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2014-07-21 02:20:10 AM  
i think NBA should be Outdoor NBA, then players would have to adjust to factors like wind, crowd, and assfault. players like kyrie irwing would be best in this environment because he can adjust to the elementals. ithink best team would be cavs because he knows how to play street ball. played like half man half amazing could then be NBA all stars and revenue would be better because how big is outdoor? can hold millions. NBA will benefit, and so will players and fans. and also you can bring pets to game because it's outdoor.
 
2014-07-21 06:55:31 AM  
I assume they mean an international tournament of some sort? Not the worst idea. But owners aleady hate the olympics enough.
 
2014-07-21 06:56:57 AM  

LewDux: i think NBA should be Outdoor NBA, then players would have to adjust to factors like wind, crowd, and assfault. players like kyrie irwing would be best in this environment because he can adjust to the elementals. ithink best team would be cavs because he knows how to play street ball. played like half man half amazing could then be NBA all stars and revenue would be better because how big is outdoor? can hold millions. NBA will benefit, and so will players and fans. and also you can bring pets to game because it's outdoor.


Whose fault?
 
2014-07-21 07:17:38 AM  
If they cut out say 20 regular season games, I could see something similar to the FA Cup in soccer, where you play tournament games alongside regular season games. I'd be more interested but most fans wouldn't care.
 
2014-07-21 07:47:40 AM  
The NBA season is too long already, along with baseball and hockey. No need to make it even longer.
 
2014-07-21 08:09:38 AM  

abhorrent1: The NBA season is too long already, along with baseball and hockey. No need to make it even longer.


The only easy to make it work would to carve time out of the regular season.
 
2014-07-21 08:18:49 AM  
Since very few people care about the NBA regular season, I don't see this working.
 
2014-07-21 08:22:16 AM  
It'd be a big flop.
 
2014-07-21 08:31:41 AM  

meanmutton: abhorrent1: The NBA season is too long already, along with baseball and hockey. No need to make it even longer.

The only easy to make it work would to carve time out of the regular season.


I think they should. The lockout shortened hokey season was awesome. Every game counts so it's way more exciting.


Tom_Slick: Since very few people care about the NBA regular season, I don't see this working.


Even the players don't care about early season games for the most part. There's nothing worth watching prior to the All star break unless you actually want to go see a game. And then only because tix are easy to get, because no one cares.
 
2014-07-21 08:41:53 AM  
I think this whole conversation is engineered to show Silver is open to discuss anything. The tournament doesn't make any sense and the Union will never go for it.
 
2014-07-21 08:43:50 AM  

abhorrent1: meanmutton: abhorrent1: 
Even the players don't care about early season games for the most part. There's nothing worth watching prior to the All star break unless you actually want to go see a game. And then only because tix are easy to get, because no one cares.


The Pacers and their fans care. THEY CARE!
 
2014-07-21 09:17:56 AM  
I think this is actually a good idea.  Gives the teams that aren't good a chance at something, because anything can happen in one game.  Suppose the tourney was seeded last year, and Philly and Miami came up in the first round - Philly would have won that game.  Would definitely been pretty exciting.
 
2014-07-21 09:29:48 AM  

Lost Thought 00: I assume they mean an international tournament of some sort? Not the worst idea.


So it would be a tournament where the US beats everyone else 132 to 40?
 
2014-07-21 09:31:44 AM  
Hey teams! See this slate of games midseason? That's now "The Tournament". No your schedule doesn't change, no it won't affect the playoffs, and no it won't change anything meaningful regarding chances to win the title, but hey, TOURNAMENT!

Am I the only one who doesn't see a point to this, at all, other than to force scheduling of teams we want to see play each other, which can be done WITHOUT A TOURNAMENT?

Ways to keep basketball relevant do not include grafting a meaningless tournament into the schedule. They DO include contraction of asstacular teams to concentrate talent and keep teams competitive, games interesting, and increase championship and playoff parity. Hell, you could scratch 25% of the regular season at this point and all it would do is make things more interesting. Oh, and tighten up the playoffs. Nothing like seeing a hockey series closed out in 7 days in 4 games and seeing "Game 3 of the basketball series which started 3 days before this hockey one is tomorrow night." I refuse to believe that the physical toll of basketball is equal to or greater than that of football or hockey.
 
2014-07-21 09:42:42 AM  

grinding_journalist: Hey teams! See this slate of games midseason? That's now "The Tournament". No your schedule doesn't change, no it won't affect the playoffs, and no it won't change anything meaningful regarding chances to win the title, but hey, TOURNAMENT!

Am I the only one who doesn't see a point to this, at all, other than to force scheduling of teams we want to see play each other, which can be done WITHOUT A TOURNAMENT?

Ways to keep basketball relevant do not include grafting a meaningless tournament into the schedule. They DO include contraction of asstacular teams to concentrate talent and keep teams competitive, games interesting, and increase championship and playoff parity. Hell, you could scratch 25% of the regular season at this point and all it would do is make things more interesting. Oh, and tighten up the playoffs. Nothing like seeing a hockey series closed out in 7 days in 4 games and seeing "Game 3 of the basketball series which started 3 days before this hockey one is tomorrow night." I refuse to believe that the physical toll of basketball is equal to or greater than that of football or hockey.


I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?
 
2014-07-21 09:44:42 AM  

Muta: Lost Thought 00: I assume they mean an international tournament of some sort? Not the worst idea.

So it would be a tournament where the US beats everyone else 132 to 40?


While we're shooting out crazy ideas, make it an 8-team tournament: US Northeast, US Southeast, US West, Canada, Latin America, Western Europe, Eastern Europe, Austrafricasia
 
2014-07-21 09:49:58 AM  
After reading the article, I actually really like the "Champions Cup" idea that he proposed with the six division winners.

If you want to promote the game globally, it would absolutely make sense to showcase the best teams - we certainly wouldn't want to send the Bucks and the Sixers to London.  We wouldn't have to add additional games - just make those games part of the 82 games and figure out how to flex the rest of the schedule to ensure there is balance.

Problems:

1.  Teams losing premier games and the ticket receipts that accompany those games (along with the fans not being able to see those games).  I know fans in San Antonio wouldn't be happy that they don't get a home game vs Miami because it was being held in London (or imagine a future Lakers/Celtics match up).  Teams would be need to be made financially whole, but still wouldn't resolve everything.

2.  Players/teams not caring.  The rest argument I think is easy to overcome - if you play the tournament, sure you're forced to play those three games in five days while the rest of the league is watching, but you'll end up with fewer back to backs throughout the rest of the season.  I think you would need to make some kind of incentive - is it nuts to follow baseball's lead and go with home court advantage in the finals to the conference that wins?  The teams would play for it, considering these are presumably among the best teams in the conference (so they would want to secure hca), and right now it doesn't  make a ton of sense to reward teams with hca based on record when the conferences have such different strengths.

I'm all in for an overseas tourney with the six division winners play, with the winning conference getting HCA in the finals.
 
2014-07-21 09:54:55 AM  
Just make each game 8 minutes long...2 minutes per quarter since the final 2 minutes of the game is the only time anything exciting happens. Despite the shortened quarter length, It will still take 90 minutes to complete a full game.
 
2014-07-21 10:05:22 AM  

Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?


Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?
 
2014-07-21 10:20:30 AM  
they should just skip the regular season and just have the whole season be playoffs.  and in the middle of the playoffs they could put in the mid-season tournament - kinda like a playoffs - to break up the other playoffs.  so the teams take a break from the playoffs to have a playoffs and then when that is done go back to the playoffs.
 
2014-07-21 10:22:08 AM  

grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?


I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower
 
2014-07-21 10:22:10 AM  
assfault and hokey season...wheeeeeeeeeee

The NBA season injures players and shortens their careers because it's too farking long. Plus how can you wheel the season with that many games? Come on.
 
2014-07-21 10:22:52 AM  
I still think this is just Adam Silver PR.
 
2014-07-21 10:24:06 AM  
Mid-season tournament sounds stupid. Next maybe they will start a tournament where you keep advancing if you lose, and be crowned the worst team in teh league if you "win" it.
 
2014-07-21 10:25:51 AM  
 said the NBA is weighing a possible end-of-season show to acknowledge its award recipients (MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, etc.).

You mean, like, some sort of All-Star Game?
 
2014-07-21 10:26:35 AM  

Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower


The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.
 
2014-07-21 10:30:07 AM  

SlothB77: they should just skip the regular season and just have the whole season be playoffs.  and in the middle of the playoffs they could put in the mid-season tournament - kinda like a playoffs - to break up the other playoffs.  so the teams take a break from the playoffs to have a playoffs and then when that is done go back to the playoffs.


Yo dawg I heard you like playoffs....

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2014-07-21 10:31:51 AM  

Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.


In short shifts, many times you're going balls out from one end to the other. I would think the need to be aware of who's around you and who's looking to take your head off would be quite mentally taxing in addition to the physicality/coordination aspect.
 
2014-07-21 10:33:55 AM  

Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.


Just the act of skating is more demanding than running besides that, you have to have the upper body strength to muscle the puck, opponent whatever...

Diving in front of the puck takes its toll as well.
 
2014-07-21 10:34:21 AM  
One... I don't see any indication that this is an "International Tournament" idea.... it sounds like just NBA teams.

Second... much like relegation is never going to happen here, I don't know that U.S. sports fans are used to having "mid-season" tournaments for their major leagues that have any real meaning.  The only thing I can think of that might be similar is all of the "Pre-season" tournaments that NCAA college basketball teams play in November and December.   But, I don't know, other than they are pre-season games, do fans (or even the players) really care that they won the "EA Sports Roundball Roundup Tournament" in early December?    Are NBA fans or players going to care if they win the "Michael Jordan Cup" tournament in late January?

I get the feeling that the sport of soccer is built around not only caring about the league "Cups", but, all of these "tournament" cups as well, there is a sense of accomplishment in winning those (and maybe financial incentives as well).  I don't know if you can foster that in the other U.S. sports... especially if it isn't country based (ie, like the World Baseball Classic).
 
2014-07-21 10:40:04 AM  
How about a black vs white tournament. It may spark some interest from non-basketball fans in the south.
 
2014-07-21 10:40:46 AM  

WhiskeySticks: How about a black vs white tournament. It may spark some interest from non-basketball fans in the south.


500 against 3 isn't good odds.
 
2014-07-21 10:51:23 AM  

Piizzadude: Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.

Just the act of skating is more demanding than running besides that, you have to have the upper body strength to muscle the puck, opponent whatever...

Diving in front of the puck takes its toll as well.


I do not question the physical and mental demand of hockey but I think you are under selling the physical demands of basketball. NBA defense is not simple and being in a defensive stance is grueling. Jumping repeatedly is not a simple task either.

Sometimes I wish these sports, which are totally different from one another, were not played in during the same season. The need to compare the two is confusing and pointless.
 
2014-07-21 11:02:44 AM  

Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.

Just the act of skating is more demanding than running besides that, you have to have the upper body strength to muscle the puck, opponent whatever...

Diving in front of the puck takes its toll as well.

I do not question the physical and mental demand of hockey but I think you are under selling the physical demands of basketball. NBA defense is not simple and being in a defensive stance is grueling. Jumping repeatedly is not a simple task either.

Sometimes I wish these sports, which are totally different from one another, were not played in during the same season. The need to compare the two is confusing and pointless.


I am not really underselling basketball, I just think that hockey is that much more demanding. I would not be adverse to moving basketball to the summer months. Hockey has to be played when it is colder (Florida, Dallas, and a host of other places already have crappy ice some of the time), Having one choice of an outdoor sport (football) and an indoor sport (hockey) would be a good thing. Same thing would happen in the summer (baseball, Basketball). Sharing buildings with BBall and hockey causes some issues as well (not really issues but schedules could be better). One other thing would be to have the building full all year round.

I am really liking this idea.

BTW: here is some science for you:  http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills
 
2014-07-21 11:07:17 AM  

grinding_journalist: Hey teams! See this slate of games midseason? That's now "The Tournament". No your schedule doesn't change, no it won't affect the playoffs, and no it won't change anything meaningful regarding chances to win the title, but hey, TOURNAMENT!

Am I the only one who doesn't see a point to this, at all, other than to force scheduling of teams we want to see play each other, which can be done WITHOUT A TOURNAMENT?

Ways to keep basketball relevant do not include grafting a meaningless tournament into the schedule. They DO include contraction of asstacular teams to concentrate talent and keep teams competitive, games interesting, and increase championship and playoff parity. Hell, you could scratch 25% of the regular season at this point and all it would do is make things more interesting. Oh, and tighten up the playoffs. Nothing like seeing a hockey series closed out in 7 days in 4 games and seeing "Game 3 of the basketball series which started 3 days before this hockey one is tomorrow night." I refuse to believe that the physical toll of basketball is equal to or greater than that of football or hockey.


Football is obviously the worst. Hockey, though, has plenty of player play long careers. The basic running, jumping, rebounding, shooting, etc., in basketball stresses ankles and knees way worse than ice skating does. You have the checking but the vast majority of the time, checks avoid the head and knees.
 
2014-07-21 11:09:13 AM  

Piizzadude: BTW: here is some science for you: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills


Fishing is the least physically demanding?! Obviously these people have never tried standing in boat while reeling in a fish as you're holding your last beer because you already guzzled 11 of them by 9 am...
 
2014-07-21 11:14:45 AM  

Piizzadude: Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.

Just the act of skating is more demanding than running besides that, you have to have the upper body strength to muscle the puck, opponent whatever...

Diving in front of the puck takes its toll as well.


Skating is less demanding that running, particularly in the joints.
 
2014-07-21 11:17:05 AM  

meanmutton: Skating is less demanding that running, particularly in the joints.


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2014-07-21 11:31:33 AM  

WhiskeySticks: Piizzadude: BTW: here is some science for you: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/sportSkills

Fishing is the least physically demanding?! Obviously these people have never tried standing in boat while reeling in a fish as you're holding your last beer because you already guzzled 11 of them by 9 am...


Well, I guess we have someone here who has not experienced the lethal combination of kayak, fish and angry goose.

Probably NSFW for language

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cV4FCwtTEo

Probably NSFW for language
 
2014-07-21 12:33:03 PM  
Something else I'll totally not watch! Great idea!
 
2014-07-21 01:10:39 PM  
Considering I watched streams of most of the Wizards Summer League games I obviously always want more basketball, but this is just dumb.

/GLEN RICE JR. SUMMER LEAGUE MVP
 
2014-07-21 01:10:53 PM  
Considering the Euro soccer teams are less and less enthused by the mid-season tournaments (look at some of the line ups for mid round FA cup EPL teams), I don't know why the NBA is so hard on for this. However, anything that lops off 25+ games from the ultra bloated regular season is fine by me. Euro soccer is going to become more like American sports before American sports become more like soccer.
 
2014-07-21 01:48:58 PM  
So this will be called King of the Court and the winner gets an elevated push and see if he can handle it before they start putting the "big" title on him?
 
2014-07-21 01:52:59 PM  

WhiskeySticks: How about a black vs white tournament. It may spark some interest from non-basketball fans in the south.


Donald Sterling would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2014-07-21 02:14:07 PM  

Trocadero: Considering the Euro soccer teams are less and less enthused by the mid-season tournaments (look at some of the line ups for mid round FA cup EPL teams), I don't know why the NBA is so hard on for this. However, anything that lops off 25+ games from the ultra bloated regular season is fine by me. Euro soccer is going to become more like American sports before American sports become more like soccer.


This. The NBA regular season should be around 50 games. And the difference isn't that the NBA doesn't have a Cup (it does, the playoffs) it's that "winning the league" (i.e. having the best regular season record) doesn't mean jack here, where in Europe it's the biggest thing.
 
2014-07-21 02:27:16 PM  

drewogatory: Trocadero: Considering the Euro soccer teams are less and less enthused by the mid-season tournaments (look at some of the line ups for mid round FA cup EPL teams), I don't know why the NBA is so hard on for this. However, anything that lops off 25+ games from the ultra bloated regular season is fine by me. Euro soccer is going to become more like American sports before American sports become more like soccer.

This. The NBA regular season should be around 50 games. And the difference isn't that the NBA doesn't have a Cup (it does, the playoffs) it's that "winning the league" (i.e. having the best regular season record) doesn't mean jack here, where in Europe it's the biggest thing.


50 games? That seems very low. I think 70 or 72 is a good number. They played 68 games in the 50s.
 
2014-07-21 04:11:03 PM  

meanmutton: Piizzadude: Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.

Just the act of skating is more demanding than running besides that, you have to have the upper body strength to muscle the puck, opponent whatever...

Diving in front of the puck takes its toll as well.

Skating is less demanding that running, particularly in the joints.


No it is not. You use your whole body in skating to gain momentum. Running just uses the legs.
 
2014-07-21 04:18:42 PM  

Rann Xerox: WhiskeySticks: How about a black vs white tournament. It may spark some interest from non-basketball fans in the south.

Donald Sterling would like to subscribe to your newsletter.


I kind of wonder if this is part of the reason the NBA has never tried out a USA vs World format for the ASG...
 
2014-07-21 04:27:27 PM  

Piizzadude: meanmutton: Piizzadude: Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.

Just the act of skating is more demanding than running besides that, you have to have the upper body strength to muscle the puck, opponent whatever...

Diving in front of the puck takes its toll as well.

Skating is less demanding that running, particularly in the joints.

No it is not. You use your whole body in skating to gain momentum. Running just uses the legs.


How does  jumping work into your analysis because it has to.
 
2014-07-21 04:56:20 PM  

Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: meanmutton: Piizzadude: Gunny Highway: Piizzadude: grinding_journalist: Gunny Highway: I fear this turning into a HOCKEY/BASKETBALL thread but this is an honest question, how much time does the average player spend on the ice per game. How does that relate to basketball?

Very roughly, it looks like NBA guys are on court about 25% more minutes or so than NHL guys. Obviously, that number will vary widely, but the NBA leaders are about 10 min+ on the NHL leaders (just under 40 MPG vs 30 MPG) and the average averages are about 25 to 18.

When it comes to what they actually DO with their ice or court time, how hairsplitty do you want to get?

I am not going to try and turn this into a Basketball vs Hockey thread but I would not be remiss in saying that hockey players have tougher physical demands per shift than basketball players. Not to mention there are more hockey players that actually play in the game than basketball players so the time would be lower

The big hits are the obvious example of hockey being more physically demanding but in what other way is it more demanding? I am not sure there is a a right answer here but basketball is a physical sport too.

Just the act of skating is more demanding than running besides that, you have to have the upper body strength to muscle the puck, opponent whatever...

Diving in front of the puck takes its toll as well.

Skating is less demanding that running, particularly in the joints.

No it is not. You use your whole body in skating to gain momentum. Running just uses the legs.

How does  jumping work into your analysis because it has to.


While a player may not jump on the ice with the exception of blocking shots, getting out of the way of the puck path or leaving the feet while making a hit (which is a no-no) off ice training should include a lot of jumping. Jump training helps add explosiveness to your skating. Not sure a typical professional's training routine, they're not doing it on the ice, but it is included in the overall impact on the body.
 
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