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(Washington Post)   Has Weird Al Yankovic ushered in a new age of the grammar nazi? What hast thou wrought, Al? What hast thou wrought?   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 86
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2014-07-20 08:53:39 AM  
I can't believe someone wrote an entire article about a grammar mistake in a movie title.  Like they've never heard of artistic license.  Sometimes, in literature or movies grammatical mistakes are intentional and designed to provide subtext.  Deal with it.
 
2014-07-20 10:07:19 AM  
Is it Weird Al week on Fark for some reason?

Totally not complaining.

Loved the vid. Reminded me off Schoolhouse Rock kind of.
 
2014-07-20 10:27:57 AM  
Okay, maybe one of you jackbooted myrmidons of linguistic correctness can help me out with something. Since moving to Canada, I've been noticing people (including my otherwise-brilliant Canadian wife) starting sentences with "as well". I'll get a student paper with something like this in it: "Twenge's cross-temporal meta-analysis indicates a rise in NPI scores across the past few decades. As well, she found parallel increases in other variables, including..."

My brain keeps screaming "that's backwards!", but it seems to be everywhere. So is this a Canadian thing? Is it technically correct and widely used, and I've just managed to go through my pre-Canadian life without encountering it? Is it just plain wrong, and I should put it on the list of things to yell at my students about?
 
2014-07-20 10:30:12 AM  

quatchi: Is it Weird Al week on Fark for some reason?


I guess you missed the bit about how he just released a new album and he's releasing eight videos in eight days to promote said album?
 
2014-07-20 10:35:35 AM  

Shostie: quatchi: Is it Weird Al week on Fark for some reason?

I guess you missed the bit about how he just released a new album and he's releasing eight videos in eight days to promote said album?


Naw, I been reading the threads. I'm just happy the man seems to be getting his due media wise and that Fark is keeping up. Good album is good.

Son of Thunder: So is this a Canadian thing?


Never heard people use that. "In addition" sometimes.

 Most Canucks know would go with "She also..." rather than "As well, she..."
 
2014-07-20 10:41:37 AM  
The subjunctive is not necessarily counterfactual; it is merely hypothetical.  Like OJ's book, "If I Had Done It" is what it should have been, but I think he called it "If I Did It" because football players aren't known for their command of the English language - the whole thing was a subjunctive exercise into how he would have killed, if he were the killer.  That doesn't mean that he wasn't the killer, merely that it was how he would have done it if he had in fact done it. Penis.
 
2014-07-20 10:44:55 AM  

quatchi: Loved the vid. Reminded me off Schoolhouse Rock kind of. kind've


Sorry, pet peeve.
 
2014-07-20 10:50:11 AM  
There. Their, They're, calm down everyone.
 
2014-07-20 10:54:29 AM  
On the 'lost cause' verse, there's an ABC logo at the bottom right, which says something to the effect of:

learn your abc's

I was taught that an apostrophe does not belong here. Discuss.
 
2014-07-20 10:55:17 AM  
Official Presidential petition to have Weird Al as this year's Super Bowl halftime entertainment:

http://wh.gov/lMYKr
 
2014-07-20 10:57:38 AM  

SordidEuphemism: On the 'lost cause' verse, there's an ABC logo at the bottom right, which says something to the effect of:

learn your abc's

I was taught that an apostrophe does not belong here. Discuss.


Why do you, hate America?

/more annoying: unnecessary apostrophe's, or extra commas?
 
2014-07-20 10:58:53 AM  

fearmongert: Official Presidential petition to have Weird Al as this year's Super Bowl halftime entertainment:

http://wh.gov/lMYKr


Signed. And glad to see Al still rockin'!
 
2014-07-20 10:58:54 AM  

Son of Thunder: My brain keeps screaming "that's backwards!", but it seems to be everywhere. So is this a Canadian thing? Is it technically correct and widely used, and I've just managed to go through my pre-Canadian life without encountering it? Is it just plain wrong, and I should put it on the list of things to yell at my students about?


The subjunctive clause can go at the start, as long as you put a comma after it.
As well, she found parallel increases in other variables,
She found parallel increases in other variables as well,

But I wouldn't take my word on it. Part time grammar nazi, full time engineer and Canadian.
 
2014-07-20 11:01:31 AM  
What's with all these Weird Al stories all of a sudden. Did he die or something?
 
2014-07-20 11:03:34 AM  
Putting aside the prescriptivist view of language espoused by the song lyrics, I have to say that I thought the animation and style of the video was brilliant.

Exceedingly well done.  I laughed as much at the visual gags as I did at any of the lines.
 
2014-07-20 11:03:53 AM  

abhorrent1: What's with all these Weird Al stories all of a sudden. Did he die or something?


He released a new album this week, his first in years, and his last.  He's putting out music videos for 8 of the songs on the album.  Al videos are always great.
 
2014-07-20 11:04:24 AM  

syrynxx: The subjunctive is not necessarily counterfactual; it is merely hypothetical.  Like OJ's book, "If I Had Done It" is what it should have been, but I think he called it "If I Did It" because football players aren't known for their command of the English language - the whole thing was a subjunctive exercise into how he would have killed, if he were the killer.  That doesn't mean that he wasn't the killer, merely that it was how he would have done it if he had in fact done it. Penis.


I wasn't convinced by your argument right up until that last sentence, which made it irrefutable. Vagina.
 
2014-07-20 11:06:10 AM  

abhorrent1: What's with all these Weird Al stories all of a sudden. Did he die or something?


I think his parents did.
 
2014-07-20 11:08:39 AM  

Ambivalence: I can't believe someone wrote an entire article about a grammar mistake in a movie title.  Like they've never heard of artistic license.  Sometimes, in literature or movies grammatical mistakes are intentional and designed to provide subtext.  Deal with it.


Sure, they can be intentional. Or, an ignorant writer can retcon a reason for his poor grammar.
 
2014-07-20 11:09:24 AM  
img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-07-20 11:10:53 AM  

Son of Thunder: Okay, maybe one of you jackbooted myrmidons of linguistic correctness can help me out with something. Since moving to Canada, I've been noticing people (including my otherwise-brilliant Canadian wife) starting sentences with "as well". I'll get a student paper with something like this in it: "Twenge's cross-temporal meta-analysis indicates a rise in NPI scores across the past few decades. As well, she found parallel increases in other variables, including..."

My brain keeps screaming "that's backwards!", but it seems to be everywhere. So is this a Canadian thing? Is it technically correct and widely used, and I've just managed to go through my pre-Canadian life without encountering it? Is it just plain wrong, and I should put it on the list of things to yell at my students about?


You may be experiencing a regionalism. Please raise your seat and return all trays to the upright and locked position. Also, please fasten your seatbelt.

Now, where I led off that last sentence with "also," substitute "as well." You may be more used to the former than the latter but there's nothing wrong with either.
 
2014-07-20 11:13:02 AM  
Thanks Dr Demento.

Now git off a me lawn!
 
2014-07-20 11:19:32 AM  

ValisIV: abhorrent1: What's with all these Weird Al stories all of a sudden. Did he die or something?

I think his parents did.



But he bravely sings in this hour of sorrow.

/I know why the sad Al sings.
 
2014-07-20 11:22:22 AM  

SordidEuphemism: On the 'lost cause' verse, there's an ABC logo at the bottom right, which says something to the effect of:

learn your abc's

I was taught that an apostrophe does not belong here. Discuss.


Image in question:
img.fark.net
 
2014-07-20 11:24:39 AM  

Snarfangel: ValisIV: abhorrent1: What's with all these Weird Al stories all of a sudden. Did he die or something?

I think his parents did.


But he bravely sings in this hour of sorrow.

/I know why the sad Al sings.


It's his destiny to be the king of suede
 
2014-07-20 11:26:52 AM  

Tom_Slick: There. Their, They're, calm down everyone.


To answer Subby, it's more of a tipping point brought on by people who are so non-lingual that they can't figure out that, say, the word is HAVE and the phrase is WOULD HAVE or COULD HAVE and I swear to the deity of your choice that I have heard people actually enunciating "would of" or "could of" and holy crap this shiat makes my blood boil HOW CAN YOU BE SO DENSE PEOPLE
 
2014-07-20 11:28:47 AM  
Grammar schmammer.. Why is no one chastised subby yet for not using the Weird Tag for a Weird Al story?

You hear that subby? I chastizing you! CHASTIZING!
 
2014-07-20 11:35:32 AM  

syrynxx: The subjunctive is not necessarily counterfactual; it is merely hypothetical.  Like OJ's book, "If I Had Done It" is what it should have been, but I think he called it "If I Did It" because football players aren't known for their command of the English language - the whole thing was a subjunctive exercise into how he would have killed, if he were the killer.  That doesn't mean that he wasn't the killer, merely that it was how he would have done it if he had in fact done it. Penis.


Well, "If I did it" means that it is a future hypothetical situation and "If I had done it" means it is a past hypothetical situation, so it is just wrong.
 
2014-07-20 11:35:55 AM  

brimed03: Son of Thunder: Okay, maybe one of you jackbooted myrmidons of linguistic correctness can help me out with something. Since moving to Canada, I've been noticing people (including my otherwise-brilliant Canadian wife) starting sentences with "as well". I'll get a student paper with something like this in it: "Twenge's cross-temporal meta-analysis indicates a rise in NPI scores across the past few decades. As well, she found parallel increases in other variables, including..."

My brain keeps screaming "that's backwards!", but it seems to be everywhere. So is this a Canadian thing? Is it technically correct and widely used, and I've just managed to go through my pre-Canadian life without encountering it? Is it just plain wrong, and I should put it on the list of things to yell at my students about?

You may be experiencing a regionalism. Please raise your seat and return all trays to the upright and locked position. Also, please fasten your seatbelt.

Now, where I led off that last sentence with "also," substitute "as well." You may be more used to the former than the latter but there's nothing wrong with either.


...except the rule about starting a sentence with a preposition.
 
2014-07-20 11:39:52 AM  

Son of Thunder: Okay, maybe one of you jackbooted myrmidons of linguistic correctness can help me out with something. Since moving to Canada, I've been noticing people (including my otherwise-brilliant Canadian wife) starting sentences with "as well". I'll get a student paper with something like this in it: "Twenge's cross-temporal meta-analysis indicates a rise in NPI scores across the past few decades. As well, she found parallel increases in other variables, including..."

My brain keeps screaming "that's backwards!", but it seems to be everywhere. So is this a Canadian thing? Is it technically correct and widely used, and I've just managed to go through my pre-Canadian life without encountering it? Is it just plain wrong, and I should put it on the list of things to yell at my students about?


In Canada, words come in bags.
 
2014-07-20 11:43:52 AM  
hey hey hey

mediaassets.caller.com
 
2014-07-20 11:52:24 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Putting aside the prescriptivist view of language espoused by the song lyrics, I have to say that I thought the animation and style of the video was brilliant.

Exceedingly well done.  I laughed as much at the visual gags as I did at any of the lines.


Agreed.

I totally LOL'd at the dangling particle sight gag.
 
2014-07-20 11:53:27 AM  
participle even.

/Stupid auto-correct.
 
2014-07-20 11:53:33 AM  
I'll feel bad that I even clicked on that stupid article, all that did was justify this idiots rantings. You grammar Nazis really need to get a grip on yourselves.
 
2014-07-20 11:57:58 AM  
Grammar presciptives are invariably created by people who understand Latin but don't understand English, and enforced by people who don't understand either.
 
2014-07-20 11:58:37 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-07-20 12:00:27 PM  
Having been a paid style fascist, a term which would encompass "grammar nazi," I was chuckling much at Word Crimes. As for TFA, it put me in mind of William Safire and his writings on language and usage. I remember really learning about the subjunctive from one of his columns. Which reminds me of a joke ...

A visitor to Boston wishes to sample a certain seafood delicacy he has heard of, and hails a  cab. He asks the cabbie "Do you know where I could get scrod?" The cabbie replies, "I've been asked that question many times, but never in the pluperfect subjunctive."

Tangential: As for non-NSDAP "nazis," from long experience of service lines and checkouts, I heartily endorse Seinfeld's "soup nazi"  and his efficiency model.
 
2014-07-20 12:01:20 PM  

SordidEuphemism: On the 'lost cause' verse, there's an ABC logo at the bottom right, which says something to the effect of:

learn your abc's

I was taught that an apostrophe does not belong here. Discuss.


When it adds clarity, go for it. To me, abcs isn't neary as easy to parse as abc's. I think The New York Times Manual of Style and Usage states to use an apostrophe in cases such as "the 1990's." Again, I think it provides a touch a readability.
 
2014-07-20 12:02:07 PM  

syrynxx: quatchi: Loved the vid. Reminded me off Schoolhouse Rock kind of. kind've

Sorry, pet peeve.


i293.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-20 12:02:40 PM  
Bloke's a right wanker.  It's always some git whinging 'bout that shiate, innit?  Prolly needs a bit a the ol' rumpy-pumpy, ask me.
 
2014-07-20 12:04:29 PM  
New video is "Lame Claim to Fame," and it's better than "First World Problems." (Of course, as I like outlaw country like Southern Culture On The Skids better than late 80s alternative, YMMV.)
 
2014-07-20 12:11:11 PM  
Wait... Isn't "was" the first person subjunctive of "to be"?

Thse sound rigjt to me: I wish you were green, and I was red. I wish you were there, and I was here.

Is the author a Moran?
 
2014-07-20 12:18:11 PM  
riseofthetechnologyclass.files.wordpress.com

This person is flaunting the law.
 
2014-07-20 12:22:08 PM  

Ambivalence: I can't believe someone wrote an entire article about a grammar mistake in a movie title.  Like they've never heard of artistic license.  Sometimes, in literature or movies grammatical mistakes are intentional and designed to provide subtext.  Deal with it.


I very much enjoyed that article. Society has been dumbed down to the point where people ardently defend willful abject stupidity.
 
2014-07-20 12:24:20 PM  
I chuckled

img.photobucket.com
 
2014-07-20 12:32:48 PM  
That were stupider then I thought it would be.
 
2014-07-20 12:36:41 PM  

happydude45: Ambivalence: I can't believe someone wrote an entire article about a grammar mistake in a movie title.  Like they've never heard of artistic license.  Sometimes, in literature or movies grammatical mistakes are intentional and designed to provide subtext.  Deal with it.

I very much enjoyed that article. Society has been dumbed down to the point where people ardently defend willful abject stupidity.


I would also point out that there's a great difference between "artistic license" and "laziness" or "ignorance."  I agree that Braff can title his movie whatever the fark he wants, but I also greatly enjoyed the Word Crimes video.

A+++  will rewatch
 
2014-07-20 12:40:31 PM  
"Have you," not "hast thou". Don't use archaic conjugations.
 
2014-07-20 01:06:52 PM  
FTA:

"Beyoncé got it right, though, with "If I Were A Boy," which uses flawless subjunctive throughout. Is it too much to ask that Zach Braff do the same? I know we cannot all be Beyoncé, but we can but strive. "
 
2014-07-20 01:10:47 PM  

FriarReb98: New video is "Lame Claim to Fame," and it's better than "First World Problems." (Of course, as I like outlaw country like Southern Culture On The Skids better than late 80s alternative, YMMV.)


Great video.  Awesome seeing Dr. Demento show up in it.
 
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