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2014-07-21 01:54:50 PM  

teenytinycornteeth: Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.

I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.


You know, you raise an interesting point that raises this question: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs? At four years of age, I knew better than to go roaring up to to a strange dog and would not have gone near one in a cage. Rather, I was taught to be confident but calm and allow the dog to approach you. Observe the dog's posture and behavior. Is his tail wagging, between his legs or pointing down. Are his ears up, thrown forward or laid back. Is he showing teeth or lolling his tongue, etc. If the dog is nervous or aggressive, it is best to go your separate ways, If he is relaxed, then extend a hand, palm down and allow the dog to sniff you. If this goes well, a few gentle rubs and pats are in order, but not aggressive head rubbing to start.

All kids love dogs, but not all dogs love kids, so kids have to be taught to be careful.
 
2014-07-21 01:55:26 PM  

JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.


Maybe you're thinking of Rottweilers? The American Pit Bull Terrier is from the 18th century.
 
2014-07-21 01:55:35 PM  
At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:08 PM  

dualplains: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.


https://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/history.cf m

They recognize the breed, they just use a more formal official name.

These dogs began to find their way into America as early as 1870, where they became known as Pit Dog, Pit Bull Terrier, later American Bull Terrier, and still later as Yankee Terrier.
In 1936, they were accepted for registration in the AKC Stud Book as Staffordshire Terriers.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:33 PM  

towatchoverme: At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.


In this thread: Pit bull apologists having Karl Rove moments doing apologist math that makes them feel better.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:34 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: I hate dog people.


Nice try, now GTFO of the thread.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:45 PM  

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: This study represents "all statistics" as you stated? And why are you glossing over that they list the Humane Society as a source as well? That kind of ruins your argument.

I gloss over the HSUS because they're complete whack jobs with zero credibility on anything except raising money for themselves.


Ah. So you're abandoning the "all the statistics are from media reports" line and pivoting to vaguely attacking the source that you didn't want to mention to push the idea that the numbers cannot be trusted since they came from media reports.

Can you pick apart their numbers for us? Show us where they are wrong.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:46 PM  

JackieRabbit: All kids love dogs, but not all dogs love kids, so kids have to be taught to be careful.


Yes.

Also, they need to be taught not to wear sexy clothing to the bar and go out at night alone.
 
2014-07-21 01:57:53 PM  
As someone currently getting cuddled to death by a vicious man eating pit bill, I'm getting a kick out of this thread
 
2014-07-21 01:58:09 PM  

Chummer45: Jaden Smith First of His Name: Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.


Seriously.  This reminds me so much of the Second Amendment stuff.

The argument is as follows:

[guns/pit bulls] aren't inherently bad
It's irresponsible owners of [guns/pit bulls] that are the problem
So quit talking about how [guns/pit bulls] are dangerous because, even though they do kill a hell of a lot of people, it's really their irresponsible owner's fault at the end of the day.
Sorry about your dead loved one - my "right" to own unregulated [pit bulls / gun] ownership trumps public safety.


The difference of being that a 90lb dog can break out of a back yard and roam the streets of it's accord. A gun can't.

But you keep farking that chicken.
 
2014-07-21 01:58:34 PM  

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were to attack somebody that wasn't breaking into my house, I will still say it's the owner's (my) fault it happened.


I've seen three pits "hulk out" I don't believe any of them were being trained or beaten to be made aggressive. They are unbelievably strong even for an animal, and they can and will kill anything they can when they go off the rails. I hoped your puppy is monitored and kept secure, for everyone's else's safety. I know how strong they can be from firsthand experience as a child I made it over a fence, barely. And what did I do to provoke the dog? I road by the house on the street, it drug me into it's yard. I know pit bull owners believe a lot of BS about how it's all bad owners but don't fool yourself. Pits can go off for reasons people don't understand and when they do they are killers.
 
2014-07-21 01:58:57 PM  

chewd: towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next

oooh ooh... i nominate chows!


Akitas.
 
2014-07-21 01:59:02 PM  

JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.


If that is all you have to add then how about you find out for yourself instead of being a lazy armchair.
 
2014-07-21 01:59:36 PM  
Go to the animal shelter sites for mid sized dangerous cities (Flint, New Haven, Rockford). So many pit/mixes.
 
2014-07-21 02:00:34 PM  

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


But... what if a dingo ate my babby?
 
2014-07-21 02:00:51 PM  

JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?


Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.
 
2014-07-21 02:01:15 PM  

towatchoverme: At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.


But Pit Bulls don't even exist!  How can they then tear out someone's throat?
 
2014-07-21 02:01:23 PM  

Empty H: JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.

If that is all you have to add then how about you find out for yourself instead of being a lazy armchair.


Why would I?
 
2014-07-21 02:01:51 PM  

Big Beef Burrito: I hate dog people.


10,000 years of mutually beneficial co-evolution.

Some say it could be as much as 100,000.

Dogs are a large part of why humans are the way we are.
 
2014-07-21 02:02:28 PM  

dualplains: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.


In fairness, when I copied it from google image search I thought that was the chart from the CDC report which can be found in here:

http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

That chart actually comes from this page:

http://alldogsbite.org/2013/07/all-breeds-attack/

Which is clearly biased and doesn't seem to source the chart. I can't find it anywhere else.
 
2014-07-21 02:02:56 PM  
Great job liberal media. These are clearly Glocks and not Pit Bulls. Try harder next time you attempt to sully the good and noble name of the American Terrier.
 
2014-07-21 02:04:17 PM  

JesseL: Empty H: JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.

If that is all you have to add then how about you find out for yourself instead of being a lazy armchair.

Why would I?


Intellectual curiosity? Calorie burning? Finger workout? To keep from picking your nose compulsively?

I mean the reasons really ARE endless.
 
2014-07-21 02:04:50 PM  

kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were ...


You don't have to beat a dog to make it aggressive.  Keeping it chained is good enough to do that. 

My parents were big on chaining dogs.  I've seen Labs go apeshiat after a few years of nothing but an 8 foot radius to explore.

In your childhood story, you don't explain what hte dog's conditions were.  WAS it being beaten? Was it chained, and had nothing to obsess over than people riding by all the time, and because of a complete lack of exercise it went mad and attacked its fixation?

I'm going to guess you don't know, and you don't care.  And a lot of this not caring is leading to a breed being labeled because of bad owners.  I've been chased by dogs, I've been bitten by dogs, I"ve been jumped on and trampled, and in each instance, I can tell you something I did wrong, something the owners did wrong, and nothing that the dog did wrong.  Your CSB doesn't override that.

People need to take some god damned responsibility for themselves and the pets they manage, instead of letting the breed get badmouthed.
 
2014-07-21 02:04:56 PM  
Good job Subby!  Now *that's* how you troll!

s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-07-21 02:05:21 PM  

JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.


I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak, but if this were true then it would be true of all dogs bred for a specific purpose, and if you have ever owned a variety of dog breeds, you would have noticed that this is not true, and instinct is often overrated when it comes to popular breeds because other traits have been more preferred by the people who bred and refined the the breed.

Bench-style Irish setters couldn't flush a bird if you waved three pheasants in front of their nose, nor can most American cocker spaniels, because breeders wanted them to look pretty, with feathery coats and great toplines and didn't care if they could flush or not. Bulldogs, do not go bonkers when faced with a bull because they were bred for appearance, and there wouldn't ever be a friendly Doberman, Rottweilers or Mastiffs, but there are... because people wanted them as companions and helpers and bred selectively for that.

Selective breeding can breed an instinct out, and an instinct in. Socialization can impart how free a dog feels free to indulge those instincts. You start with two people breeding their biggest and baddest bluenoses, and those pups being raised by a clueless owner, you end up with one dog. You breed two mellow dogs with correct temperaments together, and have those pups raised by someone who can train and socialize, you end up with another.
 
2014-07-21 02:05:25 PM  

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Most dog attacks are on kids.
 
2014-07-21 02:06:28 PM  
What type of dog is Astro or Scoobie Doo?

They seem chill.
 
2014-07-21 02:06:49 PM  

dk47: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Most dog attacks are on kids.


Kids are notoriously bad at understanding when a dog, cat, or even a person is saying "No" or "stop."

The kid is provoking without realizing it.  Adults should be around to ensure the kid learns how to read the dog's language.
 
2014-07-21 02:07:40 PM  
jst3p:

http://alldogsbite.org/2013/07/all-breeds-attack/

Which is clearly biased and doesn't seem to source the chart. I can't find it anywhere else.


Oddly enough, the site appears to be arguing against breed specific dog bans.... I am confused.
 
2014-07-21 02:08:16 PM  

dryknife: What type of dog is Astro or Scoobie Doo?

They seem chill.


Cartoon.

They are tough to breed though.
 
2014-07-21 02:08:58 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.

Maybe you're thinking of Rottweilers? The American Pit Bull Terrier is from the 18th century.


They trace back to the Molossian breed.
 
2014-07-21 02:10:59 PM  
Hey! Look! A data point that backs up my case! Therefore, all your arguments to the contrary are invalid and Petey is president.
 
2014-07-21 02:11:14 PM  

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


How about one incident a month in my town, but most of them don't make the news, because they just involve people getting stapples.
 
2014-07-21 02:12:05 PM  
this is why they need to make it mandatory to keep umbilical cords attached until at least the age of 7 or until a competency hearing has been conducted and passed.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:12 PM  

dk47: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Most dog attacks are on kids.


Agreed.  Kids most often don't understand body language well enough to see if they are posing a threat nor able to see if the animal they are interested in appears threatened.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:15 PM  

farkin_Gary: I once tried to bring a Strattfordshire Terrier (Pit Bull) into my home and assimilate it into the group of dogs I had at home. Although the new dog had no history or experience with fighting other dogs, shortly after bringing it into the group, it began to place its head over the necks of the other dogs. This was a sure sign that the new dog was preparing to assert its dominance.

Sadly, I had to take that beauty back to the shelter, because I wasn't prepared to "fight it out" with her.


So, you have more than one dog but you don't understand how to correct them when they try to assert dominance over each other?  In other words, you are a terrible dog owner.

I May Be Crazy But...: JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.

Maybe you're thinking of Rottweilers? The American Pit Bull Terrier is from the 18th century.


Mastiffs.  The Romans used a breed called the Molossus which is extinct but led to Great Pyrenees, Great Danes, Rottweiler, St. Bernard, Cane Corso, etc.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:19 PM  

towatchoverme: At this point, i think the burden of proof is on the Pit Bull Apologists to provide stats that say Pit Bulls are as gentle as they say they are.

There are plenty of stats that say otherwise.

You can't keep screaming "show me data, show me data" and then complain that it doesn't jive with your subjective opinion without backing up that opinion with, you know, numbery things.

It's not a Global Warming thread, people.


I agree. We need more useless chart and graphical stuff.
 
2014-07-21 02:13:45 PM  
It seems like dogs bred for fighting could be more dangerous than dogs bred for hunting or companionship.
 
2014-07-21 02:15:14 PM  

moothemagiccow: JackieRabbit: when did people forget how to teach their kids about dogs?

Your dog is your responsibility, not someone who doesn't know or care about dogs or their kids.


Can't it be both?

People teach their kids to look both ways crossing the street so they don't get hit by cars and we teach drivers to watch for people, especially children, that might dart out into the street so they don't hit a kid.

In fact it should be both.  Teach your kids to ask permission before petting a dog and to not approach unfamiliar dogs, especially if there is not an owner around.

One of my cousins was tore up a bit when she was younger by her mutt beagle/lab/poodle mix, but in the dog's defense, she had been hitting it with stick while it was on a chain in their yard, despite the girl having being told before to not do that multiple times in the past.  The dog still got put down.

Some people just shouldn't own dogs.
 
2014-07-21 02:15:20 PM  

LarryDan43: Go to the animal shelter sites for mid sized dangerous cities (Flint, New Haven, Rockford). So many pit/mixes.


Or go on Craigslist to see all of those "Lab Mixes"
 
2014-07-21 02:15:41 PM  

rbuzby: It seems like dogs bred for fighting could be more dangerous than dogs bred for hunting or companionship.


Man, I am learning so much about my pit bull today! Thanks Fark!
 
2014-07-21 02:16:49 PM  

kindms: theknuckler_33: Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.

The same thought came in to my head as soon as I read the article. What other reason are you leaving the young impressionable one alone in a room. And maybe they concocted the story of them being crated AFTER the kid was found mauled.


Maybe they just wanted to do away with the little brat, and they knew leaving him locked in a hot car would look suspicious.

Stick him in with Uncle Jed's crazy dogs, and let him cover himself in ice cream to sweeten the deal. The dogs take all the heat, an the humans get off scot-free. The only way this would have looked more suspicious is if they'd given the kid some raw meat to play with instead of ice cream.
 
2014-07-21 02:17:02 PM  
I too would like to give props for the awesome trolly headline.
 
2014-07-21 02:17:48 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Pit bull enthusiasts are like those women that date prisoners.


^^^^^
 
2014-07-21 02:18:11 PM  

dryknife: What type of dog is Astro or Scoobie Doo?

They seem chill.


Scooby Doo is a Great Dane.  They are bred to be pussies.  Seriously, those dogs jump at their own shadow.  Which is a good thing when they're that large.

I keep hearing that it's the owner's fault when a dog attacks someone, but I can't keep my Golden Retriever from jumping on people.  He's not trying to hurt them, he just wants attention.  But there is no way to train that dog not to jump up.  I'm just glad he's never met a four-year-old.
 
2014-07-21 02:19:27 PM  
As a dog owner or 3 small terriers, I always remind myself that they, and every other dog are descended from wolves. The "wild" behavior is deep seated in the DNA. When mine are outside barking, at least two of them will engage in howling. It's stupid and hilarious sometimes, but a sober reminder.

Owners are foolish if they believe that their "precious" will never attack, bite, rip, menace another animal or human. The potential, and act, can come out of the blue when you least expect it.
 
2014-07-21 02:20:11 PM  
racist red neck conservatives and gun grabby statists can come together on this issue to outlaw a dog they don't like, so that's nice.
 
2014-07-21 02:20:20 PM  

towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.

Facts:

*"Pit Bull" refers to a class of dogs that includes the American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, American bulldog and any other pure bred or mixed breed dog that is a combination of these dogs.
* Despite making up about 6% of all dog breeds in the us, they're responsible for the majority of fatalities.
* Of these, most are children under the age of 7 (2013 stats)
* In 2013, over one-third, 38%, of all dog bite fatality victims were either visiting or living temporarily with the dog's owner when the fatal attack occurred.

Etc etc.


That's completely uncalled for, towatchoverme. You know those studies are flawed. They don't take in account houses that have... uh... more than two television sets... and...other things of that nature.
 
2014-07-21 02:20:25 PM  

gunther_bumpass: seapig: But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.

As someone else pointed out earlier, in the 70's the tough guy breed was the doberman (damn you Higgins), then the rottweiler, etc. You never hear of doberman attacks now (until some aspie googles it and returns here triumphant in their pedantry, of course), you don't have people flipping out about half-breed dobermans.. People are just crazy. Dogs are a lot of work - many people that have them shouldn't have them. But what are you going to do? Some dips hit irresponsible thug is going to go out and get himself the dips hit irresponsible thug dog du jour. If Pitt Bulls (and the panoply of mutts so classified) are outlawed, they'll turn to another type of dog and make that the fashionable irresponsible dipshiat thug dog.

Meanwhile everyone remembers the one time a vicious pitt looked at them funny and joins the pee-pants banning brigade.

CSB: I met a couple of Michael Vick's former dogs at a rescue event a few years ago, and still have my face and most of my fingers.


I did not know that about the Dobermans...makes sense though. Rottweilers are still a favorite "tough guy" breed though Pits are absolutely more popular and prominent now. Our Am Staff was the sweetest dog we ever had; he slept in my bed with me when I was about 10 and let me drape my leg over him and was an amazing cuddler. When I got my little kitten, Axle (the dog) was overwhelmed with affection for this tiny being and would literally let him sleep on his head when we went to bed. And on more than one occasion, I'd come out to our FL porch and find Axle and the cat laying side by side, panting together. I've never seen a cat do that before...or since. But it was amazing to see this friendship that had formed between this big "aggressive" dog and the tiny little kitten that he loved like it was his own. Axle did have some issues with the Pits that ran free in the neighborhood though. We had a redneck neighbor (had a confederate flag painted on his F150 so you knew he was serious) and he felt that it was ok to just let his two Pits run around despite there being tons of little kids in the neighborhood. One of them jumped our 4 foot fence into our yard and Axle bit the dog's lip off. The owner and my dad had to pull them apart; it was a mess. The jerk tried to start shiat with my parents about it, demanding money, but the other neighbors who had witnessed what happened started yelling that if he tried anything they'd be witnesses on my parents' behalf and were already planning on calling Animal Control when they saw his dogs off leash again.

/And I cried when I saw Michael Vick's dogs...the bodies and injuries. That was atrocious. And I knew a lot of guys around the neighborhood who just didn't understand why there was outrage over what he did. They considered the dogs property and didn't get why anyone would be upset that he was doing what he was doing. Ugh. So stupid...that said, sometimes it can be almost impossible to rehabilitate a dog like that, who's been raised in such a harmful and neglectful situation. Some of them will never be able to regain their trust of human beings and are totally unfitas pets :/
 
2014-07-21 02:21:13 PM  

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.

That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were ...

You don't have to beat a dog to make it aggressive.  Keeping it chained is good enough to do that. 

My parents were big on chaining dogs.  I've seen Labs go apeshiat after a few years of nothing but an 8 foot radius to explore.

In your childhood story, you don't explain what hte dog's conditions were.  WAS it being beaten? Was it chained, and had nothing to obsess over than people riding by all the time, and because of a complete lack of exercise it went mad and attacked its fixation?

I'm going to guess you don't know, and you don't care.  And a lot of this not caring is leading to a breed being labeled because of bad owners.  I've been chased by dogs, I've been bitten by dogs, I"ve been jumped on and trampled, and in each instance, I can tell you something I did wrong, something the owners did wrong, and nothing that the dog did wrong.  Your CSB doesn't override that.

People need to take some god damned responsibility for themselves and the pets they manage, instead of letting the breed get badmouthed.


Pit bulls are awesome if you want a dog that is capable of killing someone. The breed has turned out just how they were intended to, that's not bad mouthing, it's just stating the obvious. Any breed can go berserk, but pits were bred to fight to the death, that combined with their strength makes them unique.
 
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