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(KMOV St. Louis)   A homeowner tired of pranksters driving on to his lawn decides to lay a trap consisting of a board with nails hammered through it buried along the street and painted black to make it harder to see. And of course someone has a problem with this   (kmov.com) divider line 143
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2014-07-20 12:16:41 AM  
Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.
 
2014-07-20 12:47:23 AM  

feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.


Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.
 
2014-07-20 01:20:40 AM  
Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."
 
2014-07-20 01:38:26 AM  

Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."


I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.
 
2014-07-20 02:05:23 AM  
I used to rent a house on a dead end dirt road in a part of Arizona that was at the time having a lot of border issues. At that time I'd see dozens of illegal immigrants every day, I'd see vans and trucks come to an abrupt stop on the highway, 20 people would pile in, and they'd drive off like nothing ever happened, blink and you'd miss it. It was normal, and in my heart I wished them a safe journey. It was just what was going on at the time (thanks Bush?)

Anyway, a couple times a van or truck packed with people or bundles of weed would be chased down our road by Border Patrol and deputies. And they wouldn't stop, they'd just tear straight through the fence at the end, into my neighbor's pasture and kept going until they crashed or found pavement again. It freed his horses and cattle every time. So he put up dead end signs in English and Spanish, probably two dozen reflectors. And then he built a huge dirt berm just on his side of the fence and set in concrete a bunch of angled chunks of railroad track to catch any vehicle unfortunate enough to take the ramp. I don't know if he ever impaled anyone, I moved shortly after. He wasn't a pleasant man.
 
2014-07-20 02:08:13 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


I never said he could. But I will say this - it's akin to an electric fence that isn't properly marked.
 
2014-07-20 02:13:58 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.


I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.
 
2014-07-20 02:21:19 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


Well I'm not so sure I'd go that broadly. He could dig a two foot deep, two foot wide ditch sort of a big |_| that would catch the wheels of people driving on his lawn. It isn't a real danger to anyone, but it is a booby trap.

Personally I'd put up cameras and sue the owners of the vehicles and nail their asses to the wall in civil court. In many jurisdictions, and from a cursory reading of Missouri's 'trespass to realty' statute they can get 3X actual damages.

When my brother owned a laundromat kids used to break into the change machine. He put in security cameras, identified the kid and sued him and his parents. He won. They didn't want to pay. He had the kid's car towed by the sheriff. Then they paid, but they called him all sorts of names. The kid is now in prison for something completely unrelated.
 
2014-07-20 02:32:55 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.


s.hswstatic.com

Won't be set off by anything lighter than a vehicle. Problem solved.
 
2014-07-20 06:57:18 AM  
This guy needs to meet up with Repairman Jack.
 
2014-07-20 07:42:12 AM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.


Any deterrent that is open and apparent or has sufficient warnings, within reason ("Warning: Land Mines" probably still won't cut it), is going to be okay in the US. I see broken glass on tops of privacy walls all over the French Quarter. Hidden traps and hazards placed by the homeowner that cause unreasonable injuries will probably make the homeowner liable.
 
2014-07-20 07:42:44 AM  
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2014-07-20 07:45:15 AM  

fusillade762: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.



Won't be set off by anything lighter than a vehicle. Problem solved.


Hey, leave your mother out of this. She's a classy lady.
 
2014-07-20 07:51:07 AM  

fusillade762: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

[s.hswstatic.com image 400x300]

Won't be set off by anything lighter than a vehicle. Problem solved.


Many Americans weigh as much as a vehicle.
 
2014-07-20 07:51:30 AM  
There is no part of the U.S. where this isn't settled law.
Booby traps are illegal, and civilly actionable.
Don't make yourselves look stupid by arguing about it.
 
2014-07-20 07:52:06 AM  
Maybe the homeowner can get a few of those Russian missiles that are normally used to shoot down commerical airliners.
 
2014-07-20 07:53:11 AM  

Nabb1: feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.

Any deterrent that is open and apparent or has sufficient warnings, within reason ("Warning: Land Mines" probably still won't cut it), is going to be okay in the US. I see broken glass on tops of privacy walls all over the French Quarter. Hidden traps and hazards placed by the homeowner that cause unreasonable injuries will probably make the homeowner liable.


So all he needs is a tire damage warning sign and he's good to go.  Works for me, because then they can't say they weren't warned.
 
2014-07-20 07:56:38 AM  

MBrady: Maybe the homeowner can get a few of those Russian missiles that are normally used to shoot down commerical airliners.


You're talking about surface-to-air missiles, likely won't work here, but the Dukes of Hazzard should be getting a little nervous.

/My eleven yro self just had a fun image, thinking of the general lee getting shot out of the sky.
 
2014-07-20 07:58:16 AM  
Step 1. Buy a huge, several ton boulder from the local quarry.
Step 2. Place it wherever people are always driving over your lawn.

Problem solved.  Call it a decoration, plant flowers around it.  Of course you'll then have to deal with kids spray painting it, but your original problem is solved.
 
2014-07-20 08:02:36 AM  
Reminds me of a story I heard, probably apocryphal, about a guy whose VCR was stolen from his house. When he replaced it, the replacement was stolen. So he bought a broken VCR from a repair shop, put in a few ounces of plastique, shoved the AC leads into the explosive, and let them steal that one. They didn't come back.

/The story does not say where he got the plastique.
//paging Chris Rock...
 
2014-07-20 08:02:49 AM  
Technically, most property lines don't meet the road. There's usually an easement. The municipality would have some rights in terms of what one can do with it.

If he put some decorative armor stones on the problem area, people wouldn't cut the curve so short. I doubt it's "pranksters".
 
2014-07-20 08:05:37 AM  
I have all of my widow sills equipped with boards that have nails sticking out of them. They're all covered with doilies.

My hope is that anyone who breaks in here will wind up with some nasty puncture wounds from when they climbed in.

How's that for a booby trap?
 
2014-07-20 08:05:48 AM  
What year did this happen, was this after the invention of the fence?
 
2014-07-20 08:07:25 AM  
Just get some landscaping rocks about a foot in diameter and put them along the edge. If someone tries to drive over them they will have a bad time.
 
2014-07-20 08:09:22 AM  
I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.
 
2014-07-20 08:11:01 AM  
www.chud.com

/Approves
 
2014-07-20 08:19:13 AM  

BenJammin: What year did this happen, was this after the invention of the fence?


Many localities will not allow a person to build a fence along the front edge of your property. At least not a privacy fence. Doubt I could build any fence where I live.
 
2014-07-20 08:21:53 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.


Mine doesn't. But then I also have a share of the road, which is private.

/only Sith speak in absolutes. Are you Sith?
//which would have made Kenobi a Sith
 
2014-07-20 08:24:28 AM  

Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."


Everything is a prank. Just like everything anyone builds is a hack, every picture is a selfie etc...
 
2014-07-20 08:28:16 AM  
I knew a man with a "gentleman's farm" just outside of Martinsburg WV who did something very similar when a well known, local hooligan drove around his corn field just before harvest. He made tire sized "caltrops" out of 16 penny nails and rebar and planted them just inside the gate to his fields. No warning signs other that the no trespassing signs on the gate. Sounds like it was fortunate for him the kid never came back.
 
2014-07-20 08:29:14 AM  
"However, city officials were unsure if existing ordinances allowed them to ban booby traps."

Ha ha ha.... Need i say more?
 
2014-07-20 08:29:33 AM  
Reminds me of when my grandfather used to toss thumbtacks onto a stretch of grass that was adjacent to his house. The grassy section did not belong to him, but he took care of it since the town ignored it.

He got tired of neighbors treating it like a dog park, walking their dogs there and not cleaning up afterward. Sucks that it was the dogs who paid the price.

/he was a grumpy man; he was a great man
//RIP grandpa
 
2014-07-20 08:29:49 AM  

BenJammin: What year did this happen, was this after the invention of the fence?


Maybe teens driving across his lawn is his only problem, and paying a large chunk of money to stop a possible temporary problem may be too much.  When addressing problems, sometimes the simplest, cheapest solution is the first thing you should try.  You don't replace the engine every time the car won't start, do you?
 
2014-07-20 08:29:50 AM  

MisterSocksFox: Reminds me of a story I heard, probably apocryphal, about a guy whose VCR was stolen from his house. When he replaced it, the replacement was stolen. So he bought a broken VCR from a repair shop, put in a few ounces of plastique, shoved the AC leads into the explosive, and let them steal that one. They didn't come back.

/The story does not say where he got the plastique.
//paging Chris Rock...


Apocryphal. Semtex and C-4 need a primary explosive to detonate. Electricity won't do it.

/where's the kaboom?
 
2014-07-20 08:32:01 AM  
Well he sure did install it a loooooonnnnng ways from the road.
 
2014-07-20 08:33:03 AM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: I'm sure Mr. Greenjeans violated the Easement.  Your property ends several feet before the roadway.


Know how I know you don't understand how easements work?

Access rights don't equal ownership. You still own it and are responsible for maintaining it. I'm sure the city of Pevely would have no problem coming out and repairing/re-sodding the damage at their expense every time, right?

Go ahead and call your city and tell them you want them to maintain the lawn on the easement, see how well that works out.
 
2014-07-20 08:38:52 AM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.


It has nothing to do with the lawyers in the United States.  It is part of the common law that a private property owner has a Duty of Care when it comes to trespassers.  A property owner has to take reasonable precautions to secure his real property and must warn trespassers of hazards unless those hazards are not open, obvious, and there is no way the property owner could have known about them.  This is why bobby traps and other means of intentionally and passively inflicting bodily harm to a trespasser are illegal.
 
2014-07-20 08:42:10 AM  
Sounds like he should do some creative landscaping with some decrotive boulders maybe a mailbox on a steel post anchored by concrete. Hell he could put a few dips in his yard and that could fark up the bottom of the prnaksters cars.
 
2014-07-20 08:43:14 AM  
Someone up thread said it as we'll....why not just get a camera?  Prosecution would be far more satisfying than a little car damage I would think.
 
2014-07-20 08:43:35 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


Cue the puzzled dog.
If people wouldn't use vehicles to vandalize the guy's lawn, they wouldn't even know or care about the nails.  The guys driving into other people's yard uninvited are the ones endangering people.
 
2014-07-20 08:49:05 AM  
My parents had a similar problem with folks curbing their lawn. Dad installed 4-ft iron rods marked w/ red reflective paint along the area. Problem solved.
 
2014-07-20 08:49:46 AM  
He should just shoot any pranksters on his lawn. I mean, that's allowed in America, right?
 
2014-07-20 08:52:09 AM  
My neighbor did this back in the 70s, with big nails and a big plank.  He caused suspension damage to the teen's mom's car who were repeatedly destroying his front lawn in a misguided attempt to woo his daughter.  Everyone was amused.  Apparently the police told him "don't do it again."
 
2014-07-20 08:59:05 AM  
In America, a board with nails = bad. Come outside and shoot the kids = quite possibly OK.
 
2014-07-20 08:59:15 AM  

MutantMotherMouse: My parents had a similar problem with folks curbing their lawn. Dad installed 4-ft iron rods marked w/ red reflective paint along the area. Problem solved.


I like that solution. For good measure, mount reflectors on top of the poles and call them guides for snowplowing (assuming snowy winters there).
 
2014-07-20 09:04:16 AM  
At first I was like "yeah home-owner" and then I saw the video and now I'm like "f*ck you homeowner"

The part of the yard he booby-trapped was right next the road w/o a curb where a normal person would expect the occasional incursion of traffic, I know I do.

As for the city, his booby trap was clearly in the roads right-away there probably a few existing ordinance you could fine him under.
 
2014-07-20 09:09:57 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."

I agree, but that doesn't mean the homeowner can endanger others by booby trapping his property.


It's called the "right of self-defense." It's legit. Nations use it all the time.
 
2014-07-20 09:11:24 AM  

feckingmorons: Bathia_Mapes: feckingmorons: Journalism is in the toilet.

How was he fined if the city doesn't have the proper ordinance yet. Did that not occur to anyone when they were making this 'news' story.

Idiots.

Perhaps they fined him under an existing city ordinance.

At any rate I do understand this man's frustration, but he was opening himself for a lawsuit. What if someone minding their own business was walking by & stumbled and fell onto the concealed board and was badly injured? What if a child riding by on his bike hit a rock and was thrown from his bike onto the board? I'm sure he wouldn't want either of those scenarios to happen, but they easily could.

I don't disagree that it is unwise, but if they fined him under an existing ordinance why do they need a new one. The article lacks important details.

In Mexico lots of people top their garden walls with broken glass, pieces of broken bottles mostly. It sure does deter people from climbing their walls. In Mexico it is not illegal, and they have fewer lawyers. Here that would never fly.


Glass topped walls are, or at least were when I was a kid, in El Paso
 
2014-07-20 09:12:15 AM  

Triumph: Tearing up someone's lawn with your truck is not a "prank."


True but maybe the guy is an asshole and deserves to get his lawn torn up by a truck.  I'd like to hear both sides of this issue.
 
2014-07-20 09:16:15 AM  

lack of warmth: So all he needs is a tire damage warning sign and he's good to go. Works for me, because then they can't say they weren't warned.


Yeah, but the trick is to put the sign up first, and leave it up for a few months without putting the trap in. After the drivers "figure out" that the sign is "meaningless" and go back to doing what they were doing with impunity, only THEN do you put the boards with nails in. This way you get the asshats.

/like the idea of digging the trench better.
 
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