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(ABC 27)   Atlantic City, New Jersey is on the downward trend, but here is what it is doing to keep its reputation as a top casino resort town. Wanna bet it will happen?   (abc27.com) divider line 56
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2014-07-20 01:35:25 PM  
Buy a Time Machine and go back to bribe the ever-lovin' fark out of Pennsylvania lawmakers so they never approve casino gambling and ensure the Philadelphia Metro Area still has to trek down the AC Expressway to watch some old lady power-smoke a carton of Virginia Slims while playing four machines at once?
 
2014-07-20 01:51:54 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Buy a Time Machine and go back to bribe the ever-lovin' fark out of Pennsylvania lawmakers so they never approve casino gambling and ensure the Philadelphia Metro Area still has to trek down the AC Expressway to watch some old lady power-smoke a carton of Virginia Slims while playing four machines at once?


Pretty much this.  The Philly area has options besides AC now.  The NYC area has options besides AC now.  Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun for everything, the racinos for slots.  If Long Island ever gets approved, it'll be another big competitor.

Atlantic City was the best option when it was the only option.
 
2014-07-20 03:38:04 PM  
Once Boardwalk Empire is over, Atlantic City follows.
 
2014-07-20 03:39:12 PM  
Is it even possible to spiral further than the bottom?
 
2014-07-20 03:39:42 PM  
Yankee people problems.
 
2014-07-20 03:40:08 PM  
Seems like AC needs to do what Vegas has done, and focus on everything but gambling.  The article seems to say that, but it's going to take a lot to get people to come back.  Gotta start somewhere though I guess.

/still laughing at the power-smoke/four machine line
//cause it's true
 
2014-07-20 03:40:52 PM  
"top" and "New Jersey" should never be in the same sentence.
 
2014-07-20 03:47:54 PM  
AC's biggest problem is it is both too far from Philadelphia and, oddly, too close to Phili. It is simply too much of a hastle to fly to Phili (or Newark for that matter), then drive 90 minutes to AC. That just isn't the formula for convention success that NJ is dreaming about. On the other hand, it's simply too close to be a destination in its own right. Every airline that has ever served the pittance that is the AC airport loses a fortune (even by airline loss standards). Time to give up guys, you can't compete on gambling, location, infrastructure, services.... etc.


/Last one out get the lights
//Assuming the power hasn't yet been cut due to nonpayment
 
2014-07-20 03:49:30 PM  
DEREGULATION
State officials reduced some of the regulations the casinos found burdensome and costly as part of a regulatory remake a few years ago.


I am curious what regulations these casino owners found so "burdensome"?
 
2014-07-20 03:51:11 PM  
Never been, but have a friend that describes AC as Reno with a beach. Seems believable.
 
2014-07-20 03:53:27 PM  
Atlantic City is, and always will be, a shiathole. (I grew up nearby, and worked in and around AC -- including as a cabdriver -- for 20+ years, so I'm getting a big kick out of these replies).
The state will flush hundreds of millions down that toilet, which will help keep it from shutting down completely. It will continue to decline down to about four casinos, and then stabilize for a decade or three.
 
2014-07-20 03:53:30 PM  
AC is a shiathole. There are plenty of other options in Pennsylvania and New York that don't force you to drive through Newark or Camden to get to them.
 
2014-07-20 03:54:13 PM  
No.
 
2014-07-20 03:54:37 PM  
What they need to do is fix up that shiathole of a town. The place is a disgrace. Camden-by-the-Sea.
 
2014-07-20 04:05:03 PM  

LemSkroob: "top" and "New Jersey" should never be in the same sentence.


True. That makes it sound like NJ actually has competition.

/suck it
 
2014-07-20 04:12:09 PM  

LemSkroob: "top" and "New Jersey" should never be in the same sentence.


What if we were talking about where to find guidos?
 
2014-07-20 04:12:36 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: What they need to do is fix up that shiathole of a town. The place is a disgrace. Camden-by-the-Sea.


You have never been to Asbury Park, especially in the 90's to mid 2000's, it looked like the US armed forces bombed it, could have sworn you left NJ and ended up in Detroit with an ocean view. Yes it was that bad. "War zone by the sea"

Now it has improved a little bit, but still has a way to go.

Government promises to fix it, but never fixes anything, just makes it worse.....
 
2014-07-20 04:14:05 PM  
AC's problem is and always has been that, when people talk about AC-- going there, fixing there, whatever-- all they're really talking about are the casinos. They neglected and abused the city for decades and it keeps coming around to haunt them. Every "revitalization" brings it up to a point slightly below where it was last. Repeat that cycle across the years and it's in a pretty sorry place.

What AC *needs* is to wean itself off from the casinos. Let them stand or fall (fall, most likely, now that PA, MD, NY, and CT all have casinos) on their own. Meanwhile, diversify the industry of AC so as to cushion the blow... and be less reliant on an industry that has bought so many breaks that it barely contributes to the city anyhow.
 
2014-07-20 04:14:44 PM  

SDRR: LemSkroob: "top" and "New Jersey" should never be in the same sentence.

What if we were talking about where to find guidos?


Or about states with rampant corruption?

Or states with the most corrupt public sector unions?

Or the states with the highest property taxes?

Or the worse smells?

Or with the most brain dead liberals per square mile?
 
2014-07-20 04:36:52 PM  

obamadidcoke: DEREGULATION
State officials reduced some of the regulations the casinos found burdensome and costly as part of a regulatory remake a few years ago.

Translation: the government made it easier for corporations to make money



Because all those citizens of AC will gladly step up and replace the tax base lost when the casinos leave or go under.

Corporations aren't all bad, you know.......
 
2014-07-20 04:41:51 PM  
I was part of a bachelor party plan once.  As soon as we found they wanted $300+ a night for a room in a mediocre casino on weekends the plan changed.
 
2014-07-20 04:54:55 PM  
Once the esplanade and the Museum of Science and Trucking opens, things will really turn around.
 
2014-07-20 04:58:37 PM  

dantheman195: CigaretteSmokingMan: What they need to do is fix up that shiathole of a town. The place is a disgrace. Camden-by-the-Sea.

You have never been to Asbury Park, especially in the 90's to mid 2000's, it looked like the US armed forces bombed it, could have sworn you left NJ and ended up in Detroit with an ocean view. Yes it was that bad. "War zone by the sea"

Now it has improved a little bit, but still has a way to go.

Government promises to fix it, but never fixes anything, just makes it worse.....


I've been there many times, starting in the 70's, mostly to go to the Stone Pony. It has greatly improved.
 
2014-07-20 05:15:12 PM  
Deregulate gambling?  Yeah, that should make life better.
 
2014-07-20 05:16:54 PM  

blunto: I was part of a bachelor party plan once.  As soon as we found they wanted $300+ a night for a room in a mediocre casino on weekends the plan changed.


They get that because on most weekends, those hotels are filled. The problem is sunday night through thursday, they literally give the rooms away just by asking, and can't keep them even close to filled. There isn't enough there to justify it as a destination longer than a night or two, and as mentioned above, there are lots of reasons as to why it sucks for conventions. Now, if you built it up enough to vegas-ish levels where you can make an excuse to go there for 3 or 4 days, you start building that weekday crowd. That in turn builds the airport traffic that you need to make it a convention city, and that in turn helps grow it.

The problem is, you can't build that needed infrastructure while it is on such a downward turn.

A few of the casinos going under is probably a good thing. It will help consolidate the business they have a bit.
 
2014-07-20 05:30:55 PM  

GopherGuts: Atlantic City is, and always will be, a shiathole. (I grew up nearby, and worked in and around AC -- including as a cabdriver -- for 20+ years, so I'm getting a big kick out of these replies).


AC was pretty amazing from the 19th century until the 1950s.  Once the Baby Boomers could jet off to Europe or the Caribbean for vacations, it started a downward slide, which gambling never helped.

The thing is, it it sold itself as something different, it might be able to change things, like as a cheap weekend destination for people from Philly without a car, as it's about the only point on the Shore you can get to by public transit easily.

That's what made the town originally: it was a place the rich and poor could get to easily from Philly, back when men went back into the city to work on Monday and left their families at a hotel or rooming house during the week.
 
2014-07-20 05:33:23 PM  
It's still a good deal to take the bus in to AC.  You get an en-route movie, meal vouchers, and (depending on which casino you end up in) as much as $100 in free gambling money.  If you don't gamble, it's an awesome way to get a free day at the beach.  Do it enough times, and they'll start courting you with better and better offers.  Basically, with careful planning you can get nearly everything AC has to offer for next to nothing.  If you spend more than $20 of your own money in a weekend (not counting tips), you're a sucker.
 
2014-07-20 05:34:23 PM  
I've only been there once, 30 years ago. At that time it appeared to be a line of nice looking hotels and casinos on the ocean front, with slums filled on behind it. And so many buses on the street hauling people in from the hinterlands that it looked like people drove buses instead of cars. What a shiathole.
 
2014-07-20 05:40:56 PM  

dantheman195: CigaretteSmokingMan: What they need to do is fix up that shiathole of a town. The place is a disgrace. Camden-by-the-Sea.

You have never been to Asbury Park, especially in the 90's to mid 2000's, it looked like the US armed forces bombed it, could have sworn you left NJ and ended up in Detroit with an ocean view. Yes it was that bad. "War zone by the sea"

Now it has improved a little bit, but still has a way to go.

Government promises to fix it, but never fixes anything, just makes it worse.....


Asbury park is good enough for God.

You saying you're better than God?

/though, I guess god did get her ass kicked in as bury park.
//you win
///skeeball.
 
2014-07-20 05:42:23 PM  
Gambling: a tax on those who do not know math, and a borderline illegal method of making money for those who do know math.
 
2014-07-20 05:45:52 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: dantheman195: CigaretteSmokingMan: What they need to do is fix up that shiathole of a town. The place is a disgrace. Camden-by-the-Sea.

You have never been to Asbury Park, especially in the 90's to mid 2000's, it looked like the US armed forces bombed it, could have sworn you left NJ and ended up in Detroit with an ocean view. Yes it was that bad. "War zone by the sea"

Now it has improved a little bit, but still has a way to go.

Government promises to fix it, but never fixes anything, just makes it worse.....

I've been there many times, starting in the 70's, mostly to go to the Stone Pony. It has greatly improved.


Beach block and the board walk have greatly improved, three blocks in, war zone. I guess the government is giving it the "Atlantic City" treatment. You can again feel "safe" during the day, which is a big improvement over a decade ago, but at night it is still sketchy. (Boardwalk/beach block, not a few blocks in, they still have shootings there)

Asbury Park has one the worse and most expensive public school systems in the country. That is something they should not be proud of.
 
2014-07-20 05:47:34 PM  

Jeng: Gambling: a tax on those who do not know math, and a borderline illegal method of making money for those who do know math.


Or for people with self control, an entertaining way to spend a few hours.
 
2014-07-20 05:50:16 PM  
Not one item listed how they would eliminate the wretched smell.
 
2014-07-20 05:50:51 PM  

Tchernobog: dantheman195: CigaretteSmokingMan: What they need to do is fix up that shiathole of a town. The place is a disgrace. Camden-by-the-Sea.

You have never been to Asbury Park, especially in the 90's to mid 2000's, it looked like the US armed forces bombed it, could have sworn you left NJ and ended up in Detroit with an ocean view. Yes it was that bad. "War zone by the sea"

Now it has improved a little bit, but still has a way to go.

Government promises to fix it, but never fixes anything, just makes it worse.....

Asbury park is good enough for God.

You saying you're better than God?

/though, I guess god did get her ass kicked in as bury park.
//you win
///skeeball.


Fun Fact, the production crew had to "remodel" the boardwalk in order to shoot that scene, the boardwalk was in such disrepair that it was unsafe to walk on it, so the production company got permission to rebuild a 200-300ft stretch of boardwalk for that scene.
 
2014-07-20 05:53:01 PM  

dantheman195: Tchernobog: dantheman195: CigaretteSmokingMan: What they need to do is fix up that shiathole of a town. The place is a disgrace. Camden-by-the-Sea.

You have never been to Asbury Park, especially in the 90's to mid 2000's, it looked like the US armed forces bombed it, could have sworn you left NJ and ended up in Detroit with an ocean view. Yes it was that bad. "War zone by the sea"

Now it has improved a little bit, but still has a way to go.

Government promises to fix it, but never fixes anything, just makes it worse.....

Asbury park is good enough for God.

You saying you're better than God?

/though, I guess god did get her ass kicked in as bury park.
//you win
///skeeball.

Fun Fact, the production crew had to "remodel" the boardwalk in order to shoot that scene, the boardwalk was in such disrepair that it was unsafe to walk on it, so the production company got permission to rebuild a 200-300ft stretch of boardwalk for that scene.


No shiat? I've actually never been to nj, outside of driving through.

I do, however, love random trivia like that.

I could probably be a doctor if stupid trivia didn't take up so much space in my brain.
 
2014-07-20 05:53:10 PM  

nyseattitude: Not one item listed how they would eliminate the wretched smell.


Sounds like a marketing opportunity for Febreeze.
 
2014-07-20 06:10:10 PM  
I have an idea...

...Monorail.

no, i just don't get it.
 
2014-07-20 06:40:45 PM  
Obligatory Video

/waiting for the 2014 version
 
2014-07-20 07:31:42 PM  

LessO2: Seems like AC needs to do what Vegas has done, and focus on everything but gambling.  The article seems to say that, but it's going to take a lot to get people to come back.  Gotta start somewhere though I guess.

/still laughing at the power-smoke/four machine line
//cause it's true


They've been doing that since it became clear in 2003 that PA would legalize slots.

The problem is that AC will never be able to compete with Philly and NYC on retail, entertainment and food.
 
2014-07-20 07:40:50 PM  
"watch the tram car please"

AC has been a failure from the beginning. The casinos were supposed lift the community out of the shiathole it was....never happened.
 
2014-07-20 08:23:01 PM  
 
2014-07-20 08:25:44 PM  
I can't see what else can really be done in Atlantic City. If most of the casinos go away, what is going to replace it? Shopping? You can shop anywhere, and there is nothing different 'down the shore' compared to the local suburban outlet mall. A Bass Pro Shops? Anyone else think this seems kind of out of place? And how many conventions are really going to be held in a place that is quite a drive from a major city?
I blame the casinos themselves as well. Sure, the chain-smoking granny gambler gets free rooms now and then, but just look at the rates at any of the casinos during a weekday. ~Eighty dollars (which includes almost no amenities)? As an average person, that isn't going to entice me to come down and gamble/drink/whatever.

Maybe they can remodel all the casinos and turn them into old-people complexes and AC can become the 'Florida of the North?'
 
2014-07-20 08:27:06 PM  
With increased competition coming in MA I'm sure they'll lose a lot of the folks who are tired of going to Mohegan or Foxwoods.
 
2014-07-20 08:30:04 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: DEREGULATION
State officials reduced some of the regulations the casinos found burdensome and costly as part of a regulatory remake a few years ago.

I am curious what regulations these casino owners found so "burdensome"?

It used to be a requirement that an AC casino had to have an attached hotel of at least 500 rooms. A few years ago, they lowered it to 200 rooms.

It's not entirely reasonable to call that "burdensome" - it's just the reality. If you don't want to build a hotel, don't look at AC as an option. Thirty other states have casino gaming now. And by the way, many Nevada counties and cities now require completely new casinos to build hotels as well.
 
2014-07-20 08:40:40 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: GopherGuts: Atlantic City is, and always will be, a shiathole. (I grew up nearby, and worked in and around AC -- including as a cabdriver -- for 20+ years, so I'm getting a big kick out of these replies).

AC was pretty amazing from the 19th century until the 1950s.  Once the Baby Boomers could jet off to Europe or the Caribbean for vacations, it started a downward slide, which gambling never helped.


I don't think many Baby Boomers were jetting off to Europe or the Caribbean in the 1950s. Nice try blaming them though.

2/10
 
2014-07-20 08:47:35 PM  

ferretman: "watch the tram car please"

AC has been a failure from the beginning. The casinos were supposed lift the community out of the shiathole it was....never happened.


Blame the casino reinvestment law. Gambling in AC was sold as the first step in revitalizing the entire city and the profits from the casinos would pay for it, because they'd be required to. And then the law was passed that until a casino's profits in a single year exceed the entire cost of building the casino, they didn't have to pay into the revitalization fund. Add in some creative accounting and the casinos have contributed nothing to the city beyond their walls.

I doubt this is still true, but back in the mid 80s, more money was gambled in Atlantic City than Vegas and Reno combined. Serious gamblers from the entire east cost went to AC to gamble because it was closer than Vegas/Reno. And all they wanted to do was gamble, they didn't care about the beach or shows or anything else so there was no customer base for anything outside of the casinos.
 
2014-07-20 08:54:01 PM  
Like they say. Once you hit rock bottom, its time to break out the dynamite.
 
2014-07-20 09:10:27 PM  
I fly to LV 2x a year and drive to stay in AC midweek for 2-3 nights 3 or 4 times a year between my LV trips. What AC needs to do is Lower the table minimums and undercut the Local state casinos. In LV I play mostly tables but in AC it's mainly slots. Even on the Strip in LV $10 tables are all over but try finding them in AC, all $25 & $50's! The Local state ones have high minimums too at MD Live & Delaware Park that I know of as they're sapping the closer markets, The middle class is still reeling in this economy and most people can't afford it. In LV I play more during the day Downtown & Off-Strip at $5 tables. Even played Roulette one AM after B'fast for $2 w/.50chips! At South Point they have Mini-Bac for only $5 and I haven't seen it that low Anywhere else. I told the Pit Bosses & Dealers in AC that I play Pai-Gow Poker for $5 all over in LV and they just rolled their eyes. On a $100 buy in you can play PGP all afternoon and still have something left if you don't at least break even. Try finding it under $25 in AC! A couple years ago before they closed the Claridge upstairs in Bally's they had One $10 PGP table and people were standing around 2&3 deep waiting for someone to get up and grab a seat. Revel which may go on the Block next month if they don't find a buyer was built to cater to High Rollers but was started too late into the recession so that didn't work out at all did it. To me it's simple. Just Undercut the competition during the week and people will come back but the tight Casino Execs won't do it. They still have the attitude that they're the only game in town when they aren't anymore.
 
2014-07-20 09:48:19 PM  

Tchernobog: Jeng: Gambling: a tax on those who do not know math, and a borderline illegal method of making money for those who do know math.

Or for people with self control, an entertaining way to spend a few hours.


Some of the new(-ish*) slot machines are pretty entertaining, IMHO.

* built after the 20th cent.
 
2014-07-20 10:45:06 PM  
How come the law of diminishing returns is such a mystery to people who are regarded as smart?

These guys literally gambled away hundreds of billions of dollars in investments.  That's what happens when you get used to being The House.  The House always wins and they thought they had rigged the game in their favor.
 
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