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2014-07-21 01:38:44 PM  

Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


I own a Chihuahua and I agree.  He's a dick of the highest order.  And I would love it if people would teach their children to ASK BEFORE RUNNING UP TO PET A STRANGE DOG because I would say "do not pet him" every time.  He's almost eleven and due to a huge fatty tumor in his back leg he's in pain a lot of the time, so he's crabby with almost everyone except our immediate family.  And yet when he growls or barks at people. even adults, everyone laughs and says "Ooooo he thinks he's tough" and they bark back or growl back and basically provoke him.

It's super funny until he bites you and then I have to have my dog put down because you're an asshole.
 
2014-07-21 01:38:46 PM  

AntonChigger: Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.

How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds,

but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.

___________________



Which is to say that Pit Bulls are a dangerous breed. That was your point, right?
 
2014-07-21 01:39:00 PM  
I hate dog people.
 
2014-07-21 01:39:25 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.


Facts:

*"Pit Bull" refers to a class of dogs that includes the American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, American bulldog and any other pure bred or mixed breed dog that is a combination of these dogs.
* Despite making up about 6% of all dog breeds in the us, they're responsible for the majority of fatalities.
* Of these, most are children under the age of 7 (2013 stats)
* In 2013, over one-third, 38%, of all dog bite fatality victims were either visiting or living temporarily with the dog's owner when the fatal attack occurred.

Etc etc.
 
2014-07-21 01:39:27 PM  

kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.

/wave

Pitt bull owner.

Just keep it locked up, your puppy is capable of inflicting mortal damage very quickly. My last encounter involved a neighbor getting mauled and me putting a slug in the dogs head. It was a families loving pet, of course.


That's precious.  I've seen dogs put down for attacking people, too.  Packs of roaming strays in Louisiana.  Funnily enough, never saw people yelling "pitt bull!" when grabbing their guns.  I was young, but I saw labs, rotties, even little terrier things, but I don't remember the square heads.

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.

I'm sorry you were forced to shoot a dog to save somebody's life, but frankly, yes, that could just as easily be because of any other large breed dog attacking.

My pitt bull isn't going to hurt anybody because I have her under control, I teach her how to interact with people, and if I'm not comfortable with her around something, I don't let her be around it until she's trained to be around it.  And if a kid is in your house and your dogs are dangerous enough to require to be crated to keep the child safe, maybe you should keep an eye on the kid, or put actual locks on the dog's kennel?

It is cliche, but it is the owner's fault for not controlling the situation.  And IF my dog were to attack somebody that wasn't breaking into my house, I will still say it's the owner's (my) fault it happened.
 
2014-07-21 01:39:47 PM  
They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc
 
2014-07-21 01:39:56 PM  
I was walking through the park yesterday with my wife and daughter and my wife's "Chick" dogs, and encountered a lady with her pit bull.  The dog was trained to lay down when other dogs passing.  We have encountered it before with the husband, who seems to be able to control it.  Yesterday the wife was walking it.  It laid down, no problem, we started to walk past, it jumped up, and basically dragged the owner over to my dogs, that my daughter was holding.  Thank god it just growled a bit and she finally got some control of it.  I can tell you the next time I see it, I will be turning my family around and going the other way.  Better safe than sorry.
 
2014-07-21 01:40:02 PM  

Dragonflew: If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


Sure, they bite, but there's a difference between "bite" and "maul".
 
2014-07-21 01:40:10 PM  

LordJiro: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Because they've been bred to be strong, and cowards train them to fight, or 'guard', or otherwise be over-aggressive.

Why don't we ban steak knives? I mean, they're far deadlier than butter knives, right?


I am in favor of a ban of all sentient steak knives.

/stupid analogy is stupid
 
2014-07-21 01:40:43 PM  

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]


A sheepdog made the list? Really?
 
2014-07-21 01:41:09 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.


The oft quoted CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

"
Procedure
We collected data from
The Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS)
and media accounts related to
dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from pre-
vious studies.
1-3
The HSUS maintains a registry of human
DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,
city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs
involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To
supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database
6
was
searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in
1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning
the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words
and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF

followed by a review of articles containing those terms.
Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were
merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and
avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from
1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and
was added to the existing data for 1996.
 "
 
2014-07-21 01:41:16 PM  

JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

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Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.


Then it should be trivial for you to counter with a study that uses valid statistical methods and comes to a different conclusion.

I'll wait.
 
2014-07-21 01:41:23 PM  
Pet owners should be held legally responsible for the damage their animal does.
 
2014-07-21 01:41:48 PM  

LarryDan43: JDAT: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

This breed has been bred for fighting since the Roman Empire was in their heyday.  This breed was picked for both it's strength to size ratio as well as its disposition to fight.  Over centuries this training works its way into instinct.

All animals have instinct that affect their behavior despite training and environment.

And when the pack leader is not present they will fall back onto their instinct. If we require certain breeds to have 24/7 presence of their law abiding owner, this problem goes away.



It may, but good luck enforcing it.

I prefer a breed that falls back on digging through the trash, sleeping on the couch,  or drinking out of the toilet.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:02 PM  

jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]


I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:34 PM  
 Sounds like the little kid let them out to play.  And the dogs idea of play and the kids were not the same.  Children can be so stupid, which is why they should be supervised around animals.       I have a relative whose child tried to open a gate to get into a pasture full of cows with calves.  I had to tell kid  three times to stop and then finally I yelled at her  in frustration.   Her mom got mad at me for yelling at her and hurting her little fewlings.    Well excuse me for saving your stupid dumbass five year old who never listens to anyone including you, from getting trampled to death by angry momma cows.  Next time I'll let her go pet them like she wanted and we'll see how that goes.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:34 PM  

kindms: They left a 4 year old unattended. This could have easily been.

Uncle locked gate to pool, boy found floating. Uncle locked up firearm boy shoots himself or friend etc etc

So if the story is to be taken truthfully, 4 year old lets dogs out of cage and pays the price because they left a 4 year old alone with access to "insert deadly item, animal, food" etc


^This.
 
2014-07-21 01:42:37 PM  
I smell some bullshiat in this story. Someone's trying to CTA.

And farking crates? Really?
 
2014-07-21 01:43:41 PM  

2KanZam: Ambitwistor: But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.


Some of the meanest most vicious dogs I have ever met were chihuahuas and daschhunds, no joke.

However as a dog lover (not owner at moment-just lost one to cancer) I will never own a pit bull or a chow because I know better.  Heck one of my last dog's best friend was a pit and it was a great dog, But I still would never trust the thing to not tear a kid's neck open.  That's just how they are.


sorry about your pet.
 
2014-07-21 01:44:16 PM  

gunther_bumpass: seapig: How sad...poor little boy :'(

It's because of the perceived aggressiveness of the "breed" that so many bad/stupid owners seek out Pits in particular. I live in a somewhat "ghetto" area and the only dogs that exist around here are Pits and Pit mixes. A lot of people get it in theit head that they're gonna make money breeding their blue nose Pit without even knowing that most births require a c section to save the biatch.

The folks next door NEVER bring their dog inside; she sits outside barking all day and night, never getting the attention or affection she deserves. And (like many others) they say the reason they do it is because they don't want her to be nice, they just want a guard dog. Well...if the dog doesn't care about you, it's not gonna feel very inclined to protect you should something actually happen. And more often than not, you can easily appease one of those neglected dogs by simply tossing them a treat.

They have no clue what the hell they're doing so yeah, I really am inclined to believe that it has a hell of a lot more to do with the owner than it does the "breed" itself. The folks across from us have a Pit named Pete who is the sweetest thing in the world. I always tease and say he's a little lap dog stuck in a big dog body cuz he's just that affectionate. And he's wonderful with my little Corgi mix and 4 year old niece, because his owners love him and trained him well.

/I say "breed" cuz Pit Bull isn't a specific breed; people could mean any one of a number of different breeds when referring to a Pit Bull. My parents had an American Staffordshire Terrier and he was amazing. People call them Pit Bulls even though they aren't. Isn't Pit Bull Terrier the actual breed name?


Oh man.. that made way too much sense. Prepare yourself for a sea of pants-wetting replies from the brainially binary.


Haha. I'm not pretending that certain breeds aren't inclined toward certain behaviors because they definitely are. Chows are aggressive and bite-y too. But if they are raised and trained property it's very easy to overcome. My little Corgi was nuts for ankle biting cuz his breed is known for herding. Now that he's an adult and we've taken the time to train him, he doesn't do it. The responsible pit owners I've known have had wonderful and sweet dogs who wouldn't attack unless they felt incredibly threatened, just like any other animal.

But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.
 
2014-07-21 01:44:24 PM  

Ambitwistor: But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.


Doxies can be treacherous little farkers
 
2014-07-21 01:44:35 PM  

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.

The oft quoted CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

"
Procedure
We collected data from
The Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS)
and media accounts related to
dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from pre-
vious studies.
1-3
The HSUS maintains a registry of human
DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,
city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs
involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To
supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database
6
was
searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in
1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning
the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words
and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF
followed by a review of articles containing those terms.
Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were
merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and
avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from
1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and
was added to the existing data for 1996.
 "


This study represents "all statistics" as you stated? And why are you glossing over that they list the Humane Society as a source as well? That kind of ruins your argument.
 
2014-07-21 01:44:52 PM  

Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.


Absolutely. And if domestic cats were the size of tigers they would be problematic pets too. But they're not, so instead of dead kids you just get a few scratches.
 
2014-07-21 01:45:48 PM  

walkerhound: I_AM_SRC: Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.

From excessive licking, of course.


eh. I hate to admit it but I was walking my pug a few weeks back and was approached by a grand father and his tiny grand son. He asked if it was ok to pet my pug. I said sure. I had him on short leash but the pug jumped up being affectionate and scratched the little boy. I FREAKED. I couldn't say sorry more. He was like no big deal but I couldn't help thinking that it could have been worse and he has never done anything like that before

So I don't think Ill be giving the ok to little kids any more. The liability isn't something I want to deal with. I guess as a pug owner I was lulled in to he is just a big stuffed animal thing but I learned my lesson.
 
2014-07-21 01:45:55 PM  
When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.
 
rka
2014-07-21 01:46:00 PM  

kortex: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

That's what people like you will never understand. Pit bulls can't be controlled. You can raise them with love and kindness, but some day they *could* turn on you, your child or your other pet. They were originally bred that way. It's in their nature. If you own one, you're an idiot.


They were raised to fight or other animals for sport. Eventually someone had to wade into the ring and pry the dogs apart. They literally had to go in with a tool or pry bar to get the dogs to unlock their teeth from the other dogs throat.

It would be pretty farking stupid to breed the dog to attack humans when you had to send someone in to get your prized fighting dog after every bout. Dogs that attacked their handlers were swiftly put down.
 
2014-07-21 01:46:17 PM  
The argument from Pit Bull apologists is "scumbags and bad people own them because they're 'tough' dogs and that's why they're trained poorly and kill people."  Whereas the "nice" pits are raised by good owners with white picket fences in suburbs where people have oatmeal or yogurt for breakfast and everyone is named "Charles" or "Chad."

Haven't seen any socioeconomic data that backs that up. Seems like anecdotal evidence to me, and the doggie equivalent of "only bad guys can't be trusted with guns."
 
2014-07-21 01:46:22 PM  
It's crazy that a breed that was specifically bred for being awesome at fighting to the death is dangerous.
 
GBB
2014-07-21 01:46:30 PM  
Owning a pitbull is like playing baseball with a hand grenade.  Sure, it might not go off every time you play with it, but it will go off eventually.   And, until it does, it's the safest thing ever.
 
2014-07-21 01:46:58 PM  

jst3p: JesseL: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

Assuming that any kind of valid statistical methods were used to compile that data - which is a completely invalid assumption.

Then it should be trivial for you to counter with a study that uses valid statistical methods and comes to a different conclusion.

I'll wait.


It would be interesting to see one based solely on attacks by dogs that are AKC registered so there can be no doubt about the breed identification. 

Unfortunately, there is no such study.

You're not going to claim that the lack of a valid study adds legitimacy to invalid studies though, are you?
 
2014-07-21 01:47:23 PM  

JesseL: HotWingConspiracy: JesseL: Unless a dog is quite obviously something else (Doberman, Chihuahua), the media and police reports are always going to call it a Pit Bull. They're rarely experts in canine breed identification.

And all the statistics on dog bites are compiled from... media reports.

Really? Because where I live anyone that reports a dog bite has to fill out paperwork for the county. I think you're making this up.

The oft quoted CDC report: http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

"
Procedure
We collected data from
The Humane Society of the
United States (HSUS)
and media accounts related to
dog bite attacks and fatalities, using methods from pre-
vious studies.
1-3
The HSUS maintains a registry of human
DBRF, including date of death, age and sex of decedent,
city and state of attack, number and breeds of dogs
involved, and circumstances relating to the attack. To
supplement HSUS reports, as in the past, a database
6
was
searched for accounts of human DBRF that occurred in
1997 and 1998. Our search strategy involved scanning
the text of newspapers and periodicals for certain words
and word combinations likely to represent human DBRF
followed by a review of articles containing those terms.
Data obtained from HSUS and news accounts were
merged to maximize detection of human DBRF and
avoid duplicate reports. One new human DBRF from
1996 was identified in the 1997 and 1998 reports and
was added to the existing data for 1996.
 "


Myth #4: Fatal attack statistics about pit bulls are false

Pro-pit bull groups argue that the 20-year fatal dog attack study (from 1979 to 1998) issued by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in September 2000 is inaccurate because the study relied "in part" on newspaper articles. Pit bull advocates say that pit bull fatalities are more extensively reported by the media, therefore the authors of the study (most holding PhD credentials) must have "miscounted" or "double counted" the number of pit bull fatalities.10
As stated in the CDC report, the authors collected data from media accounts as well as the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) registry of fatal attacks. Also, all five authors, Jeffrey Sacks, Leslie Sinclair, Julie Gilchrist, Gail Golab and Randall Lockwood, openly oppose breed-specific laws. This bias is clearly reflected in the CDC report as well.11 If discrepancies were made in the report, it seems more likely that fatal pit bull attacks were underreported not over reported.

http://www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-myths.php
 
2014-07-21 01:47:30 PM  

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Feel free to kill yourself and start solving the problem.
 
2014-07-21 01:47:37 PM  

blindio: When it comes to the breed vs. owner debate, I can't help but think of a special little hispanic girl we all know who offers the timeless suggestion of "Por que no los dos"

Maybe it's the breed that was selectively cultivated over centuries to produce a powerful animal prone to vicious behavior.

Perhaps it's the owners, as such a breed has a tendency to gravitate to people who make a lot of other poor life choices.

Either way, if you take an animal bread to be a dangerous and efficient fighter and pair it with someone who thinks it's funny to have it attack a tire swing you might end up with an animal and owner combination that is not only likely to end badly, it's inevitable.


Tells us more Jimmy The Greek

;)
 
2014-07-21 01:48:21 PM  

Target Builder: Dragonflew: scottydoesntknow: //Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions

If chihuahuas were the size and strength of pit bulls, chihuahua maulings would probably eclipse any other breed. Farking little assholes.

Absolutely. And if domestic cats were the size of tigers they would be problematic pets too. But they're not, so instead of dead kids you just get a few scratches.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1379196/Sleeping-cat-suffocat es -baby.html

BAN THEM!

/I have 4 cats.
 
2014-07-21 01:48:47 PM  

vicioushobbit: kapaso: vicioushobbit: kapaso: kdawg7736:

And when I look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_States  , you will see that yes, recently the number of pitt attacks has increased drastically over time.

But is that because people now report "pitt bull" when an animal attacks, because there are suddenly MORE pitt bulls than ever before, or because they are suddenly now attacking at a much larger percentage of the time?

I'm gonna go with #1, because people are farking stupid.


i55.tinypic.com
 
2014-07-21 01:49:03 PM  

I_AM_SRC: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

Agreed. It's the dog's owner and the kid's mom fault for leaving this child unattended with these kid rippers. Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.


This.  I know a lot of really great pit bulls, but clearly the uncle knew that his dogs needed to be crated around visitors, and it looks like no one thought to warn the 4 year old not to let them out, or at least watch to make sure he didn't.

With granma's teacup dog, it'd be some scars to the face (and granma insisting he's never done something like that before, except that one time...and the time before that....), but they're not teacup dogs so the consequences are more dire.
 
2014-07-21 01:49:08 PM  

Dragonflew: Tricky Chicken: It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

I knew someone who killed her border collie puppy because of this behaviour. It didn't even nip at their child, it nipped at someone jogging by. She did not even consider giving her away, she immediately had her killed. Or in her words (which infuriated me even more), "helped her to sleep".

This woman is a sociopathic slimeball monster who later abandoned her own child.

Some people should just not own dogs.


Border collies are infuriatingly smart.  You really have to know what you are doing to train them.  They can learn to do different things from the same command based upon inflection.

Slippers! - dog gets slippers
Slippers? - dog lies down

If I trained the dog to heel with the command heel, but accidentally had my left hand on my hip each time I did it, the dog might not know what I was talking about if I said 'heel' without my hand on hip.  Or, It might decide that hand on hip means heel too.

They are often trained to react to whistle commands to herd sheep from a distance.  I cannot whistle the same tone twice if I had to.

The woman you knew should never have been allowed to have children.
 
2014-07-21 01:50:45 PM  

pinchpoint: pat34us: Opposite, I have yet to meet a bad pit bull owner or dangerous pitt.

Come walk around my neighborhood in NE Philly and you'll meet plenty of both. Tough guys like to parade around with their Pits so they can feel tough.


Ugh. So much this! They have no idea what they're doing and it's those assholes that wind up raising these aggressive dogs cuz that's exactly what they want people to think; about them and about their dog. I always feel bad when I see one of those morons walking around with their little puppies knowing that they'll be taking them home to be locked in a crate most hours of the day or left on the back "porch" which is really just a 5x7' concrete slab. Big dogs need room; they don't deserve that.

/It's not much different here on the other side of the state...
//Right by Larimer in Pittsburgh :(
 
2014-07-21 01:50:48 PM  
Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.
 
2014-07-21 01:51:35 PM  
Pit bull lovers immediately call for precious snowflakes to be put in crates in order to avoid terrorizing pit bulls that were not trained at all.
 
2014-07-21 01:51:50 PM  
dualplains: I'd be curious to know where that chart comes from as the AKC doesn't recognize 'Pit Bull' as a breed.

You mean the organization that has been re-naming the breed since 1936? That organization?

There are legal definitions. See above.
 
2014-07-21 01:51:54 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: This study represents "all statistics" as you stated? And why are you glossing over that they list the Humane Society as a source as well? That kind of ruins your argument.


I gloss over the HSUS because they're complete whack jobs with zero credibility on anything except raising money for themselves.
 
2014-07-21 01:52:04 PM  

GBB: Owning a pitbull is like playing baseball with a hand grenade.  Sure, it might not go off every time you play with it, but it will go off eventually.   And, until it does, it's the safest thing ever.


http://www.theledger.com/article/20100219/NEWS/100219709

Filling up a Grenade with black powder and having it go off? yep it has happened.
 
2014-07-21 01:52:57 PM  

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Csb

When I was a kid, my step dad (who was a real piece of work) bought us a huge pit bull as a pet. It was all white except for a brown spot over its eye, so we called it Pete after the little rascals dog.

Anyway, it was a complete land shark. We used to have stray cats that walked the back fence, but Pete would charge the fence, jump and slam into it hard enough to knock the cat off, and into our yard. You could always tell when Pete had eaten a cat, because she would poop fur for the next few days.
/end csb
 
2014-07-21 01:53:07 PM  

seapig: But as I said, I feel like assholes tend to seek Pits out because of their aggressiveness and it sucks that the folks who do raise theit dogs right have their sweet dogs misaligned and grouped into that "vicious" stereotype because of all the morons out there who aren't raising their dogs correctly. And the people that do that probably wouldn't even be able to raise a lab or a bulldog right either cuz their m.o. is usually just neglect and whatever else they can do to instill aggressive behavior in their animal.


As someone else pointed out earlier, in the 70's the tough guy breed was the doberman (damn you Higgins), then the rottweiler, etc. You never hear of doberman attacks now (until some aspie googles it and returns here triumphant in their pedantry, of course), you don't have people flipping out about half-breed dobermans.. People are just crazy. Dogs are a lot of work - many people that have them shouldn't have them. But what are you going to do? Some dips hit irresponsible thug is going to go out and get himself the dips hit irresponsible thug dog du jour. If Pitt Bulls (and the panoply of mutts so classified) are outlawed, they'll turn to another type of dog and make that the fashionable irresponsible dipshiat thug dog.

Meanwhile everyone remembers the one time a vicious pitt looked at them funny and joins the pee-pants banning brigade.

CSB: I met a couple of Michael Vick's former dogs at a rescue event a few years ago, and still have my face and most of my fingers.
 
2014-07-21 01:53:49 PM  

KellyKellyKelly: jst3p: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

The problem is that this breed, when owned by bad owners, disproportionately kills people.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 544x530]

A sheepdog made the list? Really?


Many breeds of sheepdog were bred to protect the flock from predators.
 
2014-07-21 01:54:27 PM  
Last night a regular at the liquor store I part time at shows up. The owner and I were outside smoking and we talk for a minute, then he steps in. As soon as he steps in I see the owner DIVE at his Lhasa Apso that was outside with us and completely cover the dog. For a split second I thought he was falling over and was about to reach out and grab him, but he leaped forward at the last second, effectively covering his Lhasa completely in a turtle shell of his own body. That's when I saw the Pit Bull.

The pit had jumped out of the customers car and charged at the Lhasa, the owner, seeing it at the last second, reacted by trying to save his own dog... from a vicious sniffing and licking. The Pit Bull was trained rather well, but still a puppy, and only jumped out to come say howdy. He even licked the owners face while he was covering his own dog.

The customer immediately ran back outside and apologized, told the dog to get back in the car and it did. I asked if I could pet him and he said: "Sure, he's a total sweetheart." And he was right. That Pit was friendly, happy and well adjusted. We all know he wouldn't have hurt the Lhasa after the fact, and I even told the customer: "It's the preconception and onus Pit Bulls have. No offense, your dog is very, very nice, but they just come with the reputation of attacking other dogs." He understood and was cool about it, the owner was super cool about it, too. His gut reaction was his dog was about to get taken down in one chomp and he reacted.

There need to be more Pit Bulls like Reggie, he was awesome.
 
2014-07-21 01:54:30 PM  

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Is it ok if we start with you?
 
2014-07-21 01:54:40 PM  
I once tried to bring a Strattfordshire Terrier (Pit Bull) into my home and assimilate it into the group of dogs I had at home. Although the new dog had no history or experience with fighting other dogs, shortly after bringing it into the group, it began to place its head over the necks of the other dogs. This was a sure sign that the new dog was preparing to assert its dominance.

Sadly, I had to take that beauty back to the shelter, because I wasn't prepared to "fight it out" with her.
 
2014-07-21 01:54:48 PM  

theknuckler_33: Logan was left alone, eating ice cream, while his mother, a teenage cousin and the other adults were talking in another room.

And by 'talking' they mean 'getting high'.


The same thought came in to my head as soon as I read the article. What other reason are you leaving the young impressionable one alone in a room. And maybe they concocted the story of them being crated AFTER the kid was found mauled.
 
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