here are Pits and Pit mixes. A lot of people get it in theit head that they're gonna make money breeding their blue nose Pit without even knowing that most births require a c section to save the biatch.

The folks next door NEVER bring their dog inside; she sits outside barking all day and night, never getting the attention or affection she deserves. And (like many others) they say the reason they do it is because they don't want her to be nice, they just want a guard dog. Well...if the dog doesn't care about you, it's not gonna feel very inclined to protect you should something actually happen. And more often than not, you can easily appease one of those neglected dogs by simply tossing them a treat.

They have no clue what the hell they're doing so yeah, I really am inclined to believe that it has a hell of a lot more to do with the owner than it does the "breed" itself. The folks across from us have a Pit named Pete who is the sweetest thing in the world. I always tease and say he's a little lap dog stuck in a big dog body cuz he's just that affectionate. And he's wonderful with my little Corgi mix and 4 year old niece, because his owners love him and trained him well.

/I say "breed" cuz Pit Bull isn't a specific breed; people could mean any one of a number of different breeds when referring to a Pit Bull. My parents had an American Staffordshire Terrier and he was amazing. People call them Pit Bulls even though they aren't. Isn't Pit Bull Terrier the actual breed name?



Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.
 
2014-07-21 01:31:26 PM
It's definitely the breed. I'm happy for you if you've managed to avoid being eaten by yours though.
 
2014-07-21 01:32:04 PM

JesseL: Giltric: Coyotes and wolves are trained by secret forest ninjas.

Dingos are trained by aborigines.

Its true.

You do realize how vanishingly rare it is for a person to be attacked by wolves, coyotes, or dingos; don't you?


And it's even rarer for people to be attacked WITHOUT PROVOCATION. A healthy wolf, coyote or dingo is generally not gonna bother with humans that don't fark with it.

More on topic, I've done a lot of fostering of "bad breeds" in the past, and the only pit I had trouble with was an ex-fighter who went berserk if he even glimpsed another dog. To us, he was the sweetest damn thing on the planet, but because .some scumbags trained him to violently hate other dogs, he had to be put down. And I sincerely wish those scumbags had their tiny, shriveled dicks cut off with a rusty hacksaw.

Dozens of pits have passed through my house over the years. Two of them stayed (although both have since passed on), and were among the most loving pets I've ever had. People who blame the breed are absolute dipshiats.
 
2014-07-21 01:32:31 PM

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.
 
2014-07-21 01:32:41 PM

AntonChigger: How many attacks were there overall? Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are. It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.


Assuming you're right, what difference does that make? Some dogs kill people, and if the 2013 stats above are correct, most such deaths are caused by Pit Bulls, possibly encouraged by douchebag owners.  We'd be saying essentially the same thing if a Chihuahuas were getting stuck in kids' throats, choking them to death.
 
2014-07-21 01:33:13 PM

towatchoverme: You'll see a Fark Independent TM admit Climate Change may be man-made before convincing Pit Bull apologists the breed may be a tad kill-y.


I don't see one person in this thread denying that pit bull could kill a person, and quite easily.  What the "pit bull apologists" are saying, and what you seem to deny is that a dog can be trained to be prone to aggression towards others (people or animals) or they can be trained to behave and be gentle.  Hell, if I didn't go out of my way to tell people NOT to approach my dog (who was abandoned and abused and is prone to resource guarding behavior, plus being old and cranky) I'm sure he'd have bitten someone by now.  He's a chi mix so I don't think it would be deadly, but it's the responsibility of the owner to keep the "kill-y" behavior in check, and it is possible to do so.

I also happen to live in a neighborhood with a prevalence of assholes who have a good time provoking dogs.  When a dog growls or barks at them they laugh and growl back or stomp their feet and scream "come at me bro" HAHAHAHA. Guess who will be screaming about the danger of dogs when their faces get ripped off.

Your strawmen are pretting f-ing weak if you think just because we don't want a breed exterminated that we don't think it could be dangerous.
 
2014-07-21 01:33:30 PM

JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.


Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.
 
2014-07-21 01:33:36 PM

scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions


If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.
 
2014-07-21 01:34:44 PM
My brother brought his pit to a family gathering without letting anyone know he was planning to (giving us no ability to request he leave it at home). In his mind the dog was going to be running free while the kids were around playing. In reality he was forced to hold the leash all day. Kept telling stories about how great the dog was. How they went to some concert festival and how the dog actually took a protective stance over some kids who were being ignored by their parents.

That's great bro, but every dog is a great dog up until the point that it isn't. And when pits aren't anymore they have a habit of killing far more often than other dogs. Leave her at home next time.
 
2014-07-21 01:35:05 PM

scottydoesntknow: Soooo who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)?

Seriously though, the story jumps from "Billy Frederick Sr., Logan's uncle, put the dogs in crates just before the boy arrived" to "The adults heard screaming and discovered that the boy was not in the house, Carter said" and then "Frederick immediately put the dogs in crates again"


This is exactly what confuses me. HOW did the dogs get out? Either them are some smart pit bulls who figured out how to unlock the cages or uncle did a piss-poor job locking them up. So many questions.

Look, all dogs have the potential to be aggressive and attack if the right sort of circumstances arise. We had a Lab for about 7 years before I had my first kid and despite the fact he was the gentlest dog and had never shown aggression, I never left the kid in the room with him alone. You simply cannot leave kids and dogs unattended together -  I realize they thought the dogs were locked up but still...all the adults wandered into another room and left the kid alone?
 
2014-07-21 01:35:11 PM
Why wasn't anybody watching  the boy?  Why was he left alone?  How did he get outside?  Who let the dogs out of their crates?
 
2014-07-21 01:35:13 PM

JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.


And when the pack leader is not present they will fall back onto their instinct. If we require certain breeds to have 24/7 presence of their law abiding owner, this problem goes away.
 
2014-07-21 01:35:52 PM

Jaden Smith First of His Name: Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.



Seriously.  This reminds me so much of the Second Amendment stuff.

The argument is as follows:

[guns/pit bulls] aren't inherently bad
It's irresponsible owners of [guns/pit bulls] that are the problem
So quit talking about how [guns/pit bulls] are dangerous because, even though they do kill a hell of a lot of people, it's really their irresponsible owner's fault at the end of the day.
Sorry about your dead loved one - my "right" to own unregulated [pit bulls / gun] ownership trumps public safety.
 
2014-07-21 01:36:03 PM

pat34us: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Golden Retriever? Off to Google I go.


Here's one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711
 
2014-07-21 01:36:21 PM

pat34us: Opposite, I have yet to meet a bad pit bull owner or dangerous pitt.


Come walk around my neighborhood in NE Philly and you'll meet plenty of both. Tough guys like to parade around with their Pits so they can feel tough.
 
2014-07-21 01:36:25 PM

Ambitwistor: But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.



Some of the meanest most vicious dogs I have ever met were chihuahuas and daschhunds, no joke.

However as a dog lover (not owner at moment-just lost one to cancer) I will never own a pit bull or a chow because I know better.  Heck one of my last dog's best friend was a pit and it was a great dog, But I still would never trust the thing to not tear a kid's neck open.  That's just how they are.
 
2014-07-21 01:36:47 PM

Target Builder: And you can't exclude the breed entirely - pit bulls were bred to be extremely efficient at killing mammals about the size of a small child.


Americans really have gotten fat. Our small children are the size of European black bears.
 
2014-07-21 01:36:53 PM
Darwin approves. Little idiot decided to play with the caged, cuddly balls of muscle and snarling teeth and removed himself from the gene pool. I put this on the parents.
 
2014-07-21 01:37:17 PM

Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.


I knew someone who killed her border collie puppy because of this behaviour. It didn't even nip at their child, it nipped at someone jogging by. She did not even consider giving her away, she immediately had her killed. Or in her words (which infuriated me even more), "helped her to sleep".

This woman is a sociopathic slimeball monster who later abandoned her own child.

Some people should just not own dogs.
 
2014-07-21 01:37:17 PM

Cold_Sassy: Why wasn't anybody watching  the boy?  Why was he left alone?  How did he get outside?  Who let the dogs out of their crates?


The Baha Men, duh.
 
2014-07-21 01:37:32 PM

bikkurikun: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

Then, time and time again, you have it wrong.

It's a combination. A pitbull is dangerous dog if not trained properly, much more so than other breeds. 90% of dogowners have no clue how to train a dogs. It's the combination of allowing untrained owners own killing machines.

The simplest solution is to ban the breed and let it die out, there are plenty of less dangerous dogs to enjoy.


I propose we ban everyone who thinks it is a good idea to ban something.
 
2014-07-21 01:37:38 PM

rkiller1: AntonChigger: How many attacks were there overall? Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are. It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.

Assuming you're right, what difference does that make? Some dogs kill people, and if the 2013 stats above are correct, most such deaths are caused by Pit Bulls, possibly encouraged by douchebag owners.  We'd be saying essentially the same thing if a Chihuahuas were getting stuck in kids' throats, choking them to death.


The point is that any large dogs can kill a person.  It used to be dobermans then german shepherds then rottweilers now it's pits that everyone is afraid of.  Next it'll be wolfhounds or something.
 
2014-07-21 01:38:13 PM
I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.

From excessive licking, of course.
 
2014-07-21 01:38:14 PM
Outlaw all pure-bred dogs. After 15 years of mixed breeds we'll be back at base level dog, then we can start working towards breeds again. Might get rid of all the genetic ailments for awhile too.
 
2014-07-21 01:38:19 PM

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Because they've been bred to be strong, and cowards train them to fight, or 'guard', or otherwise be over-aggressive.

Why don't we ban steak knives? I mean, they're far deadlier than butter knives, right?
 
2014-07-21 01:38:44 PM

Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.
 
2014-07-21 01:38:46 PM

AntonChigger: Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.

How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds,

but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.

___________________



Which is to say that Pit Bulls are a dangerous breed. That was your point, right?
 
2014-07-21 01:39:00 PM
I hate dog people.
 
2014-07-21 01:39:25 PM

gunther_bumpass: Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.


Facts:

*"Pit Bull" refers to a class of dogs that includes the American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, American bulldog and any other pure bred or mixed breed dog that is a combination of these dogs.
* Despite making up about 6% of all dog breeds in the us, they're responsible for the majority of fatalities.
* Of these, most are children under the age of 7 (2013 stats)
* In 2013, over one-third, 38%, of all dog bite fatality victims were either visiting or living temporarily with the dog's owner when the fatal attack occurred.

Etc etc.
 
2014-07-21 01:39:27 PM

kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.


That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were to attack somebody that wasn't breaking into my house, I will still say it's the owner's (my) fault it happened.
 
2014-07-21 01:39:47 PM
They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc
 
2014-07-21 01:39:56 PM
I was walking through the park yesterday with my wife and daughter and my wife's "Chick" dogs, and encountered a lady with her pit bull.  The dog was trained to lay down when other dogs passing.  We have encountered it before with the husband, who seems to be able to control it.  Yesterday the wife was walking it.  It laid down, no problem, we started to walk past, it jumped up, and basically dragged the owner over to my dogs, that my daughter was holding.  Thank god it just growled a bit and she finally got some control of it.  I can tell you the next time I see it, I will be turning my family around and going the other way.  Better safe than sorry.
 
2014-07-21 01:40:02 PM

Dragonflew: If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


Sure, they bite, but there's a difference between "bite" and "maul".
 
2014-07-21 01:40:10 PM

LordJiro: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Because they've been bred to be strong, and cowards train them to fight, or 'guard', or otherwise be over-aggressive.

Why don't we ban steak knives? I mean, they're far deadlier than butter knives, right?


I am in favor of a ban of all sentient steak knives.

/stupid analogy is stupid
 
2014-07-21 01:40:43 PM

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]


A sheepdog made the list? Really?
 
2014-07-21 01:41:09 PM

HotWingConspiracy: JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.


The oft quoted CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

"
Procedure
We collected data from
The Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS)
and media accounts related to
dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from pre-
vious studies.
1-3
The HSUS maintains a registry of human
DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,
city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs
involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To
supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database
6
was
searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in
1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning
the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words
and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF

followed by a review of articles containing those terms.
Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were
merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and
avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from
1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and
was added to the existing data for 1996.
 "
 
2014-07-21 01:41:16 PM

JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.


Then it should be trivial for you to counter with a study that uses valid statistical methods and comes to a different conclusion.

I'll wait.
 
2014-07-21 01:41:23 PM
Pet owners should be held legally responsible for the damage their animal does.
 
2014-07-21 01:41:48 PM

LarryDan43: JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.

And when the pack leader is not present they will fall back onto their instinct. If we require certain breeds to have 24/7 presence of their law abiding owner, this problem goes away.



It may, but good luck enforcing it.

I prefer a breed that falls back on digging through the trash, sleeping on the couch,  or drinking out of the toilet.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:02 PM

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]


I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:34 PM
 Sounds like the little kid let them out to play.  And the dogs idea of play and the kids were not the same.  Children can be so stupid, which is why they should be supervised around animals.       I have a relative whose child tried to open a gate to get into a pasture full of cows with calves.  I had to tell kid  three times to stop and then finally I yelled at her  in frustration.   Her mom got mad at me for yelling at her and hurting her little fewlings.    Well excuse me for saving your stupid dumbass five year old who never listens to anyone including you, from getting trampled to death by angry momma cows.  Next time I'll let her go pet them like she wanted and we'll see how that goes.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:34 PM

kindms: They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc


^This.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:37 PM
I smell some bullshiat in this story. Someone's trying to CTA.

And farking crates? Really?
 
2014-07-21 01:43:41 PM

2KanZam: Ambitwistor: But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.


Some of the meanest most vicious dogs I have ever met were chihuahuas and daschhunds, no joke.

However as a dog lover (not owner at moment-just lost one to cancer) I will never own a pit bull or a chow because I know better.  Heck one of my last dog's best friend was a pit and it was a great dog, But I still would never trust the thing to not tear a kid's neck open.  That's just how they are.


sorry about your pet.
 
2014-07-21 01:44:16 PM

gunther_bumpass: seapig: How sad...poor little boy :'(

It's because of the perceived aggressiveness of the "breed" that so many bad/stupid owners seek out Pits in particular. I live in a somewhat "ghetto" area and the only dogs that exist around here are Pits and Pit mixes. A lot of people get it in theit head that they're gonna make money breeding their blue nose Pit without even knowing that most births require a c section to save the biatch.

The folks next door NEVER bring their dog inside; she sits outside barking all day and night, never getting the attention or affection she deserves. And (like many others) they say the reason they do it is because they don't want her to be nice, they just want a guard dog. Well...if the dog doesn't care about you, it's not gonna feel very inclined to protect you should something actually happen. And more often than not, you can easily appease one of those neglected dogs by simply tossing them a treat.

They have no clue what the hell they're doing so yeah, I really am inclined to believe that it has a hell of a lot more to do with the owner than it does the "breed" itself. The folks across from us have a Pit named Pete who is the sweetest thing in the world. I always tease and say he's a little lap dog stuck in a big dog body cuz he's just that affectionate. And he's wonderful with my little Corgi mix and 4 year old niece, because his owners love him and trained him well.

/I say "breed" cuz Pit Bull isn't a specific breed; people could mean any one of a number of different breeds when referring to a Pit Bull. My parents had an American Staffordshire Terrier and he was amazing. People call them Pit Bulls even though they aren't. Isn't Pit Bull Terrier the actual breed name?


Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.


Haha. I'm not pretending that certain breeds aren't inclined toward certain behaviors because they definitely are. Chows are aggressive and bite-y too. But if they are raised and trained property it's very easy to overcome. My little Corgi was nuts for ankle biting cuz his breed is known for herding. Now that he's an adult and we've taken the time to train him, he doesn't do it. The responsible pit owners I've known have had wonderful and sweet dogs who wouldn't attack unless they felt incredibly threatened, just like any other animal.

But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.
 
2014-07-21 01:44:24 PM

Ambitwistor: But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.


Doxies can be treacherous little farkers
 
2014-07-21 01:44:35 PM

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.

The oft quoted CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

"
Procedure
We collected data from
The Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS)
and media accounts related to
dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from pre-
vious studies.
1-3
The HSUS maintains a registry of human
DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,
city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs
involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To
supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database
6
was
searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in
1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning
the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words
and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF
followed by a review of articles containing those terms.
Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were
merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and
avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from
1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and
was added to the existing data for 1996.
 "


This study represents "all statistics" as you stated? And why are you glossing over that they list the Humane Society as a source as well? That kind of ruins your argument.
 
2014-07-21 01:44:52 PM

Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


Absolutely. And if domestic cats were the size of tigers they would be problematic pets too. But they're not, so instead of dead kids you just get a few scratches.
 
2014-07-21 01:45:48 PM

walkerhound: I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.

From excessive licking, of course.


eh. I hate to admit it but I was walking my pug a few weeks back and was approached by a grand father and his tiny grand son. He asked if it was ok to pet my pug. I said sure. I had him on short leash but the pug jumped up being affectionate and scratched the little boy. I FREAKED. I couldn't say sorry more. He was like no big deal but I couldn't help thinking that it could have been worse and he has never done anything like that before

So I don't think Ill be giving the ok to little kids any more. The liability isn't something I want to deal with. I guess as a pug owner I was lulled in to he is just a big stuffed animal thing but I learned my lesson.
 
2014-07-21 01:45:55 PM
When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.
 
rka
2014-07-21 01:46:00 PM

kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.


They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.
 
2014-07-21 01:46:17 PM
The argument from Pit Bull apologists is "scumbags and bad people own them because they're 'tough' dogs and that's why they're trained poorly and kill people."  Whereas the "nice" pits are raised by good owners with white picket fences in suburbs where people have oatmeal or yogurt for breakfast and everyone is named "Charles" or "Chad."

Haven't seen any socioeconomic data that backs that up. Seems like anecdotal evidence to me, and the doggie equivalent of "only bad guys can't be trusted with guns."
 
2014-07-21 01:46:22 PM
It's crazy that a breed that was specifically bred for being awesome at fighting to the death is dangerous.
 
GBB
2014-07-21 01:46:30 PM
Owning a pitbull is like playing baseball with a hand grenade.  Sure, it might not go off every time you play with it, but it will go off eventually.   And, until it does, it's the safest thing ever.
 
2014-07-21 01:46:58 PM

jst3p: JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.

Then it should be trivial for you to counter with a study that uses valid statistical methods and comes to a different conclusion.

I'll wait.


It would be interesting to see one based solely on attacks by dogs that are AKC registered so there can be no doubt about the breed identification. 

Unfortunately, there is no such study.

You're not going to claim that the lack of a valid study adds legitimacy to invalid studies though, are you?
 
2014-07-21 01:47:23 PM

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.

The oft quoted CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

"
Procedure
We collected data from
The Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS)
and media accounts related to
dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from pre-
vious studies.
1-3
The HSUS maintains a registry of human
DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,
city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs
involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To
supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database
6
was
searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in
1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning
the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words
and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF
followed by a review of articles containing those terms.
Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were
merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and
avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from
1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and
was added to the existing data for 1996.
 "


Myth #4: Fatal attack statistics about pit bulls are false

Pro-pit bull groups argue that the 20-year fatal dog attack study (from 1979 to 1998) issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in September 2000 is inaccurate because the study relied "in part" on newspaper articles. Pit bull advocates say that pit bull fatalities are more extensively reported by the media, therefore the authors of the study (most holding PhD credentials) must have "miscounted" or "double counted" the number of pit bull fatalities.10
As stated in the CDC report, the authors collected data from media accounts as well as the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) registry of fatal attacks. Also, all five authors, Jeffrey Sacks, Leslie Sinclair, Julie Gilchrist, Gail Golab and Randall Lockwood, openly oppose breed-specific laws. This bias is clearly reflected in the CDC report as well.11 If discrepancies were made in the report, it seems more likely that fatal pit bull attacks were underreported not over reported.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
 
2014-07-21 01:47:30 PM

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Feel free to kill yourself and start solving the problem.
 
2014-07-21 01:47:37 PM

blindio: When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.


Tells us more Jimmy The Greek

;)
 
2014-07-21 01:48:21 PM

Target Builder: Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.

Absolutely. And if domestic cats were the size of tigers they would be problematic pets too. But they're not, so instead of dead kids you just get a few scratches.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1379196/Sleeping-cat-suffocat es -baby.html

BAN THEM!

/I have 4 cats.
 
2014-07-21 01:48:47 PM

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736:

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.


i55.tinypic.com
 
2014-07-21 01:49:03 PM

I_AM_SRC: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

Agreed. It's the dog's owner and the kid's mom fault for leaving this child unattended with these kid rippers. Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.


This.  I know a lot of really great pit bulls, but clearly the uncle knew that his dogs needed to be crated around visitors, and it looks like no one thought to warn the 4 year old not to let them out, or at least watch to make sure he didn't.

With granma's teacup dog, it'd be some scars to the face (and granma insisting he's never done something like that before, except that one time...and the time before that....), but they're not teacup dogs so the consequences are more dire.
 
2014-07-21 01:49:08 PM

Dragonflew: Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

I knew someone who killed her border collie puppy because of this behaviour. It didn't even nip at their child, it nipped at someone jogging by. She did not even consider giving her away, she immediately had her killed. Or in her words (which infuriated me even more), "helped her to sleep".

This woman is a sociopathic slimeball monster who later abandoned her own child.

Some people should just not own dogs.


Border collies are infuriatingly smart.  You really have to know what you are doing to train them.  They can learn to do different things from the same command based upon inflection.

Slippers! - dog gets slippers
Slippers? - dog lies down

If I trained the dog to heel with the command heel, but accidentally had my left hand on my hip each time I did it, the dog might not know what I was talking about if I said 'heel' without my hand on hip.  Or, It might decide that hand on hip means heel too.

They are often trained to react to whistle commands to herd sheep from a distance.  I cannot whistle the same tone twice if I had to.

The woman you knew should never have been allowed to have children.
 
2014-07-21 01:50:45 PM

pinchpoint: pat34us: Opposite, I have yet to meet a bad pit bull owner or dangerous pitt.

Come walk around my neighborhood in NE Philly and you'll meet plenty of both. Tough guys like to parade around with their Pits so they can feel tough.


Ugh. So much this! They have no idea what they're doing and it's those assholes that wind up raising these aggressive dogs cuz that's exactly what they want people to think; about them and about their dog. I always feel bad when I see one of those morons walking around with their little puppies knowing that they'll be taking them home to be locked in a crate most hours of the day or left on the back "porch" which is really just a 5x7' concrete slab. Big dogs need room; they don't deserve that.

/It's not much different here on the other side of the state...
//Right by Larimer in Pittsburgh :(
 
2014-07-21 01:50:48 PM
Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.
 
2014-07-21 01:51:35 PM
Pit bull lovers immediately call for precious snowflakes to be put in crates in order to avoid terrorizing pit bulls that were not trained at all.
 
2014-07-21 01:51:50 PM
dualplains: I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.

You mean the organization that has been re-naming the breed since 1936? That organization?

There are legal definitions. See above.
 
2014-07-21 01:51:54 PM

HotWingConspiracy: This study represents "all statistics" as you stated? And why are you glossing over that they list the Humane Society as a source as well? That kind of ruins your argument.


I gloss over the HSUS because they're complete whack jobs with zero credibility on anything except raising money for themselves.
 
2014-07-21 01:52:04 PM

GBB: Owning a pitbull is like playing baseball with a hand grenade.  Sure, it might not go off every time you play with it, but it will go off eventually.   And, until it does, it's the safest thing ever.


http://www.theledger.com/article/20100219/NEWS/100219709

Filling up a Grenade with black powder and having it go off? yep it has happened.
 
2014-07-21 01:52:57 PM

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Csb

When I was a kid, my step dad (who was a real piece of work) bought us a huge pit bull as a pet. It was all white except for a brown spot over its eye, so we called it Pete after the little rascals dog.

Anyway, it was a complete land shark. We used to have stray cats that walked the back fence, but Pete would charge the fence, jump and slam into it hard enough to knock the cat off, and into our yard. You could always tell when Pete had eaten a cat, because she would poop fur for the next few days.
/end csb
 
2014-07-21 01:53:07 PM

seapig: But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.


As someone else pointed out earlier, in the 70's the tough guy breed was the doberman (damn you Higgins), then the rottweiler, etc. You never hear of doberman attacks now (until some aspie googles it and returns here triumphant in their pedantry, of course), you don't have people flipping out about half-breed dobermans.. People are just crazy. Dogs are a lot of work - many people that have them shouldn't have them. But what are you going to do? Some dips hit irresponsible thug is going to go out and get himself the dips hit irresponsible thug dog du jour. If Pitt Bulls (and the panoply of mutts so classified) are outlawed, they'll turn to another type of dog and make that the fashionable irresponsible dipshiat thug dog.

Meanwhile everyone remembers the one time a vicious pitt looked at them funny and joins the pee-pants banning brigade.

CSB: I met a couple of Michael Vick's former dogs at a rescue event a few years ago, and still have my face and most of my fingers.
 
2014-07-21 01:53:49 PM

KellyKellyKelly: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

A sheepdog made the list? Really?


Many breeds of sheepdog were bred to protect the flock from predators.
 
2014-07-21 01:54:27 PM
Last night a regular at the liquor store I part time at shows up. The owner and I were outside smoking and we talk for a minute, then he steps in. As soon as he steps in I see the owner DIVE at his Lhasa Apso that was outside with us and completely cover the dog. For a split second I thought he was falling over and was about to reach out and grab him, but he leaped forward at the last second, effectively covering his Lhasa completely in a turtle shell of his own body. That's when I saw the Pit Bull.

The pit had jumped out of the customers car and charged at the Lhasa, the owner, seeing it at the last second, reacted by trying to save his own dog... from a vicious sniffing and licking. The Pit Bull was trained rather well, but still a puppy, and only jumped out to come say howdy. He even licked the owners face while he was covering his own dog.

The customer immediately ran back outside and apologized, told the dog to get back in the car and it did. I asked if I could pet him and he said: "Sure, he's a total sweetheart." And he was right. That Pit was friendly, happy and well adjusted. We all know he wouldn't have hurt the Lhasa after the fact, and I even told the customer: "It's the preconception and onus Pit Bulls have. No offense, your dog is very, very nice, but they just come with the reputation of attacking other dogs." He understood and was cool about it, the owner was super cool about it, too. His gut reaction was his dog was about to get taken down in one chomp and he reacted.

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.
 
2014-07-21 01:54:30 PM

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Is it ok if we start with you?
 
2014-07-21 01:54:40 PM
I once tried to bring a Strattfordshire Terrier (Pit Bull) into my home and assimilate it into the group of dogs I had at home. Although the new dog had no history or experience with fighting other dogs, shortly after bringing it into the group, it began to place its head over the necks of the other dogs. This was a sure sign that the new dog was preparing to assert its dominance.

Sadly, I had to take that beauty back to the shelter, because I wasn't prepared to "fight it out" with her.
 
2014-07-21 01:54:48 PM

theknuckler_33: Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.


The same thought came in to my head as soon as I read the article. What other reason are you leaving the young impressionable one alone in a room. And maybe they concocted the story of them being crated AFTER the kid was found mauled.
 
2014-07-21 01:54:50 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.

I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.


You know, you raise an interesting point that raises this question: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs? At four years of age, I knew better than to go roaring up to to a strange dog and would not have gone near one in a cage. Rather, I was taught to be confident but calm and allow the dog to approach you. Observe the dog's posture and behavior. Is his tail wagging, between his legs or pointing down. Are his ears up, thrown forward or laid back. Is he showing teeth or lolling his tongue, etc. If the dog is nervous or aggressive, it is best to go your separate ways, If he is relaxed, then extend a hand, palm down and allow the dog to sniff you. If this goes well, a few gentle rubs and pats are in order, but not aggressive head rubbing to start.

All kids love dogs, but not all dogs love kids, so kids have to be taught to be careful.
 
2014-07-21 01:55:26 PM

JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.


Maybe you're thinking of Rottweilers? The American Pit Bull Terrier is from the 18th century.
 
2014-07-21 01:55:35 PM
At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:08 PM

dualplains: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.


https://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/history.cf m

They recognize the breed, they just use a more formal official name.

These dogs began to find their way into America as early as 1870, where they became known as Pit Dog, Pit Bull Terrier, later American Bull Terrier, and still later as Yankee Terrier.
In 1936, they were accepted for registration in the AKC Stud Book as Staffordshire Terriers.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:33 PM

towatchoverme: At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.


In this thread: Pit bull apologists having Karl Rove moments doing apologist math that makes them feel better.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:34 PM

Big Beef Burrito: I hate dog people.


Nice try, now GTFO of the thread.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:45 PM

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: This study represents "all statistics" as you stated? And why are you glossing over that they list the Humane Society as a source as well? That kind of ruins your argument.

I gloss over the HSUS because they're complete whack jobs with zero credibility on anything except raising money for themselves.


Ah. So you're abandoning the "all the statistics are from media reports" line and pivoting to vaguely attacking the source that you didn't want to mention to push the idea that the numbers cannot be trusted since they came from media reports.

Can you pick apart their numbers for us? Show us where they are wrong.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:46 PM

JackieRabbit: All kids love dogs, but not all dogs love kids, so kids have to be taught to be careful.


Yes.

Also, they need to be taught not to wear sexy clothing to the bar and go out at night alone.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:53 PM
As someone currently getting cuddled to death by a vicious man eating pit bill, I'm getting a kick out of this thread
 
2014-07-21 01:58:09 PM

Chummer45: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.


Seriously.  This reminds me so much of the Second Amendment stuff.

The argument is as follows:

[guns/pit bulls] aren't inherently bad
It's irresponsible owners of [guns/pit bulls] that are the problem
So quit talking about how [guns/pit bulls] are dangerous because, even though they do kill a hell of a lot of people, it's really their irresponsible owner's fault at the end of the day.
Sorry about your dead loved one - my "right" to own unregulated [pit bulls / gun] ownership trumps public safety.


The difference of being that a 90lb dog can break out of a back yard and roam the streets of it's accord. A gun can't.

But you keep farking that chicken.
 
2014-07-21 01:58:34 PM

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were to attack somebody that wasn't breaking into my house, I will still say it's the owner's (my) fault it happened.


I've seen three pits "hulk out" I don't believe any of them were being trained or beaten to be made aggressive. They are unbelievably strong even for an animal, and they can and will kill anything they can when they go off the rails. I hoped your puppy is monitored and kept secure, for everyone's else's safety. I know how strong they can be from firsthand experience as a child I made it over a fence, barely. And what did I do to provoke the dog? I road by the house on the street, it drug me into it's yard. I know pit bull owners believe a lot of BS about how it's all bad owners but don't fool yourself. Pits can go off for reasons people don't understand and when they do they are killers.
 
2014-07-21 01:58:57 PM

chewd: towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next

oooh ooh... i nominate chows!


Akitas.
 
2014-07-21 01:59:02 PM

JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.


If that is all you have to add then how about you find out for yourself instead of being a lazy armchair.
 
2014-07-21 01:59:36 PM
Go to the animal shelter sites for mid sized dangerous cities (Flint, New Haven, Rockford). So many pit/mixes.
 
2014-07-21 02:00:34 PM

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


But... what if a dingo ate my babby?
 
2014-07-21 02:00:51 PM

JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?


Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.
 
2014-07-21 02:01:15 PM

towatchoverme: At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.


But Pit Bulls don't even exist!  How can they then tear out someone's throat?
 
2014-07-21 02:01:23 PM

Empty H: JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.

If that is all you have to add then how about you find out for yourself instead of being a lazy armchair.


Why would I?
 
2014-07-21 02:01:51 PM

Big Beef Burrito: I hate dog people.


10,000 years of mutually beneficial co-evolution.

Some say it could be as much as 100,000.

Dogs are a large part of why humans are the way we are.
 
2014-07-21 02:02:28 PM

dualplains: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.


In fairness, when I copied it from google image search I thought that was the chart from the CDC report which can be found in here:

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

That chart actually comes from this page:

http://alldogsbite.org/2013/07/all-breeds-attack/

Which is clearly biased and doesn't seem to source the chart. I can't find it anywhere else.
 
2014-07-21 02:02:56 PM
Great job liberal media. These are clearly Glocks and not Pit Bulls. Try harder next time you attempt to sully the good and noble name of the American Terrier.
 
2014-07-21 02:04:17 PM

JesseL: Empty H: JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.

If that is all you have to add then how about you find out for yourself instead of being a lazy armchair.

Why would I?


Intellectual curiosity? Calorie burning? Finger workout? To keep from picking your nose compulsively?

I mean the reasons really ARE endless.
 
2014-07-21 02:04:50 PM

kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were ...


You don't have to beat a dog to make it aggressive.  Keeping it chained is good enough to do that. 

My parents were big on chaining dogs.  I've seen Labs go apeshiat after a few years of nothing but an 8 foot radius to explore.

In your childhood story, you don't explain what hte dog's conditions were.  WAS it being beaten? Was it chained, and had nothing to obsess over than people riding by all the time, and because of a complete lack of exercise it went mad and attacked its fixation?

I'm going to guess you don't know, and you don't care.  And a lot of this not caring is leading to a breed being labeled because of bad owners.  I've been chased by dogs, I've been bitten by dogs, I"ve been jumped on and trampled, and in each instance, I can tell you something I did wrong, something the owners did wrong, and nothing that the dog did wrong.  Your CSB doesn't override that.

People need to take some god damned responsibility for themselves and the pets they manage, instead of letting the breed get badmouthed.
 
2014-07-21 02:04:56 PM
Good job Subby!  Now *that's* how you troll!

s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-07-21 02:05:21 PM

JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.


I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak, but if this were true then it would be true of all dogs bred for a specific purpose, and if you have ever owned a variety of dog breeds, you would have noticed that this is not true, and instinct is often overrated when it comes to popular breeds because other traits have been more preferred by the people who bred and refined the the breed.

Bench-style Irish setters couldn't flush a bird if you waved three pheasants in front of their nose, nor can most American cocker spaniels, because breeders wanted them to look pretty, with feathery coats and great toplines and didn't care if they could flush or not. Bulldogs, do not go bonkers when faced with a bull because they were bred for appearance, and there wouldn't ever be a friendly Doberman, Rottweilers or Mastiffs, but there are... because people wanted them as companions and helpers and bred selectively for that.

Selective breeding can breed an instinct out, and an instinct in. Socialization can impart how free a dog feels free to indulge those instincts. You start with two people breeding their biggest and baddest bluenoses, and those pups being raised by a clueless owner, you end up with one dog. You breed two mellow dogs with correct temperaments together, and have those pups raised by someone who can train and socialize, you end up with another.
 
2014-07-21 02:05:25 PM

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Most dog attacks are on kids.
 
2014-07-21 02:06:28 PM
What type of dog is Astro or Scoobie Doo?

They seem chill.
 
2014-07-21 02:06:49 PM

dk47: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Most dog attacks are on kids.


Kids are notoriously bad at understanding when a dog, cat, or even a person is saying "No" or "stop."

The kid is provoking without realizing it.  Adults should be around to ensure the kid learns how to read the dog's language.
 
2014-07-21 02:07:40 PM
jst3p:

http://alldogsbite.org/2013/07/all-breeds-attack/

Which is clearly biased and doesn't seem to source the chart. I can't find it anywhere else.


Oddly enough, the site appears to be arguing against breed specific dog bans.... I am confused.
 
2014-07-21 02:08:16 PM

dryknife: What type of dog is Astro or Scoobie Doo?

They seem chill.


Cartoon.

They are tough to breed though.
 
2014-07-21 02:08:58 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.

Maybe you're thinking of Rottweilers? The American Pit Bull Terrier is from the 18th century.


They trace back to the Molossian breed.
 
2014-07-21 02:10:59 PM
Hey! Look! A data point that backs up my case! Therefore, all your arguments to the contrary are invalid and Petey is president.
 
2014-07-21 02:11:14 PM

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


How about one incident a month in my town, but most of them don't make the news, because they just involve people getting stapples.
 
2014-07-21 02:12:05 PM
this is why they need to make it mandatory to keep umbilical cords attached until at least the age of 7 or until a competency hearing has been conducted and passed.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:12 PM

dk47: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Most dog attacks are on kids.


Agreed.  Kids most often don't understand body language well enough to see if they are posing a threat nor able to see if the animal they are interested in appears threatened.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:15 PM

farkin_Gary: I once tried to bring a Strattfordshire Terrier (Pit Bull) into my home and assimilate it into the group of dogs I had at home. Although the new dog had no history or experience with fighting other dogs, shortly after bringing it into the group, it began to place its head over the necks of the other dogs. This was a sure sign that the new dog was preparing to assert its dominance.

Sadly, I had to take that beauty back to the shelter, because I wasn't prepared to "fight it out" with her.


So, you have more than one dog but you don't understand how to correct them when they try to assert dominance over each other?  In other words, you are a terrible dog owner.

I May Be Crazy But...: JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.

Maybe you're thinking of Rottweilers? The American Pit Bull Terrier is from the 18th century.


Mastiffs.  The Romans used a breed called the Molossus which is extinct but led to Great Pyrenees, Great Danes, Rottweiler, St. Bernard, Cane Corso, etc.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:19 PM

towatchoverme: At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.


I agree. We need more useless chart and graphical stuff.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:45 PM
It seems like dogs bred for fighting could be more dangerous than dogs bred for hunting or companionship.
 
2014-07-21 02:15:14 PM

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Can't it be both?

People teach their kids to look both ways crossing the street so they don't get hit by cars and we teach drivers to watch for people, especially children, that might dart out into the street so they don't hit a kid.

In fact it should be both.  Teach your kids to ask permission before petting a dog and to not approach unfamiliar dogs, especially if there is not an owner around.

One of my cousins was tore up a bit when she was younger by her mutt beagle/lab/poodle mix, but in the dog's defense, she had been hitting it with stick while it was on a chain in their yard, despite the girl having being told before to not do that multiple times in the past.  The dog still got put down.

Some people just shouldn't own dogs.
 
2014-07-21 02:15:20 PM

LarryDan43: Go to the animal shelter sites for mid sized dangerous cities (Flint, New Haven, Rockford). So many pit/mixes.


Or go on Craigslist to see all of those "Lab Mixes"
 
2014-07-21 02:15:41 PM

rbuzby: It seems like dogs bred for fighting could be more dangerous than dogs bred for hunting or companionship.


Man, I am learning so much about my pit bull today! Thanks Fark!
 
2014-07-21 02:16:49 PM

kindms: theknuckler_33: Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.

The same thought came in to my head as soon as I read the article. What other reason are you leaving the young impressionable one alone in a room. And maybe they concocted the story of them being crated AFTER the kid was found mauled.


Maybe they just wanted to do away with the little brat, and they knew leaving him locked in a hot car would look suspicious.

Stick him in with Uncle Jed's crazy dogs, and let him cover himself in ice cream to sweeten the deal. The dogs take all the heat, an the humans get off scot-free. The only way this would have looked more suspicious is if they'd given the kid some raw meat to play with instead of ice cream.
 
2014-07-21 02:17:02 PM
I too would like to give props for the awesome trolly headline.
 
2014-07-21 02:17:48 PM

Rapmaster2000: Pit bull enthusiasts are like those women that date prisoners.


^^^^^
 
2014-07-21 02:18:11 PM

dryknife: What type of dog is Astro or Scoobie Doo?

They seem chill.


Scooby Doo is a Great Dane.  They are bred to be pussies.  Seriously, those dogs jump at their own shadow.  Which is a good thing when they're that large.

I keep hearing that it's the owner's fault when a dog attacks someone, but I can't keep my Golden Retriever from jumping on people.  He's not trying to hurt them, he just wants attention.  But there is no way to train that dog not to jump up.  I'm just glad he's never met a four-year-old.
 
2014-07-21 02:19:27 PM
As a dog owner or 3 small terriers, I always remind myself that they, and every other dog are descended from wolves. The "wild" behavior is deep seated in the DNA. When mine are outside barking, at least two of them will engage in howling. It's stupid and hilarious sometimes, but a sober reminder.

Owners are foolish if they believe that their "precious" will never attack, bite, rip, menace another animal or human. The potential, and act, can come out of the blue when you least expect it.
 
2014-07-21 02:20:11 PM
racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.
 
2014-07-21 02:20:20 PM

towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.

Facts:

*"Pit Bull" refers to a class of dogs that includes the American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, American bulldog and any other pure bred or mixed breed dog that is a combination of these dogs.
* Despite making up about 6% of all dog breeds in the us, they're responsible for the majority of fatalities.
* Of these, most are children under the age of 7 (2013 stats)
* In 2013, over one-third, 38%, of all dog bite fatality victims were either visiting or living temporarily with the dog's owner when the fatal attack occurred.

Etc etc.


That's completely uncalled for, towatchoverme. You know those studies are flawed. They don't take in account houses that have... uh... more than two television sets... and...other things of that nature.
 
2014-07-21 02:20:25 PM

gunther_bumpass: seapig: But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.

As someone else pointed out earlier, in the 70's the tough guy breed was the doberman (damn you Higgins), then the rottweiler, etc. You never hear of doberman attacks now (until some aspie googles it and returns here triumphant in their pedantry, of course), you don't have people flipping out about half-breed dobermans.. People are just crazy. Dogs are a lot of work - many people that have them shouldn't have them. But what are you going to do? Some dips hit irresponsible thug is going to go out and get himself the dips hit irresponsible thug dog du jour. If Pitt Bulls (and the panoply of mutts so classified) are outlawed, they'll turn to another type of dog and make that the fashionable irresponsible dipshiat thug dog.

Meanwhile everyone remembers the one time a vicious pitt looked at them funny and joins the pee-pants banning brigade.

CSB: I met a couple of Michael Vick's former dogs at a rescue event a few years ago, and still have my face and most of my fingers.


I did not know that about the Dobermans...makes sense though. Rottweilers are still a favorite "tough guy" breed though Pits are absolutely more popular and prominent now. Our Am Staff was the sweetest dog we ever had; he slept in my bed with me when I was about 10 and let me drape my leg over him and was an amazing cuddler. When I got my little kitten, Axle (the dog) was overwhelmed with affection for this tiny being and would literally let him sleep on his head when we went to bed. And on more than one occasion, I'd come out to our FL porch and find Axle and the cat laying side by side, panting together. I've never seen a cat do that before...or since. But it was amazing to see this friendship that had formed between this big "aggressive" dog and the tiny little kitten that he loved like it was his own. Axle did have some issues with the Pits that ran free in the neighborhood though. We had a redneck neighbor (had a confederate flag painted on his F150 so you knew he was serious) and he felt that it was ok to just let his two Pits run around despite there being tons of little kids in the neighborhood. One of them jumped our 4 foot fence into our yard and Axle bit the dog's lip off. The owner and my dad had to pull them apart; it was a mess. The jerk tried to start shiat with my parents about it, demanding money, but the other neighbors who had witnessed what happened started yelling that if he tried anything they'd be witnesses on my parents' behalf and were already planning on calling Animal Control when they saw his dogs off leash again.

/And I cried when I saw Michael Vick's dogs...the bodies and injuries. That was atrocious. And I knew a lot of guys around the neighborhood who just didn't understand why there was outrage over what he did. They considered the dogs property and didn't get why anyone would be upset that he was doing what he was doing. Ugh. So stupid...that said, sometimes it can be almost impossible to rehabilitate a dog like that, who's been raised in such a harmful and neglectful situation. Some of them will never be able to regain their trust of human beings and are totally unfitas pets :/
 
2014-07-21 02:21:13 PM

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were ...

You don't have to beat a dog to make it aggressive.  Keeping it chained is good enough to do that. 

My parents were big on chaining dogs.  I've seen Labs go apeshiat after a few years of nothing but an 8 foot radius to explore.

In your childhood story, you don't explain what hte dog's conditions were.  WAS it being beaten? Was it chained, and had nothing to obsess over than people riding by all the time, and because of a complete lack of exercise it went mad and attacked its fixation?

I'm going to guess you don't know, and you don't care.  And a lot of this not caring is leading to a breed being labeled because of bad owners.  I've been chased by dogs, I've been bitten by dogs, I"ve been jumped on and trampled, and in each instance, I can tell you something I did wrong, something the owners did wrong, and nothing that the dog did wrong.  Your CSB doesn't override that.

People need to take some god damned responsibility for themselves and the pets they manage, instead of letting the breed get badmouthed.


Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.
 
2014-07-21 02:21:15 PM

Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.


You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...
 
2014-07-21 02:21:28 PM

JackieRabbit: teenytinycornteeth: Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.

I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.

You know, you raise an interesting point that raises this question: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs? At four years of age, I knew better than to go roaring up to to a strange dog and would not have gone near one in a cage. Rather, I was taught to be confident but calm and allow the dog to approach you. Observe the dog's posture and behavior. Is his tail wagging, between his legs or pointing down. Are his ears up, thrown forward or laid back. Is he showing teeth or lolling his tongue, etc. If the dog is nervous or aggressive, it is best to go your separate ways, If he is relaxed, then extend a hand, palm down and allow the dog to sniff you. If this goes well, a few gentle rubs and pats are in order, but not aggressive head rubbing to start.

All kids love dogs, but not all dogs love kids, so kids have to be taught to be careful.


Thank you for pointing this out.  People are ignorant for not teaching their children how to behave around strange dogs.  Parents these days [for the mos part] are stupid.
 
2014-07-21 02:22:08 PM

kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were ...

You don't have to beat a dog to make it aggressive.  Keeping it chained is good enough to do that. 

My parents were big on chaining dogs.  I've seen Labs go apeshiat after a few years of nothing but an 8 foot radius to explore.

In your childhood story, you don't explain what hte dog's conditions were.  WAS it being beaten? Was it chained, and had nothing to obsess over than people riding by all the time, and because of a complete lack of exercise it went mad and attacked its fixation?

I'm going to guess you don't know, and you don't care.  And a lot of this not caring is leading to a breed being labeled because of bad owners.  I've been chased by dogs, I've been bitten by dogs, I"ve been jumped on and trampled, and in each instance, I can tell you something I did wrong, something the owners did wrong, and nothing that the dog did wrong.  Your CSB doesn't override that.

People need to take some god damned responsibility for themselves and the pets they manage, instead of letting the breed get badmouthed.

Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.


lol
 
2014-07-21 02:23:15 PM

Cold_Sassy: Parents these days [for the mos part] are stupid.


Same as it ever was.

/parent
//mostly not stupid although I do make my share of parenting mistakes
 
2014-07-21 02:24:27 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...


Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.
 
2014-07-21 02:25:11 PM

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Its like folks just dont get it. Almost noone will argue that when dalmations get older, since they are predisposed genetically for the condition, they will go deaf and likely start getting mean because of it. Pits are predisposed to encephalitus genetically, which as they age could very reasonably set off aggressive behavior, not to mention the breed was made for fighting. Nobody will argue that a hound wasn't bred for tracking and hunting, a shephard wasn't bred for herding, or that sled dogs weren't bred for pulling sleds. Why argue that pits weren't bred to fight? Its in their goddamn name! This doesn't make them evil, just make sure when you own and are around these dogs, hell, ANY dog, you fully understand what their purpose in life is and the consequences of that purpose. Keep an eye out for the medical issues prevalent in your breed; hell, get a mutt.

This isn't good or evil, its about using common sense when it comes to your approach to major components of your life, and ultimately others. Is a daschund best suited to pull sleds, or hunt badgers? Is a border collie best suited for waterfowl hunting, or sheep herding? Is a pit bull best suited for watching over children, or guarding a house or vault? This isn't some form of twisted racism, folks. Artificial selection is a goddamned science.
 
2014-07-21 02:26:03 PM

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Your kids are your responsibility.  Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?
 
2014-07-21 02:26:07 PM

AntonChigger: Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.

How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.


How many firecracker injuries were there overall? I mean, a large portion of the fatalities are because of how strong grenades are. It could be that they explode less often than Black Cats but do to how strong grenades are when they explode results in far more serious injury. It's not the grenade, it's the owner.......
 
2014-07-21 02:26:19 PM

kapaso: Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.


Not true, Rottweilers were also bred for their ability to kill and you don't see them overly represented in statistics for fatal dog bites. Well... I mean... they are... but that's besides the point.
 
2014-07-21 02:26:22 PM
OK guys, now is your chance.  It seems the admins are in the mood for cliche troll bait headlines.  You have a high probability of getting a green if you submit any of the following topics.

Redlight/speed cameras
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Affordable Care Act
Baby boomers ruining something
 
2014-07-21 02:26:35 PM

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Not trying to threadjack, but the resemblance of these arguments to those of gun rights activists is uncanny.
 
2014-07-21 02:28:08 PM

gunther_bumpass: seapig: But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.

As someone else pointed out earlier, in the 70's the tough guy breed was the doberman (damn you Higgins), then the rottweiler, etc. You never hear of doberman attacks now (until some aspie googles it and returns here triumphant in their pedantry, of course), you don't have people flipping out about half-breed dobermans.. People are just crazy. Dogs are a lot of work - many people that have them shouldn't have them. But what are you going to do? Some dips hit irresponsible thug is going to go out and get himself the dips hit irresponsible thug dog du jour. If Pitt Bulls (and the panoply of mutts so classified) are outlawed, they'll turn to another type of dog and make that the fashionable irresponsible dipshiat thug dog.

Meanwhile everyone remembers the one time a vicious pitt looked at them funny and joins the pee-pants banning brigade.

CSB: I met a couple of Michael Vick's former dogs at a rescue event a few years ago, and still have my face and most of my fingers.



Just an anecdote that I always thought was weird.  I dated one girl who had a pretty significant facial injury from a dobermman attack and the sister of another girl I dated also had a piece of her face ripped off by a doberman.  Both of these attacks happened in 1984...know I guess I know why^^^
 
2014-07-21 02:29:13 PM

Tricky Chicken: OK guys, now is your chance.  It seems the admins are in the mood for cliche troll bait headlines.  You have a high probability of getting a green if you submit any of the following topics.

Redlight/speed cameras
Home owners association
slow traffic in left lane
climate change
tipping
police brutality
kids on planes
kids in restaurants
smokers
a difinitive list of any popular subject
Affordable Care Act
Baby boomers ruining something


Remember to include an obvious spelling/grammar error and you are almost guaranteed a green.
 
2014-07-21 02:32:19 PM

rka: kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.

They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.


You should definitely tell that to the family of the dead kid. It makes complete sense and will help them understand. The world needs your sage advice.
 
2014-07-21 02:32:25 PM

JDAT: They trace back to the Molossian breed.


Carn: Mastiffs.  The Romans used a breed called the Molossus which is extinct but led to Great Pyrenees, Great Danes, Rottweiler, St. Bernard, Cane Corso, etc.


That's one theory about their origin. And it's almost certainly partly true, because probably just about every European breed has Molossus in them, since they went everywhere alongside the Romans. (Although I did think that Rottweilers were pretty strictly descended from them. I don't really care for them, so I don't know.) Which is really the point I was trying to make - that this breed is much more recent. Part of them is probably from the Molossus, but the rest is from all sorts of sources, and much more recent.

My grandmother-in-law's annoying miniature poodles are much more recently and directly descended from water rescue dogs.
 
2014-07-21 02:34:00 PM

kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.


outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?
 
2014-07-21 02:34:21 PM

gnosis301: Impossible. There was a thread about one of these darlings licking someone awake not too long ago!


It's... it's almost if the actions of one dog... doesn't mean that all dogs are the same way!

What a novel concept!
 
2014-07-21 02:34:31 PM

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Right, while attending your child's funeral, you can comfort yourself with the warm righteousness
that comes with being technically correctTM.
 
2014-07-21 02:34:43 PM

kortex: rka: kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.

They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.

You should definitely tell that to the family of the dead kid. It makes complete sense and will help them understand. The world needs your sage advice.


Eh, the dead kid's family don't seem to concerned. Or they didnt when he was alive, at least.
 
2014-07-21 02:35:27 PM
The headline is trolly, but it's also pretty funny.
 
2014-07-21 02:36:23 PM

Vodka Zombie: They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.


This goes for any breed of dog, although the consequences can be much more dire for an aggressive breed such as pit bull.  I see too many young adults get a dog only to treat it like an indoor cat.  "No, I have no idea why your dog is fat, whines all the time, and barks at anything that moves.  Yeah, I guess it's just his personality"
 
2014-07-21 02:37:26 PM

meat0918: moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.

Can't it be both?

People teach their kids to look both ways crossing the street so they don't get hit by cars and we teach drivers to watch for people, especially children, that might dart out into the street so they don't hit a kid.

In fact it should be both.  Teach your kids to ask permission before petting a dog and to not approach unfamiliar dogs, especially if there is not an owner around.

One of my cousins was tore up a bit when she was younger by her mutt beagle/lab/poodle mix, but in the dog's defense, she had been hitting it with stick while it was on a chain in their yard, despite the girl having being told before to not do that multiple times in the past.  The dog still got put down.

Some people just shouldn't own dogs.


Most people shouldn't own dogs and most people shouldn't go near them. Kids are stupid and dogs are dumber. I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone. As even the dog lovers say upthread, it's on the owner. They bought the dog and put it near people.
 
2014-07-21 02:38:13 PM

Cold_Sassy: Your kids are your responsibility. Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?


A four year old doesn't understand that gravity is going to make that jump off the couch hurt until after he/she tries it.  But the jump off the couch isn't usually fatal.

I guess your strategy is that we should teach our children to be automatically terrified of Pitbulls.  Come to think of it, that is a good idea.  It would lead to a generation much more inclined to simply work to have the breed eliminated completely.  A world without pitbulls would be better.  I like your plan.
 
2014-07-21 02:39:36 PM
Here is my evil chow watching TV with my dad.

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2014-07-21 02:39:36 PM

moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.


They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.
 
2014-07-21 02:39:56 PM

Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.

Your kids are your responsibility.  Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?


I don't have any kids, I'm just the typical dog-hater. All I've ever seen is allergens, pawing, slobber, shiat, piss and biting. They're disgusting, violent animals "if you don't train them" and guess what? No one farking does.
 
2014-07-21 02:41:58 PM

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


I'm not for outlawing, but I am for holding the owners to high liability standards. If your pit attacks someone that should be mandatory jail time for you, if your dog kills someone you get charger with 1st degree murder. If it is a vicious mauling a child to death the owner should be executed. I'm sure pit owners would welcome such laws to weed out bad owners, one way or another.
 
2014-07-21 02:42:51 PM

Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.

They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.


I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.
 
2014-07-21 02:43:30 PM
I've been thinking of getting a pit bull but I only have so much money and I really want a neck tattoo. Sometimes in life you have to make hard choices.
 
2014-07-21 02:43:39 PM

Tricky Chicken: Cold_Sassy: Your kids are your responsibility. Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?

A four year old doesn't understand that gravity is going to make that jump off the couch hurt until after he/she tries it.  But the jump off the couch isn't usually fatal.

I guess your strategy is that we should teach our children to be automatically terrified of Pitbulls.  Come to think of it, that is a good idea.  It would lead to a generation much more inclined to simply work to have the breed eliminated completely.  A world without pitbulls would be better.  I like your plan.


A dude from DC with horribly formed opinions, what shock ;)
 
2014-07-21 02:44:44 PM

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I've been thinking of getting a pit bull but I only have so much money and I really want a neck tattoo. Sometimes in life you have to make hard choices.


Do what I did, just miss a couple child support payments, then get a neck tat of your your pitty
 
2014-07-21 02:46:24 PM

kapaso: Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?

I'm not for outlawing, but I am for holding the owners to high liability standards. If your pit attacks someone that should be mandatory jail time for you, if your dog kills someone you get charger with 1st degree murder. If it is a vicious mauling a child to death the owner should be executed. I'm sure pit owners would welcome such laws to weed out bad owners, one way or another.


for all dogs or just pitbulls? I could see problems with either, your kid gets bit by the family dog and now you are not bringing him to the doctor because you'll be arrested.
 
2014-07-21 02:46:43 PM

Rapmaster2000: Pit bull enthusiasts are like those women that date prisoners.


This.
They are white trash bulldogs.
 
2014-07-21 02:47:03 PM

Tricky Chicken: Cold_Sassy: Your kids are your responsibility. Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?

A four year old doesn't understand that gravity is going to make that jump off the couch hurt until after he/she tries it.  But the jump off the couch isn't usually fatal.

I guess your strategy is that we should teach our children to be automatically terrified of Pitbulls.  Come to think of it, that is a good idea.  It would lead to a generation much more inclined to simply work to have the breed eliminated completely.  A world without pitbulls would be better.  I like your plan.


Whatevs, yeah - that was exactly the point I was making.
 
2014-07-21 02:48:43 PM

kindms: blindio: When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.

Tells us more Jimmy The Greek

;)


I can only assume that you're referring to Jimmy The Greek's often overlooked side career as a professional dog breeder.
 
2014-07-21 02:48:58 PM
Pit bulls are like guns.

The people that usually have them are the people you'd least want to have them.
 
2014-07-21 02:49:04 PM

moothemagiccow: Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.

They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.

I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.


Well, thanks for sharing the fact that the only reason you're in this thread is to be a troll.
 
2014-07-21 02:49:27 PM

pseudoscience: Not trying to threadjack, but the resemblance of these arguments to those of gun rights activists is uncanny.


And that's why I, as a gun owner, tend to side with the pit bull people on this one.  It's a bad owner, not a bad dog.  Both were built for killing, you can't argue that.  How the responsible party handles it is what makes the difference.
 
2014-07-21 02:50:33 PM
Killer dogs only have one purpose, amirite?
 
2014-07-21 02:50:54 PM
"They're nuzzling my flesh with their noses!"
 
2014-07-21 02:51:37 PM
Me wants some Neapolitan Mastiff.

Which part of it is strawberry?
 
2014-07-21 02:51:40 PM

moothemagiccow: I don't have any kids, I'm just the typical dog-hater. All I've ever seen is allergens, pawing, slobber, shiat, piss and biting. They're disgusting, violent animals "if you don't train them" and guess what? No one farking does.


As someone who recently took in a vicious dog, this is pretty funny. We got him (a beagle) 4 months ago from a family member who wasn't able to control him (after 9 years, but that's a long story). The other weekend we were visiting my brother's family and their 9 month old daughter spent half an hour pulling on his ears and all he did was look up at me with this mournful face, like he was asking when it would be over.

She stopped to get fed but as soon as she was back on the floor, he ran over to her for more. So I don't think he really hated it that much.

This "untrainable" dog will now wait in front of his full food bowl until my wife or I tells him to eat. We don't even have to tell him to wait anymore. I don't know how long he'll go before eating without being told because I've only managed to last 5 minutes under that much concentrated mournful cuteness.
 
2014-07-21 02:52:14 PM

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


I'd say it's more akin to outlawing cannons while allowing smaller arms that are less broadly dangerous. But we could never have that...
 
2014-07-21 02:52:26 PM

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


This is a great comparison because those guns that are used to kill people do it all by themselves.
 
2014-07-21 02:54:08 PM
I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime
 
2014-07-21 02:56:09 PM

Headso: for all dogs or just pitbulls? I could see problems with either, your kid gets bit by the family dog and now you are not bringing him to the doctor because you'll be arrested.


Personally, I've only ever been bitten by my own dogs. Most people rarely end up dealing with a dog that's sick or hurting if it isn't their own, which is mostly when the dogs I've known start snapping. And I've never been bitten by one of my dogs that was a pit bull or part pit bull. They just don't seem to be as bothered by pain.
 
2014-07-21 02:57:16 PM
We should require personal liability insurance for owning dogs. Enforcement would be tricky.

One of two things would happen. Actuaries would determine pit bulls really aren't any more dangerous than the dogs. Or, and I find this one to be much more likely, most of the people who want to own these bad ass dogs wouldn't be able to afford the insurance.
 
2014-07-21 02:57:37 PM

walkerhound: Both were built for killing, you can't argue that.


iirc pitbulls were further bred in America to move cows and other livestock into the auction pit, as you can imagine the needs for such an occupation would be take damage and be aggressive. Then from there those same people used the dogs to just fight and kill livestock and bears and then that was outlawed so they then used them to fight other pittbulls.
 
2014-07-21 02:57:53 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime


Poor people.
 
2014-07-21 02:59:16 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime


Which humans have been bred for violence? The Spartans are dead.
 
2014-07-21 02:59:38 PM

moothemagiccow: I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.


A friend has two Labs about a year and a half old.  They are sweet dogs and are hysterical to watch play/wrestle together.  However as friendly as they may be, they are tiresome to deal with and because of that I don't visit nearly as often as I used to.  They bark, they jump, they rake, they beg, they mouth things and leave drool all over them, and almost constantly demand attention... things that a non-dog-owner isn't accustomed to dealing with, and frankly (at least in my case) find REALLY irritating REALLY fast, and a lot of dog owners don't seem to understand that.
 
2014-07-21 03:00:21 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime

Which humans have been bred for violence? The Spartans are dead.


There is that one sector from hunger games.
 
2014-07-21 03:02:52 PM

jst3p: Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?

This is a great comparison because those guns that are used to kill people do it all by themselves.


I would ague that the person who robs someone with their gun is also the person who turns their dog into something that will attack and own it in a place that puts people at risk. So you outlaw glocks and pittbulls and they are on to S&W and rhodesian ridgebacks  or whatever.
 
2014-07-21 03:05:08 PM

Headso: jst3p: Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?

This is a great comparison because those guns that are used to kill people do it all by themselves.

I would ague that the person who robs someone with their gun is also the person who turns their dog into something that will attack and own it in a place that puts people at risk. So you outlaw glocks and pittbulls and they are on to S&W and rhodesian ridgebacks  or whatever.


You can argue it all you want can you demonstrate it to be true?
 
2014-07-21 03:07:15 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I've been thinking of getting a pit bull but I only have so much money and I really want a neck tattoo. Sometimes in life you have to make hard choices.

Do what I did, just miss a couple child support payments, then get a neck tat of your your pitty


Outstanding!
 
2014-07-21 03:07:20 PM

jst3p: pat34us: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Golden Retriever? Off to Google I go.

Here's one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711


The baby was in a swing when Lucky, a golden retriever-Labrador mix, bit the child several times and tore off his legs, authorities said.
The child's father, Quintin, was in the home at the time, police said. He was in another room asleep with the family's 3-year-old and their other dog.

Something doesn't add up
 
2014-07-21 03:09:41 PM

Kuroshin: Good job Subby!  Now *that's* how you troll!

[s2.quickmeme.com image 323x322]


If it really was a troll thread, I'd have seen a "Our Gang dog Petey is a pitbull.  scary?" picture by now

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-21 03:14:30 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: If it really was a troll thread, I'd have seen a "Our Gang dog Petey is a pitbull. scary?" picture by now


Ironically, my first exposure to the whole "pitbulls are a dangerous breed" meme was a schoolyard rumor that Petey was poisoned by a stagehand after attacking one of the children.

Dunno if theres any truth to it.
 
2014-07-21 03:14:41 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: rbuzby: It seems like dogs bred for fighting could be more dangerous than dogs bred for hunting or companionship.

Man, I am learning so much about my pit bull today! Thanks Fark!


You are welcome!  It's pretty much common sense.
 
2014-07-21 03:17:07 PM

rbuzby: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: rbuzby: It seems like dogs bred for fighting could be more dangerous than dogs bred for hunting or companionship.

Man, I am learning so much about my pit bull today! Thanks Fark!

You are welcome!  It's pretty much common sense.


You'll understand my confusion considering my dog, which I learned today is "bred for fighting" only wants to cuddle. I'm sure she's a ticking time bomb though :)
 
2014-07-21 03:18:52 PM

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?

This is a great comparison because those guns that are used to kill people do it all by themselves.

I would ague that the person who robs someone with their gun is also the person who turns their dog into something that will attack and own it in a place that puts people at risk. So you outlaw glocks and pittbulls and they are on to S&W and rhodesian ridgebacks  or whatever.

You can argue it all you want can you demonstrate it to be true?


During the 70s and early 80s german shepherds were the #1 killer dog now it is pittbulls the only way that could be is if humans were at fault.
 
2014-07-21 03:20:29 PM

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?

This is a great comparison because those guns that are used to kill people do it all by themselves.

I would ague that the person who robs someone with their gun is also the person who turns their dog into something that will attack and own it in a place that puts people at risk. So you outlaw glocks and pittbulls and they are on to S&W and rhodesian ridgebacks  or whatever.

You can argue it all you want can you demonstrate it to be true?

During the 70s and early 80s german shepherds were the #1 killer dog now it is pittbulls the only way that could be is if humans were at fault.


Did they actually kill with the same frequency? They were the #1  attack dog but they don't seem to be as effective at killing people.
 
2014-07-21 03:22:05 PM
A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners
 
2014-07-21 03:26:53 PM

Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners


/CSB
 
2014-07-21 03:31:51 PM

Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners


3/10
 
2014-07-21 03:34:50 PM

happydude45: You mean there are Muslim dogs? I had no idea.


They are usually called Afghans.
 
2014-07-21 03:34:53 PM

Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once


Why would a dog attack your Swedish furniture?
 
2014-07-21 03:35:50 PM

pat34us: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711


Did you see the picture of the dog?

assets.nydailynews.com


I love it when shelters say "XX-Labrador mix," because usually that means pit bull mix.  You can see it in the nose and the eyes - that's a pit mix.
 
2014-07-21 03:36:53 PM

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-21 03:37:39 PM
 
2014-07-21 03:38:58 PM

stonelotus: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

/CSB


Thanks. Here's another: concert in city park. Crowds flock to tent due to rain. Couple bring their pitbulls into tent near children. Lightning strikes. Dogs get upset and lunge at children. Entire crowd tells owners to leave NOW and take their psycho dogs with them or die. Again...VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners
 
2014-07-21 03:39:50 PM

walkerhound: pat34us: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

Did you see the picture of the dog?

[assets.nydailynews.com image 425x319]


I love it when shelters say "XX-Labrador mix," because usually that means pit bull mix.  You can see it in the nose and the eyes - that's a pit mix.


It just looks like a lab to me. The fur would most likely be shorter if it was part pit bull, and the head would be heavier. And labs normally have that square muzzle.
 
2014-07-21 03:40:28 PM

Stoj: 2nd one to hit the news... past 24 hours?


American Staffordshire terrier, which resembles a pit bull.

lovepet.com.br
 
2014-07-21 03:41:31 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

3/10


So now a true story is trolling? Whatever doom guy.
 
2014-07-21 03:42:16 PM
I hate to see dogs put down, but I would support an effort to have this breed die out.
 
2014-07-21 03:42:48 PM

Stoj: 2nd one to hit the news... past 24 hours?


Look you need to understand that that baby was likely being aggressive towards the loving pitbull.
 
2014-07-21 03:45:25 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Stoj: 2nd one to hit the news... past 24 hours?

Look you need to understand that that baby was likely being aggressive towards the loving pitbull.


Yeah, parents fault. Should have taught that seven month old how to act around animals.
 
2014-07-21 03:48:35 PM

destrip: Me wants some Neapolitan Mastiff.

Which part of it is strawberry?


The part that's pink.
 
2014-07-21 03:51:04 PM
I May Be Crazy But...:It just looks like a lab to me. The fur would most likely be shorter if it was part pit bull, and the head would be heavier. And labs normally have that square muzzle.

Neither labs nor golden's have pink, nude mucosal surfaces like the dog in the photo, unlike light colored pit bulls.  And coat length means fark-all when we're talking about a cross-breed.

/we could argue about this ad nauseum, the point is shelters love to call a pit bull mix a "Lab mix."
 
2014-07-21 03:53:35 PM

walkerhound: I love it when shelters say "XX-Labrador mix," because usually that means pit bull mix.  You can see it in the nose and the eyes - that's a pit mix.


They do that because you can't get homeowners insurance sometimes, it seems to be based on the location. I have a pittbull or whatever mixed with a black lab, he's really old now 13+ but when we got him that was the only kind of dog they had at the shelter. We checked into it beforehand and our NY homeowners wouldn't allow pittbulls but the insurance we have on our cape house in MA did allow it. The funny thing is in NY we have a ton of land, many acres, but in MA we only have a small lot. but it didn't matter anyway  because the shelter always just puts the other breed as the type of dog so ours was a "black lab mix" according to the insurance. This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.
 
2014-07-21 03:54:31 PM

pat34us: jst3p: pat34us: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Golden Retriever? Off to Google I go.

Here's one:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

The baby was in a swing when Lucky, a golden retriever-Labrador mix, bit the child several times and tore off his legs, authorities said.
The child's father, Quintin, was in the home at the time, police said. He was in another room asleep with the family's 3-year-old and their other dog.

Something doesn't add up


The other dog was a pit, but it obviously didn't do it as it was found licking blood off the child's legs in an attempt to heal him. The lab mix was in the corner with a guilty look on its face.
 
2014-07-21 03:54:43 PM

walkerhound: I May Be Crazy But...:It just looks like a lab to me. The fur would most likely be shorter if it was part pit bull, and the head would be heavier. And labs normally have that square muzzle.

Neither labs nor golden's have pink, nude mucosal surfaces like the dog in the photo, unlike light colored pit bulls.  And coat length means fark-all when we're talking about a cross-breed.

/we could argue about this ad nauseum, the point is shelters love to call a pit bull mix a "Lab mix."


Definitely has that pitbull look in the face and skull shape. Probably has the pitbull toughguy brain too...
 
2014-07-21 03:56:07 PM

walkerhound: I May Be Crazy But...:It just looks like a lab to me. The fur would most likely be shorter if it was part pit bull, and the head would be heavier. And labs normally have that square muzzle.

Neither labs nor golden's have pink, nude mucosal surfaces like the dog in the photo, unlike light colored pit bulls.  And coat length means fark-all when we're talking about a cross-breed.

/we could argue about this ad nauseum, the point is shelters love to call a pit bull mix a "Lab mix."


Eh, a big square chested terrier, whatever you name it can do some damage if it's not properly trained, treated, or otherwise gets riled up for whatever reason.

That said, the only dog bite I've witnessed in the last 40 years was a tiny poodle that bit my dad, while he was playing with it.  Obviously, no one really worries too much about tiny poodle bites.
 
2014-07-21 03:56:18 PM

Friction8r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

3/10

So now a true story is trolling? Whatever doom guy.


I thought you were trolling since you mentioned an Akita, which are way more aggressive than pits
 
2014-07-21 03:56:40 PM

Headso: This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.


Then eventually pit bulls would be bred (bread?) out of existence.
 
2014-07-21 03:58:23 PM
There is nothing to lose by letting certain breeds die out.

"But we need fighting dogs to look tough!" -  the cry of the irresponsible.
 
2014-07-21 04:00:14 PM

walkerhound: I May Be Crazy But...:It just looks like a lab to me. The fur would most likely be shorter if it was part pit bull, and the head would be heavier. And labs normally have that square muzzle.

Neither labs nor golden's have pink, nude mucosal surfaces like the dog in the photo, unlike light colored pit bulls.  And coat length means fark-all when we're talking about a cross-breed.

/we could argue about this ad nauseum, the point is shelters love to call a pit bull mix a "Lab mix."


That's true that often a Lab/Pit Bull mix is often called a Lab mix. I don't agree with you about this particular one, but that doesn't matter.
 
2014-07-21 04:02:13 PM

Carousel Beast: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Da fuq?

You are amazingly incorrect, sir.


He is incorrect, but if you improperly train, mistreat, and ignore any dog you're going to have a problem.

The problem is shiatty people think pitbulls are BA because the are strong and look cool. If it were golden retrievers the same thing would happen. In fact most dog attacks are chuahuas(sp?), but due to their size they don't cause as much damage. It all stems from the same thing though: people not training their dogs. Chiuahua's are tiny so they're easy to control and people see them as accesories so they don't train them.

It's unfortunate that such a light is cast on bully breeds, it's causing a huge issue of dogs being abandoned, which then comes full circle as a dog is left on the street untrained and dogs getting hungry and desperate.
 
2014-07-21 04:02:28 PM
Sure, not all pits are killers. But how many children do we have to save before it is worth it? One... two... three?
 
2014-07-21 04:03:20 PM

Ker_Thwap: That said, the only dog bite I've witnessed in the last 40 years was a tiny poodle that bit my dad, while he was playing with it.  Obviously, no one really worries too much about tiny poodle bites.


I work with animals for a living, and have been bitten three times.  Once, a dying Malamute.  The second, a poodle, and the third a Westie.  All of them had really bad teeth - the worst of my worries.  Of course, I've been much more careful around dangerous-acting Belgians, pit bulls, and Filas than I was with the others.
 
2014-07-21 04:03:53 PM

jst3p: Stoj: 2nd one to hit the news... past 24 hours?

American Staffordshire terrier, which resembles a pit bull.

[lovepet.com.br image 550x230]


Link

Link
 
2014-07-21 04:04:13 PM

jst3p: Headso: This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.

Then eventually pit bulls would be bred (bread?) out of existence.


on paper yeah.
 
2014-07-21 04:06:35 PM

Stoj: jst3p: Stoj: 2nd one to hit the news... past 24 hours?

American Staffordshire terrier, which resembles a pit bull.

[lovepet.com.br image 550x230]

Link

Link


Very interesting, thanks!
 
2014-07-21 04:07:35 PM

Headso: jst3p: Headso: This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.

Then eventually pit bulls would be bred (bread?) out of existence.

on paper yeah.


If banning the breed would have no effect why do you oppose it?
 
2014-07-21 04:07:52 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

3/10

So now a true story is trolling? Whatever doom guy.

I thought you were trolling since you mentioned an Akita, which are way more aggressive than pits


I can see your point. They WERE bred to hunt bears. I had him since he was a puppy and raised him around kids and other dogs. He was very sweet to all except the pit that attacked him. But I guess some pitbull owners could say the same thing if they nurtured their dogs from puppyhood. Still, from what I've witnessed, most pitbull owners are thugs and chose that breed to posture their thuggish ways.
 
2014-07-21 04:08:52 PM

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Let's start with the ones calling for the heads of all pit bulls.
 
2014-07-21 04:11:26 PM

blindio: kindms: blindio: When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.

Tells us more Jimmy The Greek

;)

I can only assume that you're referring to Jimmy The Greek's often overlooked side career as a professional dog breeder.


Sorry. It just struck me as funny
 
2014-07-21 04:11:42 PM
It's sooo hard to teach kids not to touch things in other people's homes, isn't it?
 
2014-07-21 04:12:56 PM
Pi-bulls have killed more people then guns ever will, yet they will let anyone own one.


It's time for common sense dog safety.
 
2014-07-21 04:13:40 PM

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.

Then eventually pit bulls would be bred (bread?) out of existence.

on paper yeah.

If banning the breed would have no effect why do you oppose it?


I oppose banning the breed for the same reasons I oppose banning the weed. It's just legislation that hurts poor people and makes people do end runs around it but won't actually take the controlled substance off the streets.
 
2014-07-21 04:16:22 PM

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


If a group of Americans went to an orphanage and adopted a bunch of kids from Tahiti, then proceeded to raise these kids poorly, train them to fight indiscriminately, or attack African Americans, or were simply treated so badly that they were badly socialized and therefore prone to violence, you would see a crime wave of Tahitian kids all over the news.

Idiots would conclude that Tahitians are violent and dangerous. Others would know better.
 
2014-07-21 04:16:45 PM

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.

Then eventually pit bulls would be bred (bread?) out of existence.

on paper yeah.

If banning the breed would have no effect why do you oppose it?

I oppose banning the breed for the same reasons I oppose banning the weed. It's just legislation that hurts poor people and makes people do end runs around it but won't actually take the controlled substance off the streets.


Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?
 
2014-07-21 04:17:14 PM

Friction8r: ghetto


Friction8r: thugs


Just a little suggestion here. If you don't want to sound racist, use different words. Those are often used by racists trying to hide it and it confuses a lot of us.
 
2014-07-21 04:22:01 PM

Friction8r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

3/10

So now a true story is trolling? Whatever doom guy.

I thought you were trolling since you mentioned an Akita, which are way more aggressive than pits

I can see your point. They WERE bred to hunt bears. I had him since he was a puppy and raised him around kids and other dogs. He was very sweet to all except the pit that attacked him. But I guess some pitbull owners could say the same thing if they nurtured their dogs from puppyhood. Still, from what I've witnessed, most pitbull owners are thugs and chose that breed to posture their thuggish ways.


I don't completely disagree with you. I have a pit that we raised since she was about 6 months old, and she's the sweetest, most socially well-adjusted dog I've ever had. But yeah, for some reason, the breed does seem to attract a disproportionate amount of scumbags who don't properly raise their dog(s).

I love the breed, and am obviously opposed to having the breed eliminated, but I'd be all for special licensure for ownership to try and reduce white/ghetto trash from further tainting the breed.
 
2014-07-21 04:25:30 PM

jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?


well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"
 
2014-07-21 04:25:39 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Friction8r: ghetto

Friction8r: thugs

Just a little suggestion here. If you don't want to sound racist, use different words. Those are often used by racists trying to hide it and it confuses a lot of us.


True that. Not racist. In fact I more often associate pitbull owners with white trash meth head trailer park tough guys...and tough guy bikers with tats. The term thug used to have no racial connotation but has been co-opted in recent years.
 
2014-07-21 04:26:02 PM

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


That's what Siegfried and Roy used to say.  "This is our pet!  We raised it from a baby, it would never hurt us."
 
2014-07-21 04:27:41 PM

Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.

They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.



I'll take "Body Language" for 100, Alex.
 
2014-07-21 04:29:17 PM

kindms: They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc


This.

So many people trying to turn this into a pitbull thing when it's not.  Parents didn't supervise their toddler, toddler got himself killed doing something stupid which he couldn't have known better..

Banning everything that is dangerous to a 4 year old would be stupid.  Parents NEED to keep an eye on their kid.

Parenting failure, not dog owner failure.
 
2014-07-21 04:29:53 PM

Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"


So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?
 
2014-07-21 04:33:43 PM

GoldSpider: moothemagiccow: I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.

A friend has two Labs about a year and a half old.  They are sweet dogs and are hysterical to watch play/wrestle together.  However as friendly as they may be, they are tiresome to deal with and because of that I don't visit nearly as often as I used to.  They bark, they jump, they rake, they beg, they mouth things and leave drool all over them, and almost constantly demand attention... things that a non-dog-owner isn't accustomed to dealing with, and frankly (at least in my case) find REALLY irritating REALLY fast, and a lot of dog owners don't seem to understand that.


Dogs are like anything else, really. You get out of it what you put in. If you enjoy being outside, throwing a ball, frisbee, whatever, if you enjoy having a trained dog, you'll love it. It can be rewarding.  If you don't want to be bothered with all the walking, get a cat and a litter box, everyone will be better off. And if that's too much, get a hamster and a good stiff terlet paper tube.
 
2014-07-21 04:34:39 PM

Friction8r: In fact I more often associate pitbull owners with white trash meth head trailer park tough guys...and tough guy bikers with tats.


Hey, I like pit bulls. I only grew up NEXT to the trailer park! And I've never tried meth or been called tough.

/But my wife calls me white trash when I make her angry enough.
 
2014-07-21 04:35:11 PM
32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.2
Together, pit bulls (25) and rottweilers (1), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 81% of the total recorded deaths in 2013. This same combination accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 9-year period of 2005 to 2013.
The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 9-year period. From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 33, about one citizen every 99.5 days.
In the year of 2013, the combination of pit bulls (25), rottweilers (1) and bullmastiffs (2) accounted for 88% of all dog bite-related fatalities. Notably, the two bullmastiff-mixes3 were littermates that inflicted death within a 6-month period.
Annual data from 2013 shows that 56% (18) of the fatality victims were children 7-years and younger, and 44% (14) were adults, 25-years and older. Of the total children killed by dogs in 2013, 61% (11) were ages 4-years and younger.
 
2014-07-21 04:35:30 PM
HST's Dead Carcass:

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

img.photobucket.com


img.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-21 04:37:12 PM
Points to his post above, so suck it pit bull apologists, the facts outweigh your "omg they are so sweet" arguments.
 
2014-07-21 04:39:57 PM

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?


it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?
 
2014-07-21 04:43:01 PM

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?


What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?
 
2014-07-21 04:43:54 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Points to his post above, so suck it pit bull apologists, the facts outweigh your "omg they are so sweet" arguments.


I especially like the part of your post that addresses the demographics of the owners.

/I'll bet they were them damn Tahitians
 
2014-07-21 04:44:45 PM

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?


/First of all, police dont do "home invasions" they serve warrants.  And secondly, there is no police department in the USA that goes in throwing grenades. Seriously, you are either a very stupid troll, or an idiot.  I'm thinking a mix of both.
 
2014-07-21 04:47:36 PM
FarkinHostile:

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.
 
2014-07-21 04:47:48 PM

scottydoesntknow: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

When looking at the total population of dogs, yes the percentage of them that attack/kill a person is pretty low. But when a majority of those attacks come from a single breed, it does start to represent that breed.

/Doesn't mind pit bulls
//Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions


I am a dog person, but there are three breeds I will never, ever own again.  I will never own an Akita-mauled and have nasty scars on my right hand and forearm, even after obedience training and no prior warning; was the so-called perfect dog until she snapped one evening and it was a shock, no previous signs of aggression had been shown by her and this is at the 3 year mark.  Pit Bulls-yeah, had a friend who owned one and he was super loverly, I was never afraid of him, but will not own one-he hated my husband and hubs was actually afraid to touch him.  He came from a good blood line, but I'll never trust the people who breed these dogs.  Chihuahua-also attacked me and those lil farkers can bite.  I bled pretty good.  Nope, not in my house.  I don't hate any of these breeds, but will not allow them in my house ever again.

/current dog is a Pug/something mix and doesn't bite so she can stay, even though I prefer big dogs over the small ones.  I'm always afraid I'm gonna step on her
//bad breeders and bloodlines abound.  I will never have another so-called bully breed under my roof, even if I can be friendly with them-next door neighbors have a red-nosed Pit, Princess and she is sweet, but I would never own her
 
2014-07-21 04:49:47 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: First of all, police dont do "home invasions" they serve warrants


tomato, tomato
 
2014-07-21 04:54:02 PM

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?

What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?


 we   disagree on a fundamental level about the reasons these dogs are responsible for the attacks so when you pose such a question I would just say the people would just move on to some other masculine looking dog and then like pittbulls taking the crown from german shepherds that same thing would happen and a new dog would be in the crosshairs.
 
2014-07-21 04:56:18 PM

kindms: walkerhound: I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.

From excessive licking, of course.

eh. I hate to admit it but I was walking my pug a few weeks back and was approached by a grand father and his tiny grand son. He asked if it was ok to pet my pug. I said sure. I had him on short leash but the pug jumped up being affectionate and scratched the little boy. I FREAKED. I couldn't say sorry more. He was like no big deal but I couldn't help thinking that it could have been worse and he has never done anything like that before

So I don't think Ill be giving the ok to little kids any more. The liability isn't something I want to deal with. I guess as a pug owner I was lulled in to he is just a big stuffed animal thing but I learned my lesson.


Had something similar happen but was less responsible. Was taking my dog for a walk off leash over by some baseball fields right near my house. There were a few kids at the playground about 75 yards away, but we had our ball and was ok. Well I didn't notice that two of the kids, one further in the lead, were kinda ambling around beyond the playground when they saw us. When I noticed, they ran back shrieking. Not like laughing or gleefully cheering, they shrieked--a play shriek but still a shriek. Well, my dog kinda jogged over to them, and there was one that was probably about 3. He saw my dog coming and turned to run and tripped. My dog didn't come near to touching him, but was close enough that no one would probably believe me. By that time I had him returning to 'come', but as he was jogging back to me, I heard one girl yell "that dog attacked him, that dog attacked him!"

It scared the ever-livin' crapola outta me. My dog is very friendly, but people around here have what others have described--dogs that are chained to trees (one has 2 pits chained in front, not sure if they stay out there all day but when we walk through neighborhood they are always out in the evening), chained to trees in a fenced back yard, or just penned up in a portion of the back yard. It is not like other places I have lived, where pets are part of the family. So they would be quick to accuse a dog, even if there were no visible marks to show my dog didn't touch the kid.

It could be over like that *snap*. Never again. I felt so bad I made myself literally sick to my stomach.

/learned my lesson
 
2014-07-21 04:57:40 PM

jst3p: What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?


Don't hold your breath waiting for a rational answer to that.
 
2014-07-21 05:00:39 PM

wolfpaq777: kindms: They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc

This.

So many people trying to turn this into a pitbull thing when it's not.  Parents didn't supervise their toddler, toddler got himself killed doing something stupid which he couldn't have known better..

Banning everything that is dangerous to a 4 year old would be stupid.  Parents NEED to keep an eye on their kid.

Parenting failure, not dog owner failure.


THIS


kapaso: Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.

All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

Also, although I've been pulled into this before, I can't stop myself from making the point that prey drive is not the same thing as aggression toward people.  Pit bulls were bred to kill animals, like most other hunting and sporting breeds.  Their genetic makeup is not inherently designed toward killing people any more than any other breed that was developed to bring down large animals.

In fact, if you look at breeds like bloodhounds and mastiffs, those are breeds that could in fact be argued to have been bred to attack and potentially kill people.  The breed standard for dobermans was specifically designed such that an intruder would not have anything to hold on to to keep the dog from attacking them, making them a dangerous guard dog and deterrent for criminals.

At the end of the day, dogs are predators and any of them might attack for some reason.  It's best to train and socialize them and then maintain control of them to minimize attacks but, especially with unsupervised children doing stupid things, sh%t happens and a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.  50-100 pounds of dog coming at you with violent intent is dangerous, no matter what the breed so either ban all dogs bigger than a dachshund (and while you're at it, horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs) or just stop this silly argument.
 
2014-07-21 05:03:56 PM

towatchoverme: You'll see a Fark Independent TM admit Climate Change may be man-made before convincing Pit Bull apologists the breed may be a tad kill-y.


the fark dude. You don't know what you're saying obviously. It's kill-ish, not kill-y.

Heres a story about a pit bull killing a 7 month old who should have obviously knew not to be so babyish around the dog.
 
2014-07-21 05:04:48 PM

FarkinHostile: HST's Dead Carcass:

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

[img.photobucket.com image 600x800]


[img.photobucket.com image 600x800]


lol does that dog has Down's?
 
2014-07-21 05:05:08 PM

gunther_bumpass: GoldSpider: moothemagiccow: I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.

A friend has two Labs about a year and a half old.  They are sweet dogs and are hysterical to watch play/wrestle together.  However as friendly as they may be, they are tiresome to deal with and because of that I don't visit nearly as often as I used to.  They bark, they jump, they rake, they beg, they mouth things and leave drool all over them, and almost constantly demand attention... things that a non-dog-owner isn't accustomed to dealing with, and frankly (at least in my case) find REALLY irritating REALLY fast, and a lot of dog owners don't seem to understand that.

Dogs are like anything else, really. You get out of it what you put in. If you enjoy being outside, throwing a ball, frisbee, whatever, if you enjoy having a trained dog, you'll love it. It can be rewarding.  If you don't want to be bothered with all the walking, get a cat and a litter box, everyone will be better off. And if that's too much, get a hamster and a good stiff terlet paper tube.


I have two black labs that do none of that. At all.
 
2014-07-21 05:06:06 PM

tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?


That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs


Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!
 
2014-07-21 05:06:40 PM

FarkinHostile: HST's Dead Carcass:

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

[img.photobucket.com image 600x800]


[img.photobucket.com image 600x800]


yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.
 
2014-07-21 05:08:35 PM

GoldSpider: jst3p: What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?

Don't hold your breath waiting for a rational answer to that.


Yeah, I know.
 
2014-07-21 05:08:47 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: 32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.2
Together, pit bulls (25) and rottweilers (1), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 81% of the total recorded deaths in 2013. This same combination accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 9-year period of 2005 to 2013.
The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 9-year period. From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 33, about one citizen every 99.5 days.
In the year of 2013, the combination of pit bulls (25), rottweilers (1) and bullmastiffs (2) accounted for 88% of all dog bite-related fatalities. Notably, the two bullmastiff-mixes3 were littermates that inflicted death within a 6-month period.
Annual data from 2013 shows that 56% (18) of the fatality victims were children 7-years and younger, and 44% (14) were adults, 25-years and older. Of the total children killed by dogs in 2013, 61% (11) were ages 4-years and younger.


Wasn't this the same with dobermans and German shepperds in the seventies and eighties? They were the de facto tough guy breed then, now it's pit bulls.


How is it that pit bulls are suddenly so bad when they weren't on anybody's radar thirty years ago?

What changed since then other than popularity of breed among scumbags?
 
2014-07-21 05:09:45 PM

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?

What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?

 we   disagree on a fundamental level about the reasons these dogs are responsible for the attacks so when you pose such a question I would just say the people would just move on to some other masculine looking dog and then like pittbulls taking the crown from german shepherds that same thing would happen and a new dog would be in the crosshairs.


Also, the "cost" of "letting" a breed of dog die is that you can't just allow it to die.  It doesn't happen passively.  You don't post on Fark, get everyone to agree and then all the pit bulls magically disappear, leaving children free to roam the land safely at will.  What these bans ultimately entail is removing and euthanizing people's pets, whether they've harmed anyone or not and killing out of hand any animals in shelters. It's fine if they aren't taking your dog away or you don't have to be the one to give the needle to otherwise healthy, friendly dogs every day for years but it would be miserable for anyone affected, especially *good* owners because those would be the ones most compelled to follow the law.  And, yeah the scumbags would just find another breed and we'd start that fun process over again.
 
2014-07-21 05:12:32 PM

GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!


I take it you either didn't bother to read my post or you should do a bit more research on dog bite fatalities and breed histories.  You could even just look up thread.  I believe someone even posted a chart that is relevant that doesn't require a lot of reading comprehension. kthanxbye!
 
2014-07-21 05:13:29 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: /First of all, police dont do "home invasions" they serve warrants. And secondly, there is no police department in the USA that goes in throwing grenades. Seriously, you are either a very stupid troll, or an idiot. I'm thinking a mix of both.


jeesh you could at least attempt to do some research before you so indignantly dismiss someones story, ya boot licker.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/georgia-t od dler-critically-injured-by-polices-flash-grenade/
 
2014-07-21 05:16:58 PM

Naesen: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Its like folks just dont get it. Almost noone will argue that when dalmations get older, since they are predisposed genetically for the condition, they will go deaf and likely start getting mean because of it. Pits are predisposed to encephalitus genetically, which as they age could very reasonably set off aggressive behavior, not to mention the breed was made for fighting. Nobody will argue that a hound wasn't bred for tracking and hunting, a shephard wasn't bred for herding, or that sled dogs weren't bred for pulling sleds. Why argue that pits weren't bred to fight? Its in their goddamn name! This doesn't make them evil, just make sure when you own and are around these dogs, hell, ANY dog, you fully understand what their purpose in life is and the consequences of that purpose. Keep an eye out for the medical issues prevalent in your breed; hell, get a mutt.

This isn't good or evil, its about using common sense when it comes to your approach to major components of your life, and ultimately others. Is a daschund best suited to pull sleds, or hunt badgers? Is a border collie best suited for waterfowl hunting, or sheep herding? Is a pit bull best suited for watching over children, or guarding a house or vault? This isn't some form of twisted racism, folks. Artificial selection is a goddamned science.


First prize!
 
2014-07-21 05:17:16 PM
rbuzby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.

If by goes nuts you mean accidentally knocks her over with overly enthusiastic licking, then yes.

He's got 30 lbs on her and she only has 2 legs.
 
2014-07-21 05:21:21 PM
Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.
 
2014-07-21 05:26:00 PM

kindms: walkerhound: I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.

From excessive licking, of course.

eh. I hate to admit it but I was walking my pug a few weeks back and was approached by a grand father and his tiny grand son. He asked if it was ok to pet my pug. I said sure. I had him on short leash but the pug jumped up being affectionate and scratched the little boy. I FREAKED. I couldn't say sorry more. He was like no big deal but I couldn't help thinking that it could have been worse and he has never done anything like that before

So I don't think Ill be giving the ok to little kids any more. The liability isn't something I want to deal with. I guess as a pug owner I was lulled in to he is just a big stuffed animal thing but I learned my lesson.


The solution here is to treat your lil dog like you would a big dog.  I know that my little Pug mix dislikes it, but she's not a toy.  It's so easy to treat them like living stuffed animals and Pugs are super affectionate anyway.  Treat your doggie like they were an 80 lb Lab or 120 lb Saint Bernard.  It does work, and with a few exceptions in my house (lil dog gets cold so crawls under the covers with us, argh) it will work.  Dogs have no idea of their size.  Pugs are just stubborn and it takes the patience of a saint to train them.  Hell, mine's a mix and she's still stubborn as a rock.  Don't give up, it can be done.

/.02 and can be done, I promise
 
2014-07-21 05:30:25 PM

FarkinHostile: rbuzby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.

If by goes nuts you mean accidentally knocks her over with overly enthusiastic licking, then yes.

He's got 30 lbs on her and she only has 2 legs.


Yeah she only has 2 legs NOW, but after the pitbull goes nuts she may only have one leg. Good job!
 
2014-07-21 05:31:41 PM
Is it too late to play "Spot the Pitbull"?

i49.tinypic.com
Click here to find out if you're right.
 
2014-07-21 05:34:05 PM
Also, the commands of "Off" and Paws Off are amongst my favies when dealing with my lil Pugmuttle, or whatever she is.  I hope this helps you. Good luck!
 
2014-07-21 05:34:39 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Points to his post above, so suck it pit bull apologists, the facts outweigh your "omg they are so sweet" arguments.


Think about it before you start banning dogs, you might not like the consequences ;) just sayin'
 
2014-07-21 05:36:14 PM

FarkinHostile: Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.


false equivalency is false.
 
2014-07-21 05:38:12 PM
 
2014-07-21 05:42:55 PM
Its not the dogs, it is the owners.  You can tell which dogs to stay away from by who owns them.  I have met pit bulls that were cuddle-sluts because the owners treated them well and even had kids that love them to death.  Then there were some dogs I dared not go near because I knew was kind of assholes their owners were.  Guns don't kill people, other people kill people.  Use that philosophy when there is a dog attack - prosecute the owner to the fullest extent of the law.
 
2014-07-21 05:45:59 PM

Friction8r: FarkinHostile: rbuzby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.

If by goes nuts you mean accidentally knocks her over with overly enthusiastic licking, then yes.

He's got 30 lbs on her and she only has 2 legs.

Yeah she only has 2 legs NOW, but after the pitbull goes nuts she may only have one leg. Good job!


Or three!

Maybe she gets so excited by meeting a nice doggy and she turns to her mother but trips and puts a hand out to catch herself but wedges it in a big crack in the sidewalk and breaks it. Then it turns out that the ER doctor is a mad scientist.
 
2014-07-21 05:52:01 PM

GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!


Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?
 
2014-07-21 05:53:18 PM

Geoff Peterson: FarkinHostile: Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.

false equivalency is false.


The sad thing is it is a completely accurate comparison, and you can't/won't get it. It was quite enlightening when I first had someone cross to the other side of the street when I was walking Bacchus. I really understood something I only thought I did before.

But it's ok, you pants wetters are losing credibility and influence because of people like me, and so many others who properly raise, care for, socialize and train pit bulls. Breed specific legislation is being overturned where it was knee jerked into place, and rejected where introduced now. You can forget ever outlawing Pits, it ain't gonna happen now.

I didn't even want a pit when I decided to get a dog. I specifically wanted a non-pit because of all of the prejudice and ignorance. My mom and I went to 3 different shelters and "interviewed" 8 different dogs of many different breeds. Bacchus was so sweet, so good natured that I took him home 2 days later.  He has gone from being found wandering the streets in a shiatty city to a home where he is loved, and he has proven himself to be a wonderful, good boy. :)

(Cue the "Just wait till he KILLS someone! You'll be sorry!" pants wetting horseshiat. Oh, wait, already happened. LOL)
 
2014-07-21 05:56:26 PM

JesseL: GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!

Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?


Apparently pigs kill a lot of people.
 
2014-07-21 05:58:43 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: JesseL: GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!

Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?

Apparently pigs kill a lot of people.


One slice of bacon at a time. (we all know it is never one slice of bacon).

www.dailyhaha.com
 
2014-07-21 05:58:47 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: JesseL: GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!

Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?

Apparently pigs kill a lot of people.


They do if you're stupid enough to climb into the pen with a big one in a bad mood.
 
2014-07-21 05:59:18 PM

Tricky Chicken: Dragonflew: Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

I knew someone who killed her border collie puppy because of this behaviour. It didn't even nip at their child, it nipped at someone jogging by. She did not even consider giving her away, she immediately had her killed. Or in her words (which infuriated me even more), "helped her to sleep".

This woman is a sociopathic slimeball monster who later abandoned her own child.

Some people should just not own dogs.

Border collies are infuriatingly smart.  You really have to know what you are doing to train them.  They can learn to do different things from the same command based upon inflection.

Slippers! - dog gets slippers
Slippers? - dog lies down

If I trained the dog to heel with the command heel, but accidentally had my left hand on my hip each time I did it, the dog might not know what I was talking about if I said 'heel' without my hand on hip.  Or, It might decide that hand on hip means heel too.

They are often trained to react to whistle commands to herd sheep from a distance.  I cannot whistle the same tone twice if I had to.

The woman you knew should never have been allowed to have children.


Luckily it worked out well, and the dad got full custody.  The kid is intelligent, well-rounded, polite, confident, and all the other things he would not have been if his mother was in the picture.

She had her dog killed (I refuse to say she "helped her to sleep", that phrase is punch-worthy) ten years ago, and I still miss that little thing.  The dog didn't even have a problem with nipping, it was a one-time event, but she killed the dog regardless.

Regarding the interpretation of commands, I was reading an interesting article recently that said (I paraphrase): So, you have just spent an hour in the living room teaching your dog to sit. Congratulations. Your dog now knows how to sit in the living room.
 
2014-07-21 06:06:24 PM

Dragonflew: Regarding the interpretation of commands, I was reading an interesting article recently that said (I paraphrase): So, you have just spent an hour in the living room teaching your dog to sit. Congratulations. Your dog now knows how to sit in the living room.


I've got a Border Collie-German Shepherd mix that I've never had to put much training into at all. I tell him what to do, he takes his best guess at what I mean, I correct him if necessary, and now he knows. Forever.

Easier to work with than most children.
 
2014-07-21 06:08:59 PM

JesseL: They do if you're stupid enough to climb into the pen with a big one in a bad mood.


There's wild ones to worry about also.
 
2014-07-21 06:10:43 PM

Geoff Peterson: FarkinHostile: Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.

false equivalency is false.


Yeah, according to the FBI, African Americans commit way more murders than pit bulls
 
2014-07-21 06:17:32 PM
I'm not so sure if advocating for genocide against black people is really the best defense for a cause.
 
2014-07-21 06:18:05 PM
The dog in the article looks like a sweetheart, like a brindle version of our pit mix. Sadly, the pic is dated 2006, so I hope that cutie found a good home.

/There are no bad dogs, only bad people
 
2014-07-21 06:18:24 PM

Dragonflew: Regarding the interpretation of commands, I was reading an interesting article recently that said (I paraphrase): So, you have just spent an hour in the living room teaching your dog to sit. Congratulations. Your dog now knows how to sit in the living room.


That's true, but you also have to start with your dog learning to sit somewhere.

My preference is to teach them slower. Do 10 or 15 minutes at a time in a few different places. That way when they finally learn it, they know it better. And you can teach them a few tricks at a time then. Also I have a short attention span.
 
2014-07-21 06:23:00 PM

Friction8r: most pitbull owners are thugs and chose that breed to posture their thuggish ways.


How many dog-whistles did you have to buy for your Akita, anyway?
 
2014-07-21 06:31:41 PM

jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?


I heard of one incident involving a 500 kg dose


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-07-21 06:32:48 PM
The only cool pitbull was Spuds McKenzie and Petey.

The rest are stone cold killers

Pitbulls are like tattoos.   They help identify the DERP

img.fark.netwww.blogcdn.com
 
2014-07-21 06:42:33 PM
I have yet to hear a logically sound, convincing argument showing that the benefits of owning such dogs outweigh the risks.

On the one hand, you have the usual benefits of dog ownership (which just about any other breed can offer).
On the other hand, you have mauled and dead children, lawsuits, huge fines, and possible jail time.
 
2014-07-21 07:10:36 PM

Meisaims: happydude45: You mean there are Muslim dogs? I had no idea.

They are usually called Afghans.


Well played.
 
2014-07-21 07:14:15 PM

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


A specific type of gun that, if left uncared for for a while, will decide to try to escape from your gunsafe and eat a child. Yes. Or that might randomly decide to fire while you're taking it for a walk in the park.
 
2014-07-21 07:18:58 PM

I May Be Crazy But...: Friction8r: ghetto

Friction8r: thugs

Just a little suggestion here. If you don't want to sound racist, use different words. Those are often used by racists trying to hide it and it confuses a lot of us.


I absolutely hate that. Thug used to be a meaningful description of a persons indiscriminate use of violence or the threat thereof. Now the racists and race baiters stole it.

///they ruin everything good
 
2014-07-21 07:28:51 PM

notatrollorami: I May Be Crazy But...: Friction8r: ghetto

Friction8r: thugs

Just a little suggestion here. If you don't want to sound racist, use different words. Those are often used by racists trying to hide it and it confuses a lot of us.

I absolutely hate that. Thug used to be a meaningful description of a persons indiscriminate use of violence or the threat thereof. Now the racists and race baiters stole it.

///they ruin everything good


Not everything. There's still a nice summer meal of fried chicken and watermel... uh... give me more time to think.
 
2014-07-21 07:31:31 PM

notatrollorami: I May Be Crazy But...: Friction8r: ghetto

Friction8r: thugs

Just a little suggestion here. If you don't want to sound racist, use different words. Those are often used by racists trying to hide it and it confuses a lot of us.

I absolutely hate that. Thug used to be a meaningful description of a persons indiscriminate use of violence or the threat thereof. Now the racists and race baiters stole it.

///they ruin everything good


Actually the thugs fully embraced it.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-07-21 07:36:29 PM

jaylectricity: Is it too late to play "Spot the Pitbull"?

[i49.tinypic.com image 709x768]
Click here to find out if you're right.


Dog breed DNA tests are notorious for being completely bonkers. Dog breed genetics are a mess. Breed gene pools are refreshed by bringing in other similar breeds and filtering out the offspring that don't look like the standard.
 
2014-07-21 07:41:04 PM
Late & tangential...
Every breed to its purpose, I suppose.
Remember an article, from the Regional section of the NYT, in the late `80's, describing the `warrant police' and how they'd outfit themselves if they knew Pits (or other biters) were on the premise of the offender.  Tranq. guns, leather leg gauntlets and nets.  If the article was accurate, the offenders often outfitted their Pits with leather vests that would cause the tranq darts to glance off.

All I could think of, after reading the article was that Spain Rodriguez should had this material to work from back when he was drawing for Zap comics.

Chows, in packs, are very intelligent and aggressive (to a point - they knew who would shoot at them).  When the County finally paved our road in `00, the `pack' disappeared pretty quickly (not so smart that they avoided becoming road kill).
 
2014-07-21 07:44:04 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

3/10

So now a true story is trolling? Whatever doom guy.

I thought you were trolling since you mentioned an Akita, which are way more aggressive than pits


I don't know where you get off presuming a dog is aggressive because of its breed. I've been reliably informed by numerous farkers in this thread that the breed is completely irrelevant to a dog's aggression and the only possible reason a dog might ever show unwanted aggression is because it's owner trained it that way.
 
2014-07-21 08:28:21 PM
Put it this way, would you get a tiger as a pet? Would you feel comfortable with people walking their tigers along the street?

It may be the owner's fault but there sure seems to be a pattern going on.
 
2014-07-21 08:39:42 PM
jst3p:
One slice of bacon at a time. (we all know it is never one slice of bacon).

[www.dailyhaha.com image 598x431]


That picture makes the song "Down on the Corner" play in my head.

/obscure?

//hng
 
2014-07-21 08:39:49 PM

Chummer45: [guns/pit bulls] aren't inherently bad
It's irresponsible owners of [guns/pit bulls] that are the problem
So quit talking about how [guns/pit bulls] are dangerous because, even though they do kill a hell of a lot of people, it's really their irresponsible owner's fault at the end of the day.
Sorry about your dead loved one - my "right" to own unregulated [pit bulls / gun] ownership trumps public safety.


Except that dogs have their own volition - guns don't. If a dog decides to kill, it can do so (or attempt to do so) on its own. A gun will never decide to kill - it takes a person to the pull the trigger.
 
2014-07-21 08:43:21 PM
HotWingConspiracy:

Not everything. There's still a nice summer meal of fried chicken and watermel... uh... give me more time to think.

GOD DAMN IT ! EVERYBODY likes fried chicken and watermelon!!!!!!
 
2014-07-21 08:56:08 PM

Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

Pit bulls are bred to kill other dogs.  They are selected from source stocks speciffically for this purpose.  They must attack quickly before the other doggie gets the upper hand.  Now when a kid about the same size as a bigger doggie moves in a way the doggie doesn't expect, instinct kicks in and now you have a bad doggie doing what it was bred to do.  But this time the kid's neck is ripped out.


My brother has a border collie and it's been around since both of his kids were born. Border collies might be the smartest dogs alive. His dog nipped once at my niece when she was a baby. Marvin the border collie got a talking to and then he never did it again. He also doesn't beg, because they trained that right out of him. Instead he steals. Everything. They had to put an extra clasp on their refrigerator because once he learned how to open it, there was no going back.

He has, unfortunately, retained all of the information he learned about opening gates, doors, digging out fence posts, and barking at anything, anytime, and anywhere. Sometimes he'll find something outside and want to show it to you, and if you don't immediately drop what you are doing he'll huff and stare at you like you're a goddamned idiot, which to him we probably are.
 
2014-07-21 09:40:32 PM

JesseL: I May Be Crazy But...: JesseL: GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!

Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?

Apparently pigs kill a lot of people.

They do if you're stupid enough to climb into the pen with a big one in a bad mood.


I love the threads when you participate!

You prove over and over again what a huge dipsh*t you are.  You never disappoint!  By they way, how's the trailer? You let you pit bulls sh*t inside, or you make 'em go out in the gravel?
 
2014-07-21 10:05:26 PM

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.


The real problem is the breed is disproportionately owned by bad owners.
 
2014-07-21 10:59:47 PM

Friction8r: stonelotus: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

/CSB

Thanks. Here's another: concert in city park. Crowds flock to tent due to rain. Couple bring their pitbulls into tent near children. Lightning strikes. Dogs get upset and lunge at children. Entire crowd tells owners to leave NOW and take their psycho dogs with them or die. Again...VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners


Here's one for you... This guy I knew used to always take his pitbull with him in his old 70's customized van whenever he would go fishing.  He'd always stop at McDonald's and get his dog a happy meal.  The dog LOVED happy meals but he usually tore the toys to shreds LOL.  Anyway, this one day it was really rainy but my friend decided to go fishing anyway. It was thundering something fierce and it was one of those days that looked like nighttime in the middle of the day.  You could smell a faint hint of ozone from the lightning strikes.  If you've never gone fishing in the rain I highly recommend it.  Something about the raindrops hitting the water brings out the lunkers.  Like they think it's bugs landing on the water or something. My buddy and his dog were cruising along like they always did, the dog's window rolled down so he could stick his snout out the window, rain coming in the window, Led Zeppelin IVcranked up on the stereo.

They had both just finished their lunch from McDonalds and were almost to the creek when a mother squirrel and her brood of baby squirrels made an attempt to cross the slick road in front of the van.  My friend instinctively hit the brakes and wrenched the steering wheel to avoid splattering the little squirrel family all over hell and creation.  When he did, he just narrowly avoided the squirrels but his van went into a sideways slide.  The wheels hit a dry spot of road that had been shielded from the rain by a big elm tree, grabbed hold of the asphalt, and highsided the van.  The van rolled once down the wet grassy embankment on the side of the road and came to an abrupt stop.  The pitbull was flung free of the van through the half open window but Paul was still inside.  He was knocked out cold but still held in place by his seatbelt.  The pit loyally stayed by his master's side until a passing driver stopped when he saw the van pitched in the ditch.  The driver approached the van but my friend's dog made no aggressive moves toward the driver.  He seemed to sense this guy was here to help.

When the EMT/Fire Rescue showed up they had to use the Jaws Of Life to pry the driver's side door open.  When they got the door open and stuck their heads inside to check on my friend, Stairway to Heaven was still playing on the stereo!  Oh, and when the passerby stopped?  The dog chased down and ate those farking squirrels.
 
2014-07-21 11:06:52 PM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: The only cool pitbull was Spuds McKenzie and Petey.

The rest are stone cold killers

Pitbulls are like tattoos.   They help identify the DERP

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According to jaylectricity's link (Wikipedia, and a few other sources), that's a bull terrier, not a pit bull.

This is an American pit bull terrier:

www.pickthepit.com

Here's a video of both together.
So please put away your police-issue guide.

ts3.explicit.bing.net

:)
 
2014-07-21 11:09:30 PM

walkerhound: pat34us: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby -r ipped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

Did you see the picture of the dog?

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I love it when shelters say "XX-Labrador mix," because usually that means pit bull mix.  You can see it in the nose and the eyes - that's a pit mix.


I was going to bring that up as well, but didn't want to start anything I'm too lazy to finish, so thanks.I see a red nose/golden retriever myself
 
2014-07-21 11:13:07 PM

Lsherm: Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

Pit bulls are bred to kill other dogs.  They are selected from source stocks speciffically for this purpose.  They must attack quickly before the other doggie gets the upper hand.  Now when a kid about the same size as a bigger doggie moves in a way the doggie doesn't expect, instinct kicks in and now you have a bad doggie doing what it was bred to do.  But this time the kid's neck is ripped out.

My brother has a border collie and it's been around since both of his kids were born. Border collies might be the smartest dogs alive. His dog nipped once at my niece when she was a baby. Marvin the border collie got a talking to and then he never did it again. He also doesn't beg, because they trained that right out of him. Instead he steals. Everything. They had to put an extra clasp on their refrigerator because once he learned how to open it, there was no going back.

He has, unfortunately, retained all of the information he learned about opening gates, doors, digging out fence posts, and barking at anything, anytime, and anywhere. Sometimes he'll find something outside and want to show it to you, and if you don't immediately drop what you are doing he'll huff and stare at you like you're a goddamned idiot, which to him we probably are.


LOL.  Probably so, we are all idiots to those dogs of higher intelligence.  Having been owned by 2 Lab/Border Collie mixes, one of which learned how to open the gate and took him and his lil sis on walks in the neighborhood, I can relate, oh so much-they went out for treats and pets and the neighbors would always escort them home like it was no big deal (yup, neighbors loved my dogs and gave them treats/pets and threw tennis balls for them in their own back yards while I was at work), it took I don't know how many self walks without the peoples, before any of my neighbors even bothered to call me and it's because a new neighbor hadn't been visited by them before and had a very young child who didn't know them (kid was fine, mommy dearest was panicked of my oh so scary, baby eating dogs).  It's just hard to deal with intelligent dogs especially if they're good at problem solving or puzzles (gates, fridges, etc)  Very good to hear he no longer bites, though :)
 
2014-07-22 12:33:57 AM
The poor boy was licked to death. Because they're such great, family-friendly, lovable old critters.

Pit bulls are canine guns.
 
2014-07-22 01:50:51 AM
Big_Doofus:
I love the threads when you participate!

You prove over and over again what a huge dipsh*t you are.  You never disappoint!  By they way, how's the trailer? You let you pit bulls sh*t inside, or you make 'em go out in the gravel?


Nice. Really nailed your character with that one.
 
2014-07-22 02:47:04 AM

JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Anyone see a problem with this methodology?


If by "media reports" you mean hospitals, police departments and local health departments, then yes.

But in the real world, no.
 
2014-07-22 03:17:00 AM
blu.stb.s-msn.com

Spuds Mackenzie was a bull terrier just like Blue.
 
2014-07-22 03:24:01 AM
cdn01.dailycaller.com

Is KFC girl now old news?
 
2014-07-22 05:41:33 AM

walkerhound: I May Be Crazy But...:It just looks like a lab to me. The fur would most likely be shorter if it was part pit bull, and the head would be heavier. And labs normally have that square muzzle.

Neither labs nor golden's have pink, nude mucosal surfaces like the dog in the photo, unlike light colored pit bulls.  And coat length means fark-all when we're talking about a cross-breed.

/we could argue about this ad nauseum, the point is shelters love to call a pit bull mix a "Lab mix."


Actually, a friend has a "Labradoodle" that wound up with a pink nose. Sometimes mixes turn out funny.
 
2014-07-22 05:52:15 AM

jaylectricity: Is it too late to play "Spot the Pitbull"?


Click here to find out if you're right.


I picked the pit in 0 seconds on the first attempt. Yay me.

What I notice no one has mentioned is that the child in TFA was eating ice cream. Think food in the hand might have had something to do with the dogs going haywire?

/Basset hound owner
 
2014-07-22 07:51:40 AM

JesseL: Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?


Let me guess, your definition of "documented history" holds both isolated incidents and thousands of documented attacks in equal regard.
 
2014-07-22 08:34:02 AM
Put it this way, would you get a tiger as a pet? Would you feel comfortable with people walking their tigers along the street?

It may be the owner's fault but there sure seems to be a pattern going on.


Plenty of idiots would. But there are laws against it.
 
2014-07-22 10:00:24 AM
And looking back over this thread, all i can say is "Bingo."
 
2014-07-22 12:06:50 PM

GoldSpider: JesseL: Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?

Let me guess, your definition of "documented history" holds both isolated incidents and thousands of documented attacks in equal regard.


Are you really that ignorant? Horses and cows alone account for for deaths in the US every year than all dogs.
 
2014-07-22 12:07:34 PM

JesseL: GoldSpider: JesseL: Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?

Let me guess, your definition of "documented history" holds both isolated incidents and thousands of documented attacks in equal regard.

Are you really that ignorant? Horses and cows alone account for for

more deaths in the US every year than all dogs.

FTFM
 
2014-07-22 12:28:35 PM

Loadmaster: I have yet to hear a logically sound, convincing argument showing that the benefits of owning such dogs outweigh the risks.

On the one hand, you have the usual benefits of dog ownership (which just about any other breed can offer).
On the other hand, you have mauled and dead children, lawsuits, huge fines, and possible jail time.


Not saying they're compensating for something but they're compensating for something...
 
2014-07-22 04:16:04 PM

robrr2003: Loadmaster: I have yet to hear a logically sound, convincing argument showing that the benefits of owning such dogs outweigh the risks.

On the one hand, you have the usual benefits of dog ownership (which just about any other breed can offer).
On the other hand, you have mauled and dead children, lawsuits, huge fines, and possible jail time.

Not saying they're compensating for something but they're compensating for something...


Though I'd hate to see what some people are compensating for by owning a pack of chihuahuas. because with one, you might as well not own any.  There isn't any compensation
 
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