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(NPR)   Rampant sexual harassment plagues A) Catholic churches, B) 1960s ad agencies, C) scientific laboratories   (npr.org) divider line 77
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2014-07-20 05:08:29 PM  
Field site |= Laboratory
 
2014-07-20 05:41:24 PM  

fusillade762: Field site |= Laboratory


To a true scientist, the WORLD is a laboratory. Also, apparently, a place for raping.
 
2014-07-20 05:59:25 PM  
''Have you ever personally experienced inappropriate or sexual remarks, comments about physical beauty, cognitive sex differences, or other jokes, at a field site? (If you have had more than one experience, the most notable to you).''

''Have you ever experienced physical sexual harassment, unwanted sexual contact, or sexual contact in which you could not or did not give consent or felt it would be unsafe to fight back or not give your consent at a field site? (If you have had more than one experience, the most notable to you).''


So it's a self-reported survey with definitions that do not likely coincide with harassment definitions that are likely not the same as those enforced by the EEOC.

Also, 65% of women and 75% of men say that they hear inappropriate comments, and these can include simple comments on appearance, "men are dumb/women can't' math" jokes, and actual direct harassment.

So this is possibly above normal, but at the very least the reporting about it is certainly a bit overblown.
 
2014-07-20 06:12:17 PM  

ArkAngel: ''Have you ever personally experienced inappropriate or sexual remarks, comments about physical beauty, cognitive sex differences, or other jokes, at a field site? (If you have had more than one experience, the most notable to you).''

''Have you ever experienced physical sexual harassment, unwanted sexual contact, or sexual contact in which you could not or did not give consent or felt it would be unsafe to fight back or not give your consent at a field site? (If you have had more than one experience, the most notable to you).''

So it's a self-reported survey with definitions that do not likely coincide with harassment definitions that are likely not the same as those enforced by the EEOC.

Also, 65% of women and 75% of men say that they hear inappropriate comments, and these can include simple comments on appearance, "men are dumb/women can't' math" jokes, and actual direct harassment.

So this is possibly above normal, but at the very least the reporting about it is certainly a bit overblown.


Really, comments about physical beauty lands on this list?  So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?

See, these are why I consider these surveys to be stupid.
 
2014-07-20 06:25:26 PM  
I think this area needs more research. Let's bring in some more scientists.
 
2014-07-20 06:25:56 PM  
Oh, good, a self-reported survey using undefined terms mixed with terms defined excessively broadly (really?  "general comments on appearance"?) and administered to a group of extremely literal-minded people trained for a decade plus to remember and report minor details that most would overlook because it might be significant later?

Yeah, this had better be some sort of psychology case study on how to artificially produce the biggest false positive possible, or something.  Because if it isn't, whoever came up with this should probably just put a gun in their mouth now before the crowd of angry scientists used as tools in an aggressively anti-scientific piece of propaganda show up at their door with torches and pitchforks.  And possible marshmallows, because no proper scientist would let a good lynching fire go to waste.

Mmm, smores.
 
2014-07-20 06:28:28 PM  

nucrash: I think this area needs more research. Let's bring in some more scientists.


They'll just end up harassing one another and nothing will get done.
 
2014-07-20 06:37:38 PM  
People are assholes.  Scientists are a subset of people.
 
2014-07-20 06:44:11 PM  
I think the funniest shiat I've ever seen was when Sheldon had to go to HR because he talked about his assistants reproductive urges and the HR chick was blah so he made a "solidarity" statement about "you people"!!! Hahaha!

Oh, and Penny is hot.

/wait, what was the thread about?
 
2014-07-20 06:55:25 PM  
--Researchers distributed the link to the survey to potential respondents through e-mail and online social networks (Facebook, Twitter, and LinkedIn)


And as we know that no one lies on the internet
 
2014-07-20 06:56:25 PM  
Would you like to manipulate my pipette?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-20 07:02:06 PM  
In a survey of scientists engaged in field research, the majority - 64 percent - said they had personally experienced sexual harassment while at a field site, and 22 percent reported being the victim of sexual assault.

When you finally get them out of the lab coat, some girls are hot. Apparently, 64% of them.
 
2014-07-20 07:08:49 PM  
He touched his test tube to my test tube!

He touched his test tube to my test tube!
 
2014-07-20 07:11:24 PM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Would you like to manipulate my pipette?


Polish my beaker, baby.
 
2014-07-20 07:19:38 PM  

fusillade762: Polish my beaker, baby.


www.playmakeronline.com
 
2014-07-20 07:20:40 PM  

fusillade762: Herr Flick's Revenge: Would you like to manipulate my pipette?

Polish my beaker, baby.


Dr. Honeydew?
 
2014-07-20 07:24:35 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-20 07:28:37 PM  
Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto - you're beautiful!

http://vimeo.com/70051022
 
2014-07-20 07:34:54 PM  
Mitosis!

That's what she said.
 
2014-07-20 07:36:19 PM  
Erlenmeyer? I barely know her!
 
2014-07-20 07:37:50 PM  
Laboratory scientist do it on the table!

How you doing, that experiment?
 
2014-07-20 07:52:28 PM  
Remember men, when you're walking around with a woman out in the field... you're either sexually harassing her or you're not sexually harassing her fast enough and she'll yell at you for it.
 
2014-07-20 08:02:31 PM  
Someone better call PETA
i.imgur.com

The science needs to stop!
 
2014-07-20 08:03:02 PM  
hammer85:
Really, comments about physical beauty lands on this list?  So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?

See, these are why I consider these surveys to be stupid.


welcome to 21st century feminism.  If an unattractive male even attempts communication it is sexual harassment.
 
2014-07-20 08:06:14 PM  
It is trivially obvious to anyone who has worked in science that this stuff IS all too common. Both ways around mind you but worst for young women.

it is also trivially obvious that this 'study' is utter drivel run by idiots.
 
2014-07-20 08:07:39 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: hammer85:
Really, comments about physical beauty lands on this list?  So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?

See, these are why I consider these surveys to be stupid.

welcome to 21st century feminism.  If an unattractive male even attempts communication it is sexual harassment.


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-07-20 08:09:13 PM  
What are women doing out of the kitchen in the first place?
 
2014-07-20 08:18:04 PM  

hammer85: So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?


I have this problem when I hear about statistics regarding bullying which tend to specify 'have experienced bullying behaviors' including being called names, being threatened with physical violence, having items stolen, or similar. As an educator, I stamp out bullying, talking directly to my students who have been involved in such behaviors on either side and making my classroom safe havens, but we have focused on the pervasiveness of bullying more than the influence of bullying. I think this is similar to sexual harassment, and why we do not change the workplace environment to make sexual harassment feel unwelcome. Maybe there are jokes which disparage a gender or make overt comments about physical appearance, but when we label those sexual harassment alongside the behaviors which strictly sexualize specific women in the workplace or prohibit those women from being in affluent positions due to histories of subservience and lack of education then we are unable to recognize what creates hostility and denies opportunity while being unable to engage those, primarily men, who do not yet understand the problems created.

We have to work from most extreme to least, I think, rather than try to blanket everything in an enlightened attitude to alter the society in which this behavior exists.
 
2014-07-20 08:22:23 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: hammer85:
Really, comments about physical beauty lands on this list?  So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?

See, these are why I consider these surveys to be stupid.

welcome to 21st century feminism.  If an unattractive male even attempts communication it is sexual harassment.


Well, obviously they need to stop being unattractive, then. Duh.
 
2014-07-20 08:23:03 PM  
I think the people running this study were angling for a particular response, but even in the 90's there was some horrific sexual harassment going on at my university by every single older professor. They would comment on female students' bodies when they came to class, they'd use wildly inappropriate overhead slides during class, and many younger professors made no secret about their attempts to bed any attractive students that might come through their class.

Now I'm working for the same university 20 years later and they seemed to have fixed the problem by only hiring adjunct professors. The entire old guard of tenured professors is gone, and the only ones left are the ones making a shiat ton of money via their research.
 
2014-07-20 08:23:36 PM  

OhioKnight: Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto - you're beautiful!

http://vimeo.com/70051022


My favorite aspect of this video is Ingre's violin on Miss Sakamoto during the dance.
 
2014-07-20 08:30:08 PM  

Lsherm: I think the people running this study were angling for a particular response, but even in the 90's there was some horrific sexual harassment going on at my university by every single older professor. They would comment on female students' bodies when they came to class, they'd use wildly inappropriate overhead slides during class, and many younger professors made no secret about their attempts to bed any attractive students that might come through their class.

Now I'm working for the same university 20 years later and they seemed to have fixed the problem by only hiring adjunct professors. The entire old guard of tenured professors is gone, and the only ones left are the ones making a shiat ton of money via their research.


Never thought I'd hear of an upside to the move toward adjunct profs.
 
2014-07-20 08:37:47 PM  

Son of Thunder: Never thought I'd hear of an upside to the move toward adjunct profs.


It may be the only one. Our adjuncts normally aren't around long enough to even attempt harassment of a student. They're more worried about lining up a contract for the next semester.
 
2014-07-20 08:44:06 PM  
You put the tight in titration, baby!
 
2014-07-20 08:49:37 PM  

hammer85: Really, comments about physical beauty lands on this list?  So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?


http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/07/04/makeup-experiment_n_3547680. ht ml

Yes.
 
2014-07-20 08:52:28 PM  

Vangor: hammer85: So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?

I have this problem when I hear about statistics regarding bullying which tend to specify 'have experienced bullying behaviors' including being called names, being threatened with physical violence, having items stolen, or similar. As an educator, I stamp out bullying, talking directly to my students who have been involved in such behaviors on either side and making my classroom safe havens, but we have focused on the pervasiveness of bullying more than the influence of bullying. I think this is similar to sexual harassment, and why we do not change the workplace environment to make sexual harassment feel unwelcome. Maybe there are jokes which disparage a gender or make overt comments about physical appearance, but when we label those sexual harassment alongside the behaviors which strictly sexualize specific women in the workplace or prohibit those women from being in affluent positions due to histories of subservience and lack of education then we are unable to recognize what creates hostility and denies opportunity while being unable to engage those, primarily men, who do not yet understand the problems created.

We have to work from most extreme to least, I think, rather than try to blanket everything in an enlightened attitude to alter the society in which this behavior exists.


tl;dr

You sound fat.

/scientifically speaking OK course.
 
2014-07-20 09:03:10 PM  

kendelrio: You sound fat.


Sorry you have such sharp knees.
 
2014-07-20 09:13:16 PM  
Wanted for questioning...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-07-20 09:13:24 PM  

Vangor: kendelrio: You sound fat.

Sorry you have such sharp knees.


Like jagged edges of brittle obsidian, baking in the sun for a millenia......

/sorry, just came from the Stephen King thread.
 
2014-07-20 09:41:30 PM  

Plant Rights Activist: hammer85:
Really, comments about physical beauty lands on this list?  So your coworker saying "hey you look good today" or "wow I liked what you did with your hair" now puts you on the same list as pedobear?

See, these are why I consider these surveys to be stupid.

welcome to 21st century feminism.  If an unattractive male even attempts communication it is sexual harassment.


Dude, don't be unattractive!
 
2014-07-20 09:50:34 PM  
Field work is very much a work hard / play hard environment.  A lot of the technicians are just out of college, they're all inappropriate with each other, and often postdocs and graduate students want to get in on the fun.

However.

Postdocs and Faculty absolutely know better and should be ashamed of themselves.

And, this goes on extensively in labs too.  I left my last job because of the rampant sexual harassment by my boss.  At least half a dozen women left over the past few years for the same reason.  And universities do nothing, because they're making a lot of money off of famous professors.  Not only does the PI bring in millions in grant money, and you could double that from overhead costs.  How much money does the PI bring in, vs. how much would the settlement be in a lawsuit?  What happens if the allegations are false?  The PI will leave.  There goes the fame and fortune.

The system is broken
 
2014-07-20 09:59:44 PM  
Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto! You're beautiful!
 
2014-07-20 10:17:26 PM  
Nice beakers.
 
2014-07-20 10:18:23 PM  

Without Fail: fusillade762: Polish my beaker, baby.

[www.playmakeronline.com image 400x364]


Well, damn both of you.
 
2014-07-20 10:26:29 PM  
images.wikia.com
 
2014-07-20 10:33:45 PM  
Technical question: Is it sexual harassment if the scientist invents a mind-control ray (or drug) and uses it on a hot colleague?
 
2014-07-20 10:50:17 PM  

bagumpity: Technical question: Is it sexual harassment if the scientist invents a mind-control ray (or drug) and uses it on a hot colleague?


Is she wearing a short skirt?
 
2014-07-20 11:02:36 PM  
Suddenly, Richard Dawkins' "Dear Muslima" letter makes a whole lot more sense.  Come to think of it, it also seems to throw his "mild pedophilia" comment into a different light.
i224.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-20 11:08:20 PM  
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/context-and-variation/

Below is the blog of one of the authors. The survey was posted here among other places.

You can determine for yourself how representative the survey sample might have been when you consider surveyees were recruited on social networks including her "science blog" that deals quite a bit more with "ladybusiness" than science.

i.imgur.com


i.imgur.com

Still, scientists and researchers is people, so I see no reason to think that scientists act like people do act.
 
2014-07-20 11:26:01 PM  
Not sure about for-profit scientific venues, but when I worked for a well known non-profit cancer research center in Seattle circa early to mid 2000s, there was quite a bit of nookie available.  Slept with two lab mates (heh), two admin desk chicks, and fooled around with girls from several different labs. One girl wanted to defile our clean room (as it was the only room that had a lock) but I said no because that would just be unprofessional. Seriously.
 
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