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(Salon)   Four years too late, Liberals finally throw in the towel on Obama   (salon.com ) divider line
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2014-07-20 08:28:57 AM  
I don't understand why this is news.  Some liberals have been saying this about Obama for years. That they're saying it now doesn't represent some great shift in thinking, nor does it represent a majority opinion among left leaning people.

Liberals aren't lockstep like republicans are. Just about everything field of thought is represented somewhere.  It's just most don't make it to the mainstream.
 
2014-07-20 08:40:29 AM  
So "Liberals" = one writer for Salon?
 
2014-07-20 08:46:13 AM  
I'm never voting for him again. Checkmate libtardos.
 
2014-07-20 08:55:54 AM  
The headline says he could have fought the right wing obstruction harder, but the article is slim on details as to how.
 
2014-07-20 08:56:55 AM  

EvilEgg: The headline says he could have fought the right wing obstruction harder, but the article is slim on details as to how.


Short of a Godfather type montage of all the republicans in congress getting whacked I don't see how either.
 
2014-07-20 08:57:28 AM  
Maybe I missed something but other than Obamacare, what changed?
 
2014-07-20 09:01:41 AM  
He could have done more, but he did a lot more good than his predecessor. And way better than the alternates. Every time you think Obama made a bad decision think of how worse it would be if it were McCain, Rmoney, or (God forbid) Palin.
 
2014-07-20 09:12:17 AM  

edmo: Maybe I missed something but other than Obamacare, what changed?


That's the point of the article.
 
2014-07-20 09:19:47 AM  

SphericalTime: edmo: Maybe I missed something but other than Obamacare, what changed?

That's the point of the article.


Lilly Lebetter
Overturn of DOMA
Caught Bin Laden
Increased minimum wage for government contractors
 
2014-07-20 09:20:22 AM  
I didn't vote for a "Give 'em hell Barry". I voted for the one candidate I saw as speaking like an adult in the '08, and '12 general elections (I could not vote for an R or D in the primaries). I hoped he could begin repairing some of the damage done by President Cheney(har har, i'm so edgy), and I believe he has made a decent start. I think his main mistake was believing there were enough sane people in Congress to work with. I don't think Mrs. Clinton will be any more "liberal" than Pres. Obama has been, either. I am really hoping not to have to resort to her as the sanest choice in 2016, but I have yet to see the Republicans present any candidate so far this cycle that I would vote for President. I think the idea of a husband and wife serving as President to be somewhat disturbing. I think I would rather see a  Feingold/Warren, Warren/Feingold ticket.

/but my opinion is just that, my 2¢
 
2014-07-20 09:27:57 AM  

mutterfark: I didn't vote for a "Give 'em hell Barry". I voted for the one candidate I saw as speaking like an adult in the '08, and '12 general elections (I could not vote for an R or D in the primaries). I hoped he could begin repairing some of the damage done by President Cheney(har har, i'm so edgy), and I believe he has made a decent start. I think his main mistake was believing there were enough sane people in Congress to work with. I don't think Mrs. Clinton will be any more "liberal" than Pres. Obama has been, either. I am really hoping not to have to resort to her as the sanest choice in 2016, but I have yet to see the Republicans present any candidate so far this cycle that I would vote for President. I think the idea of a husband and wife serving as President to be somewhat disturbing. I think I would rather see a  Feingold/Warren, Warren/Feingold ticket.

/but my opinion is just that, my 2¢


Still say Warren/Sanders
 
2014-07-20 09:31:20 AM  

edmo: Maybe I missed something but other than Obamacare, what changed?


Osama would like a word with you, but he's dead.

Gaddafi would like a word with you, but he's dead.

The second great depression would like a word with you, but it didn't happen because of the stimulus and auto bailout.

The thousands of gay servicemen and women would like a word with you, and they can publicly because don't ask don't tell is no more.

The banks would like to hide some words in an unreadable overly complex contract for you, but they can't because of the CFPB.

Women that find out they have been unfairly underpaid for years and have no recourse would like a word with you, but they now have recourse thanks to the Lilly Ledbetter fair pay act.

Hundreds US military and Iraqi or Afghani civilians would like a word with you, and they can since they aren't dead because Obama got us out (or is getting us out) of those stupid, useless, immoral wars.
 
2014-07-20 09:33:13 AM  
Shakes fist at enry
 
2014-07-20 09:36:56 AM  

Dinki: Shakes fist at enry


You have a better and more complete list. I'm mobile.
 
2014-07-20 09:40:13 AM  
i595.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-20 09:41:13 AM  

enry: mutterfark:

Still say Warren/Sanders


I would be okay with that ticket as well. I make no claim to be a wonk, though I do try to keep up. My only concern with Sen. Sanders would be his age, and how much of an issue his opponents might be able to make of it.
 
2014-07-20 09:43:24 AM  

mutterfark: enry: mutterfark:

Still say Warren/Sanders

I would be okay with that ticket as well. I make no claim to be a wonk, though I do try to keep up. My only concern with Sen. Sanders would be his age, and how much of an issue his opponents might be able to make of it.


Is why I made him Veep.

"You want to see a REAL socialist?"
 
2014-07-20 09:43:30 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: [i595.photobucket.com image 490x490]


thelifeinexile.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-20 09:44:33 AM  

3.bp.blogspot.com

 
2014-07-20 09:45:18 AM  

www.militarylulz.com

There are a few good digs out there is pic form against Obama.  Not many.  But a few.

 
2014-07-20 09:52:18 AM  

Chris Ween: There are a few good digs out there is pic form against Obama.  Not many.  But a few.



When are you going to post the good ones?
 
2014-07-20 09:55:08 AM  
In point of fact, there were plenty of things Obama's Democrats could have done that might have put the right out of business once and for all-

Go on...

for example, by responding more aggressively to the Great Recession or by pounding relentlessly on the theme of middle-class economic distress.

[hahahaohwow]

Look, I like ya TF, but that would have done little to nothing much less "put the right out of business".

At the end of the day Obama will be seen as one of the few adults left in the room when DC turned into a madhouse.

A guy who kept his head about him when those around him went nuts.

At his worst he will be seen as a guy who came into office with great expectations only to be thwarted by the Tea Tard astro-turfed revolution of 2010.

Beyond the NSA spying thing and the drone thing he will be seen as a guy who compromised too much with people who never dealt with him in good faith.

He was also the guy who got Bin Laden, got America out of 2 boots-on-the-ground wars, got more people better access to health care and kept the radical right from imploding the American economy.

So there's that.

Disillusionment is, after all, a far more representative emotion of our times than Beltway satisfaction over the stability of some imaginary "center." So why not memorialize it?

"Disillusioned" is actually a good word.

It means free from lies.

I'd rather hear a hard truth than a comforting lie.

I also much rather be among the disillusioned left than the delusional right any day.
 
2014-07-20 10:01:46 AM  

Chris Ween: [www.militarylulz.com image 336x480]There are a few good digs out there is pic form against Obama.  Not many.  But a few.


Notify us when you find one.
 
2014-07-20 10:03:17 AM  
I hate to break it to everyone, but Obama is a product of the Chicago democratic machine, and is still tied to them in many ways.

Enough said.
 
2014-07-20 10:04:02 AM  

quatchi: I also much rather be among the disillusioned left than the delusional right any day


Well said.
 
2014-07-20 10:06:30 AM  
I voted for Obama to keep the GOP from driving the ship of state over a cliff. The second time, with painful reluctance.

If you voted for Obama because you thought he was a liberal, you really weren't paying attention.
 
2014-07-20 10:09:34 AM  

quatchi: "Disillusioned" is actually a good word.

It means free from lies.

I'd rather hear a hard truth than a comforting lie.

I also much rather be among the disillusioned left than the delusional right any day


Your whole post really, but this in particular.

/had you farkied as  smart, well spoken for good reason
 
2014-07-20 10:24:00 AM  

gilgigamesh: I voted for Obama to keep the GOP from driving the ship of state over a cliff. The second time, with painful reluctance.

If you voted for Obama because you thought he was a liberal, you really weren't paying attention.


I voted for him the first time because he was black and I thought that would be neat.

I voted for him the second time because I didn't want to throw away my vote on my former governor.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-07-20 10:31:18 AM  
It was always inevitable.  No one who is moderate enough to be elected will ever be liberal enough to satisfy the liberal wing of the Democratic party, and no one who is pragmatic enough to govern will be idealistic enough.
 
2014-07-20 10:35:51 AM  

Dinki: Chris Ween: There are a few good digs out there is pic form against Obama.  Not many.  But a few.


When are you going to post the good ones?


I thought that last one had some potential, but it wasn't executed as well as it could have been.
 
2014-07-20 10:39:18 AM  

Relatively Obscure: I thought that last one had some potential, but it wasn't executed as well as it could have been.


Well the boasting that Bush could fly a plane is a bit undercut by this

mobizond.com
 
2014-07-20 10:45:44 AM  

Mugato: Well the boasting that Bush could fly a plane is a bit undercut by this


Heh!  Yeah, but that stuff never matters when making these little pictures.  Props to him for at least apparently not faceplanting, though.  That and the shoe dodge probably puts him at more spry than my worthless ass'll be at his age.
 
2014-07-20 10:52:34 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Mugato: Well the boasting that Bush could fly a plane is a bit undercut by this

Heh!  Yeah, but that stuff never matters when making these little pictures.  Props to him for at least apparently not faceplanting, though.  That and the shoe dodge probably puts him at more spry than my worthless ass'll be at his age.


I know I should be more upset than I am that some douchebag threw a shoe at one of our presidents but that was some amusing shiat.  W still had some spring in his step.  I think my favorite part is he immediately bounces back upright at the podium with a "Let's do it again!" look on his face.
 
2014-07-20 10:56:12 AM  
Lol mod is trolling
 
2014-07-20 10:58:54 AM  
Still better than the alternative... both times.
 
2014-07-20 10:59:26 AM  
TL;DR version of the article:

"I do not understand how checks and balances work."  - Salon
 
2014-07-20 11:00:07 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: I know I should be more upset than I am that some douchebag threw a shoe at one of our presidents but that was some amusing shiat.  W still had some spring in his step.  I think my favorite part is he immediately bounces back upright at the podium with a "Let's do it again!" look on his face.


i44.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-20 11:02:19 AM  
A middling  moderate is the best we can expect to vote into the presidency.

Because Republicans always vote and Democrats sometimes vote.  Until that changes nothing will change.
 
2014-07-20 11:02:20 AM  
If you thought Obama was a liberal instead of a moderate you weren't paying attention.
 
2014-07-20 11:03:07 AM  

Chris Ween: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 500x350]


Tim Pawlenty? The guy who's most well known thing as Governor of Minnesota was a bridge collapsing?

onlyallowedtotour.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-07-20 11:05:46 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Still better than the alternative... both times.


Three times, for registered Democrats.
 
2014-07-20 11:05:48 AM  
Obama's 2 terms have been, for the most part, the continuation of the policies of George W. Bush. The exception was the ACA which was the product of right wing think tanks ad is modeled after the conservative health care of Switzerland.

So, no. Obama hasn't been a liberal. The Republican screaming has been a ritual Noh play, a cynical money raising habit, neurosis about black skin, and/or the usual disgusting narcissism of politicians everywhere.
 
2014-07-20 11:05:58 AM  

Fart_Machine: If you thought Obama was a liberal instead of a moderate you weren't paying attention.


Of the three main candidates in the 2008 Democratic primary, the closest thing to a real liberal was also a raging douchebag who found perhaps the most spectacular way to implode his own chances.
 
2014-07-20 11:06:00 AM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Lol mod is trolling


lol another interdasting fact, you can put a mod on ignore -- didn't think any proper working forum would allow that.
 
2014-07-20 11:07:01 AM  

Chris Ween: Doctor Funkenstein: [i595.photobucket.com image 490x490]

[thelifeinexile.files.wordpress.com image 389x500]


What's worse now than January 8th, 2009?
 
2014-07-20 11:08:49 AM  
 But we were promised hope and change on big issues. We got no vision and less action

Nobody's fault but the author's for not grasping the simple civics-101 concept (as you'd think a best-selling political author would) that THAT'S NOT HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS.

Ambivalence: Liberals aren't lockstep like republicans are.


Which is why they're all just pleased as punch about Rand Paul, Justin Amash etc., amirite?

The social conservatives are constantly trying to purge whoever they deem a RINO, the crony-capitalist conservatives are forever attempting to bring down the libertarians, McCain won't stop pissing and moaning about anybody in his party who's insufficiently bellicose, and the talk-show-bullshiat-artist conservatives couldn't give a fark about legislation on its merits except as it affects their chances to make piles of money on book deals, speaking gigs and radio shows (looking at YOU, Huckabee, Palin, Bachmann).

vpb: It was always inevitable.  No one who is moderate enough to be elected will ever be liberal enough to satisfy the liberal wing of the Democratic party, and no one who is pragmatic enough to govern will be idealistic enough.


Wow, somebody making sense. Obama had to talk like Howard Dean but govern like the Clintons (minus Bill's political mojo). What a surprise.

It was also inevitable that he'd be seduced by the prospect of grabbing power for the executive branch after biatching about it as a senator when Bush was president.

Long as the major party candidates refuse to make, and live up to, a promise that they will reverse this trend, I'm going to keep voting for whichever third party can "ruin things" for one of the other two.
 
2014-07-20 11:09:26 AM  

Ambivalence: I don't understand why this is news.  Some liberals have been saying this about Obama for years. That they're saying it now doesn't represent some great shift in thinking, nor does it represent a majority opinion among left leaning people.

Liberals aren't lockstep like republicans are. Just about everything field of thought is represented somewhere.  It's just most don't make it to the mainstream.


Obvious troll (i.e., the Salon author, not you) is obvious.  July is a month when not much happens, so if you have a deadline, you put your stick in last year's muck and stir.
 
2014-07-20 11:09:45 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Relatively Obscure: Mugato: Well the boasting that Bush could fly a plane is a bit undercut by this

Heh!  Yeah, but that stuff never matters when making these little pictures.  Props to him for at least apparently not faceplanting, though.  That and the shoe dodge probably puts him at more spry than my worthless ass'll be at his age.

I know I should be more upset than I am that some douchebag threw a shoe at one of our presidents but that was some amusing shiat.  W still had some spring in his step.  I think my favorite part is he immediately bounces back upright at the podium with a "Let's do it again!" look on his face.


That was pretty impressive for a dude his age.  It would've been epic had he caught it and chucked it right back, Eric Draven style.
 
2014-07-20 11:10:14 AM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-20 11:12:02 AM  
I hate hack writers with deadlines
 
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