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(KMOV St. Louis)   A homeowner tired of pranksters driving on to his lawn decides to lay a trap consisting of a board with nails hammered through it buried along the street and painted black to make it harder to see. And of course someone has a problem with this   ( kmov.com) divider line
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2014-07-20 12:16:41 AM  
Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.
 
2014-07-20 12:47:23 AM  

feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.


Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.
 
2014-07-20 01:20:40 AM  
Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."
 
2014-07-20 01:38:26 AM  

Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."


I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.
 
2014-07-20 02:05:23 AM  
I used to rent a house on a dead end dirt road in a part of Arizona that was at the time having a lot of border issues. At that time I'd see dozens of illegal immigrants every day, I'd see vans and trucks come to an abrupt stop on the highway, 20 people would pile in, and they'd drive off like nothing ever happened, blink and you'd miss it. It was normal, and in my heart I wished them a safe journey. It was just what was going on at the time (thanks Bush?)

Anyway, a couple times a van or truck packed with people or bundles of weed would be chased down our road by Border Patrol and deputies. And they wouldn't stop, they'd just tear straight through the fence at the end, into my neighbor's pasture and kept going until they crashed or found pavement again. It freed his horses and cattle every time. So he put up dead end signs in English and Spanish, probably two dozen reflectors. And then he built a huge dirt berm just on his side of the fence and set in concrete a bunch of angled chunks of railroad track to catch any vehicle unfortunate enough to take the ramp. I don't know if he ever impaled anyone, I moved shortly after. He wasn't a pleasant man.
 
2014-07-20 02:08:13 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


I never said he could. But I will say this - it's akin to an electric fence that isn't properly marked.
 
2014-07-20 02:13:58 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.


I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.
 
2014-07-20 02:21:19 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


Well I'm not so sure I'd go that broadly. He could dig a two foot deep, two foot wide ditch sort of a big |_| that would catch the wheels of people driving on his lawn. It isn't a real danger to anyone, but it is a booby trap.

Personally I'd put up cameras and sue the owners of the vehicles and nail their asses to the wall in civil court. In many jurisdictions, and from a cursory reading of Missouri's 'trespass to realty' statute they can get 3X actual damages.

When my brother owned a laundromat kids used to break into the change machine. He put in security cameras, identified the kid and sued him and his parents. He won. They didn't want to pay. He had the kid's car towed by the sheriff. Then they paid, but they called him all sorts of names. The kid is now in prison for something completely unrelated.
 
2014-07-20 02:32:55 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.


s.hswstatic.com

Won't be set off by anything lighter than a vehicle. Problem solved.
 
2014-07-20 06:57:18 AM  
This guy needs to meet up with Repairman Jack.
 
2014-07-20 07:42:12 AM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.


Any deterrent that is open and apparent or has sufficient warnings, within reason ("Warning: Land Mines" probably still won't cut it), is going to be okay in the US. I see broken glass on tops of privacy walls all over the French Quarter. Hidden traps and hazards placed by the homeowner that cause unreasonable injuries will probably make the homeowner liable.
 
2014-07-20 07:42:44 AM  
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2014-07-20 07:45:15 AM  

fusillade762: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

Won't be set off by anything lighter than a vehicle. Problem solved.


Hey, leave your mother out of this. She's a classy lady.
 
2014-07-20 07:51:07 AM  

fusillade762: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

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Won't be set off by anything lighter than a vehicle. Problem solved.


Many Americans weigh as much as a vehicle.
 
2014-07-20 07:51:30 AM  
There is no part of the U.S. where this isn't settled law.
Booby traps are illegal, and civilly actionable.
Don't make yourselves look stupid by arguing about it.
 
2014-07-20 07:53:11 AM  

Nabb1: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.

Any deterrent that is open and apparent or has sufficient warnings, within reason ("Warning: Land Mines" probably still won't cut it), is going to be okay in the US. I see broken glass on tops of privacy walls all over the French Quarter. Hidden traps and hazards placed by the homeowner that cause unreasonable injuries will probably make the homeowner liable.


So all he needs is a tire damage warning sign and he's good to go.  Works for me, because then they can't say they weren't warned.
 
2014-07-20 07:56:38 AM  

MBrady: Maybe the homeowner can get a few of those Russian missiles that are normally used to shoot down commerical airliners.


You're talking about surface-to-air missiles, likely won't work here, but the Dukes of Hazzard should be getting a little nervous.

/My eleven yro self just had a fun image, thinking of the general lee getting shot out of the sky.
 
2014-07-20 07:58:16 AM  
Step 1. Buy a huge, several ton boulder from the local quarry.
Step 2. Place it wherever people are always driving over your lawn.

Problem solved.  Call it a decoration, plant flowers around it.  Of course you'll then have to deal with kids spray painting it, but your original problem is solved.
 
2014-07-20 08:02:36 AM  
Reminds me of a story I heard, probably apocryphal, about a guy whose VCR was stolen from his house. When he replaced it, the replacement was stolen. So he bought a broken VCR from a repair shop, put in a few ounces of plastique, shoved the AC leads into the explosive, and let them steal that one. They didn't come back.

/The story does not say where he got the plastique.
//paging Chris Rock...
 
2014-07-20 08:02:49 AM  
Technically, most property lines don't meet the road. There's usually an easement. The municipality would have some rights in terms of what one can do with it.

If he put some decorative armor stones on the problem area, people wouldn't cut the curve so short. I doubt it's "pranksters".
 
2014-07-20 08:05:37 AM  
I have all of my widow sills equipped with boards that have nails sticking out of them. They're all covered with doilies.

My hope is that anyone who breaks in here will wind up with some nasty puncture wounds from when they climbed in.

How's that for a booby trap?
 
2014-07-20 08:05:48 AM  
What year did this happen, was this after the invention of the fence?
 
2014-07-20 08:07:25 AM  
Just get some landscaping rocks about a foot in diameter and put them along the edge. If someone tries to drive over them they will have a bad time.
 
2014-07-20 08:09:22 AM  
I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.
 
2014-07-20 08:11:01 AM  
www.chud.com

/Approves
 
2014-07-20 08:19:13 AM  

BenJammin: What year did this happen, was this after the invention of the fence?


Many localities will not allow a person to build a fence along the front edge of your property. At least not a privacy fence. Doubt I could build any fence where I live.
 
2014-07-20 08:21:53 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.


Mine doesn't. But then I also have a share of the road, which is private.

/only Sith speak in absolutes. Are you Sith?
//which would have made Kenobi a Sith
 
2014-07-20 08:24:28 AM  

Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."


Everything is a prank. Just like everything anyone builds is a hack, every picture is a selfie etc...
 
2014-07-20 08:28:16 AM  
I knew a man with a "gentleman's farm" just outside of Martinsburg WV who did something very similar when a well known, local hooligan drove around his corn field just before harvest. He made tire sized "caltrops" out of 16 penny nails and rebar and planted them just inside the gate to his fields. No warning signs other that the no trespassing signs on the gate. Sounds like it was fortunate for him the kid never came back.
 
2014-07-20 08:29:14 AM  
"However, city officials were unsure if existing ordinances allowed them to ban booby traps."

Ha ha ha.... Need i say more?
 
2014-07-20 08:29:33 AM  
Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa
 
2014-07-20 08:29:49 AM  

BenJammin: What year did this happen, was this after the invention of the fence?


Maybe teens driving across his lawn is his only problem, and paying a large chunk of money to stop a possible temporary problem may be too much.  When addressing problems, sometimes the simplest, cheapest solution is the first thing you should try.  You don't replace the engine every time the car won't start, do you?
 
2014-07-20 08:29:50 AM  

MisterSocksFox: Reminds me of a story I heard, probably apocryphal, about a guy whose VCR was stolen from his house. When he replaced it, the replacement was stolen. So he bought a broken VCR from a repair shop, put in a few ounces of plastique, shoved the AC leads into the explosive, and let them steal that one. They didn't come back.

/The story does not say where he got the plastique.
//paging Chris Rock...


Apocryphal. Semtex and C-4 need a primary explosive to detonate. Electricity won't do it.

/where's the kaboom?
 
2014-07-20 08:32:01 AM  
Well he sure did install it a loooooonnnnng ways from the road.
 
2014-07-20 08:33:03 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.


Know how I know you don't understand how easements work?

Access rights don't equal ownership. You still own it and are responsible for maintaining it. I'm sure the city of Pevely would have no problem coming out and repairing/re-sodding the damage at their expense every time, right?

Go ahead and call your city and tell them you want them to maintain the lawn on the easement, see how well that works out.
 
2014-07-20 08:38:52 AM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.


It has nothing to do with the lawyers in the United States.  It is part of the common law that a private property owner has a Duty of Care when it comes to trespassers.  A property owner has to take reasonable precautions to secure his real property and must warn trespassers of hazards unless those hazards are not open, obvious, and there is no way the property owner could have known about them.  This is why bobby traps and other means of intentionally and passively inflicting bodily harm to a trespasser are illegal.
 
2014-07-20 08:42:10 AM  
Sounds like he should do some creative landscaping with some decrotive boulders maybe a mailbox on a steel post anchored by concrete. Hell he could put a few dips in his yard and that could fark up the bottom of the prnaksters cars.
 
2014-07-20 08:43:14 AM  
Someone up thread said it as we'll....why not just get a camera?  Prosecution would be far more satisfying than a little car damage I would think.
 
2014-07-20 08:43:35 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


Cue the puzzled dog.
If people wouldn't use vehicles to vandalize the guy's lawn, they wouldn't even know or care about the nails.  The guys driving into other people's yard uninvited are the ones endangering people.
 
2014-07-20 08:49:05 AM  
My parents had a similar problem with folks curbing their lawn. Dad installed 4-ft iron rods marked w/ red reflective paint along the area. Problem solved.
 
2014-07-20 08:49:46 AM  
He should just shoot any pranksters on his lawn. I mean, that's allowed in America, right?
 
2014-07-20 08:52:09 AM  
My neighbor did this back in the 70s, with big nails and a big plank.  He caused suspension damage to the teen's mom's car who were repeatedly destroying his front lawn in a misguided attempt to woo his daughter.  Everyone was amused.  Apparently the police told him "don't do it again."
 
2014-07-20 08:59:05 AM  
In America, a board with nails = bad. Come outside and shoot the kids = quite possibly OK.
 
2014-07-20 09:04:16 AM  
At first I was like "yeah home-owner" and then I saw the video and now I'm like "f*ck you homeowner"

The part of the yard he booby-trapped was right next the road w/o a curb where a normal person would expect the occasional incursion of traffic, I know I do.

As for the city, his booby trap was clearly in the roads right-away there probably a few existing ordinance you could fine him under.
 
2014-07-20 09:09:57 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


It's called the "right of self-defense." It's legit. Nations use it all the time.
 
2014-07-20 09:11:24 AM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.


Glass topped walls are, or at least were when I was a kid, in El Paso
 
2014-07-20 09:12:15 AM  

Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."


True but maybe the guy is an asshole and deserves to get his lawn torn up by a truck.  I'd like to hear both sides of this issue.
 
2014-07-20 09:16:15 AM  

lack of warmth: So all he needs is a tire damage warning sign and he's good to go. Works for me, because then they can't say they weren't warned.


Yeah, but the trick is to put the sign up first, and leave it up for a few months without putting the trap in. After the drivers "figure out" that the sign is "meaningless" and go back to doing what they were doing with impunity, only THEN do you put the boards with nails in. This way you get the asshats.

/like the idea of digging the trench better.
 
2014-07-20 09:19:11 AM  
No matter how justified booby traps are illegal.  Large decorative boulders, however, are not.
 
2014-07-20 09:26:22 AM  

Fredster: This guy needs to meet up with Repairman Jack.


I've tried to read that first book like 10 times. I just can't get into it. Does it get better after the first few chapters? Up through the part where the 'stereotypical racist indian guy caricature (short of having him own a farking 711) gets him to find the medallion, it was just boring as hell, and focused more on gradeschool level drama and 'I am so sneaky and awesome' writing.
 
2014-07-20 09:26:51 AM  

MasterAdkins: No matter how justified booby traps are illegal.  Large decorative boulders, however, are not.


I put in a nice split rail fence to solve that problem once. Turned out to be a double win.
 
2014-07-20 09:29:41 AM  
I like the "Repairman Jack" method of dealing with these people: Put up a row of plants/bushes/shrubberies/what have you, and in-between them you put a foot tall concrete post that's concealed by said foliage. They run into your yard, their car gets torn up, nobody can fall on the spikes and complain. Problem solved.
 
2014-07-20 09:36:34 AM  

jankyboy: Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa


Your grandpa was not a great man. He was a busybody that tried to kill/wound dogs in what sounds like a city-owned public lot.
 
2014-07-20 09:39:16 AM  

lackadaisicalfreakshow: jankyboy: Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa

Your grandpa was not a great man. He was a busybody that tried to kill/wound dogs in what sounds like a city-owned public lot.


It IS delightful when idiot dog owners meet idiot homeowners.
 
2014-07-20 09:43:26 AM  

Yogimus: It IS delightful when idiot dog owners meet idiot homeowners.


It's like a train wreck of inadequacy?
 
2014-07-20 09:43:52 AM  

kroonermanblack: I've tried to read that first book like 10 times. I just can't get into it. Does it get better after the first few chapters?


I liked it quite a bit, but I also like Titanic, Armageddon, top 40 songs and Stephen King books, so there's a good chance I have no taste.
 
2014-07-20 09:50:21 AM  

Fredster: I liked it quite a bit, but I also like Titanic, Armageddon, top 40 songs and Stephen King books, so there's a good chance I have no taste.


Counterpoint: I enjoy 19th Century French literature, Japanese heavy metal, neo-noir films, and Archer, so taste is not a part of it good sir!

The first book is a bit stuffy and not FPW's best work. The second book (which I started out on accidentally) has hints of works of Tesla, a conspiracy and a Japanese spy. Lil less focus on the supernatural and the like. After that the series slowly builds back into the supernatural instead of just "BAMN! DEMON CHILDRENS! EATING YOUR BRITAINS!".

His later work is much better in terms of pacing. I'd say start with book 2, Legacies and work your way up from there. The only few points you need to know of from book 1 are recapped at appropriate times (read: not every damn book).

Of course there is a bit of the good old fashioned Libertarian "fark you Government" that pops in from time to time, but I rather enjoy that bit myself.
 
2014-07-20 09:55:25 AM  

Laobaojun: Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.

Cue the puzzled dog.
If people wouldn't use vehicles to vandalize the guy's lawn, they wouldn't even know or care about the nails.  The guys driving into other people's yard uninvited are the ones endangering people.


rzrwiresunrise: Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.

It's called the "right of self-defense." It's legit. Nations use it all the time.


Christ, this is hilarious. Just look at how f**king stupid these people are.
 
2014-07-20 10:00:02 AM  

MBrady: jankyboy: Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa

Similar situation here.  No sidewalks.  Grass goes to the curb, but the easement is 10 feet from the curb (no trees there).  Some people walk their dogs and don't clean up.  Neighbor spread oatmeal on that area, and had warning signs, "grass has been fertilized, no animals!"   Seemed to stop them.


I used to have a neighbor who let their dog loose to crap on my lawn. I invested a few bucks on a bulk bag of cayenne pepper and spread it liberally along my side of the property line. The dog quickly learned to not come into my yard.
 
2014-07-20 10:03:47 AM  

jso2897: Christ, this is hilarious. Just look at how f**king stupid these people are.


I agree man, judging people as inadequate because they don't subscribe to your set of beliefs? It is farking hilarious. It's like when Hardcore Bible Thumpers tell other people they're evil because they don't believe what they believe.
 
2014-07-20 10:11:32 AM  

edmo: MasterAdkins: No matter how justified booby traps are illegal.  Large decorative boulders, however, are not.

I put in a nice split rail fence to solve that problem once. Turned out to be a double win.


Did the same thing at my grandmother's house, she lived on the corner and people would cut the corner and drive across her yard, the day after we put it in some drunk ran through it, the fence pierced his radiator and he ended up with a DUI.
 
2014-07-20 10:18:19 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: jso2897: Christ, this is hilarious. Just look at how f**king stupid these people are.

I agree man, judging people as inadequate because they don't subscribe to your set of beliefs? It is farking hilarious. It's like when Hardcore Bible Thumpers tell other people they're evil because they don't believe what they believe.


Some beliefs are just plain stupid. Deny it if you wiosh - it doen't change anything. Not that this is really a matter of "belief" - it's a simple matter of law and socially acceptable behavior.
And i don't think that stupid people are "evil" - I just think they're stupid.
 
2014-07-20 10:31:26 AM  
If he buried the board right next to the street, as it looks like in the photo, that isn't his property. The right of way of the street is usually 40-50 feet, or 20-25 feet from the center line of the road. That extends well into what you might think of as your yard.

/many years as a land surveyor who had to deal with irate homeowners upset that we were digging in "their yards" for the property corner markers.
 
2014-07-20 10:32:49 AM  

jso2897: Some beliefs are just plain stupid. Deny it if you wiosh - it doen't change anything. Not that this is really a matter of "belief" - it's a simple matter of law and socially acceptable behavior.
And i don't think that stupid people are "evil" - I just think they're stupid.


And your idea of 'socially acceptable behavior' is different from their own.

If you weren't so self centered you'd have figured out 'moral relativity'. Not everyone shares your beliefs or your ideas or even the same idea of a 'greater good'. Hence: your idea of 'your belief is stupid and mine is superior based on my own anecdotal evidence' falls flat.

Deny it all you want but 'a simple matter of socially acceptable behavior' fluctuates quite often. Remember when it was socially acceptable to lynch people with no evidence? Or women weren't allowed to public functions without men? Your short sightedness astounds me. Your belief that your idea of 'reasonable social norms' are quaint, but superficial.

Yeesh and I thought it was just the Tea party types that were this focused on their own morality being superior to others.
 
2014-07-20 10:34:13 AM  
Our old homestead was out in the middle of the boonies nearest town was ten miles away and all dirt roads. Our problem was the fact that the land we owned people liked to come out and hunt, whether it was the season or not and not ask permission(there was only a couple of folks my parents allowed) The sheriff's office said while we had every right to keep trespassers of the land they couldn't be bothered with putting a patrol out there. So we went out on the land and cut down trees across the atv paths they were using to get in and out. And just to make sure they wouldn't just drive around the trees we dug holes with nail boards and even some spots buried boards with big nails in random places. Took fishing line and strung it between the trees. There was actually one person that we knew of that flattened his tires amd had the balls to say he was going to press charges. He changed his tune when the sheriff reminded him his tires would still be fine if he hadn't been trespassing.(This is southeastern Oklahoma and pretty much the mentality of the populace) but I would say it is frustrating as a landowner to see someone coming out of your woods dragging a deer in the middle of July and when confronted, basically tell you there was nothing you could do(as they were unshouldering their rifle)
 
2014-07-20 10:51:38 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: jso2897: Some beliefs are just plain stupid. Deny it if you wiosh - it doen't change anything. Not that this is really a matter of "belief" - it's a simple matter of law and socially acceptable behavior.
And i don't think that stupid people are "evil" - I just think they're stupid.

And your idea of 'socially acceptable behavior' is different from their own.

If you weren't so self centered you'd have figured out 'moral relativity'. Not everyone shares your beliefs or your ideas or even the same idea of a 'greater good'. Hence: your idea of 'your belief is stupid and mine is superior based on my own anecdotal evidence' falls flat.

Deny it all you want but 'a simple matter of socially acceptable behavior' fluctuates quite often. Remember when it was socially acceptable to lynch people with no evidence? Or women weren't allowed to public functions without men? Your short sightedness astounds me. Your belief that your idea of 'reasonable social norms' are quaint, but superficial.

Yeesh and I thought it was just the Tea party types that were this focused on their own morality being superior to others.


Believing booby trapping isn't settled law in the US is farking retarded and has nothing to do with moral relativity.

I don't know if you are trolling here or just need your morning coffee.
 
2014-07-20 10:55:06 AM  

Smackledorfer: Believing booby trapping isn't settled law in the US is farking retarded and has nothing to do with moral relativity.

I don't know if you are trolling here or just need your morning coffee.


Sigh...way to miss the point there big guy.

They're saying their individual rights supersede the law. You're saying "The law is the be all end all!" and calling them stupid for not siding with you. If you want I can break it down further so someone like yourself can comprehend, but to do that would require going over the basics of Kant and Decartes.
 
2014-07-20 10:57:09 AM  

Fredster: This guy needs to meet up with Repairman Jack.


Yeah, Repairman Jack's solution to this kind of problem was way more hardcore.
 
2014-07-20 11:14:22 AM  

MBrady: Similar situation here.  No sidewalks.  Grass goes to the curb, but the easement is 10 feet from the curb (no trees there).  Some people walk their dogs and don't clean up.  Neighbor spread oatmeal on that area, and had warning signs, "grass has been fertilized, no animals!"   Seemed to stop them.


Oatmeal?  I'm intrigued.
 
2014-07-20 11:14:53 AM  

Capo Del Bandito: jso2897: Some beliefs are just plain stupid. Deny it if you wiosh - it doen't change anything. Not that this is really a matter of "belief" - it's a simple matter of law and socially acceptable behavior.
And i don't think that stupid people are "evil" - I just think they're stupid.

And your idea of 'socially acceptable behavior' is different from their own.

If you weren't so self centered you'd have figured out 'moral relativity'. Not everyone shares your beliefs or your ideas or even the same idea of a 'greater good'. Hence: your idea of 'your belief is stupid and mine is superior based on my own anecdotal evidence' falls flat.

Deny it all you want but 'a simple matter of socially acceptable behavior' fluctuates quite often. Remember when it was socially acceptable to lynch people with no evidence? Or women weren't allowed to public functions without men? Your short sightedness astounds me. Your belief that your idea of 'reasonable social norms' are quaint, but superficial.

Yeesh and I thought it was just the Tea party types that were this focused on their own morality being superior to others.


The discussion is absurd. Setting booby traps is both criminally and civilly sanctioned everywhere in the civilized world.
It is not behavior that can be seriously defended. Relativism can only be stretched so far outside of a middle school debate club.
It has nothing to do with me being "self-centered", or pronouncing judgment on anybody - it's just the basic standard of a civilized society - and yes, those standards do improve and evolve over time. That's why we no longer condone things like lynching, or setting booby traps on ones property.
Not everything is a matter of opinion, man.
 
2014-07-20 11:19:11 AM  
Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.

Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better.

/btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.
//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street.
 
2014-07-20 11:42:51 AM  

doczoidberg: I have all of my widow sills equipped with boards that have nails sticking out of them. They're all covered with doilies.

My hope is that anyone who breaks in here will wind up with some nasty puncture wounds from when they climbed in.

How's that for a booby trap?


Illegal.  You're almost certainly liable for any injury those cause, and depending on the local law enforcement mentality probably likely to get charged criminally.

It's not illegal per se to put in something that can cause injury.  But concealing it is setting a trap, you don't get to do that.  Take the doilies off, make the hazard obvious, and you're probably ok.

Or if you happen to be in the room at the time, in most states you could shoot them as soon as they break the glass.  Breaking into an occupied dwelling tends to generate a presumption that you have a reasonable fear for your life, and therefore a right to use deadly force.
 
2014-07-20 12:04:36 PM  

CBob: Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.

Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better.

/btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.
//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street.


The law is clear.  His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.
 
2014-07-20 12:06:00 PM  

NorthernMT: BenJammin: What year did this happen, was this after the invention of the fence?

Many localities will not allow a person to build a fence along the front edge of your property. At least not a privacy fence. Doubt I could build any fence where I live.


You don't need a privacy fence.

A low, white-picket fence backed up by sunken I-beams would do the job pretty nicely.

There is a guy who lives about a mile from me who got sick of people not making the turn and ending up in his lawn and he made a decorative barrier of I-beams set in concrete to protect his house.  Since then, he hasn't had anyone end up in his lawn.
 
2014-07-20 12:06:49 PM  
i.imgur.com

Also handy for discouraging pesky imperialist forces from continuing their invasion of your sovereign nation!
 
2014-07-20 12:18:48 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: Just get some landscaping rocks about a foot in diameter and put them along the edge. If someone tries to drive over them they will have a bad time.


My old neighbor's solution was nine-foot lengths of old telephone poles.  Six feet buried in the dirt, three feet up top.

People stopped taking the curve quite so wide.

/still stops the odd drunk driver cold
//the important thing is his bushes are safe
///seriously...if you can't keep it between the lines, no biatching about whatever you hit
 
2014-07-20 12:23:51 PM  
Had same problem of some jack-ass driving over hedges. Put large rock behind them. One morning found rock moved and lots of oil on the ground. Never had problem again.
 
2014-07-20 12:37:05 PM  
Stay off his lawn.  He's serious.
 
2014-07-20 12:43:31 PM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.


Can we try that on our border fence?
 
2014-07-20 12:58:17 PM  

Gary-L: His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.


And their driving across his lawn is....??

I say fight fire with fire. The only ones affected by his 'booby trap' (if having something in plain sight can be considered such) are those who already breaking the law by being on his property without permission. So screw them. (This assumes the 'trap' is on his property, per se.)

As for the "innocent trespassers"- is that like 'innocent murderer' or 'innocent thief'?? If you're trespassing, you are, by definition, guilty.
 
2014-07-20 12:58:28 PM  
Booby traps are illegal because some politician or cops son was probably injured while tryin to commit a rape or burglary.

If the booby trap is on someones private property do you really care? The victim would be committing a crime by entering the property without permission.
 
2014-07-20 12:59:25 PM  

Gary-L: CBob: Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.

Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better.


/btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.

//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street.


The law is clear.  His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.


www.roadshark.com


The law is not really clear as many places use tire deflators on road ways.
 
2014-07-20 01:05:04 PM  
Oh, look, it's that thread where a bunch of tiny-dicked rageaholics justify attempted murder in retribution for vandalism again.
 
2014-07-20 01:05:59 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Gary-L: CBob: Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better.
/btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street.
The law is clear.  His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.
[www.roadshark.com image 500x375]
The law is not really clear as many places use tire deflators on road ways.


Yeah, when I want to hide something, I paint it black and yellow too.
 
2014-07-20 01:07:59 PM  

fredklein: Gary-L: His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.

And their driving across his lawn is....??

I say fight fire with fire. The only ones affected by his 'booby trap' (if having something in plain sight can be considered such) are those who already breaking the law by being on his property without permission. So screw them. (This assumes the 'trap' is on his property, per se.)

As for the "innocent trespassers"- is that like 'innocent murderer' or 'innocent thief'?? If you're trespassing, you are, by definition, guilty.


You have to wonder what types of
People some farkers hang out with and what type of person they themselves are when they make excuses for criminals.


Innocent trespassers indeed.

This is probably a byproduct of telling People they arent responsible for their own actions
 
2014-07-20 01:09:56 PM  

OliverK: Technically, most property lines don't meet the road. There's usually an easement. The municipality would have some rights in terms of what one can do with it.

If he put some decorative armor stones on the problem area, people wouldn't cut the curve so short. I doubt it's "pranksters".


This. Line the spot with rocks about the size of your head. You kick one of those up, and even if it doesn't dent the fark out of your truck you'll do damage to something that you can charge them with breaking.

\though I fully assume the "pranksters" also blow coal and have truck nutz and/or a gun rack
 
2014-07-20 01:11:09 PM  

LoneWolf343: Oh, look, it's that thread where a bunch of tiny-dicked rageaholics justify attempted murder in retribution for vandalism again.


I thought it was the thread where bleeding hearts defend criminals and tell people they are bad humans for not rolling over for said criminals.

Precious snowflakes indeed.

Free mumia!
 
2014-07-20 01:15:12 PM  

Capo Del Bandito: Smackledorfer: Believing booby trapping isn't settled law in the US is farking retarded and has nothing to do with moral relativity.

I don't know if you are trolling here or just need your morning coffee.

Sigh...way to miss the point there big guy.

They're saying their individual rights supersede the law. You're saying "The law is the be all end all!" and calling them stupid for not siding with you. If you want I can break it down further so someone like yourself can comprehend, but to do that would require going over the basics of Kant and Decartes.


I'm not saying "the law is the be all end all" nor have I said a damn thing with an !-point.

The problem here is that jso said one thing, and you tried to twist it into another and here we are.

He said X is the law, and it is stupid to claim otherwise.
You are saying X shouldn't be the law so therefor his statement is somehow wrong. Now you've gone yet another step towards full retard by saying that anyone agreeing with his statement believes that "the law is the be all end all derpa derpa doo".

I'm going to stick with my first instinct and say you are just trolling.  Nobody is this stupid.
 
2014-07-20 01:17:02 PM  
Giltric:Free mumia!*

*With the purchase of a murderer of equal or lesser value.
 
2014-07-20 01:18:09 PM  

fredklein: Gary-L: His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.

And their driving across his lawn is....??

I say fight fire with fire. The only ones affected by his 'booby trap' (if having something in plain sight can be considered such) are those who already breaking the law by being on his property without permission. So screw them. (This assumes the 'trap' is on his property, per se.)

As for the "innocent trespassers"- is that like 'innocent murderer' or 'innocent thief'?? If you're trespassing, you are, by definition, guilty.


Read up on trespassing laws and then get back to us on that.
 
2014-07-20 01:21:10 PM  

fredklein: Gary-L: His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.

And their driving across his lawn is....??

I say fight fire with fire. The only ones affected by his 'booby trap' (if having something in plain sight can be considered such) are those who already breaking the law by being on his property without permission. So screw them. (This assumes the 'trap' is on his property, per se.)

As for the "innocent trespassers"- is that like 'innocent murderer' or 'innocent thief'?? If you're trespassing, you are, by definition, guilty.


I had no idea you were such a black and white authoritarian.  Odd for someone I recall being anti-cop.

And yes, there are plenty of forms of innocent trespass.  Most forms of trespass do meet the bar of criminal behavior, and even a tort, while allowed, would not be successful without showing damages.

The person driving across his lawn may not even be at the level of causing damage.  The person who jumps onto his lawn when someone runs him off the road while taking a nighttime walk certainly doesn't warrant spikes going into his feet.
 
2014-07-20 01:22:08 PM  
Had a neighbor on a corner lot who had to deal with somebody who had a grudge against at least one of the residents of his house (I'm suspecting the kids.)  The perp would pull up onto the lawn beside the house, start spinning their tires and trench the lawn around the house to the front yard.  This happened 3 or 4 times before the neighbor hammered some rebar at an angle pointing in the direction that it was obvious the car was coming from.  One day I saw that the rebar was mangled, and the lawn was never driven on again.
 
2014-07-20 01:31:43 PM  
The "hidden" part is where he went wrong.  You need to put up some decorative edging fence like this
thumbs1.ebaystatic.com
Then add the tire-puncturing spikes immediately behind it.
I had an a$$hole Jeep driver who was driving down my street during winter nights intentionally running into snow piles at the edge of driveways to scatter the piles in front of the driveways.  I wet down my snow pile during the day and let it freeze into a block of ice then threw a couple more shovel-fuls of powdery snow on top.  He hit it pretty hard and I imagine that Jeep probably needed an alignment job after that.  And he seemed to get the message, as there were no repeats of the behaviour.
 
2014-07-20 01:32:51 PM  
I can understand his frustration.

Prior to the roads being paved in my rural area, a house on a corner lot had people making turns onto the side street gradually eating away the lawn there. The corner angle gradually became a huge crescent of dirt.

Polite signs didn't stop this. Nor did marker sticks painted bright colors to indicate the property line. So, the owner put some stones there, around half the size of a soccer ball and that seemed to work.

Until guys in these enormous pickup trucks pounded them into the ground.

So, the stones were replaced with boulders. Each about the size of a beach ball. Each big enough to do serious damage to any of those enormous pickup trucks trying to plow over them.

That worked.

The 'hidden' nail studded board, however, would not have gone over very well, because here, 5 feet of your yard is actually not yours. It's the right of way for the county road. Placing a serious trap there would get you in trouble because you would be on county property.

Also, because of reasons pointed out by several FARK-ers, the potential for injury to bike riders and kids walking along the edge would be too high.

We had two incidents that kind of illustrated this. One was where a home owner installed an arch over his driveway entrance from a side street, but one edge fell one inch onto the county property from the main road. The county wanted him to take the arch down and naturally, he got all litigious about it.

The county pointed out that if a car ran off the road and hit his arch, because it was one inch on their land, they could be sued and not the home owner. It made no difference that if a car did that, it would wind up going to their front door anyhow.

Lawyers agreed, so a compromise was reached. The home owner had to carry a million dollars insurance to cover the arch in case of such an occurrence and he agreed.

Must have really loved that arch. It lasted over 20 years and when the guy died, a year or so afterwards his son, helping his Mom move backed his truck into the arch, bringing it down.

One a main road, a school was being built so a sidewalk was being installed and the road widened and the county took the right of way. All of it. Which wound up ending right at the back wall of a house. Seems the contractor, years ago, had made a slight miscalculation.

Naturally, lawyers were called in and there was much squabbling to stop the sidewalk from going directly under this guys bedroom window and right up to the sill of his back door. He lost. The county installed the sidewalk.

Naturally, the increasing load of kids walking by over the next few years contained those who just had to pester him by yelling in his window or knocking on his door. So, he bricked up the window and the door.

After 25 years or so, the place is still there -- but apparently empty. Even when he moved out and the place became a rental, tenants had a problem with folks walking right next to the back wall.

So, remember, in most areas, that section of property you own next to a road more than likely is the county or state right of way. They'll tolerate a mailbox on it, even some large, obvious boulders used to stop cutting the corner -- but not anything sharp which can injure a walker.

It's best if you paint those boulders white also.
 
2014-07-20 01:33:21 PM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.


It seems there is a misunderstanding about what an easement is. The homeowner owns the land (or trees, or lake or whatever) comprises the easement, he is responsible for care of the easement, mowing the lawn and the like. The easement appurtenant in this instance (if one indeed exists) seems to be a utility easement which would allow utilities to erect or bury poles, wires, cables, pipelines, ect in the space adjoining the roadway. These are generally of minimal concern to a property owner.

If the utility wished to locate a pole in the middle of his yard they would, unless such an easement already existed and that is quite rare, have to negotiate an easement with the property owner and pay for that easement. This easement would transfer with the property when it was sold, obviously the power company can't come out and dig up its pole when the house sell. (Unless of course they were induced to do so by the new property owner who would perhaps pay the cost of moving the pole and wires).

An easement is a right to use some specific thing (usually land) by a non-owner for a specific purpose. It doesn't mean the owner can't grow corn over some sewer pipes or plant apple trees under high tension wires, or absent some other law put spiked boards on his lawn. An easement doesn't prevent the owner for enjoying his property. The property ends where the property ends according to the plat maps and surveys, not where an easement is present.
Easements are complex, however this is a general explanation that should clarify that the guy that owns the house owns the land to the end of the property line, not some three foot DMZ.
 
2014-07-20 01:38:55 PM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Gary-L: CBob: Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better.
/btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street.
The law is clear.  His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.
[www.roadshark.com image 500x375]
The law is not really clear as many places use tire deflators on road ways.


They have signs.
 
2014-07-20 01:42:32 PM  

LoneWolf343: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Gary-L: CBob: Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better.
/btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street.
The law is clear.  His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.
[www.roadshark.com image 500x375]
The law is not really clear as many places use tire deflators on road ways.

Yeah, when I want to hide something, I paint it black and yellow too.




Still be very hard to see at night.
 
2014-07-20 01:44:34 PM  

ReverendJynxed: TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Gary-L: CBob: Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better. /btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street. The law is clear.  His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal. [www.roadshark.com image 500x375] The law is not really clear as many places use tire deflators on road ways. They have signs.


Yes, signs make everything legal.
 
2014-07-20 01:47:14 PM  

Yogimus: lackadaisicalfreakshow: jankyboy: Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa

Your grandpa was not a great man. He was a busybody that tried to kill/wound dogs in what sounds like a city-owned public lot.

It IS delightful when idiot dog owners meet idiot homeowners.


I disagree. He took care of the problem with ease and ingenuity. A trait that used to be respected and admired. He didn't get into a physical altercation or have to argue with the offenders or go to court.
 
2014-07-20 01:51:29 PM  

Gary-L: It has nothing to do with the lawyers in the United States.  It is part of the common law that a private property owner has a Duty of Care when it comes to trespassers.  A property owner has to take reasonable precautions to secure his real property and must warn trespassers of hazards unless those hazards are not open, obvious, and there is no way the property owner could have known about them.  This is why bobby traps and other means of intentionally and passively inflicting bodily harm to a trespasser are illegal.


I disagree with a couple of things. First the duty of care to trespassers is minimal. Warning sings often suffice. "Danger buried spikes" would solve that in the matter instant. There is an ordinary duty of care, not a special duty. Contrast that with the duty of care owed to licensees, or invitees.

You also assert that booby traps are illegal and I don't believe that is true in all jurisdictions in the US. Unwise, certainly, illegal not necessarily. If you have drive-in movies near you they almost certainly have those tire shredding devices to keep people from driving in the out gate. They are signed to warn people who may inadvertently (rather than purposefully) drive the wrong way, but they are indeed a booby trap and perfectly legal.

Additionally most large urban office building have bollards that deploy from the ground upward that are actuated automatically or remotely. These are 'booby traps' and of course are perfectly legal. Washington DC has many embedded in the roadway. In fact the DC police are known to crash into them and then shoot people.

I bet the guy will put up some posts, or big rocks or something. The artfully concealed spikes certainly must have been cathartic, but they did expose him to significant liability.
 
2014-07-20 01:55:01 PM  
A cop once told me to do exactly this. I chose not to because I thought he was farking crazy.
 
2014-07-20 01:56:56 PM  

feckingmorons: Gary-L: It has nothing to do with the lawyers in the United States.  It is part of the common law that a private property owner has a Duty of Care when it comes to trespassers.  A property owner has to take reasonable precautions to secure his real property and must warn trespassers of hazards unless those hazards are not open, obvious, and there is no way the property owner could have known about them.  This is why bobby traps and other means of intentionally and passively inflicting bodily harm to a trespasser are illegal.

I disagree with a couple of things. First the duty of care to trespassers is minimal. Warning sings often suffice. "Danger buried spikes" would solve that in the matter instant. There is an ordinary duty of care, not a special duty. Contrast that with the duty of care owed to licensees, or invitees.

You also assert that booby traps are illegal and I don't believe that is true in all jurisdictions in the US. Unwise, certainly, illegal not necessarily. If you have drive-in movies near you they almost certainly have those tire shredding devices to keep people from driving in the out gate. They are signed to warn people who may inadvertently (rather than purposefully) drive the wrong way, but they are indeed a booby trap and perfectly legal.

Additionally most large urban office building have bollards that deploy from the ground upward that are actuated automatically or remotely. These are 'booby traps' and of course are perfectly legal. Washington DC has many embedded in the roadway. In fact the DC police are known to crash into them and then shoot people.

I bet the guy will put up some posts, or big rocks or something. The artfully concealed spikes certainly must have been cathartic, but they did expose him to significant liability.


Disagree with me all you want.  Perhaps you'd like to inform my Real Property law professor, as well as the book publisher, that booby traps are inherently legal in "some" jurisdictions ((eyeroll)

As for your statement about signs....((eyeroll)


Internet law experts make me cringe.
 
2014-07-20 01:57:15 PM  

Giltric: Booby traps are illegal because some politician or cops son was probably injured while tryin to commit a rape or burglary.


More truth in that than one might at first suspect.
 
2014-07-20 01:57:43 PM  

Gary-L: It has nothing to do with the lawyers in the United States.


The vast majority of our problems are directly attributable to having too many lawyers in the US.
 
2014-07-20 02:04:12 PM  

lackadaisicalfreakshow: jankyboy: Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa

Your grandpa was not a great man. He was a busybody that tried to kill/wound dogs in what sounds like a city-owned public lot.


World War II veteran and received a Purple Heart. Died with a piece of a German grenade still in his leg after all those years. Yeah, probably could have handled the dogs better.

You can eat a dick.
 
2014-07-20 02:08:39 PM  

jankyboy: lackadaisicalfreakshow: jankyboy: Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa

Your grandpa was not a great man. He was a busybody that tried to kill/wound dogs in what sounds like a city-owned public lot.

World War II veteran and received a Purple Heart. Died with a piece of a German grenade still in his leg after all those years. Yeah, probably could have handled the dogs better.

You can eat a dick.


Your grandfather serving in a war does not excuse him or absolve him of any animal abuse he committed.
 
2014-07-20 02:09:33 PM  

feckingmorons: Gary-L: It has nothing to do with the lawyers in the United States.

The vast majority of our problems are directly attributable to having too many lawyers in the US.


[Citation Needed]
 
2014-07-20 02:12:45 PM  

Gary-L: Disagree with me all you want.  Perhaps you'd like to inform my Real Property law professor, as well as the book publisher, that booby traps are inherently legal in "some" jurisdictions ((eyeroll)As for your statement about signs....((eyeroll)Internet law experts make me cringe.


I'm sure your law professors are great folks,wise men, and absolute sages in Real Property law. However when I graduated from law school a decade and a half ago and after passing the bar we were thrust into something called reality.

You're arguing the definition of booby traps, obviously didn't watch the video linked to in the headline or you wouldn't have insisted they are always under very circumstance illegal. The police in the town consulted with the city attorney who has drafted an ordinance to make booby traps such as the ones in the story illegal.

Simple logic will show you that if the town is enacting a law against booby traps then booby traps must presently be legal. You can roll your eyes all you want, but you're wrong.

Let me know how things go in Court when you say "But my professor and the book said...."
What exactly do you mean by "inherently" legal, I'm not sure you understand what you're saying. Are you saying there illegal per se, or are you arguing that they are illegal by law, ordinance, or statute? A board, or nails, or a board with nails are not inherently dangerous, in fact I'm sure your house has many of them. A Claymore mine is inherently dangerous.

For someone that cringes at Internet legal experts you do a poor job of rebuttal.
 
2014-07-20 02:14:33 PM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.


Not always. The right of way for a road can end right at the pavement if it is old enough, although most roads have at least 10'-20' from the EOP that the state owns. OTOH, I've seen property deeds where the land is owned by the private citizen right to the middle of the pavement. The state of course claimed ownership of the paved area due to historic maintenance and use, but when we had a project with one of those deeds the R/W negotiator paid for the property right to the middle of the road.

/agree one solution is a row of big rocks
//then the town may claim they are a hazard and make him move them from the edge of pavement
 
2014-07-20 02:21:29 PM  

feckingmorons: Gary-L: Disagree with me all you want.  Perhaps you'd like to inform my Real Property law professor, as well as the book publisher, that booby traps are inherently legal in "some" jurisdictions ((eyeroll)As for your statement about signs....((eyeroll)Internet law experts make me cringe.

I'm sure your law professors are great folks,wise men, and absolute sages in Real Property law. However when I graduated from law school a decade and a half ago and after passing the bar we were thrust into something called reality.

You're arguing the definition of booby traps, obviously didn't watch the video linked to in the headline or you wouldn't have insisted they are always under very circumstance illegal. The police in the town consulted with the city attorney who has drafted an ordinance to make booby traps such as the ones in the story illegal.

Simple logic will show you that if the town is enacting a law against booby traps then booby traps must presently be legal. You can roll your eyes all you want, but you're wrong.

Let me know how things go in Court when you say "But my professor and the book said...."
What exactly do you mean by "inherently" legal, I'm not sure you understand what you're saying. Are you saying there illegal per se, or are you arguing that they are illegal by law, ordinance, or statute? A board, or nails, or a board with nails are not inherently dangerous, in fact I'm sure your house has many of them. A Claymore mine is inherently dangerous.

For someone that cringes at Internet legal experts you do a poor job of rebuttal.


Did you take the Mexican bar?
 
2014-07-20 02:24:06 PM  

Maggie_Luna: Your grandfather serving in a war does not excuse him or absolve him of any animal abuse he committed.


A possible thumbtack in the paw is animal abuse? I bet you're one of those people who puts the dog on a 3-foot leash and keeps pulling the dog in, in case it smells something offensive or gets its little feet dirty.
 
2014-07-20 02:41:43 PM  

GoldDude: The "hidden" part is where he went wrong.  You need to put up some decorative edging fence like this
[thumbs1.ebaystatic.com image 225x123]
Then add the tire-puncturing spikes immediately behind it.
I had an a$$hole Jeep driver who was driving down my street during winter nights intentionally running into snow piles at the edge of driveways to scatter the piles in front of the driveways.  I wet down my snow pile during the day and let it freeze into a block of ice then threw a couple more shovel-fuls of powdery snow on top.  He hit it pretty hard and I imagine that Jeep probably needed an alignment job after that.  And he seemed to get the message, as there were no repeats of the behavior.


Yes, I was just going to suggest this or something similar. Putting up a decorative fence near the corner would work to deter drivers from cutting the corner into his yard, and would not require booby traps. If he is having problems with  pranksters deliberately tearing up his yard, then putting up a brick or concrete garden wall (while more expensive) would put a stop to that nonsense, while improving the look of the property.
 
2014-07-20 02:42:12 PM  
Should have run a cable a foot off the ground. No way that's a booby trap. It's a fence.
 
2014-07-20 02:53:42 PM  

Smackledorfer: I had no idea you were such a black and white authoritarian. Odd for someone I recall being anti-cop.


I am not anti-cop. i'm anti-BAD-cop. And the fact you think I'm against all cops speaks volumes.

And yes, there are plenty of forms of innocent trespass.

Trespass
noun
noun: trespass; plural noun: trespasses

1.
Law
entry to a person's land or property without their permission.


If you are on their land, without their permission, you are trespassing.

in·no·cent
ˈinəsənt/
adjective
adjective: innocent

1.
not guilty of a crime or offense.


if you are innocent, you are not guilty of a crime.

If you are an "innocent trespasser", then you are both on someones land without permission, AND innocent of beig on someones land without permission. An obvious logical impossibility.

Most forms of trespass do meet the bar of criminal behavior

I assume you mean "do not". Nice slip there. :-)

But driving over and ruining someones law DOES.

, and even a tort, while allowed, would not be successful without showing damages.

Like having to fix a lawn?

The person driving across his lawn may not even be at the level of causing damage.

Then he would never know they drove across it. However, he obviously DOES know they did, so they left some sort of damage he could see.

The person who jumps onto his lawn when someone runs him off the road while taking a nighttime walk certainly doesn't warrant spikes going into his feet.

That scenario is unlikely. And, quite frankly, I'd consider it the fault of the driver who almost hit the person (if they weren't paying attention), and/or the person who was walking (if they were not wearing visible colors). I mean, other people are advocating placing rocks, or a fence along the road. If your hypothetical pedestrian had to jump off the road due to a driver, and twisted their ankle on a rock, would you also blame the land owner? What if the rock was natural, not placed there by the land owner?
 
2014-07-20 02:59:36 PM  

Gary-L: feckingmorons: Gary-L: Disagree with me all you want.  Perhaps you'd like to inform my Real Property law professor, as well as the book publisher, that booby traps are inherently legal in "some" jurisdictions ((eyeroll)As for your statement about signs....((eyeroll)Internet law experts make me cringe.

I'm sure your law professors are great folks,wise men, and absolute sages in Real Property law. However when I graduated from law school a decade and a half ago and after passing the bar we were thrust into something called reality.

You're arguing the definition of booby traps, obviously didn't watch the video linked to in the headline or you wouldn't have insisted they are always under very circumstance illegal. The police in the town consulted with the city attorney who has drafted an ordinance to make booby traps such as the ones in the story illegal.

Simple logic will show you that if the town is enacting a law against booby traps then booby traps must presently be legal. You can roll your eyes all you want, but you're wrong.

Let me know how things go in Court when you say "But my professor and the book said...."
What exactly do you mean by "inherently" legal, I'm not sure you understand what you're saying. Are you saying there illegal per se, or are you arguing that they are illegal by law, ordinance, or statute? A board, or nails, or a board with nails are not inherently dangerous, in fact I'm sure your house has many of them. A Claymore mine is inherently dangerous.

For someone that cringes at Internet legal experts you do a poor job of rebuttal.

Did you take the Mexican bar?


I've been to Mexican bars.
 
2014-07-20 02:59:44 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


Um self defense especially for your own home is a right
 
2014-07-20 03:07:39 PM  
He should put railroad ties there instead.
 
2014-07-20 03:10:32 PM  
My brother-in-law had a problem with people breaking into his vacation cabin, trashing it, and stealing anything that wasn't nailed down. The first couple times it happened he just fixed the cabin back up and bought new stuff and a stronger lock.

After it happened a few times he got pissed. He baked a batch of cookies with generous quantities of rat poison mixed in and left them in a cookie jar in the cabin. His cabin was broken into again and the cookies were stolen or eaten. They never came back.
 
2014-07-20 03:25:14 PM  
I know I've posted this one before, but here it comes again.

My ex was one of those 'if I can't have you, no one else can either' types, so when I moved, I made sure not to be followed.  It lasted about 3 or 4 years, but he finally found my new home. Since it was on a dead end, he would drive off the road, into my yard, and trench it up really well.  Gwinnett county cop told me to go buy some azalea bushes, and lots of heavy duty spikes to prop them up with.  And since I was a blonde, no one would question some ditz who didn't have enough sense to put the pointy ends into the dirt.  He came back only one more time.  Several years later we heard that he had to have a tow truck in the middle of the night because he ended up with 3 flat tires, and his new wife was not happy when she saw the credit card bill.
 
2014-07-20 03:43:37 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.

Um self defense especially for your own home is a right


I'm not sure how self defense would apply here considering the people tearing up his lawn aren't threatening his life.
 
2014-07-20 03:46:01 PM  

fredklein: I am not anti-cop. i'm anti-BAD-cop. And the fact you think I'm against all cops speaks volumes.


Nah, it speaks to your frequent inaccuracy.
 
2014-07-20 03:49:47 PM  

cryinoutloud: Maggie_Luna: Your grandfather serving in a war does not excuse him or absolve him of any animal abuse he committed.

A possible thumbtack in the paw is animal abuse? I bet you're one of those people who puts the dog on a 3-foot leash and keeps pulling the dog in, in case it smells something offensive or gets its little feet dirty.


One: Way to extrapolate and create a farcical fantastical scenario based on my comment.

Two: If you do think hurting a dog is bad then clearly sociopathy runs in your family.

Three: No, I only pull dogs for their safety, health reasons (no garbage, fecal matter or decayed items that they may eat), or if we actually need to move on after five minutes of sniffing the same spot.
 
2014-07-20 03:53:57 PM  
My neighbor had a problem with the neighborhood kids always running over his mailbox with their truck. After many times he used a buried I-beam as the post and surrounded it with wood boards so you couldn't tell. Next time he found pieces of bumper and headlight around his mailbox. Never happened again.
 
2014-07-20 04:42:35 PM  

MutantMotherMouse: My parents had a similar problem with folks curbing their lawn. Dad installed 4-ft iron rods marked w/ red reflective paint along the area. Problem solved.


Where I grew up, the usual practice involved large boulders (say 3'x3'x10') placed in front of houses/yards near gradual curves or just after a hill (on 25mph residential roads, natch).  There was at least one case of a car hitting a curb, flying 80' (no witnesses, but presumably hit the curb way back where it was perpendicular), shearing a telephone pole, and winding up on *top* of the pole.

The phone/power/cable company reinforced the pole, making sure the next joker would die.

/mowed the lawn where the phone pole was hit.
//there was another case of someone driving up (and down?!) the guy wire for that pole, but nowhere near as fast (probably was well under the speed limit when he started up it).
 
2014-07-20 05:08:32 PM  
I thought this was a booby thread?
 
2014-07-20 06:09:50 PM  

KeeptheChief: I thought this was a booby thread?


cdn.rsvlts.com
 
2014-07-20 07:10:01 PM  
forevergreenlandscapingmt.com
 
2014-07-20 07:23:22 PM  
I booby-trapped my mom's yard years ago, because people would try to U-turn in her street and end up running across her yard. The trap consisted of a 450 lb native stone set near the sidewalk. Sure enough, within 3 weeks, some moron high-centered his dress-up truck on the rock.
 
2014-07-20 07:57:59 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.

Um self defense especially for your own home is a right


Self defense is only for humans, not for property. Much lower standard, You can replace a lawn you can't replace a self.
 
2014-07-20 09:20:36 PM  

MountainClimber: [forevergreenlandscapingmt.com image 850x637]


Now there's a "!!! DON'T CUT" if there ever was one.

http://youtu.be/qmGXbThlegI?t=7m34s
 
2014-07-20 10:04:25 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Stay off his lawn.  He's serious.


Came here for this.

/not leaving dissapointed
 
2014-07-20 11:54:55 PM  

LoneWolf343: Oh, look, it's that thread where a bunch of tiny-dicked rageaholics justify attempted murder in retribution for vandalism again.


Justify? meh. Rageaholic? Man, if I saw a vandal impale himself on a nailstrip, I would stand over him jerking off till the police arrived.
 
2014-07-21 12:22:33 AM  
How is this not top comment? www.spartzinc.com
 
2014-07-21 10:08:51 AM  

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: Gary-L: CBob: Set guns and mines are booby traps. This, not so much.Now if he had done the "tire damage" sign & painted them white, he'd be pretty much in the clear. Visible deterrents work a little better.
/btw, 1/2 buried cinder blocks set in the ground also work. however, after they get hit be sure to place them back quickly or they will get stolen.//why no, I don't mind if you turn your car & camper around in our grass. why should you drive a whole 1/4 mile further to where there's a nice wide side street.
The law is clear.  His method is a hidden means that can cause harm to an innocent trespasser and is therefore illegal.
[www.roadshark.com image 500x375]
The law is not really clear as many places use tire deflators on road ways.


The difference is concealment, notification, and reasonable expectation.  You can reasonably expect that a paid parking area would protect itself from illegal use of their service.  It is not a reasonable expectation to encounter the same thing with a publlic roadway.
 
2014-07-21 10:56:45 AM  
He needs a better bobby trap, that will hurt cars but not people.  Dig a 12" deep, by 2' wide ditch, by 16' in length.  Put hay over it.  Put sign up.  "Physical speed enforcement, employed on this lawn."  Pop popcorn. Wait.
 
2014-07-21 12:07:54 PM  
or you know he could build a fence at the edge of his  property.
 
2014-07-21 01:30:37 PM  
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