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2014-07-21 04:16:22 PM  

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


If a group of Americans went to an orphanage and adopted a bunch of kids from Tahiti, then proceeded to raise these kids poorly, train them to fight indiscriminately, or attack African Americans, or were simply treated so badly that they were badly socialized and therefore prone to violence, you would see a crime wave of Tahitian kids all over the news.

Idiots would conclude that Tahitians are violent and dangerous. Others would know better.
 
2014-07-21 04:16:45 PM  

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: This same thing would happen if they banned pittbulls, suddenly every dog would be a mutt.

Then eventually pit bulls would be bred (bread?) out of existence.

on paper yeah.

If banning the breed would have no effect why do you oppose it?

I oppose banning the breed for the same reasons I oppose banning the weed. It's just legislation that hurts poor people and makes people do end runs around it but won't actually take the controlled substance off the streets.


Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?
 
2014-07-21 04:17:14 PM  

Friction8r: ghetto


Friction8r: thugs


Just a little suggestion here. If you don't want to sound racist, use different words. Those are often used by racists trying to hide it and it confuses a lot of us.
 
2014-07-21 04:22:01 PM  

Friction8r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Friction8r: A pitbull attacked my Akita once...bad mistake. My Akita reversed the hold, put the pitbull down and had him by the throat when I got there. I grabbed the pitbull by the collar and launched him like a discus about 30 feet. The owner biatched until everyone at the dog park told her to get her stupid dog out of the park. VERY satisfying!
/screw pitbulls
//and their ghetto owners

3/10

So now a true story is trolling? Whatever doom guy.

I thought you were trolling since you mentioned an Akita, which are way more aggressive than pits

I can see your point. They WERE bred to hunt bears. I had him since he was a puppy and raised him around kids and other dogs. He was very sweet to all except the pit that attacked him. But I guess some pitbull owners could say the same thing if they nurtured their dogs from puppyhood. Still, from what I've witnessed, most pitbull owners are thugs and chose that breed to posture their thuggish ways.


I don't completely disagree with you. I have a pit that we raised since she was about 6 months old, and she's the sweetest, most socially well-adjusted dog I've ever had. But yeah, for some reason, the breed does seem to attract a disproportionate amount of scumbags who don't properly raise their dog(s).

I love the breed, and am obviously opposed to having the breed eliminated, but I'd be all for special licensure for ownership to try and reduce white/ghetto trash from further tainting the breed.
 
2014-07-21 04:25:30 PM  

jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?


well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"
 
2014-07-21 04:25:39 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Friction8r: ghetto

Friction8r: thugs

Just a little suggestion here. If you don't want to sound racist, use different words. Those are often used by racists trying to hide it and it confuses a lot of us.


True that. Not racist. In fact I more often associate pitbull owners with white trash meth head trailer park tough guys...and tough guy bikers with tats. The term thug used to have no racial connotation but has been co-opted in recent years.
 
2014-07-21 04:26:02 PM  

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


That's what Siegfried and Roy used to say.  "This is our pet!  We raised it from a baby, it would never hurt us."
 
2014-07-21 04:27:41 PM  

Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.

They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.



I'll take "Body Language" for 100, Alex.
 
2014-07-21 04:29:17 PM  

kindms: They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc


This.

So many people trying to turn this into a pitbull thing when it's not.  Parents didn't supervise their toddler, toddler got himself killed doing something stupid which he couldn't have known better..

Banning everything that is dangerous to a 4 year old would be stupid.  Parents NEED to keep an eye on their kid.

Parenting failure, not dog owner failure.
 
2014-07-21 04:29:53 PM  

Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"


So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?
 
2014-07-21 04:33:43 PM  

GoldSpider: moothemagiccow: I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.

A friend has two Labs about a year and a half old.  They are sweet dogs and are hysterical to watch play/wrestle together.  However as friendly as they may be, they are tiresome to deal with and because of that I don't visit nearly as often as I used to.  They bark, they jump, they rake, they beg, they mouth things and leave drool all over them, and almost constantly demand attention... things that a non-dog-owner isn't accustomed to dealing with, and frankly (at least in my case) find REALLY irritating REALLY fast, and a lot of dog owners don't seem to understand that.


Dogs are like anything else, really. You get out of it what you put in. If you enjoy being outside, throwing a ball, frisbee, whatever, if you enjoy having a trained dog, you'll love it. It can be rewarding.  If you don't want to be bothered with all the walking, get a cat and a litter box, everyone will be better off. And if that's too much, get a hamster and a good stiff terlet paper tube.
 
2014-07-21 04:34:39 PM  

Friction8r: In fact I more often associate pitbull owners with white trash meth head trailer park tough guys...and tough guy bikers with tats.


Hey, I like pit bulls. I only grew up NEXT to the trailer park! And I've never tried meth or been called tough.

/But my wife calls me white trash when I make her angry enough.
 
2014-07-21 04:35:11 PM  
32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.2
Together, pit bulls (25) and rottweilers (1), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 81% of the total recorded deaths in 2013. This same combination accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 9-year period of 2005 to 2013.
The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 9-year period. From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 33, about one citizen every 99.5 days.
In the year of 2013, the combination of pit bulls (25), rottweilers (1) and bullmastiffs (2) accounted for 88% of all dog bite-related fatalities. Notably, the two bullmastiff-mixes3 were littermates that inflicted death within a 6-month period.
Annual data from 2013 shows that 56% (18) of the fatality victims were children 7-years and younger, and 44% (14) were adults, 25-years and older. Of the total children killed by dogs in 2013, 61% (11) were ages 4-years and younger.
 
2014-07-21 04:35:30 PM  
HST's Dead Carcass:

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

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2014-07-21 04:37:12 PM  
Points to his post above, so suck it pit bull apologists, the facts outweigh your "omg they are so sweet" arguments.
 
2014-07-21 04:39:57 PM  

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?


it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?
 
2014-07-21 04:43:01 PM  

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?


What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?
 
2014-07-21 04:43:54 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Points to his post above, so suck it pit bull apologists, the facts outweigh your "omg they are so sweet" arguments.


I especially like the part of your post that addresses the demographics of the owners.

/I'll bet they were them damn Tahitians
 
2014-07-21 04:44:45 PM  

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?


/First of all, police dont do "home invasions" they serve warrants.  And secondly, there is no police department in the USA that goes in throwing grenades. Seriously, you are either a very stupid troll, or an idiot.  I'm thinking a mix of both.
 
2014-07-21 04:47:36 PM  
FarkinHostile:

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.
 
2014-07-21 04:47:48 PM  

scottydoesntknow: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

When looking at the total population of dogs, yes the percentage of them that attack/kill a person is pretty low. But when a majority of those attacks come from a single breed, it does start to represent that breed.

/Doesn't mind pit bulls
//Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions


I am a dog person, but there are three breeds I will never, ever own again.  I will never own an Akita-mauled and have nasty scars on my right hand and forearm, even after obedience training and no prior warning; was the so-called perfect dog until she snapped one evening and it was a shock, no previous signs of aggression had been shown by her and this is at the 3 year mark.  Pit Bulls-yeah, had a friend who owned one and he was super loverly, I was never afraid of him, but will not own one-he hated my husband and hubs was actually afraid to touch him.  He came from a good blood line, but I'll never trust the people who breed these dogs.  Chihuahua-also attacked me and those lil farkers can bite.  I bled pretty good.  Nope, not in my house.  I don't hate any of these breeds, but will not allow them in my house ever again.

/current dog is a Pug/something mix and doesn't bite so she can stay, even though I prefer big dogs over the small ones.  I'm always afraid I'm gonna step on her
//bad breeders and bloodlines abound.  I will never have another so-called bully breed under my roof, even if I can be friendly with them-next door neighbors have a red-nosed Pit, Princess and she is sweet, but I would never own her
 
2014-07-21 04:49:47 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: First of all, police dont do "home invasions" they serve warrants


tomato, tomato
 
2014-07-21 04:54:02 PM  

jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?

What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?


 we   disagree on a fundamental level about the reasons these dogs are responsible for the attacks so when you pose such a question I would just say the people would just move on to some other masculine looking dog and then like pittbulls taking the crown from german shepherds that same thing would happen and a new dog would be in the crosshairs.
 
2014-07-21 04:56:18 PM  

kindms: walkerhound: I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.

From excessive licking, of course.

eh. I hate to admit it but I was walking my pug a few weeks back and was approached by a grand father and his tiny grand son. He asked if it was ok to pet my pug. I said sure. I had him on short leash but the pug jumped up being affectionate and scratched the little boy. I FREAKED. I couldn't say sorry more. He was like no big deal but I couldn't help thinking that it could have been worse and he has never done anything like that before

So I don't think Ill be giving the ok to little kids any more. The liability isn't something I want to deal with. I guess as a pug owner I was lulled in to he is just a big stuffed animal thing but I learned my lesson.


Had something similar happen but was less responsible. Was taking my dog for a walk off leash over by some baseball fields right near my house. There were a few kids at the playground about 75 yards away, but we had our ball and was ok. Well I didn't notice that two of the kids, one further in the lead, were kinda ambling around beyond the playground when they saw us. When I noticed, they ran back shrieking. Not like laughing or gleefully cheering, they shrieked--a play shriek but still a shriek. Well, my dog kinda jogged over to them, and there was one that was probably about 3. He saw my dog coming and turned to run and tripped. My dog didn't come near to touching him, but was close enough that no one would probably believe me. By that time I had him returning to 'come', but as he was jogging back to me, I heard one girl yell "that dog attacked him, that dog attacked him!"

It scared the ever-livin' crapola outta me. My dog is very friendly, but people around here have what others have described--dogs that are chained to trees (one has 2 pits chained in front, not sure if they stay out there all day but when we walk through neighborhood they are always out in the evening), chained to trees in a fenced back yard, or just penned up in a portion of the back yard. It is not like other places I have lived, where pets are part of the family. So they would be quick to accuse a dog, even if there were no visible marks to show my dog didn't touch the kid.

It could be over like that *snap*. Never again. I felt so bad I made myself literally sick to my stomach.

/learned my lesson
 
2014-07-21 04:57:40 PM  

jst3p: What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?


Don't hold your breath waiting for a rational answer to that.
 
2014-07-21 05:00:39 PM  

wolfpaq777: kindms: They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc

This.

So many people trying to turn this into a pitbull thing when it's not.  Parents didn't supervise their toddler, toddler got himself killed doing something stupid which he couldn't have known better..

Banning everything that is dangerous to a 4 year old would be stupid.  Parents NEED to keep an eye on their kid.

Parenting failure, not dog owner failure.


THIS


kapaso: Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.

All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

Also, although I've been pulled into this before, I can't stop myself from making the point that prey drive is not the same thing as aggression toward people.  Pit bulls were bred to kill animals, like most other hunting and sporting breeds.  Their genetic makeup is not inherently designed toward killing people any more than any other breed that was developed to bring down large animals.

In fact, if you look at breeds like bloodhounds and mastiffs, those are breeds that could in fact be argued to have been bred to attack and potentially kill people.  The breed standard for dobermans was specifically designed such that an intruder would not have anything to hold on to to keep the dog from attacking them, making them a dangerous guard dog and deterrent for criminals.

At the end of the day, dogs are predators and any of them might attack for some reason.  It's best to train and socialize them and then maintain control of them to minimize attacks but, especially with unsupervised children doing stupid things, sh%t happens and a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.  50-100 pounds of dog coming at you with violent intent is dangerous, no matter what the breed so either ban all dogs bigger than a dachshund (and while you're at it, horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs) or just stop this silly argument.
 
2014-07-21 05:03:56 PM  

towatchoverme: You'll see a Fark Independent TM admit Climate Change may be man-made before convincing Pit Bull apologists the breed may be a tad kill-y.


the fark dude. You don't know what you're saying obviously. It's kill-ish, not kill-y.

Heres a story about a pit bull killing a 7 month old who should have obviously knew not to be so babyish around the dog.
 
2014-07-21 05:04:48 PM  

FarkinHostile: HST's Dead Carcass:

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

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lol does that dog has Down's?
 
2014-07-21 05:05:08 PM  

gunther_bumpass: GoldSpider: moothemagiccow: I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.

A friend has two Labs about a year and a half old.  They are sweet dogs and are hysterical to watch play/wrestle together.  However as friendly as they may be, they are tiresome to deal with and because of that I don't visit nearly as often as I used to.  They bark, they jump, they rake, they beg, they mouth things and leave drool all over them, and almost constantly demand attention... things that a non-dog-owner isn't accustomed to dealing with, and frankly (at least in my case) find REALLY irritating REALLY fast, and a lot of dog owners don't seem to understand that.

Dogs are like anything else, really. You get out of it what you put in. If you enjoy being outside, throwing a ball, frisbee, whatever, if you enjoy having a trained dog, you'll love it. It can be rewarding.  If you don't want to be bothered with all the walking, get a cat and a litter box, everyone will be better off. And if that's too much, get a hamster and a good stiff terlet paper tube.


I have two black labs that do none of that. At all.
 
2014-07-21 05:06:06 PM  

tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?


That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs


Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!
 
2014-07-21 05:06:40 PM  

FarkinHostile: HST's Dead Carcass:

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.

Say hello to Bacchus, as he savagely trades kisses with a baby:

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yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.
 
2014-07-21 05:08:35 PM  

GoldSpider: jst3p: What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?

Don't hold your breath waiting for a rational answer to that.


Yeah, I know.
 
2014-07-21 05:08:47 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: 32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.2
Together, pit bulls (25) and rottweilers (1), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 81% of the total recorded deaths in 2013. This same combination accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 9-year period of 2005 to 2013.
The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 9-year period. From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 33, about one citizen every 99.5 days.
In the year of 2013, the combination of pit bulls (25), rottweilers (1) and bullmastiffs (2) accounted for 88% of all dog bite-related fatalities. Notably, the two bullmastiff-mixes3 were littermates that inflicted death within a 6-month period.
Annual data from 2013 shows that 56% (18) of the fatality victims were children 7-years and younger, and 44% (14) were adults, 25-years and older. Of the total children killed by dogs in 2013, 61% (11) were ages 4-years and younger.


Wasn't this the same with dobermans and German shepperds in the seventies and eighties? They were the de facto tough guy breed then, now it's pit bulls.


How is it that pit bulls are suddenly so bad when they weren't on anybody's radar thirty years ago?

What changed since then other than popularity of breed among scumbags?
 
2014-07-21 05:09:45 PM  

Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Headso: jst3p: Weed has never killed anyone, what is it about this subject that makes people come up with such horrible analogies?

well it did rhyme...

But really the lack of effectiveness at banning something is why it's comparable. You have this harmless substance that you make illegal and then kill a shiat ton of people in home invasions to get their weed. Police bust in and throw a grenade in your toddlers crib with guns blazing "pew pew pew pew pew merica! we got a report that you had a pittbull! didn't you know those dogs can hurt people!"

So in order to make your analogy work you have to completely fabricate scenarios. Gotcha.

Does this "banning isn't 100% effective so why do it?" logic work for meth? Rocket powered grenades?

it isn't a fabrication, the police did recently throw a grenade in a toddlers crib during one of their home invasions. I think you have to weigh the costs versus benefits when you ban something and meth IMO would be better legal and put the money you go to banning it into treatment, as far as rpgs, you can fire them in vegas along with full auto weapons, haven't you ever been to a bachelor party breh?

What is it "cost" of letting a breed of dog that we created die off? The benefit is "fewer dead children". Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that we should get rid of anything that can kill a kid, but what is the unique benefit of having a pit bull? What does it satisfy that could not be satisfied in exactly the same way by several other breeds of dogs that don't have a history of killing people when they attack?

 we   disagree on a fundamental level about the reasons these dogs are responsible for the attacks so when you pose such a question I would just say the people would just move on to some other masculine looking dog and then like pittbulls taking the crown from german shepherds that same thing would happen and a new dog would be in the crosshairs.


Also, the "cost" of "letting" a breed of dog die is that you can't just allow it to die.  It doesn't happen passively.  You don't post on Fark, get everyone to agree and then all the pit bulls magically disappear, leaving children free to roam the land safely at will.  What these bans ultimately entail is removing and euthanizing people's pets, whether they've harmed anyone or not and killing out of hand any animals in shelters. It's fine if they aren't taking your dog away or you don't have to be the one to give the needle to otherwise healthy, friendly dogs every day for years but it would be miserable for anyone affected, especially *good* owners because those would be the ones most compelled to follow the law.  And, yeah the scumbags would just find another breed and we'd start that fun process over again.
 
2014-07-21 05:12:32 PM  

GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!


I take it you either didn't bother to read my post or you should do a bit more research on dog bite fatalities and breed histories.  You could even just look up thread.  I believe someone even posted a chart that is relevant that doesn't require a lot of reading comprehension. kthanxbye!
 
2014-07-21 05:13:29 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /First of all, police dont do "home invasions" they serve warrants. And secondly, there is no police department in the USA that goes in throwing grenades. Seriously, you are either a very stupid troll, or an idiot. I'm thinking a mix of both.


jeesh you could at least attempt to do some research before you so indignantly dismiss someones story, ya boot licker.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/05/30/georgia-t od dler-critically-injured-by-polices-flash-grenade/
 
2014-07-21 05:16:58 PM  

Naesen: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Its like folks just dont get it. Almost noone will argue that when dalmations get older, since they are predisposed genetically for the condition, they will go deaf and likely start getting mean because of it. Pits are predisposed to encephalitus genetically, which as they age could very reasonably set off aggressive behavior, not to mention the breed was made for fighting. Nobody will argue that a hound wasn't bred for tracking and hunting, a shephard wasn't bred for herding, or that sled dogs weren't bred for pulling sleds. Why argue that pits weren't bred to fight? Its in their goddamn name! This doesn't make them evil, just make sure when you own and are around these dogs, hell, ANY dog, you fully understand what their purpose in life is and the consequences of that purpose. Keep an eye out for the medical issues prevalent in your breed; hell, get a mutt.

This isn't good or evil, its about using common sense when it comes to your approach to major components of your life, and ultimately others. Is a daschund best suited to pull sleds, or hunt badgers? Is a border collie best suited for waterfowl hunting, or sheep herding? Is a pit bull best suited for watching over children, or guarding a house or vault? This isn't some form of twisted racism, folks. Artificial selection is a goddamned science.


First prize!
 
2014-07-21 05:17:16 PM  
rbuzby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.

If by goes nuts you mean accidentally knocks her over with overly enthusiastic licking, then yes.

He's got 30 lbs on her and she only has 2 legs.
 
2014-07-21 05:21:21 PM  
Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.
 
2014-07-21 05:26:00 PM  

kindms: walkerhound: I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.

From excessive licking, of course.

eh. I hate to admit it but I was walking my pug a few weeks back and was approached by a grand father and his tiny grand son. He asked if it was ok to pet my pug. I said sure. I had him on short leash but the pug jumped up being affectionate and scratched the little boy. I FREAKED. I couldn't say sorry more. He was like no big deal but I couldn't help thinking that it could have been worse and he has never done anything like that before

So I don't think Ill be giving the ok to little kids any more. The liability isn't something I want to deal with. I guess as a pug owner I was lulled in to he is just a big stuffed animal thing but I learned my lesson.


The solution here is to treat your lil dog like you would a big dog.  I know that my little Pug mix dislikes it, but she's not a toy.  It's so easy to treat them like living stuffed animals and Pugs are super affectionate anyway.  Treat your doggie like they were an 80 lb Lab or 120 lb Saint Bernard.  It does work, and with a few exceptions in my house (lil dog gets cold so crawls under the covers with us, argh) it will work.  Dogs have no idea of their size.  Pugs are just stubborn and it takes the patience of a saint to train them.  Hell, mine's a mix and she's still stubborn as a rock.  Don't give up, it can be done.

/.02 and can be done, I promise
 
2014-07-21 05:30:25 PM  

FarkinHostile: rbuzby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.

If by goes nuts you mean accidentally knocks her over with overly enthusiastic licking, then yes.

He's got 30 lbs on her and she only has 2 legs.


Yeah she only has 2 legs NOW, but after the pitbull goes nuts she may only have one leg. Good job!
 
2014-07-21 05:31:41 PM  
Is it too late to play "Spot the Pitbull"?

i49.tinypic.com
Click here to find out if you're right.
 
2014-07-21 05:34:05 PM  
Also, the commands of "Off" and Paws Off are amongst my favies when dealing with my lil Pugmuttle, or whatever she is.  I hope this helps you. Good luck!
 
2014-07-21 05:34:39 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Points to his post above, so suck it pit bull apologists, the facts outweigh your "omg they are so sweet" arguments.


Think about it before you start banning dogs, you might not like the consequences ;) just sayin'
 
2014-07-21 05:36:14 PM  

FarkinHostile: Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.


false equivalency is false.
 
2014-07-21 05:38:12 PM  
 
2014-07-21 05:42:55 PM  
Its not the dogs, it is the owners.  You can tell which dogs to stay away from by who owns them.  I have met pit bulls that were cuddle-sluts because the owners treated them well and even had kids that love them to death.  Then there were some dogs I dared not go near because I knew was kind of assholes their owners were.  Guns don't kill people, other people kill people.  Use that philosophy when there is a dog attack - prosecute the owner to the fullest extent of the law.
 
2014-07-21 05:45:59 PM  

Friction8r: FarkinHostile: rbuzby:

As the owner holds on to his collar, juuuuussst in case Bacchus goes nuts.

If by goes nuts you mean accidentally knocks her over with overly enthusiastic licking, then yes.

He's got 30 lbs on her and she only has 2 legs.

Yeah she only has 2 legs NOW, but after the pitbull goes nuts she may only have one leg. Good job!


Or three!

Maybe she gets so excited by meeting a nice doggy and she turns to her mother but trips and puts a hand out to catch herself but wedges it in a big crack in the sidewalk and breaks it. Then it turns out that the ER doctor is a mad scientist.
 
2014-07-21 05:52:01 PM  

GoldSpider: tiamet4: All terriers, most hunting breeds and several of the working breeds were bred to "fight to the death".  Your point is?

That only one of those breeds has a documented history of actually doing it to people.

tiamet4: a pit bull can kill you but so can a lab, german shepherd, Doberman, or mastiff.... horses, cows, and particularly angry pigs

Hmmm, one of these things is not quite like the rest.  See above for a hint!


Wait, are you saying that the only thing there in the list (pit bull, lab, german shepherd, Doberman, mastiff, horses, cows, and pigs) with a documented history of killing people is the pit bull?
 
2014-07-21 05:53:18 PM  

Geoff Peterson: FarkinHostile: Geoff Peterson:

yeah. look three posts above this one, sport. That pit bull gave the baby a kiss the mom will never forget, anyway.

You're right. Pit Bulls are uncontrollable killers that can SNAP at any second for no reason. They can't help it, it's in their blood.

Just like black people.

false equivalency is false.


The sad thing is it is a completely accurate comparison, and you can't/won't get it. It was quite enlightening when I first had someone cross to the other side of the street when I was walking Bacchus. I really understood something I only thought I did before.

But it's ok, you pants wetters are losing credibility and influence because of people like me, and so many others who properly raise, care for, socialize and train pit bulls. Breed specific legislation is being overturned where it was knee jerked into place, and rejected where introduced now. You can forget ever outlawing Pits, it ain't gonna happen now.

I didn't even want a pit when I decided to get a dog. I specifically wanted a non-pit because of all of the prejudice and ignorance. My mom and I went to 3 different shelters and "interviewed" 8 different dogs of many different breeds. Bacchus was so sweet, so good natured that I took him home 2 days later.  He has gone from being found wandering the streets in a shiatty city to a home where he is loved, and he has proven himself to be a wonderful, good boy. :)

(Cue the "Just wait till he KILLS someone! You'll be sorry!" pants wetting horseshiat. Oh, wait, already happened. LOL)
 
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