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2014-07-20 08:17:16 AM  
It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.
 
2014-07-20 08:28:58 AM  

Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.


If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.
 
2014-07-20 08:30:24 AM  

spawn73: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.


Gah!  If only we'd known how the internet works!
 
2014-07-20 08:31:46 AM  
Overzealous comrad, nothing to see here.
 
2014-07-20 08:32:28 AM  
Possibly the only good thing to come out of this will be that more people see the KGB thug-in-charge for who he really is.

The problem is that Putin would be perfectly happy to see Russia's economy collapse and life expectancy drop as long as those dead Russians support him before they're buried. So maybe he wants isolation from the rest of the world.
 
2014-07-20 08:34:58 AM  
I really do wonder if the average Russian buys into all the propaganda that Putin and the state spews or if they know it's bullshiat. Is the internet in Russia filtered at all? It's not like our news is 100% unbiased, but at least it's easy to find a multitude of different sources and viewpoints.
 
2014-07-20 08:36:43 AM  

spawn73: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.



One wouldn't be sufficient. I think you would need seven.
 
2014-07-20 08:38:37 AM  
The peoples republic of rocket launchers?
 
2014-07-20 08:40:33 AM  
I blame Putin's self-touted conversion to Russian Orthodox. He saw how classy the Serbs were in Bosnia. And since Kiev switched over to Roman Catholic at the first chance, Putin needed a church that at least wouldn't condemn organized crime, the way Francis does, and instead even worship it.  Without criminal muscle, how is anyone expected to terrorize conquer and rule?  Putin's in line for sainthood for his jihad against the infidel who don't byzantine©.
 
2014-07-20 08:40:58 AM  

abhorrent1: The peoples republic of rocket launchers?


The people's democratic republic of freedom, liberty and rocket launchers
 
2014-07-20 08:41:23 AM  

Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.


Russia never seems to be very good at lying convincingly.
 
2014-07-20 08:43:53 AM  

Snarfangel: spawn73: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.


One wouldn't be sufficient. I think you would need seven.


No, you need seven boxxy's to be safe.

/pet peave
 
2014-07-20 08:44:06 AM  
Rebel militia hardware:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-07-20 08:45:04 AM  
Fark forgets that Russia controls all possible media that might be so bold as to report on this, and doesn't give a fark anyway.
 
2014-07-20 08:46:52 AM  
There's never going to be any conclusive proof. The crew that fired the missile is surely already dead, executed within hours of it happening. The machine that launched it is already in Russia being dismantled. The truth will never be known. We know what kind of missile it was and from where it was launched, but whose finger was on the button will never be known. There's that conversation with the rebel leaders that roughly says, "Oh fark, we shot down a civilian plane and there are bodies all over the farking place," but beyond that, there will be nothing else. Nobody's going to trial, nobody's getting punished, and there will be enough doubt for Russia's supporters to keep supporting Russia, for Ukranian separatists to keep being separate, and for the rest of the world to just keep scratching its head.
 
2014-07-20 08:48:40 AM  

moeburn: Rebel militia hardware:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x536]


I doubt they bought that on Ebay.
 
2014-07-20 08:51:19 AM  

Lanadapter: abhorrent1: The peoples republic of rocket launchers?

The people's democratic republic of freedom, liberty and rocket launchers


So they're a part of the Tea Party?
 
2014-07-20 08:52:01 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Fark forgets that Russia controls all possible media that might be so bold as to report on this, and doesn't give a fark anyway.


It's not news, it's FAЯK.
 
2014-07-20 08:55:22 AM  
The idea that "self-armed rebel militias" launched a Buk is ridiculous.  It is more likely that Ukraine launched it than "self armed rebels".  But it is also more likely that Russian soldiers launched it than Ukraine.
 
2014-07-20 08:55:36 AM  

Enlightened Liberal: I really do wonder if the average Russian buys into all the propaganda that Putin and the state spews or if they know it's bullshiat. Is the internet in Russia filtered at all? It's not like our news is 100% unbiased, but at least it's easy to find a multitude of different sources and viewpoints.


They know it's bullshiat and so are the massive approval ratings. Just had an interesting conversation with my best friends Belarusian girlfriend who is currently living in Moscow the middle classes are well aware that they are being lied to about Ukraine and MH17. It's only the uneducated Russians i.e. their equivalent of the tea part who strongly back Putin.
 
2014-07-20 08:58:46 AM  

dracos31: Snarfangel: spawn73: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.


One wouldn't be sufficient. I think you would need seven.

No, you need seven boxxy's to be safe.

/pet peave


Seven Boxxskis, Comrade.
 
2014-07-20 09:01:31 AM  

Enlightened Liberal: I really do wonder if the average Russian buys into all the propaganda that Putin and the state spews or if they know it's bullshiat. Is the internet in Russia filtered at all? It's not like our news is 100% unbiased, but at least it's easy to find a multitude of different sources and viewpoints.


Au contraire. News, like a good man, is hard to find in Russia. More accurately expensive. After a heart-to-heart with a Jew from Russia who just returned from Petrograd, the economics of skirting propaganda makes it difficult. The state TV is subsidized by the oil companies. The TV sets are subsidized by teh oil companies. Cable and satellite are expensive, like the Whole Foods of news. About 75% of the people couldn't bother about alternate media.

They worship Putin as a saviour. The propaganda is so surreal that it would make Alex Jones and the other shock jocks look boring.  Germans talking about the heady days of depression Germany in the 30s say at some point the popularity of the leader was so overwhelming that feeling very alone was the only reward from hearing the news from outside. Not that Putin tried to get accepted into the Viennese art academy, but the crowd source is stuck on one channel like back then.
 
2014-07-20 09:01:55 AM  

spawn73: If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.


Snarfangel: One wouldn't be sufficient. I think you would need seven.


oi62.tinypic.com
 
2014-07-20 09:01:58 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: dracos31: Snarfangel: spawn73: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.


One wouldn't be sufficient. I think you would need seven.

No, you need seven boxxy's to be safe.

/pet peave

Seven Boxxskis, Comrade.


One proxy only.
 
2014-07-20 09:04:54 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Fark forgets that Russia controls all possible media that might be so bold as to report on this, and doesn't give a fark anyway.


Maybe the Kremlin is ran by honey badgers....?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-07-20 09:04:56 AM  
I gather they were editing the Russian Wikipedia, and we're seeing translations.
 
2014-07-20 09:06:45 AM  
In soviet russia, seven proxies hide behind you!
 
2014-07-20 09:07:19 AM  
Calling bullshiat. Out of anyone Russia and China(hacks) would know very goddamn well
 
2014-07-20 09:08:00 AM  
Let's look at the bright side, people. At least the article didn't say that they <i>hacked</i> Wikipedia.
 
2014-07-20 09:08:26 AM  

moeburn: The idea that "self-armed rebel militias" launched a Buk is ridiculous.  It is more likely that Ukraine launched it than "self armed rebels".  But it is also more likely that Russian soldiers launched it than Ukraine.


They are one and the same only about a quarter maybe less are actually pro Russian Ukrainians the rest are Russian soldiers
 
2014-07-20 09:11:24 AM  
The Russian Language Wikipedia was edited from a Russian IP address.  Shocking.
 
2014-07-20 09:11:35 AM  

moeburn: Rebel militia hardware:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x536]


Bullocks. Those are Brave Russian freedom fighters, like your George Washington. Why wouldn't Mother Russia supply her children?

stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2014-07-20 09:12:15 AM  
Shall we play a game.
 
2014-07-20 09:12:21 AM  

moeburn: The idea that "self-armed rebel militias" launched a Buk is ridiculous.  It is more likely that Ukraine launched it than "self armed rebels".  But it is also more likely that Russian soldiers launched it than Ukraine.


Also, you do know that there is a great chance that many of those "Self-armed rebel militias" are made up of people who served in the Ukrainian and Russian armed forces, right?

These are not just a bunch of third world potato farmers.
 
2014-07-20 09:15:41 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

Russia never seems to be very good at lying convincingly.


Dunno, they used to be experts at it when Walter Duranty was helping them. I think when they abandoned communism, they lost the love of the international media, who are the true kings of propaganda. But they also didn't do the things necessary to survive in mechanistic reality, like sober up, so now they're stuck.

/and in spite of all the media's power to twist everyone's perceptions, they still can't make socialism work
//not that they'll ever stop trying
 
2014-07-20 09:16:02 AM  

scathing1: The Russian Language Wikipedia was edited from a Russian IP address.  Shocking.


Not a Russian IP address. A Russian government IP address. It's a bot that specifically keeps track of edits made by the Russian government to Wikipedia.
 
2014-07-20 09:20:59 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

Russia never seems to be very good at lying convincingly.


Back in the good all days they could just pack anyone who wasn't convinced (or was bad at faking it) off to the gulag.  They seem to have forgotten they can't send the rest of the world.

There may not be gulags any more, but there are "Siberian penal colonies", most recently home to Pussy Riot.

At this point I'm just going to make a point of disbelieving anything that comes out of the Kremlin.
 
2014-07-20 09:25:23 AM  
Dumb Russians.  Of course the KGB made those changes, because everyone knows that spoofing IP addresses is impossible.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address_spoofing
 
2014-07-20 09:26:52 AM  

Coming on a Bicycle: Fark forgets that Russia controls all possible media that might be so bold as to report on this, and doesn't give a fark anyway.


Everyone knows they are lying all the time. And they don't give a fark anyways.
 
2014-07-20 09:29:25 AM  

moeburn: The idea that "self-armed rebel militias" launched a Buk is ridiculous.  It is more likely that Ukraine launched it than "self armed rebels".  But it is also more likely that Russian soldiers launched it than Ukraine.


I have come to the conclusion that it is more likely the Ukraine shot it down then anyone else.

The rebels : Doubtful that they could get the system up and running or operate it , so other then pointing it at the sky and firing off a missile and having the luckiest shot ever , Than no it was not the rebels

The Russians : Trained military members could operate it , they would also be able to tell the difference between an airliner going toward Russia and a fighter jet or anything else the Ukrainians in way of aircraft.

The Ukrainians  : They have the same system and may have thought the airliner was a Russian military aircraft doing reccon/ signals intel and thought  here's their chance to show that Russian military has crossed the border violating international law, but have to shoot it down before it crosses in to Russian airspace.

So it comes down to , Very lucky rebels or trigger happy Ukraines thinking that they would have a great propaganda Coup and have the international community on their side if they shoot down the unknown plane, but have to do it now!!
 
2014-07-20 09:33:13 AM  
I doubt a bunch of rebels were involved...since these missles need radar, tracking, and guidance systems to make a hit. You just don't shoot these missles and expect a hit. Either the Ukrainian or Russian military is responsible. For Russians to be involved...they had to be tracking flight early into its entrance into UKR airspace
 
2014-07-20 09:33:48 AM  

Enlightened Liberal: I really do wonder if the average Russian buys into all the propaganda that Putin and the state spews or if they know it's bullshiat. Is the internet in Russia filtered at all? It's not like our news is 100% unbiased, but at least it's easy to find a multitude of different sources and viewpoints.


Count farkers who believe it and think again
 
2014-07-20 09:34:21 AM  

Magic_Button: moeburn: The idea that "self-armed rebel militias" launched a Buk is ridiculous.  It is more likely that Ukraine launched it than "self armed rebels".  But it is also more likely that Russian soldiers launched it than Ukraine.

I have come to the conclusion that it is more likely the Ukraine shot it down then anyone else.

The rebels : Doubtful that they could get the system up and running or operate it , so other then pointing it at the sky and firing off a missile and having the luckiest shot ever , Than no it was not the rebels

The Russians : Trained military members could operate it , they would also be able to tell the difference between an airliner going toward Russia and a fighter jet or anything else the Ukrainians in way of aircraft.

The Ukrainians  : They have the same system and may have thought the airliner was a Russian military aircraft doing reccon/ signals intel and thought  here's their chance to show that Russian military has crossed the border violating international law, but have to shoot it down before it crosses in to Russian airspace.

So it comes down to , Very lucky rebels or trigger happy Ukraines thinking that they would have a great propaganda Coup and have the international community on their side if they shoot down the unknown plane, but have to do it now!!


Just so you know, people stopped paying attention to the "follow the money" argument when the 9/11 Truthers started doing it.

/if they had called bullshiat on that argument a little earlier, like in 1935, a Holocaust could have been averted
 
2014-07-20 09:36:55 AM  

Magic_Button: moeburn: The idea that "self-armed rebel militias" launched a Buk is ridiculous.  It is more likely that Ukraine launched it than "self armed rebels".  But it is also more likely that Russian soldiers launched it than Ukraine.

I have come to the conclusion that it is more likely the Ukraine shot it down then anyone else.

The rebels : Doubtful that they could get the system up and running or operate it , so other then pointing it at the sky and firing off a missile and having the luckiest shot ever , Than no it was not the rebels

The Russians : Trained military members could operate it , they would also be able to tell the difference between an airliner going toward Russia and a fighter jet or anything else the Ukrainians in way of aircraft.

The Ukrainians  : They have the same system and may have thought the airliner was a Russian military aircraft doing reccon/ signals intel and thought  here's their chance to show that Russian military has crossed the border violating international law, but have to shoot it down before it crosses in to Russian airspace.

So it comes down to , Very lucky rebels or trigger happy Ukraines thinking that they would have a great propaganda Coup and have the international community on their side if they shoot down the unknown plane, but have to do it now!!


Two issues

1. Why would the Russians be able to figure out that the craft was a commercial liner, but not the Ukrainians?

2. Why wouldn't the rebels be able to shoot it down with supplied weapons?
 
2014-07-20 09:37:22 AM  

Magic_Button: The Russians : Trained military members could operate it , they would also be able to tell the difference between an airliner going toward Russia and a fighter jet or anything else the Ukrainians in way of aircraft.

The Ukrainians : They have the same system and may have thought the airliner was a Russian military aircraft doing reccon/ signals intel and thought here's their chance to show that Russian military has crossed the border violating international law, but have to shoot it down before it crosses in to Russian airspace.


Why would the Russians be able to tell that its a civilian plane and the Ukrainians wouldn't be able too? That doesn't make much sense...
 
2014-07-20 09:37:55 AM  
We're all used to seeing masked men at crash sites, or while voting or banking. Russia's trying to expand it's exports from just oil to daily work fashion.

Forget Milan, Paris, New York. They're not rebels, they're not Russian military intelligence commandos, they're not grave robbers, they're the armed fashion police with what will be in style as far west as Putin can get.

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2014-07-20 09:39:39 AM  

Tatterdemalian: HMS_Blinkin: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

Russia never seems to be very good at lying convincingly.

Dunno, they used to be experts at it when Walter Duranty was helping them. I think when they abandoned communism, they lost the love of the international media, who are the true kings of propaganda. But they also didn't do the things necessary to survive in mechanistic reality, like sober up, so now they're stuck.

/and in spite of all the media's power to twist everyone's perceptions, they still can't make socialism work
//not that they'll ever stop trying


I don't know. Their use of Russia Today is actually pretty clever. Dressing it up to look like a legit news organization and hiring American useful idiots to disguise its origin. Plus by spamming their stuff all over the internet they put out a counter narrative which fools some and supports the 50-rublers.
 
2014-07-20 09:41:22 AM  

BitwiseShift: I blame Putin's self-touted conversion to Russian Orthodox. He saw how classy the Serbs were in Bosnia. And since Kiev switched over to Roman Catholic at the first chance, Putin needed a church that at least wouldn't condemn organized crime, the way Francis does, and instead even worship it.  Without criminal muscle, how is anyone expected to terrorize conquer and rule?  Putin's in line for sainthood for his jihad against the infidel who don't byzantine©.


You're being favorited as " in line for sainthood for his jihad against the infidel who don't byzantine".
 
2014-07-20 09:53:51 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: FirstNationalBastard: dracos31: Snarfangel: spawn73: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

If they had used a proxy, it would totally had worked.


One wouldn't be sufficient. I think you would need seven.

No, you need seven boxxy's to be safe.

/pet peave

Seven Boxxskis, Comrade.

One proxy only.


Verify our range, one Boxxy only, please.
 
2014-07-20 09:55:15 AM  

ShonenBat: Tatterdemalian: HMS_Blinkin: Ambivalence: It's going to take more than a Wikipedia page to convince the world.  That they'd even try is kind of pathetic.

Russia never seems to be very good at lying convincingly.

Dunno, they used to be experts at it when Walter Duranty was helping them. I think when they abandoned communism, they lost the love of the international media, who are the true kings of propaganda. But they also didn't do the things necessary to survive in mechanistic reality, like sober up, so now they're stuck.

/and in spite of all the media's power to twist everyone's perceptions, they still can't make socialism work
//not that they'll ever stop trying

I don't know. Their use of Russia Today is actually pretty clever. Dressing it up to look like a legit news organization and hiring American useful idiots to disguise its origin. Plus by spamming their stuff all over the internet they put out a counter narrative which fools some and supports the 50-rublers.



so... Like Fox News

 
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