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(CBS Miami)   Four-year-old boy loved to death by two Dogs of Peace™   (miami.cbslocal.com) divider line 397
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2014-07-21 09:30:49 AM  
Impossible. There was a thread about one of these darlings licking someone awake not too long ago!
 
2014-07-21 09:52:48 AM  
csb:  After a young boy in the area was mauled to death by dogs, my uncle was the SPCA officer sent to collect and put down the dogs.  He made the news.... the Weekly World News.  Astonishingly, the story (which was short) was actually 100% true.  No aliens or batboy or anything.
 
2014-07-21 10:30:05 AM  
Soooo who let the dogs out (woof, woof, woof, woof)?

Seriously though, the story jumps from "Billy Frederick Sr., Logan's uncle, put the dogs in crates just before the boy arrived" to "The adults heard screaming and discovered that the boy was not in the house, Carter said" and then "Frederick immediately put the dogs in crates again"
 
2014-07-21 12:51:00 PM  
I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.
 
2014-07-21 01:05:23 PM  
Pit bull enthusiasts are like those women that date prisoners.
 
2014-07-21 01:06:00 PM  

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Except for the ones that maul em on site.
 
2014-07-21 01:06:00 PM  

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Let's play Pit Bull Bingo.

Who has "bad owner not bad dogs" in the centre square?
 
2014-07-21 01:06:02 PM  
You mean there are Muslim dogs? I had no idea.
 
2014-07-21 01:06:51 PM  
*Them
*Sight
 
2014-07-21 01:07:44 PM  
To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless
 
2014-07-21 01:07:52 PM  
Show me a bad dog, and I'll show you an idiot owner.
 
2014-07-21 01:08:28 PM  
if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs
 
2014-07-21 01:08:37 PM  
Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.
 
2014-07-21 01:09:44 PM  

towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next


oooh ooh... i nominate chows!
 
2014-07-21 01:10:16 PM  

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs


Texas is doing their best.
 
2014-07-21 01:10:18 PM  
"Ah now, Logan, you just stop all that cryin' an actin' lik a l'il pussy. They jus wanna play widja a bit!"
 
2014-07-21 01:11:02 PM  

evilmousse: if we're going to be species-ist, i know of a mammal that walks upright and inflicts uncomparably more suffering on others, let's get all them caged up and euthanized before moving on to the dogs




Okay, you round up all the bears. I'll wait here with this beer.
 
2014-07-21 01:11:17 PM  

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.
 
2014-07-21 01:12:08 PM  

chewd: towatchoverme: * If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next

oooh ooh... i nominate chows!


Ovcharkas.
 
2014-07-21 01:12:18 PM  

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


Da fuq?

You are amazingly incorrect, sir.
 
2014-07-21 01:12:47 PM  

Yogimus: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Except for the ones that maul em on site.


And the ones that take them somewhere else to maul them.
 
2014-07-21 01:13:12 PM  

towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


You forgot the hopelessly deluded attempt to humanize these four-legged monsters by calling them "pibbles".
 
2014-07-21 01:13:22 PM  

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.
 
2014-07-21 01:13:54 PM  

Carousel Beast: Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.

Da fuq?

You are amazingly incorrect, sir.


Coyotes and wolves are trained by secret forest ninjas.

Dingos are trained by aborigines.

Its true.
 
2014-07-21 01:13:57 PM  

towatchoverme: * Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless


At the same time?!

That's unpossible.
 
2014-07-21 01:14:26 PM  

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Yes but it is well-known that different breeds are inclined towards different personality traits.  You can look up any breed and find out all about what their behavior is like.  

Knowing this, is it unreasonable to assume that some breeds are more inclined to be much more aggressive?
 
2014-07-21 01:14:43 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.




"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.
 
2014-07-21 01:15:03 PM  
I guess I can google this, but is there a list of all the people killed by dogs and which breed of dog they were? So, we can settle this once and for all?
 
2014-07-21 01:15:09 PM  
We don't let retarded people fly fighter jets for the same reason we shouldn't let idiots own pit bulls.

They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.
 
2014-07-21 01:15:30 PM  
Show me a pattern of maulings by Labradors and maybe then I'll try not to reflexively move to the other side of the jogging trail when I pass pit bulls.
 
2014-07-21 01:16:36 PM  

towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.


I guess my question was a little late.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:00 PM  
You'll see a Fark Independent TM admit Climate Change may be man-made before convincing Pit Bull apologists the breed may be a tad kill-y.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:25 PM  
But daschunds bite more, therefore pit bulls aren't dangerous!  Blame the owner, not the breed!

Or so I have been assured on Facebook.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:36 PM  

kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.


Good point. I've know exactly one who wasn't a scumbag and his pit bull was a gentle as a kitten. But he was careful to buy one from a reputable breeder, who did not breed dogs for fighting and carefully vetted potential buyers.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:37 PM  

gunther_bumpass: towatchoverme: To save time, here's Pit Bull Fark Bingo:

* This is my pet Land Shark, Cuddles, who gives me kisses every morning and makes me scrambled eggs just the way i like them
* Punish the deed, not the breed -- which is gentle and kind and sweet as gummi bears dipped in whipped cream
* But here's a pitbull identity chart -- so there's no such breed
* Other dogs kill people, too. Like that Pomeranian and the baby the one time
* Anyway ... bad owner, not bad dog
* And if the breed exists -- and i'm not saying it does -- breed specific legislation doesn't work
* Again, a picture of Cuddles, whom i rescued from an animal shelter and who just loves children and kittens and plays the cello
* If cats were bigger they'd be illegal ... so, there ...
* If you ban one breed the next worst breed will be next until no dogs will exist anywhere, ever, you monsters
* CSB - one time Cuddles ate my neighbour's cat and we laughed and laughed and laughed
* Here's Cuddles doing trigonometry and serving soup to the homeless

Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


I've had three very bad instances with pits in just my experience. It's more than a few a year unless my experiences are an extreme anomaly which I doubt.
 
2014-07-21 01:18:53 PM  
As long as the owner is around the dogs should be fine. Require certain breeds to have the owner/pack leader present at all times.
 
2014-07-21 01:19:13 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.


When looking at the total population of dogs, yes the percentage of them that attack/kill a person is pretty low. But when a majority of those attacks come from a single breed, it does start to represent that breed.

/Doesn't mind pit bulls
//Thinks chihuahuas are much bigger assholes, they just can't reach your throat on most occasions
 
2014-07-21 01:19:34 PM  
It is all bred into the breeds.  If you have a border collie (extremely smart and trainable dogs) and you also have very small children, you are quite likely to wind up with a bitten child if you aren't careful.  The border collie tries to herd the children instinctively.  Children are dumb snd don't know that the doggie is trying to keep them in a safe area.  First the dog barks and the kid runs the wrong way.  Then the dog nips at the lower legs like it would a sheep.  Now you have a bad doggie for just doing what it was bred to do. But the kid just gets nipped in the leg.

Pit bulls are bred to kill other dogs.  They are selected from source stocks speciffically for this purpose.  They must attack quickly before the other doggie gets the upper hand.  Now when a kid about the same size as a bigger doggie moves in a way the doggie doesn't expect, instinct kicks in and now you have a bad doggie doing what it was bred to do.  But this time the kid's neck is ripped out.
 
2014-07-21 01:19:40 PM  

Vodka Zombie: We don't let retarded people fly fighter jets for the same reason we shouldn't let idiots own pit bulls.

They aren't easy dogs to raise unless you know what the hell you're doing.  Seriously.  If you've never owned a dog in your life, and you're thinking of getting a pit bull to keep you company in your tiny apartment, do yourself a favor and get a fish.


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2014-07-21 01:20:36 PM  

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


Agreed. It's the dog's owner and the kid's mom fault for leaving this child unattended with these kid rippers. Although, if these were pugs the end result would have been a trip to the doctor for some stitches so the type of dog does possibly have some factor.
 
2014-07-21 01:20:40 PM  
Pitbulls are a weapon and therefore protected under the Second Amendment.
 
2014-07-21 01:22:30 PM  

Giltric: Coyotes and wolves are trained by secret forest ninjas.

Dingos are trained by aborigines.

Its true.


You do realize how vanishingly rare it is for a person to be attacked by wolves, coyotes, or dingos; don't you?
 
2014-07-21 01:22:52 PM  

Grumpy Cat: towatchoverme: gunther_bumpass: Seriously though.. do you really think that one or two incidents a year represent an entire breed? Even half a dozen? Out of the (very conservatively) hundreds of thousands of examples of that breed that are out there? You might be a fool.

shiat, I don't even have a dog and I know better.

"32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths. Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population."

Yeah, you really schooled me.

I guess my question was a little late.


How many attacks were there overall?  Its an important piece of information because part of the reason pit bulls make up a large portion of the fatalities is due to how strong they are.  It could be that they attack less often than some other breeds, but due to how strong they are when they attack it results in far more serious injury.
 
2014-07-21 01:22:57 PM  
Pit bulls are the main reason I got my CHL.
 
2014-07-21 01:23:07 PM  
Dogs (not even pits) do not attack people for no reason unless they are trained (or not trained).  The relatives should have been arrested for involuntary manslaughter and potential dog fighting.
 
2014-07-21 01:23:40 PM  

Saborlas: I'd like to know more about the animal RAISING these dogs. Dogs tend to have to be trained to attack people without provocation, and most animals put up with a fair amount of provocation from small children due to instinctively knowing that they're little kids.


True, but problems arise when the exceptions to 'tend' and 'most' align with "very powerful dog bred to be  an efficient killer".

kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.


TFA isn't clear on whether the dogs knew the child or not or were used to kids - they may have thought someone was trespassing on their owner's property. Or the kid may have rough housed with the dogs and then one panicked. There are a lot of things that can happen without the owner mistreating the dog.

And you can't exclude the breed entirely - pit bulls were bred to be extremely efficient at killing mammals about the size of a small child. They are incredibly powerful dogs that can cause immense damage very quickly. I'm not saying a Pit is more or less likely to attack a child than, say, a Pomeranian, but that if this were a Pomeranian attack we'd probably be looking at the kid ending up with a few stitches to show off at school the next day.
 
2014-07-21 01:24:05 PM  

gnosis301: Impossible. There was a thread about one of these darlings licking someone awake not too long ago!


Tasting
 
2014-07-21 01:24:11 PM  
Is this the pit bull thread where two opposed sides make retarded arguments because neither one has a simple understanding of how statistics work?
 
2014-07-21 01:24:22 PM  

kapaso: kdawg7736: Did not read the article, but I will say this time and time again.

It is the owner, not the breed.

I completely agree, every pit bull owner I've met has been a scumbag. Probably because non scumbags realize how dangerous pit bulls can be.


/wave

Pitt bull owner.
 
2014-07-21 01:24:28 PM  

GoldSpider: Show me a pattern of maulings by Labradors and maybe then I'll try not to reflexively move to the other side of the jogging trail when I pass pit bulls.


My black lab once viciously attacked me to go outside at 4am by licking my ear and then sneezing on me. Truly Americas greatest threat.


//please show all deaths via Labradors.
 
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