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2014-07-21 02:21:15 PM  

Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.


You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...
 
2014-07-21 02:21:28 PM  

JackieRabbit: teenytinycornteeth: Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.

I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.

You know, you raise an interesting point that raises this question: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs? At four years of age, I knew better than to go roaring up to to a strange dog and would not have gone near one in a cage. Rather, I was taught to be confident but calm and allow the dog to approach you. Observe the dog's posture and behavior. Is his tail wagging, between his legs or pointing down. Are his ears up, thrown forward or laid back. Is he showing teeth or lolling his tongue, etc. If the dog is nervous or aggressive, it is best to go your separate ways, If he is relaxed, then extend a hand, palm down and allow the dog to sniff you. If this goes well, a few gentle rubs and pats are in order, but not aggressive head rubbing to start.

All kids love dogs, but not all dogs love kids, so kids have to be taught to be careful.


Thank you for pointing this out.  People are ignorant for not teaching their children how to behave around strange dogs.  Parents these days [for the mos part] are stupid.
 
2014-07-21 02:22:08 PM  

kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were ...

You don't have to beat a dog to make it aggressive.  Keeping it chained is good enough to do that. 

My parents were big on chaining dogs.  I've seen Labs go apeshiat after a few years of nothing but an 8 foot radius to explore.

In your childhood story, you don't explain what hte dog's conditions were.  WAS it being beaten? Was it chained, and had nothing to obsess over than people riding by all the time, and because of a complete lack of exercise it went mad and attacked its fixation?

I'm going to guess you don't know, and you don't care.  And a lot of this not caring is leading to a breed being labeled because of bad owners.  I've been chased by dogs, I've been bitten by dogs, I"ve been jumped on and trampled, and in each instance, I can tell you something I did wrong, something the owners did wrong, and nothing that the dog did wrong.  Your CSB doesn't override that.

People need to take some god damned responsibility for themselves and the pets they manage, instead of letting the breed get badmouthed.

Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.


lol
 
2014-07-21 02:23:15 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Parents these days [for the mos part] are stupid.


Same as it ever was.

/parent
//mostly not stupid although I do make my share of parenting mistakes
 
2014-07-21 02:24:27 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...


Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.
 
2014-07-21 02:25:11 PM  

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Its like folks just dont get it. Almost noone will argue that when dalmations get older, since they are predisposed genetically for the condition, they will go deaf and likely start getting mean because of it. Pits are predisposed to encephalitus genetically, which as they age could very reasonably set off aggressive behavior, not to mention the breed was made for fighting. Nobody will argue that a hound wasn't bred for tracking and hunting, a shephard wasn't bred for herding, or that sled dogs weren't bred for pulling sleds. Why argue that pits weren't bred to fight? Its in their goddamn name! This doesn't make them evil, just make sure when you own and are around these dogs, hell, ANY dog, you fully understand what their purpose in life is and the consequences of that purpose. Keep an eye out for the medical issues prevalent in your breed; hell, get a mutt.

This isn't good or evil, its about using common sense when it comes to your approach to major components of your life, and ultimately others. Is a daschund best suited to pull sleds, or hunt badgers? Is a border collie best suited for waterfowl hunting, or sheep herding? Is a pit bull best suited for watching over children, or guarding a house or vault? This isn't some form of twisted racism, folks. Artificial selection is a goddamned science.
 
2014-07-21 02:26:03 PM  

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Your kids are your responsibility.  Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?
 
2014-07-21 02:26:07 PM  

AntonChigger: Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.

How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.


How many firecracker injuries were there overall? I mean, a large portion of the fatalities are because of how strong grenades are. It could be that they explode less often than Black Cats but do to how strong grenades are when they explode results in far more serious injury. It's not the grenade, it's the owner.......
 
2014-07-21 02:26:19 PM  

kapaso: Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.


Not true, Rottweilers were also bred for their ability to kill and you don't see them overly represented in statistics for fatal dog bites. Well... I mean... they are... but that's besides the point.
 
2014-07-21 02:26:22 PM  
OK guys, now is your chance.  It seems the admins are in the mood for cliche troll bait headlines.  You have a high probability of getting a green if you submit any of the following topics.

Redlight/speed cameras
Home owners association
slow traffic in left lane
climate change
tipping
police brutality
kids on planes
kids in restaurants
smokers
a difinitive list of any popular subject
Affordable Care Act
Baby boomers ruining something
 
2014-07-21 02:26:35 PM  

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Not trying to threadjack, but the resemblance of these arguments to those of gun rights activists is uncanny.
 
2014-07-21 02:28:08 PM  

gunther_bumpass: seapig: But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.

As someone else pointed out earlier, in the 70's the tough guy breed was the doberman (damn you Higgins), then the rottweiler, etc. You never hear of doberman attacks now (until some aspie googles it and returns here triumphant in their pedantry, of course), you don't have people flipping out about half-breed dobermans.. People are just crazy. Dogs are a lot of work - many people that have them shouldn't have them. But what are you going to do? Some dips hit irresponsible thug is going to go out and get himself the dips hit irresponsible thug dog du jour. If Pitt Bulls (and the panoply of mutts so classified) are outlawed, they'll turn to another type of dog and make that the fashionable irresponsible dipshiat thug dog.

Meanwhile everyone remembers the one time a vicious pitt looked at them funny and joins the pee-pants banning brigade.

CSB: I met a couple of Michael Vick's former dogs at a rescue event a few years ago, and still have my face and most of my fingers.



Just an anecdote that I always thought was weird.  I dated one girl who had a pretty significant facial injury from a dobermman attack and the sister of another girl I dated also had a piece of her face ripped off by a doberman.  Both of these attacks happened in 1984...know I guess I know why^^^
 
2014-07-21 02:29:13 PM  

Tricky Chicken: OK guys, now is your chance.  It seems the admins are in the mood for cliche troll bait headlines.  You have a high probability of getting a green if you submit any of the following topics.

Redlight/speed cameras
Home owners association
slow traffic in left lane
climate change
tipping
police brutality
kids on planes
kids in restaurants
smokers
a difinitive list of any popular subject
Affordable Care Act
Baby boomers ruining something


Remember to include an obvious spelling/grammar error and you are almost guaranteed a green.
 
2014-07-21 02:32:19 PM  

rka: kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.

They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.


You should definitely tell that to the family of the dead kid. It makes complete sense and will help them understand. The world needs your sage advice.
 
2014-07-21 02:32:25 PM  

JDAT: They trace back to the Molossian breed.


Carn: Mastiffs.  The Romans used a breed called the Molossus which is extinct but led to Great Pyrenees, Great Danes, Rottweiler, St. Bernard, Cane Corso, etc.


That's one theory about their origin. And it's almost certainly partly true, because probably just about every European breed has Molossus in them, since they went everywhere alongside the Romans. (Although I did think that Rottweilers were pretty strictly descended from them. I don't really care for them, so I don't know.) Which is really the point I was trying to make - that this breed is much more recent. Part of them is probably from the Molossus, but the rest is from all sorts of sources, and much more recent.

My grandmother-in-law's annoying miniature poodles are much more recently and directly descended from water rescue dogs.
 
2014-07-21 02:34:00 PM  

kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.


outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?
 
2014-07-21 02:34:21 PM  

gnosis301: Impossible. There was a thread about one of these darlings licking someone awake not too long ago!


It's... it's almost if the actions of one dog... doesn't mean that all dogs are the same way!

What a novel concept!
 
2014-07-21 02:34:31 PM  

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Right, while attending your child's funeral, you can comfort yourself with the warm righteousness
that comes with being technically correctTM.
 
2014-07-21 02:34:43 PM  

kortex: rka: kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.

They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.

You should definitely tell that to the family of the dead kid. It makes complete sense and will help them understand. The world needs your sage advice.


Eh, the dead kid's family don't seem to concerned. Or they didnt when he was alive, at least.
 
2014-07-21 02:35:27 PM  
The headline is trolly, but it's also pretty funny.
 
2014-07-21 02:36:23 PM  

Vodka Zombie: They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.


This goes for any breed of dog, although the consequences can be much more dire for an aggressive breed such as pit bull.  I see too many young adults get a dog only to treat it like an indoor cat.  "No, I have no idea why your dog is fat, whines all the time, and barks at anything that moves.  Yeah, I guess it's just his personality"
 
2014-07-21 02:37:26 PM  

meat0918: moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.

Can't it be both?

People teach their kids to look both ways crossing the street so they don't get hit by cars and we teach drivers to watch for people, especially children, that might dart out into the street so they don't hit a kid.

In fact it should be both.  Teach your kids to ask permission before petting a dog and to not approach unfamiliar dogs, especially if there is not an owner around.

One of my cousins was tore up a bit when she was younger by her mutt beagle/lab/poodle mix, but in the dog's defense, she had been hitting it with stick while it was on a chain in their yard, despite the girl having being told before to not do that multiple times in the past.  The dog still got put down.

Some people just shouldn't own dogs.


Most people shouldn't own dogs and most people shouldn't go near them. Kids are stupid and dogs are dumber. I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone. As even the dog lovers say upthread, it's on the owner. They bought the dog and put it near people.
 
2014-07-21 02:38:13 PM  

Cold_Sassy: Your kids are your responsibility. Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?


A four year old doesn't understand that gravity is going to make that jump off the couch hurt until after he/she tries it.  But the jump off the couch isn't usually fatal.

I guess your strategy is that we should teach our children to be automatically terrified of Pitbulls.  Come to think of it, that is a good idea.  It would lead to a generation much more inclined to simply work to have the breed eliminated completely.  A world without pitbulls would be better.  I like your plan.
 
2014-07-21 02:39:36 PM  
Here is my evil chow watching TV with my dad.

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2014-07-21 02:39:36 PM  

moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.


They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.
 
2014-07-21 02:39:56 PM  

Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.

Your kids are your responsibility.  Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?


I don't have any kids, I'm just the typical dog-hater. All I've ever seen is allergens, pawing, slobber, shiat, piss and biting. They're disgusting, violent animals "if you don't train them" and guess what? No one farking does.
 
2014-07-21 02:41:58 PM  

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


I'm not for outlawing, but I am for holding the owners to high liability standards. If your pit attacks someone that should be mandatory jail time for you, if your dog kills someone you get charger with 1st degree murder. If it is a vicious mauling a child to death the owner should be executed. I'm sure pit owners would welcome such laws to weed out bad owners, one way or another.
 
2014-07-21 02:42:51 PM  

Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.

They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.


I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.
 
2014-07-21 02:43:30 PM  
I've been thinking of getting a pit bull but I only have so much money and I really want a neck tattoo. Sometimes in life you have to make hard choices.
 
2014-07-21 02:43:39 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Cold_Sassy: Your kids are your responsibility. Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?

A four year old doesn't understand that gravity is going to make that jump off the couch hurt until after he/she tries it.  But the jump off the couch isn't usually fatal.

I guess your strategy is that we should teach our children to be automatically terrified of Pitbulls.  Come to think of it, that is a good idea.  It would lead to a generation much more inclined to simply work to have the breed eliminated completely.  A world without pitbulls would be better.  I like your plan.


A dude from DC with horribly formed opinions, what shock ;)
 
2014-07-21 02:44:44 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I've been thinking of getting a pit bull but I only have so much money and I really want a neck tattoo. Sometimes in life you have to make hard choices.


Do what I did, just miss a couple child support payments, then get a neck tat of your your pitty
 
2014-07-21 02:46:24 PM  

kapaso: Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?

I'm not for outlawing, but I am for holding the owners to high liability standards. If your pit attacks someone that should be mandatory jail time for you, if your dog kills someone you get charger with 1st degree murder. If it is a vicious mauling a child to death the owner should be executed. I'm sure pit owners would welcome such laws to weed out bad owners, one way or another.


for all dogs or just pitbulls? I could see problems with either, your kid gets bit by the family dog and now you are not bringing him to the doctor because you'll be arrested.
 
2014-07-21 02:46:43 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pit bull enthusiasts are like those women that date prisoners.


This.
They are white trash bulldogs.
 
2014-07-21 02:47:03 PM  

Tricky Chicken: Cold_Sassy: Your kids are your responsibility. Teach them some self-preservation skills - or would that make them too smart?

A four year old doesn't understand that gravity is going to make that jump off the couch hurt until after he/she tries it.  But the jump off the couch isn't usually fatal.

I guess your strategy is that we should teach our children to be automatically terrified of Pitbulls.  Come to think of it, that is a good idea.  It would lead to a generation much more inclined to simply work to have the breed eliminated completely.  A world without pitbulls would be better.  I like your plan.


Whatevs, yeah - that was exactly the point I was making.
 
2014-07-21 02:48:43 PM  

kindms: blindio: When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.

Tells us more Jimmy The Greek

;)


I can only assume that you're referring to Jimmy The Greek's often overlooked side career as a professional dog breeder.
 
2014-07-21 02:48:58 PM  
Pit bulls are like guns.

The people that usually have them are the people you'd least want to have them.
 
2014-07-21 02:49:04 PM  

moothemagiccow: Cold_Sassy: moothemagiccow: . I cross the street to avoid dogs but still they want to fark with me when I'm at a party or visiting someone.

They know you don't like them and that's why they pester you.

I doubt it, but either way, dogs are assholes of the highest degree. It's pretty much "I demand you stop ignoring me!" which has all the charm of a stalker or rapist.


Well, thanks for sharing the fact that the only reason you're in this thread is to be a troll.
 
2014-07-21 02:49:27 PM  

pseudoscience: Not trying to threadjack, but the resemblance of these arguments to those of gun rights activists is uncanny.


And that's why I, as a gun owner, tend to side with the pit bull people on this one.  It's a bad owner, not a bad dog.  Both were built for killing, you can't argue that.  How the responsible party handles it is what makes the difference.
 
2014-07-21 02:50:33 PM  
Killer dogs only have one purpose, amirite?
 
2014-07-21 02:50:54 PM  
"They're nuzzling my flesh with their noses!"
 
2014-07-21 02:51:37 PM  
Me wants some Neapolitan Mastiff.

Which part of it is strawberry?
 
2014-07-21 02:51:40 PM  

moothemagiccow: I don't have any kids, I'm just the typical dog-hater. All I've ever seen is allergens, pawing, slobber, shiat, piss and biting. They're disgusting, violent animals "if you don't train them" and guess what? No one farking does.


As someone who recently took in a vicious dog, this is pretty funny. We got him (a beagle) 4 months ago from a family member who wasn't able to control him (after 9 years, but that's a long story). The other weekend we were visiting my brother's family and their 9 month old daughter spent half an hour pulling on his ears and all he did was look up at me with this mournful face, like he was asking when it would be over.

She stopped to get fed but as soon as she was back on the floor, he ran over to her for more. So I don't think he really hated it that much.

This "untrainable" dog will now wait in front of his full food bowl until my wife or I tells him to eat. We don't even have to tell him to wait anymore. I don't know how long he'll go before eating without being told because I've only managed to last 5 minutes under that much concentrated mournful cuteness.
 
2014-07-21 02:52:14 PM  

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


I'd say it's more akin to outlawing cannons while allowing smaller arms that are less broadly dangerous. But we could never have that...
 
2014-07-21 02:52:26 PM  

Headso: kapaso: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Headso: racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.

You gotta admit it's highly amusing seeing people get so easily manipulated by the media...

Yes it's the media that has influenced me, not my lying eyes.

outlawing pitbulls is like outlawing a certain brand of gun though. You could probably put some stats together that show that most crimes are committed with a specific handgun. so let's ban just this handgun?


This is a great comparison because those guns that are used to kill people do it all by themselves.
 
2014-07-21 02:54:08 PM  
I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime
 
2014-07-21 02:56:09 PM  

Headso: for all dogs or just pitbulls? I could see problems with either, your kid gets bit by the family dog and now you are not bringing him to the doctor because you'll be arrested.


Personally, I've only ever been bitten by my own dogs. Most people rarely end up dealing with a dog that's sick or hurting if it isn't their own, which is mostly when the dogs I've known start snapping. And I've never been bitten by one of my dogs that was a pit bull or part pit bull. They just don't seem to be as bothered by pain.
 
2014-07-21 02:57:16 PM  
We should require personal liability insurance for owning dogs. Enforcement would be tricky.

One of two things would happen. Actuaries would determine pit bulls really aren't any more dangerous than the dogs. Or, and I find this one to be much more likely, most of the people who want to own these bad ass dogs wouldn't be able to afford the insurance.
 
2014-07-21 02:57:37 PM  

walkerhound: Both were built for killing, you can't argue that.


iirc pitbulls were further bred in America to move cows and other livestock into the auction pit, as you can imagine the needs for such an occupation would be take damage and be aggressive. Then from there those same people used the dogs to just fight and kill livestock and bears and then that was outlawed so they then used them to fight other pittbulls.
 
2014-07-21 02:57:53 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime


Poor people.
 
2014-07-21 02:59:16 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I'm all for eliminating violent dog breeds as long as we also eliminate human "breeds" that commit the vast majority of violent crime


Which humans have been bred for violence? The Spartans are dead.
 
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